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				<title>Belt</title>
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						<p>"But it's scary bigots-a-go-go over at Kiwiblog. Check this out for a comment:"</p><p>Ok, enough now Russ.  Picking on Kiwiblog comments is like beating a baby &ndash; it's sickening and it takes no skill.</p><p>No more of that, ok?</p><p>Pete</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I once met a chap who had worked for GCHQ in the UK. When I pulled his leg about the bumbling image of spies in recent times, he looked at me archly and said: "That's what we want you to think."</p></blockquote><p>They want you to think that they're just pretending…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Now I have to disagree &ndash; I am so utterly sick of being told a franchise of a multi-national corporation (the IRB) represents us and I owe it my loyalty I would happily burn ten thousand All Black flags.</p></blockquote><p>Or at least cut out or tape over the MasterCard bit?…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:41:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>Weston:</p><blockquote><p>Whether or not New Zealand's laws against flag burning are a good idea, some people are really upset by the desecration of the flag.</p></blockquote><p>There's no right not to be offended in a liberal society.  But if there was, I'd be gunning for Peter Dunne's hair.</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						Whether or not New Zealand's laws against flag burning are a good idea, some people are really upset by the desecration of the flag.  It is a superficial and imprecise form of political speech that relies heavily on offensiveness and symbolism for its effect.  Many people (such as Andrew Smith)…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...just saw tv one quote that bigot quote ("New Zealand will regret this decision be letting this parasite into our country...") in today's post. </p><p>During the report, the quote which was onscreen. Next to that they had a graphic of the website it was from. Since they had found the…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Idiots.</p></blockquote><p>They're not mine!</p><p>But yes, it's a bit rude implying the views belonged to the bloggers rather than freaks in the comments.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:07:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						Hey, at least you know they're reading you...
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>During the report, the quote which was onscreen. Next to that they had a graphic of the website it was from. Since they had found the quote from your blog, they had a nice graphic of your webblog associated with that lovely quote mentioned above.</p></blockquote><p>Idiots.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Reid</title>
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						Indded the "parsite" quote with Public Address banner in the background. Sorry for the bad press...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:16:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzMM</title>
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						<p>just saw tv one quote that bigot quote ("New Zealand will regret this decision be letting this parasite into our country...") in today's post.  </p><p>During the report, the quote which was onscreen.  Next to that they had a graphic of the website it was from.  Since they had found the…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Getting married in 8 days, and drunk? What a catch. Meanwhile, I'm not worried about flags being burned. Like Joanna, I think it says a great deal about our democracy, that freedom of speech/action means exactly that.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sorry to anyone I have offendered my fiaqncee wants my guts for garters...I'm getting marrioed in 8 days an my response has been a little uncouth...sorry Russell</p></blockquote><p>No worries. Sorry fixes most things. And calling Kowhai "Monty" <em>was</em> kinda cute.</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p><em>FWIW, I've only met two people who worked for the SIS. They obviously didn't say much about their work, but they were both hellishly bright.</em></p><blockquote><p>There was a time when people claimed to read Penthouse for the articles they published. Maybe some of them were telling the truth.</p></blockquote><p>Or indeed…</p>
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				<title>Richie McGrath</title>
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						Sorry to anyone I have offendered my fiaqncee wants my guts for garters...I'm getting marrioed in 8 days an my response has been a little uncouth...sorry Russell
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Only to people who know nothing about the BORA or politically refuse to accept it.</p></blockquote><p>The case is controversial because the interpretation of s.11 used by the Court was plainly wrong, and the Court had to stretch s.4 of the BoR to breaking point to achieve the result that it…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I once met a chap who had worked for GCHQ in the UK. When I pulled his leg about the bumbling image of spies in recent times, he looked at me archly and said: "<em>That's what we want you to think.</em>"</p><p>Mmm.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Ah. Gordon Campbell has <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00240.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">much more detail</a> on Anwar Haddam:</p><blockquote><p>In reality, Anwar Haddam has never hidden the fact that he, Mohammed Said and Abderezzak Redjam were the three FIS leaders who had sought to build a bridge between the FIS and the more militant GIA during the 1993-95 period.…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cheers, Craig. Disrespectful as it is, that's totally brightened my day.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I don't want to come across as someone who'd piss in an open grave but it amazes me that Whakahuihui Vercoe could always get a pass for talking  smack about women, gays and immigrants (at least, the slitty-eyed…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						Well, I do like being called Monty so I might quit the name calling and head off into the weekend.  Yay.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>FWIW, I've only met two people who worked for the SIS. They obviously didn't say much about their work, but they were both hellishly bright.</p></blockquote><p>There was a time when people claimed to read <em>Penthouse</em> for the articles they published. Maybe some of them were telling the truth.</p>
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				<title>Richie McGrath</title>
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						Monty ive been drinking for 20 hours and yes my spelling is affected...nighty nite
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am tempted to agree wholeheartedly, but I assume this forum could be googled in the future!</p></blockquote><p>Back when Muldoon was Prime Minister everyone claimed to have an SIS file. It was sort of fashionable.</p><p>FWIW, I've only met two people who worked for the SIS. They obviously didn't say…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>The notion that "people died under our flag" has been given some consideration in the <a href="http://www.ausflag.com.au/debate/nma/nh010911.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Australian context.</a></p><p>Most Australians to have fought under/died under a flag did so under either the Union flag or the old Australian red ensign.</p><p>The relevant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_flag_debate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wikipedia entry</a> has this to say:</p><blockquote><p>Claims that Australians…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The case you are referring to is Hopkinson v R, and it remains controversial.</p></blockquote><p>Only to people who know nothing about the BORA or politically refuse to accept it.  I found it quite clear: the BORA affirms freedom of expression, the law must be interpreted in a manner consistent with…</p>
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						<p>I'd totally let Ahmed come over for a cup of tea, but if he burnt the serviettes then asked to stay because he had no place else to go, I'd say no. Get out of my house right now..<br />Worst analogy ever??? not yet, let me finish... After grilling him…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						Richie you are a moron, also I thought my spelling was bad.....
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd imagine Mrs Zaoui and the kids would be the last thing on Ahmeds mind actually Russell...not sure exactly what lefty bloomers hitting the deck sounds like but I'm betting there will be a few despite what the Koran says...I can't believe how naive you are!</p><blockquote><p>Could it be that…</p>
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				<title>Richie McGrath</title>
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						I think Deborah's actuially pretty mousey actually...Ahmed's no fool  he'll move on
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I understand your discomfort with it, but the right to burn the flag has been upheld by a New Zealand court as a matter of free expression under the Bill of Rights Act 1990.</p></blockquote><p>The case you are referring to is <em>Hopkinson v R</em>, and it remains controversial.  You might…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd imagine Mrs Zaoui and the kids would be the last thing on Ahmeds mind actually Russell...not sure exactly what lefty bloomers hitting the deck sounds like but I'm betting there will be a few despite what the Koran says...I can't believe how naive you are!</p></blockquote><p>I know I shouldn't…</p>
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				<title>Richie McGrath</title>
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						I'd imagine Mrs Zaoui and the kids would be the last thing on Ahmeds mind actually Russell...not sure exactly what lefty bloomers hitting the deck sounds like but I'm betting there will be a few despite what the Koran says...I can't believe how naive you are!
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Only if the SIS has branched out into enforcing rugby fandom.</p></blockquote><p>That was the Red Squad's job, wasn't it?</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh God, will I get arrested and locked up for saying that?</p></blockquote><p>Only if the SIS has branched out into enforcing rugby fandom.</p>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am so utterly sick of being told a franchise of a multi-national corporation (the IRB) represents us and I owe it my loyalty I would happily burn ten thousand All Black flags.</p></blockquote><p>Michael, can I come to your burning party? I'll bring the marshmallows and weenies.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Anyway, talking abour scary bigots a go-go, Russell, glad to see therespectable face of brown-neck immigrant-bashing is dead.</p></blockquote><p>Cheers, Craig. Disrespectful as it is, that's totally brightened my day.</p>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						<p>Now I have to disagree &ndash; I am so utterly sick of being told a franchise of a multi-national corporation (the IRB) represents us and I owe it my loyalty I would happily burn ten thousand All Black flags. </p><p>Oh God, will I get arrested and locked up for saying…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Their apparent reliance on google and whatever foreign intelligence services choose to tell them deepened my suspicions that the SIS is basically an incompetent organisation in lockstep with people who I don't really like alot, and they use secrecy mainly as a screen for their incompetence.</p></blockquote><p>I am tempted to…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Anyway, talking abour scary bigots a go-go, Russell, glad to see the<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10463503" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">respectable face of brown-neck immigrant-bashing</a> is dead.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...One thing that bothers me about the Herald commentators more generally is their inability to distinguish between the Parliament, the Government, and the Labour Party..."</p><p>It always astonishes me that people who are unable to grasp such simple concepts as the separation of government or how MMP actually works seem…</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Now if it was the All Black flag, then I'd be annoyed.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						The issue for me with the whole sorry Zaoui affair was never about his innocence or guilt, it was about the process used to determine that innocence or guilt. At base, l am afraid I have zero faith in the decision making of our "meat pie and penthouse" SIS. Their…
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						I kinda think that living somewhere where you can burn the flag is a symbol of the country even more so than the actual flag.
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						<p>While it's always tempting to dismiss the DPF comments section as an echo-chamber for the disaffected, I fear the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&amp;objectid=10463342&amp;pnum=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Herald's comment section</a> is little better. </p><p>One idea being given some play in both fora is that it is all part of a plot to get Helen Clark into the UN…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As Charles says, for goodness sake, he happened to be somewhere near where somebody else burned a flag. What was he supposed to do? Sprint through the crowd and tackle the perpetrator?</p></blockquote><p>And if he had, no doubt people would be claiming that such an act of violence "proved" he…</p>
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				<title>Leopold</title>
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						<p>Speaking as one over 50, I am not at all exercised about the burning of our flag &ndash; the design of which should have been replaced by something better yonks ago (silver fern anyone?)<br />We are not Americans who seem to worship their flag...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>However, the concerning thing for me was that he just stood by 'unprotestant' as the NZ flag was burnt.</p></blockquote><p>Well of course he was "unprotestant".  He's a Muslim.</p><p>And I agree with Kowhai &ndash; it is difficult to see what your point is here.  In this country, we're free to…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Kowhai. I guess I am of the generation that links our flag to all that we hold dear as a country...it symbolises who we are. I find it difficult, like many people over the age of 50 or 60, to hear of our flag being burnt. So I just wonder…</blockquote>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<p>Well, you expressed yourself clearly that time Andrew.  <br />Standing in the vicinity of a burning NZ flag is not what I would choose to get exercised about but I take your point about the generation gap.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Friday!! Better get back to work and stop talking flags then..
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>We need a new flag anyway. </p><p>sorry, it's Friday.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Gosh, maybe Zaoui was within 100 metres of the burning of a New Zealand flag???
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>I find this interesting from the SIS decision:</p><p>The key finding by the French court is that Mr Zaoui had possessed electronic items that could be used for bombmaking.</p><p>Could be anything &ndash; a digital alarm clock or a stop watch.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Kowhai. I guess I am of the generation that links our flag to all that we hold dear as a country...it symbolises who we are. I find it difficult, like many people over the age of 50 or 60, to hear of our flag being burnt. So I just wonder…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That said, time has moved on, he seems to have distanced himself from his ex-colleagues who had turned nasty. The other odd thing the Herald reports is that Zaoui fears those ex-colleagues. If true that might explain the mystery of his wanting to leave Malaysia.</p></blockquote><p>The on-the-record story about Malaysia…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Her account was that the SIS had never previously asked about those people.</p></blockquote><p>But Zaoui was well aware that it was what ever contacts with people from the GIA that were of concern to the SIS. Not fully disclosing significant contact with that group was hardly going make him look…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>if Zaoui needs more volunteers for his 'sleepy cell' &ndash; I'm there</p></blockquote><p>That would be the Dunlopillo sleepy cell.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						BTW &ndash; Dope refers to the Ethnic Cleansing link.
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						What a dope! Malaysia is a secular country with a Muslim majority. It also has Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs and Jews. Turkey and Indonesia are other secular countries with Muslim majorities. But it does ask the question why did Ahmed Zaoui come to New Zealand? I'm not sure but perhaps…
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						<p>Given the time he arrived, not that long after 9/11, and coming from his particular political background, I don't think the SIS over-reacted initially. But I think they then got blinded by the thought of "Islamic terrorist" and left rational enquiry at the door.</p><p>I'm not telepathic so I don't…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						Andrew, I don't follow you.  What are you saying?
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						btw, if Zaoui needs more volunteers for his 'sleepy cell' &ndash; I'm there. I now realise I've been training all my life for such a mission.
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						I noted an interesting comment from a listener on Leighton Smith this morning (that's 'outed me'...yes I listen to his show sometimes...). He stated that Zaoui was involved in an anti-American demonstration last March. Not so 'bad' in itself, and that he spoke publicly there (also not so 'bad'). However,…
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						<p><em>This one is calling for ethnic clensing...</em></p><p>I'd be more shocked if you linked to a kiwiblog thread that <em>didn't</em> contain a call for genocide.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But it's scary bigots-a-go-go over at Kiwiblog.</p></blockquote><p>You haven't seen the half of it.  <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/09/zaoui_no_longer_a_security_risk.html#comment-339765" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This one</a> is calling for ethnic clensing...</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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