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Kumara Republic

Sun, 08 Jul 2012 17:05:40 +1200

because of the existing industry fighting hard to defend its model

And I've made the first start by refusing to subscribe to SKY(NET). Now if we can convince enough people to do the same...

Sacha

Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:21:47 +1200

right now the Internet is struggling to do the same with TV, despite being the next logical step

.. because of the existing industry fighting hard to defend its model

Kumara Republic

Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:16:55 +1200

There's still hope yet for sports fans.

merc

Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:42:07 +1200

Interesting,
Under proposals announced by Rupert Murdoch News Corporation is to be split into two operations.
One will be focused on newspapers and one on entertainment.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817689

Kumara Republic

Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:55:29 +1200

True but the business model of broadcast TV means that the viewer is no longer the customer, they are the product and advertisers are the client. It’s a mixed up crazy old world we live in, the more mature you are, the less people listen.

TV quickly displaced radio. And…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:19:25 +1200

Maturity brings the ability to ignore the voice that demands you to ‘buy!’

True but the business model of broadcast TV means that the viewer is no longer the customer, they are the product and advertisers are the client. It's a mixed up crazy old world we live in, the…

Myles Thomas

Fri, 06 Jul 2012 08:27:50 +1200

One possible reason they target youth is that youth are more likely to be sucked into buying stuff because they see an ad for it. Maturity brings the ability to ignore the voice that demands you to 'buy!'

chelfyn

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:46:38 +1200

"When, long before Media7 was conceived, I suggested that back-catalogue episodes of Horizon (which remain very popular on the torrents)"

...and there's the answer right there. When broadcast TV fails to meet the needs of the viewers, they find the content elsewhere. The choices of TV programmers are increasingly out…

Graham Dunster

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:40:59 +1200

The latest Save TVNZ7 email has just arrived, with an interesting statistic – their online petition had 36,155 signatures but their Facebook page only has 9,603 thingys (unspecified).

Hebe

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:43:53 +1200

Nicely described, to which I’d only add that it didn’t feel like, you know, one of ours.
Well put Ian and Joe. The sway and rock was insistent here, so much so I thought it was going to be bad for Wellington or Kaikoura. P or S waves or something…

Steve Barnes

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:30:18 +1200

I may get Freeview – but it is uncertain the service is available in the wopwops.

Terrestrial Freeview may be a no-go but if you have a Sky dish all you need is a Freeview satellite box, same satellite (Optus D1).
I too have ditched Sky but they keep sending…

Joe Wylie

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:12:16 +1200

Nicely described, to which I'd only add that it didn't feel like, you know, one of ours.

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 08:52:38 +1200

Felt that in Chch...
ditto, but it went on for a while I thought, with lotsa creaking and slow shifting beforehand and then the visceral kicker which made the house feel like it was adrift and being slowly and jerkily eddied about, the 'aftershock' (11.07pm-ish) I think was based here…

Yamis

Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:27:39 +1200

What the hell! I'm watching the Tour de France on TV now and the commentator has just said he's heard about a 6.5 Earthquake in Wellington and hopes everybody is alright. Talk about the information age.

Kumara Republic

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:56:06 +1200

Kinda depressing that it's my go to station when I can't recall being interested in a single thing it advertises in about a decade. And I'm probably starting to fall into their target age market as well. :(

What about good old Radio NZ?

And that North Island quake was…

Rob Stowell

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:39:41 +1200

Felt that in Chch- long and rumbly but minor, like a truck driving past. And a small aftershock 15-20 mins later. Sounds like it was very deep, and off-shore. Hope Wanganui is ok!
Simon has given a good, measured account of himself there.
It may be measured, but it doesn’t…

Steve Parks

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:26:23 +1200

Alright, more seriously, it was a longish rolling kinda quake. Little to no damage from what I can gather. Mag 7 but really deep. No tsunami danger.

Steve Parks

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:16:25 +1200

It's okay, don't worry. I'm fine.

Yamis

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:04:11 +1200

6.5 Eathquake felt across the North Island. "Heavily felt in Wellington". Everyone OK????? Didn't feel anything in the Auckland west side.

Yamis

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:57:37 +1200

Umm, last few lines a tribute to Radio Sport which does actually run ads for all those things.... all day.

Kinda depressing that it's my go to station when I can't recall being interested in a single thing it advertises in about a decade. And I'm probably starting to fall…

Yamis

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:45:59 +1200

The thing is for Simon who says in one of his post replies In my view, schools that fail their kids through academic under-achievement find it easier to get away with that when there is no media spotlight on them. And showing relative achievement is one way of turning on…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:24:03 +1200

And was there actually anything in the Metro article about Prof Lubienski's research about decile 'gerrymandering'? I suspect not.

Yamis

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:12:14 +1200

And I posted on that thread about the real issue – the unwritten class war that is the education system. Hell, I even suggested to the Metro people about it as possible article material.

apologies for going OT here. Stop reading NOW and scroll down 20cm's to next post. Started…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:00:20 +1200

Agree with him or not, I think Simon has given a good, measured account of himself there.

Could it be possible that he learned something from Robyn Langwell’s career suicidal defense of that indefensible N&S cover story?

It may be measured, but it doesn’t really pass the logic test. At all.…

Russell Brown

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 20:05:29 +1200

It may be measured, but it doesn’t really pass the logic test. At all.

Fair enough. But rather than spazzing out about evil bloggers, in the time-honoured MSM style, he turned up and put his case.

Will de Cleene

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:51:07 +1200

Speaking of classic Media 7 humour, who can forget Simon Pound's How to Do an OIA. Informative yet pants-wettingly funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z62Sw-lYqM

Danielle

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 19:35:02 +1200

Simon has given a good, measured account of himself there

It may be measured, but it doesn't really pass the logic test. At all.

Kumara Republic

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:41:20 +1200

There’s a mighty gap developing.

And if it gets too wide, well... do the math.

Sacha

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:33:21 +1200

There's a mighty gap developing

verily

Sacha

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:33:01 +1200

face-to-face

that will evolve new forms

Kumara Republic

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:17:33 +1200

Agree with him or not, I think Simon has given a good, measured account of himself there. I’m glad it hasn’t turned nasty.

And I posted on that thread about the real issue – the unwritten class war that is the education system. Hell, I even suggested to the Metro…

Russell Brown

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:31:15 +1200

Giovanni’s blog on the Metro article on Auckland schools and league tables etc is attracting an interesting discussion including comments from Metro editor.

Agree with him or not, I think Simon has given a good, measured account of himself there. I'm glad it hasn't turned nasty.

Russell Brown

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:30:11 +1200

Jose has posted the Media7 Greatest Hits reel. See: there is a place for humour in this show!

http://youtu.be/xdtkLM5YsKA

TracyMac

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:21:38 +1200

possibly with many people not being able to afford food, shelter or education they're keen to get those sorted before addressing the horror of seeing a loading icon in Youtube.

I couldn't agree more.We have way more problems in terms of getting adequately fed, sheltered, and healthy kids into school…

Hilary Stace

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:32:43 +1200

This should probably have been attached to an earlier thread (so apologies, though topic still relevant) but Giovanni's blog on the Metro article on Auckland schools and league tables etc is attracting an interesting discussion including comments from Metro editor.

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:40:51 +1200

whether or not a free broadband connection is now a basic requirement and right for all New Zealanders

Well, possibly with many people not being able to afford food, shelter or education they're keen to get those sorted before addressing the horror of seeing a loading icon in Youtube.

(and…

Islander

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 11:03:13 +1200

Thanks izogi!

Russell Brown

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:04:09 +1200

Certainly not “fiscal restraint”, if the taxpayer funding of The GC and NZ’s Got Talent are anything to go by.

But that's how the system works. The key factor is the willingness of a broadcaster to screen the programme.

Those people who insist NZ On Air (budget freeze notwithstanding) can…

Danielle

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:03:28 +1200

And to be not entirely facetious, who watches the endless hours of domestic and imported cooking and property unreality porn clogging prime televisual real estate? Who busts a collective gasket if they’re not getting fed mega-doses of Corrie Street?

You're describing me! Dear lord.

Kumara Republic

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:59:22 +1200

It seems that a large part of the problem is that the people* in control, and those who will be consulted (newspaper journalists, owners of spectrum, advertising companies, party funders etc) are either not really that convinced of the need for public broadcasting in times of a budget deficit, or…

Rob Stowell

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:53:42 +1200

Bill English himself is on the record as considering the move to putting all interactions online or via under-staffed call centres an “efficiency gain”
Apposite article in Werewolf- "Efficiency is not your friend"
When they say ‘efficiency’ that’s when you should reach for your revolver
By Gordon Campbell
Before it…

izogi

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:48:51 +1200

I've just ditched Sky ..... I may get Freeview – but it is uncertain the service is available in the wopwops.

You should be able to get it from anywhere in New Zealand using a left-over Sky satellite dish, but you'll need a Freeview-compatible set-top box to translate the signal.…

Tom Semmens

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:49:51 +1200

The webcaster model has flaws, that being that one pretty much needs to exclude people without computers or broadband

This government has basically adandoned bothering even to pretend it provides a decent face-to-face service for its citizens anymore. Bill English himself is on the record as considering the move to…

merc

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:39:15 +1200

Pollen-tics and the media be-hive (sorry Ian),
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3250543

Tom Semmens

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:29:02 +1200

Talk radio is deluged with ads for stupid magnetic mattresses and bee products

Sports talk radio appears to think it's target demographic profile is a rather sad man in his fifties who sneaks off to to strip clubs and there discovers he can no longer crack a chubby without magical…

Ben Austin

Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:52:53 +1200

Simon Bennett

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:39:51 +1200

And I posted the above as a viewer and a parent, rather than as a practitioner.

Simon Bennett

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:33:47 +1200

I will miss TV that treated me as a citizen rather than a consumer. That challenged and stimulated my thinking as well as entertained me. That dealt with issues in more than sound-bite superficiality. That took media, politics, the arts and legal system seriously. That reflected a world I'm interested…

Ross Mason

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:46:01 +1200

We ignored that, and I really want to emphasise how supportive the people we dealt with directly at TVNZ were — most notably, Philippa Mossman, Oliver Seely, Juliet Jensen and Paul Fairless. They're good people.

And Juliet joined motherhood about a month ago. Perfectly timed!!!

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:51:35 +1200

Martyn Bradbury makes some observations after the round of Save TVNZ7 meetings he helped conduct around the country.

At the risk of being the subject of another Bomber fatwa, does that guy ever check a fact?

Previous Labour Party policy:Labour rarely built public broadcasting capacity (Radio NZ’s funding freeze was…

Trevor Nicholls

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:06:13 +1200

What we need now is a Super Size Me-type doco, but with the focus on infotainment/prolefeed/junk food news. If it hasn’t already been made.

Call it "fifty shades of craven" and it might even get funding.

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:39:28 +1200

I have never understood this. I would have thought the group in society with most disposable income would be people in their 50s and 60s, kids off their hands, no mortgage, take a trip a year and dammit yes I wouldn’t mind a new watch/car/spa pool/barbecue &c.

And to be not…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:13:03 +1200

Nah – Thingo Joyce-

Kumara Republic

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:42:36 +1200

You'll be meaning Steven Joyce...

Don't you mean, Prostetnic Vogon Joyce?

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:37:33 +1200

You’ll be meaning Steven Joyce…
a big part of all magick workings
is to get the rite names right, right?

You do realise how much it hurts to have to correct that ... don't you?

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:20:53 +1200

On The Panel this afternoon Jane Clifton puzzled at the strong reaction to the closure of TVNZ7....

Meanwhile, her Listener stablemate, Diana Wichtel, has long been a supporter of TVNZ7, and was even drawing attention to it last year in her when ratings rule:

TVNZ doesn’t seem to be shedding…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:14:16 +1200

Martyn Bradbury makes some observations after the round of Save TVNZ7 meetings he helped conduct around the country.

jb

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:50:35 +1200

The uncontrolled mirth at the assertion that New Zealand is the only Western country without public broadcasting was a tad disconcerting.....

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:44:19 +1200

E tika!

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:34:54 +1200

acid test pHail...
...overruled by Stephen Joyce.
... Stephen Joyce’s standard response...
You'll be meaning Steven Joyce...
a big part of all magick workings
is to get the rite names right, right?

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:24:30 +1200

I've just ditched Sky (bothered by their constant tiny rachetting of monthly fees
& the fact that I only watched Maori tv/Heartland and a couple of UKTV programmes -each week.)

I may get Freeview – but it is uncertain the service is available in the wopwops.

All my immediate family group…

Will de Cleene

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:22:41 +1200

To the contrary, the second bid process was designed to ensure the highest possible price was received.

Touche. One example why I failed Law. Nevertheless, it was the right policy for the wrong conditions. Not meaning to wave my useless BA around too much, but it's the old James Q…

izogi

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:12:57 +1200

I know a few folk with analogue TVs and Sky boxes, who may miss Freeview entirely, though.

Me too, to be honest, but in most of the cases that I know, I think the people pay for Sky because they're most interested in the sorts of content that Sky offers…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:04:54 +1200

Gah! Excuse double post.
First one did not show up on my machine-

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:03:48 +1200

I’d be surprised if audiences for those cultural forms tend to the young and brown (unlike the ones who prefer hip hop for instance).

True.
But – occaisionally- they'll be there.
When Witi's opera was first-nighted in Wellington, I was reliably informed that management had never seen so many brown…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:00:34 +1200

I’d be surprised if audiences for those cultural forms tend to the young and brown (unlike the ones who prefer hip hop for instance).

And other forms of song/dance... when Witi's opera was performed in Wellington I was told that that was the largest observedly brown audience ever, in Wellington-…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:57:39 +1200

What we need now is a Super Size Me-type doco, but with the focus on infotainment/prolefeed/junk food news. If it hasn't already been made.

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:55:56 +1200

Actually, just to be accurate, both TV1 and now TV3 (which shifted its demo upwards recently) target the 25-54 demographic. So you’ve got another few years before you’re ignored completely Russ. :)

Phew. And you're right of course.

Hilary Stace

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:46:41 +1200

On The Panel this afternoon Jane Clifton puzzled at the strong reaction to the closure of TVNZ7. She didn't think anyone would watch cheaply made talking heads television. And when persuaded by the other conservative panelist that they do, she airily assumed that those programmes would be picked up by…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:45:28 +1200

Understood. There is a high overlap between age and wealth in every society – and here that includes many people older than boomers. I'd be surprised if audiences for those cultural forms tend to the young and brown (unlike the ones who prefer hip hop for instance).

Will de Cleene

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:44:55 +1200

Actually, just to be accurate, both TV1 and now TV3 (which shifted its demo upwards recently) target the 25-54 demographic.

I wonder how much of this is down to demographic realities. The average NZer is around 43 years old, compared to, say, Saudi Arabia where the average age is something…

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:35:57 +1200

for us the biggest incentive to start watching TVNZ6 and TVNZ7 was actually having them available at all. Once we finally bothered to buy a digital TV
Ditto.
My feeling is that TVNZ7 numbers would have increased markedly as analogue shut-down rolled closer- and viewer habits slowly caught up :)…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:34:39 +1200

No – but the implication was there so I clarified the matter-

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:32:36 +1200

The wealthy are not necessarily the people born between 1946 & 1966

never said they were

izogi

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:30:42 +1200

There are a couple of reasons the viewers took a while to roll up. One was programming. [--snip--] The other, much more important, impediment to 6 and 7 was the lack of external promotion.

I can't speak for all those people who weren't given programmes they wanted, or weren't told…

Damian Christie

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:30:05 +1200

Target demographics for advertisers top out at 49, and the programming reflects that.

Stupid though, as you point…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:52:05 +1200

he wealthy also seem to expect the rest of us to fund their preferred forms of culture – like opera and ballet. Not that logical.

The wealthy are not necessarily the people born between 1946 & 1966: that latter group has more disposable income than on-coming groups but ISNT especially interested…

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:46:02 +1200

maybe tv has done it’s market research and learned we are A Lost Cause…

You might be right. The things you say the 50+ market is interested in are much better suited to being marketed via other media than TV.

Talk radio is deluged with ads for stupid magnetic mattresses…

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:42:25 +1200

That was Sacha’s point I think- and it might be happening already, in a sideways fashion. Are NZ on Air funded music videos still required to have a broadcaster?

No. Home Brew have had one NZ On Air-funded video that you'll never see on the telly.

NZ On Air's mandate…

Islander

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:38:08 +1200

ave never understood this. I would have thought the group in society with most disposable income would be people in their 50s and 60s

Not wrong – but we are a very variable group.
A lot of us dont like travel(we've already done a lot normally); we already have a…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:16:25 +1200

the group in society with most disposable income

The wealthy also seem to expect the rest of us to fund their preferred forms of culture – like opera and ballet. Not that logical.

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:13:57 +1200

Yes it was, ta. The current model is based on scarcity. If there's a genuinely functioning distribution market with low access barriers, then a broadcast commitment wouldn't be needed. Content subsidies will be.

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:03:45 +1200

I have never understood this. I would have thought the group in society with most disposable income would be people in their 50s and 60s
Me neither- especially when you consider this now encompasses the 'baby-boomer' generation which has pretty much demanded the moon on a plate since they were…

Joe Wylie

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:03:22 +1200

Apart from the sellers of rest-home care, snake-oil cures for joint pain and incontinence pads (not really fiftysomething products) no one seems interested in this market. Genuinely interested to know why.
A dastardly plot to fend off the tyranny of the demographic bulge by keeping those godawful boomers marginalized?

Back…

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:56:54 +1200

The number one thing NZ On Air needs to fund a show is a broadcast commitment

I wonder how long it will be before having content accessible on the web becomes an acceptable equivalent to ‘broadcast’. (And whether NZ on air might start funding websites that don’t stick to the…

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:51:31 +1200

The number one thing NZ On Air needs to fund a show is a broadcast commitment

I wonder how long it will be before having content accessible on the web becomes an acceptable equivalent to 'broadcast'. (And whether NZ On Air might start funding websites that don't stick to the…

Peter Calder

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:49:54 +1200

Commercial television hates old people. Target demographics for advertisers top out at 49, and the programming reflects that.
I have never understood this. I would have thought the group in society with most disposable income would be people in their 50s and 60s, kids off their hands, no mortgage, take…

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:46:50 +1200

You mean apart from some guarantee that said funded content is actually going to be broadcast?

Which is the key point. The number one thing NZ On Air needs to fund a show is a broadcast commitment.

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:42:54 +1200

Yeah, the second bid process was supposed to stop stupidly high bids.

To the contrary, the second bid process was designed to ensure the highest possible price was received.

Unfortunately, it relies on there being more than one serious bidder to work properly.

If you have a tender process where…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:29:55 +1200

I’d like to see content funding unlinked from broadcast control

You mean apart from some guarantee that said funded content is actually going to be broadcast?

Will de Cleene

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:28:58 +1200

I seem to remember the UHF sell-off left a few polytechs and community organisations with spectrum- sometimes for very little (I think highest bid won, but only paid the amount of the next bid- and sometimes that was nothing.)

Yeah, the second bid process was supposed to stop stupidly high…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:26:10 +1200

Same went for the Charter, which I have had issues with previously. It is all part of Labour 5’s larger problem; too much wool, not enough steel.

I've come to acquit the previous government on the charges of setting up TVNZ 6 & 7 to fail, but Russell is perhaps far…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:19:58 +1200

I'd like to see content funding unlinked from broadcast control – but only once we have real broadband to make competing distribution viable.

Kumara Republic

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:17:39 +1200

As ‘Save TVNZ7’ morphs into ‘we want public broadcasting!’ the role on NZ on Air should come under scrutiny. It looks more and more like a subsidy for commercial broadcasters- they decide what gets funded, and then they sell ads around it, and allow us to watch it…

It's called…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:12:28 +1200

The Press editorial ignores the gatekeeping role of commercial broadcasters in NZ on Air's model, as noted by others here. Not sure what Media7 being picked up by TV3 says really. 'Backbenches' developments could be interesting.

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:01:45 +1200

looking up tenders for the 80s-90s spectrum sell-off, trying to see the quality of the ladder being pulled up with the next round of tenders.
I seem to remember the UHF sell-off left a few polytechs and community organisations with spectrum- sometimes for very little (I think highest bid won,…

merc

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:00:16 +1200

Executive 1, is Brown corralled?
Exec 2, yep, TV3 have him.
Exec 1, thank god, my mum would never forgive me.
Exec 2, yeah her and The Boss.
Exec 1, we will never mention The Boss again ok?
Exec 2, I know, I know, or we'll be sent to Igloo...

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:57:37 +1200

Besides, “if public-service programmes are worth making” then they can find a home on another outlet.
Let me re-phrase that for you: “if public-service programmes are worth money to advertisers, they can find a home on another outlet". Fixed :)

Will de Cleene

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:57:09 +1200

Even though some of them made a killing out of gaming public policy around spectrum allocation, those guys hate anything the government has to do with broadcasting.

I did a bit of research in the weekend on this very point, looking up tenders for the 80s-90s spectrum sell-off, trying to…

cphilpott

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:54:15 +1200

In my defence, I only included that particular quote as an example of optimism going forward. Besides, as Media7 itself has shown, "if public-service programmes are worth making" then they can find a home on another outlet.

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:49:12 +1200

This from the Press editorial quoted in Chris’s column seems wildly naive:
It’s utterly, utterly naive. It could hardly be more wrong. Yet people keep saying it.
Eyes wide shut!?!

Rob Stowell

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:46:38 +1200

As 'Save TVNZ7' morphs into 'we want public broadcasting!' the role on NZ on Air should come under scrutiny. It looks more and more like a subsidy for commercial broadcasters- they decide what gets funded, and then they sell ads around it, and allow us to watch it...
Is there…

Russell Brown

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:40:50 +1200

This from the Press editorial quoted in Chris’s column seems wildly naive:

It’s utterly, utterly naive. It could hardly be more wrong. Yet people keep saying it.

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:25:23 +1200

This from the Press editorial quoted in Chris's column seems wildly naive:

If public-service programmes are worth making, NZ on Air is there to see they get made. Once that is done, programme makers will find no shortage of outlets on which they can be shown

Right now that's just…

Lilith __

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:11:39 +1200

Our very own Tom Jones

I watched Mars Attacks last night, and found it just as sublime as I remembered.

Tom Jones singing “It’s Not Unusual” to the assembled wildlife…how would you even think that would work?? And yet it’s a perfect moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1fbsj9SiNY

Edit: sorry, um, /derail!

Kumara Republic

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:52:36 +1200

Welcome back to PA System. For the rest of us, here’s the latest on the TVNZ7 post-mortem.

@artig: I’d say it’s more a strategy of philistinism than stupidity. What better way to ensure a gullible public, than the philistine-industrial complex? The same usual suspects have told us to trust NZ…

Danielle

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:42:48 +1200

the thinking grandmother’s crumpet

Our very own Tom Jones.

George Darroch

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:38:46 +1200

Oh yeah, and another thing:

Can anyone imagine Country Calendar being commissioned or funded under the current TVNZ model?

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:37:47 +1200

Whatever some pundits would have you believe – and Paul Little’s incoherent argument to the contrary in the Herald on Sunday requires more critiquing than I have energy

Here's all I can muster at the moment. Yes, Paul, the BBC churns out a terrifying amount of unspeakable shit — something…

artig

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:29:04 +1200

I'm one of those who fall well outside the target demographics of commercial TV, and will sorely miss TVNZ 7. Although Save TVNZ 7 was doomed to fail I still supported them, and consider the demise of the channel as one of the stupidest acts perpetrated by the current government.…

StepDoh

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:22:21 +1200

Is there any value in a reappraisal of the NZBC route, a better funded Radio New Zealand given extra money to produce local news and current affairs then procure the rest from indie developers with help from NZOA.

I know they are running on oily rag funding at the moment,…

Lilith __

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:14:25 +1200

Long live non-commercial broadcasting.

Amen! Also the thinking grandmother’s crumpet :-)

cphilpott

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:08:01 +1200

Great read, Russell – really interesting stuff.

I completely agree with you about the SaveTVNZ7 campaign. It was certainly good to have something trying to stop the cancellation, and I think it will turn into something better and more suitable (and away from TVNZ, as you say). But I did…

George Darroch

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:00:13 +1200

Anyone who has followed the success of Mythbusters or of Brian Cox would know the public enthusiasm for popular science is undimmed by the efforts of the barbarians who guard the commercial broadcasting gates.

Or, indeed, of Natural History New Zealand, before its work was neglected by a rabidly commercial…

merc

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:53:21 +1200

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10816844
So I am guessing TVNZ isn't going to sue the Govt. for allowing Sky TV to be a monopoly.

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:32:37 +1200

back-catalogue episodes of Horizon ... would be cheap and effective programming

I wonder if they meant before or after the mid-90's where the programme developed a strong lean towards human interest life-science stories. (possibly in support of the Daily Mail's ongoing project to classify all matter into things that either…

Tom Semmens

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:31:40 +1200

Ironically, science programming eventually became a stellar part of the lineup

And I have taken to…

Sacha

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:30:25 +1200

Seeing Maharey say that so calmly yesterday got me asking why I had not seen anyone else associated with Labour be so clear about the intentions.

TV producer Simon Bennett tweeted

Still disappointed and angry about the termination of TVNZ7. Small-minded No-vision government. This country is run by grey people.…

Public Address

Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:30:24 +1200

Discussion from blog post.