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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						<p>None of ous had &ndash; ok, a 1981 Chrysler Avenger is hardly a high-spec vehicle :-)<br />But our '97 Camy doesn't either. That's a car which is keeping on keeping on &ndash; 360,000 ks and did 35K last year. Just having bits of the exhaust fail one by one.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>a knob to lower the headlight angle</q></p><p>Most station wagons have those, unless they are Citroens with self-levelling suspension.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>A sensible precaution against nearsighted ZAP devotees, who were given to smashing Lada windscreens in secluded spots like the University car park.</q></p><p>Some property rights believers they are.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:30:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>DeepRed:<br /><q>the socketed main chips would loosen in the motherboards, causing sporadic failure</q></p><p>Because Amigas relied on extra custom coprocessors to handle audio, video &amp; direct memory there'd have been more chips to loosen I guess. The last working Amiga I saw was twelve years ago, a 2000 set up as…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Also with a heater that seemed designed for the Siberian steppes?   We drove our Lada three times around the clock and, although we tried our best to kill it, it would not die.  Finally sold it to my graduate student, who ran up many more kms,,then on-sold it for more…
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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						When his trusty 1968 Morris Oxford wagon finally died (early 90s?), Dad bought a Lada wagon &ndash; one of the Fiat 125-clone ones. Biggest tool kit I've ever seen provided with a car &ndash; gotta fix it yourself in Siberia I guess. Interesting features like headlight wipers and a knob…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>The later incarnation of the graphics-geek friendly Amiga was hyped by the local distributor as a cheap colour rival of the Mac. Unfortunately it suffered from the kind of instability that only a bleeding edge enthusiast could love. The regularly encountered guru meditation must have provide hours of fun for…</q>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>I don’t know much about how the Dairy Board operated, except that it appeared to be in mysterious ways. What I do remember is that they were probably the only big corporate customer for the Commodore Amiga computer. </p><p>The later incarnation of the graphics-geek friendly Amiga was hyped by the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:28:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p><q>The Dairy Board was also NZ distributor for the Lada vehicles they’d traded for agricultural produce. </q></p><p>Was this still the case in the late 80s or early 90s, when TV's Country Calendar was officially brought to you "by the Lada Niva, Cossack and Tigre"? I would have been pretty young…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:18:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>John Key Forex Trader PM</q><br />There was me thinking he was in some kind of 'David-Hockney look-alike' competition...</p><p>;-  )</p>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>It strikes me as slightly  remiss that there is no talk of environmental impacts surrounding these discussions of increased dairy output.<br /> Maybe the  West Island has got this sorted  :-)</p><p><a href="http://www.rabobank.co.nz/Research/Documents/Reports/Report_Dairy-IN_NZ-Sep2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.rabobank.co.nz/Research/Documents/Reports/Report_Dairy-IN_NZ-Sep2014.pdf</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:01:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>Additionally  I assume that at some point or other Key bought into <a href="http://ciscohouston.com/docs/docs/quotes/russell.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>:</p><p><q>Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man, and our politicians take advantage of this prejudice by pretending to be even more stupid than…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:10:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, Scott Adams <em>nails</em> the appeal of Key:<q>Leadership is an illusion created by the abuse of underlings. <br />The more pain I force you to endure, the more of a leader I appear to be.</q>( <em>Dilbert</em> , 5 Oct 2014)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:37:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						With that tendency in mind; had we the nouse of the Tazzies, we could have built an <a href="http://www.fjordemagazine.com/introducing-666-autumn-butter-vodka/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">empire</a>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:37:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Could that also have been a reluctance to flood an already saturated market?:</q></p><p>I guess if Miss Fisher had happened upon one of <a href="http://naamapalmu.com/bigfile/22278" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">these</a> the magazine would have already been emptied.</p>
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						<p><q>but no Kalashnikovs. Guns for butter would have been a step too far, </q></p><p>Could that also have been a reluctance to <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/7767634/Semi-automatic-rifle-found-at-river" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">flood</a> an already saturated <a href="http://www.stagersport.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=290:ak47-762x39&amp;catid=79:new-used-a-collectable-rifles&amp;Itemid=161" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">market</a>?:</p><p><q>This fully functional AK is one of a small number brought back to NZ by the NZ Army.Solid steel lower receiver with 1966 manufacture…</q></p>
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				<title>krothville</title>
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						Yes! Yes! Crazy that it hasn't been brought to light, when he gained the National leadership (or was challenging for it? Memory's a bit dodgy that far back) that would have been the ideal time.
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						Hyup, indeed.  So many things about this world are just sick and wrong.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:34:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						<p><q>“don’t let this millionaire criminal hijack our election”</q></p><p>But the election WAS hijacked by a millionaire criminal &ndash; if you accept that back in the day JK particiapated in the biggest ever currency raid on the New Zealand Dollar (wiping the odd $billion of the value of NZ companies), that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:38:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						Fonterra confirms that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11337746" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sri Lanka has suspended the sale of Anchor milk powder</a> because it has made children sick.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>If you’re interested, the excellent documentary “Food, Inc.” is on youtube. Makes me very grateful that most of our meat isn’t produced like that.</q></p><p>And, of course, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fast Food Nation</a>.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						I'm pretty sure that Stolichnaya vodka was part of the deal too, but no Kalashnikovs. Guns for butter would have been a step too far, even by the byzantine standards of those late cold war times.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>buttery power...</strong><br /><q>The Dairy Board was also NZ distributor for the Lada vehicles they’d traded for agricultural produce.</q><br />...the spread of the Larda?</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I had a bit of a look around and found a Q&amp;A that the American government agency which sold the butter produced at the time</q></p><p>Thanks Ben, interesting background to a weird episode. I remember spotting the Twin Flags branded butter at Foodtown Grey Lynn and thinking 'How stupid do they…</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>That dairy industry story is very interesting, thanks!  </p><p>I had a bit of a look around and found a Q&amp;A that the American government agency which sold the butter produced at the time, as you could imagine a lot of people in the US were highly annoyed at what was happening!…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>Damn, that’s a shame. I’ve found what you have to say in this really useful. Let me know if you reconsider.</q></p><p>+1 I second that Russel</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve thought a lot about it Alfie and I think that at this stage it would be foolish to stick my head any further above the parapet.</q></p><p>Damn, that's a shame. I've found what you have to say in this really useful. Let me know if you reconsider.</p>
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						Something similar happened to Tom Kane in Christchurch. He owned Applefields and found a lucrative market in the US which would have seriously increased his income, but the Apple & Pear Marketing Board wouldn't allow him to sell direct. Tom is an obstinate chap and refused to give in &mdash; he…
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>I've thought a lot about it Alfie and I think that at this stage it would be foolish  to stick my head any further above the parapet.<br />I'm always mindful of what happened to some friends who set out to do UHT milk into Asia about 30 years ago.<br />People…</p>
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						<p>The <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11334946" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">overnight Global Dairy Trade auction</a> saw milk powder prices fall again, this time by a further 10 per cent. I'm not sure where that leaves farm gate pricing but it's surely going to drop below $5. </p><p>I'd love to see the guest post by Farmer Green that Russell requested.</p>
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						<p><q>read about America's food industry</q></p><p>If you're interested, the excellent documentary "Food, Inc." is on youtube.  Makes me very grateful that most of our meat isn't produced like that.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>I remember they tried to sell it here, it was the wrong colour and tasted odd – no one would buy it</q></p><p>I remember in my first year in Beijing some American friends gave me this weird lurid radioactive orange coloured stuff and tried to claim is was cheddar cheese.…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I remember they tried to sell it here, it was the wrong colour and tasted odd – no one would buy it</q></p><p>They tried adulterating it with local product.</p>
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						<p>Remember the huge  deteriorating butter mountain that the U.S. would not sell to Russia during the Cold War years?<br />Remember how the butter was all sold to N.Z. ; converted to anhydrous milk fat and onsold to  Russia?</p><p>They both owe us.</p>
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						<p>Tatua also announced today , in a very rare move , that it had enrolled ten new suppliers , all clustered around the factory . Historically Tatua has been a closed shop ; they never took more supply than they wanted. <br />It would be interesting to know whether the new…</p>
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						<p><q>What could possibly go wrong....</q> dunno but does an amplituhedron have 42 sides?<br />__Artist’s rendering of the amplituhedron, a newly discovered mathematical object resembling a multifaceted jewel in higher dimensions. Encoded in its volume are the most basic features of reality that can be calculated — the probabilities of outcomes…</p>
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						<p><q>Not to worry, once this Western Russia thing blows over, we’ll be in clover!</q></p><p>Fixed it for you</p>
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						<p>Well, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11334395" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this is interesting</a>:</p><p><q>Tatua, the small Waikato-based dairy co-operative, did well over the 2014/15 dairy season while its far bigger competitor, Fonterra, did not. The reason &ndash; powder.</q></p>
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						<p><q>The majority of California’s energy is already provided for by solar power stations</p><p>Not even close to that. In 2010 it was 53% Natural Gas, 14% from all renewables.</q></p><p>I suspect the word "new" was missing from that first statement</p><p>And it is changing quite fast &ndash; I was visiting…</p>
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						<p><strong>MosCow Knights...</strong><br />Not to worry, once this Ukraine thing blows over, <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10563630/Russian-trade-deal-in-limbo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">we'll be in clover!</a><br /><q> Fonterra chief executive dairy Theo Spierings accompanied Groser to Moscow in May. Russians were reported as apparently wooing Fonterra to invest in dairy farms, including in eastern Russia.<br />Groser admitted he had been encouraging Fonterra…</q></p>
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						<p><q> The majority of California’s energy is already provided for by solar power stations</q></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_California#Generation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Not even close to that</a>. In 2010 it was 53% Natural Gas, 14% from all renewables.</p><p><q>Server farms would provide an ideal replacement for the smelter when it closes.</q></p><p>We've discussed this before on the site. From…</p>
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						<p>It seems as though Joe Average has a pretty good handle on what is going down.<br />Her's a comment from NBR :-</p><p>" We have a lot of headwinds blowing in our direction now with China slowing dramatically (take whatever their official reports say, haircut the positives by 50% and…</p>
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						<p><q>That is comprehensive!</q><br />Going by past episodes, the effect should hit Auckland about 18 months from now.<br />But this time , it appears that the malaise will not be as short-lived as the previous episodes.</p>
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						<p><strong>...it never rains, but it Hayley's</strong><br /><q>You saw it first at Hard News</q><br />That is comprehensive!</p><p><strong>a whey with the theories...</strong><br />on the Demand side <br />is anyone working to weaponise milk?</p><p></hopefully a bad joke></p>
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						<p><q>debt farming</q><br />That part is very interesting.<br /> Does one anticipate a bail-out of the most over-geared dairy conversions by  large chunks of urban equity capital, seemingly intent on enjoying the pitiful returns on capital that characterise  our agricultural sector?</p><p>Or , the perfect hedge against a prolonged period of financial…</p>
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						<p><q>there comes a point of balance on production and profit,</q></p><p>Just my opinion , but from a certain perspective , we are way past that point.<br /> Perversely , if we were thinking about added-value dairy , as Australia is currently, we would conclude that we don't produce enough milk in…</p>
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						<p><strong>Cash Cows or Friesian Market Economy...</strong><br /><q>Private Equity has only ever improved industries it gets involved in, as we all know.</q><br />Thanks for the link Farmer Green, too <br />Yeah. No. &ndash;  it's not quite what I thought it was, sounds more like they are diversifying into finance and debt farming…</p>
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						<p>You saw it first at Hard News.<br />All the News that is News :-)</p><p><a href="http://www.rabobank.co.nz/Research/Documents/Reports/Rabobank_Global-Dairy-Qly_Sep-2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.rabobank.co.nz/Research/Documents/Reports/Rabobank_Global-Dairy-Qly_Sep-2014.pdf</a></p>
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						<p>Thanks Sam . It's no biggy though, so don't bust a gut.<br />Polled Holsteins are a rarity anywhere in the world but doubly so in China. The cows that I sent would by now have produced a %  of  polled offspring , even when mated to horned bulls. <br />I wonder…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sept 2014 08:00:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						Quickly piping in: I am working in China right now in a related area, and can try to ask colleagues after National Holiday when back in the office.
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						<p><q>奇异 sounds like Kiwi, apparently!</q></p><p>Not so much in Mandarin &ndash; qíyì, which for those not acquainted with pinyin sounds more like chee &ndash; ee than kiwi. It looks like it likely does sound like kiwi in Cantonese, though, and many a foreign loanword entered "Chinese"* through Hong Kong and…</p>
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						<p><strong>Whippet good!</strong><br /><q>vegetable mice</q><br />diced én mousse...</p>
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						<p><strong>Pun Search</strong><br />No, not really – I meant <br /><strong>Go  the Canes!</strong><br />…but I did find some <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/interactive/17721/kiwifruit-cultivars" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pictures of divers KiwiFruit cutivars.</a><br />Perhaps the original ‘Sun Peach’ stock that grew from <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/kiwifruit/page-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the seeds of <em>Actinidia deliciosa</em> Isabel Fraser* brought back to Wanganui (sic) in 1904</a> is, still among them.</p><p>I suspect…</p>
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						<a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souris_v%C3%A9g%C3%A9tale" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Souris végétale</a> &ndash; vegetable mice.
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						<p><strong>Sun Peach</strong><br /><a href="http://hanyuxiaofaxian.tumblr.com/post/61487252942/kiwifruit" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this site</a> has other names as well &ndash; I liked  Wonderfruit, so called because 奇异 sounds like Kiwi, apparently!<br />This site has some quite interesting  info on Chinese language<br />&ndash; palindromes even, and puns!<br />Oh to be a cunning linguist of many tongues...</p><p>Oh...</p><p></coat></p>
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						<p><q>Maori, I believe, are far better represented with an independent voice/party in Parliament.</q></p><p>I'm convinced at some stage that Labour is going to wake up to the great opportunity in NZ left parliamentary politics &ndash; forming a coalition with the Maori Party and leaving the Maori seats to them, and…</p>
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						<p>Private Equity has only ever improved industries it gets involved in, as we all know.</p><p><q> Fonterra Co-operative Group [NZX: FCG] may establish an Equity Partners' Fund that would source capital from investors for farmers in New Zealand and Australia. </q></p>
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						Oh sure, lol.  But I think there's an awful lot of ridiculous commentary on gen-y-ers that has no basis in reality ;)
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						<p>Farms Source</p><p><a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/fonterra-considers-equity-fund-part-farms-source-launch-bd-163155" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/fonterra-considers-equity-fund-part-farms-source-launch-bd-163155</a></p>
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						<p><q>Yeah, no, sorry. I even had a flick through zdic, but couldn’t find anything.</q></p><p>Ha! Thanks for looking :)</p>
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						<p><q>Polled Holsteins</q></p><p>I did read something about Holsteins imported from NZ once a couple of years back &ndash; maybe in one of the links I posted earlier. But there's not much dairy farming out my in laws' way. Grapes and apples are big out there. There's a dairy "operation" of…</p>
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						<p><q>Please tell me that is because a regular peach looks like a ‘moon’.</q></p><p>Yeah, no, sorry. I even had a flick through <a href="http://www.zdic.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">zdic</a>, but couldn't find anything.</p>
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						<p><strong>The Stand Alone Ranger...</strong><br /><q>These commentators who keep spouting the nonsense that gen-y has ridiculous expectations are often the 50+ers, completely detached and so out of it.</q><br />On the Internet, <br />no -one knows how old you are...<br />...or even how out of it you are!</p><p>My experience (as a flight-veteran…</p>
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						<p><q>We expect to have to work shitty jobs, 3 on the go at once, for the rest of our lives.</q><br />Unions. Join 'em. Just sayin :)</p>
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						<p><strong>Split milk...</strong><br /><q>What you you think about summing all this up into a guest post for us, FG?</q><br />Hell, I'd like to see him co-opted to run Fonterra, or at least advise them, it sounds like they need to hear, and do, stuff they have been avoiding for whatever reason...…</p>
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						<p>Chris if you ever hear of some Polled Holsteins in China , or see them , I'd love to know.<br />They are  almost certain to have come from my place, and I've always wanted to know how they were doing.</p>
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						<p><q>and among some older names is 阳桃/yángtáo – “sun peach”. Thanks, Ian!</q></p><p><em>Please</em> tell me that is because a regular peach looks like a 'moon'.</p>
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						<p>Lol, I'm not sure how expecting good working conditions (such as a 10-15 min tea break, and a paid lunch break) connects to gen-y-ers expecting everything to be handed to them on a platter.  </p><p>In fact, I'd say (with the exception of those born into riches and privilege through family…</p>
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						<p><q>What you you think about summing all this up into a guest post for us, FG?</q></p><p>Could we teach him about linking so there is back up to what he is saying. It is interesting but I'd like some evidence too.<br />Scratch that. he knows how.</p>
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						<p><q>What you you think about summing all this up into a guest post for us, FG?</q><br />+1</p>
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						I'd really appreciate that too. Interesting discussion.
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						<p><q>If this becomes news , then I can stop banging on about it , and head back down the back-paddock, and meditate under a tree :-).</q></p><p>What you you think about summing all this up into a guest post for us, FG?</p>
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						Helen Kelly of the CTU has been collecting job ads for the industry. Some very long shifts/days on to time off and she has calculated that many would pay below the minimum wage. I think employment conditions currently have to be assessed on a  weekly basis. As part of the…
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						<p><q>"The problem is that children in the most recent generation of adults born between 1982 and 1995, known as Generation Y, were raised to believe it is their right to have everything given to them more than any other previous generation.”</q><br />I can recall identical sentiments expressed about each rising…</p>
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						<p>According to some commentators there is also a growing problem with an 'entitlement mindset' or  ' narcissistic personality disorder'. These things are relative of course.</p><p><br />OPINION: Gen Y's legacy &ndash; the age of entitlement<br />Jacqueline Rowarth | WEEKEND REVIEW | </p><p><br />"The more one has, the more one wants. Apparently, anyway.…</p>
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						<p>So in N.Z. terms the best performers have a turnover (Gross Income) of  NZ$ 1.60/ litre. <br />Fonterra achieves about $1.</p><p>There are micro dairy companies in N.Z. achieving $4  gross/litre.</p><p> If this becomes news , then I can stop banging on about it , and head back down the back-paddock,…</p>
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						<p>Yep , amazing that it saw the light of day. here's the item as it appeared on Rural News:-</p><p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/255708/fonterra-poor-at-value-adding-report" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/255708/fonterra-poor-at-value-adding-report</a></p>
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						<p><q>Selling powder to the poor will not do it for Godzone</q><br />This <a href="http://www.ifcndairy.org/en/news/2014/top_20_list.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">report from the International Farm Comparison Group</a> was mentioned on Morning Report today. It puts Fonterra as the second in the world for volume of milk collected (22m litres) but near the bottom of the list for value…</p>
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						<p><q>Such weak employment laws that there's a lot of people aren't treated well, gets to be a race to the bottom for conditions in an oversupplied and compulsive market.</q></p><p>Sounds like hospo.  Yep, and National are going to be weakening the laws even more this term apparently.</p>
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						<p><q>What is the pay and working conditions?</q><br />My (2nd hand) experience of pay and conditions on dairy was that you work minimum wage for a couple hours in the morning and a couple hours in the evening you get paid for, and between them you have to hang around unpaid…</p>
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						<p><q> How can we stop this?</q></p><p>Create a sustainable dairy industry. <br />Somewhat glib answer , I know,  but what I mean is that we have to re-design the industry so as to rebuild the stores of capital  . . . economic , environmental and social.<br />Sell  the finest cultured dairy products…</p>
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						<p>Thank you for your answers!</p><p><q>"Are we bringing in FIlipinos to work in our dairy industry? "</p><p>Oh yes , young NZers are frequently horrified by what they encounter , and have low tolerance of labour exploitation.</q></p><p>Wow. Ok, that is something I truly had no idea was happening.  What…</p>
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						<p><q>Blindness and lack of education. :-)</q></p><p>That might be too harsh. The effect of collectivism is not insignificant.<br />If everyone is doing it , you would have to be something of a renegade to be different.<br />Shetlander /Irish ancestry can be facilitative  . . .  :-)</p>
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						<p><q>Fonterra’s pricing model? </q></p><p>-dictates that the milk in that buttermilk lake had the same value as fresh milk in the middle of winter,  when factories were lying idle , or on the shoulders of the season when efficiency was dropping owing to lack of throughput.</p>
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						<p><q>“Through-put driven”, </q><br /> A powder factory costs about 400-500 million and is most efficient running at full capacity around the clock.</p><p>"too many cows on the soil " yep and too much bought-in nitrogen (as feed and fertiliser)  to support them. <br />Consequently more effluent than the  land area can sequester. Plus…</p>
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						<p>Wow . I recognise this house ; it's the old Winter homestead.<br /> Lyall Winter was my scout troop leader.</p><p><a href="http://www.realestate.co.nz/2071634" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.realestate.co.nz/2071634</a></p>
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						<p>Farmer Green, sorry, I'm not very knowledgeable about the dairy sector, so I have a few questions.</p><p>"Through-put driven", so this means that Fonterra is focussed on the volumes of milk it receives from farmers?</p><p>"It should be obvious that the way the bulk of the NZ dairy industry, i.e.…</p>
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						<p><q>past your eyes…</q></p><p>Oooo-er</p>
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						<p>Old technology Ian.<br />The on-farm evaporator (the size of a fridge) was developed in the 70s. The plan was to have one on every farm, concentrating the milk, so as to leave the water on the farm. I’ve got one : it’s very smart for its time.<br />In those days…</p>
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						<p><strong>a sour-salt and buttery...</strong><br /><q>Fonterra eyes better peak milk flow control</q><br />The sooner they put in dedicated dairy pipelines across the landscape, the better...<br />... 24hr continuous batch brewed milk.<br />(it could be called 'Crem o' Tories')</p><p>Better yet if they can powder it, perhaps it could be reduced further,…</p>
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						<p><q>Yep , she’ll be right.</q></p><p>Not a worry mate :-)</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/10542293/Fonterra-eyes-better-peak-milk-flow-control" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/10542293/Fonterra-eyes-better-peak-milk-flow-control</a></p>
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						Thanks, Chrys. I've seen Louisa Wall suggested on the back of her exceptional work getting cross-party support for her Bill.
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						im a first slash old timer at this  so if theres anybody left out there be gentle with me…i watched the shellacking in a house on a lake outside Hokitika….i only had one interaction with the locals …at the New World carpark in Hoki…one guy by a ute jokes with…
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						<p><q>Lack of ambition and nous, then. </q><br />Yep , she'll be right.</p>
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						<p><q>Am I getting there?</q></p><p>Thank you. Lack of ambition and nous, then. Like so many other parts of our business and civic sectors.</p>
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						<p><q>Thanks, Ian!</q><br />You are welcome Chris, <br />but best thank <cough> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwifruit" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wikipedia,</a><br />for the fine detail, as I do have <br />to check these things, first...<br />:-  )</p>
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						<p>Sacha , am I making sense for you?<br />Yeah , I do want to  help  people to understand . Because it matters for NZ.</p>
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						<p>O.K. That is the collective will of the Fonterra farmer owners.<br />It’s easy, relatively  simple , can be scaled- up , requires minimal skill, and can use imported Filipino labour, import cheap rubbish (PKE) when  the margins are there, and doesn’t require the possession of some relevant consumer brands.<br />And…</p>
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						<p>And then the further question as to why , if Fonterra is not disposed to do added-value dairy, then why is nobody else getting off the ground:-</p><p>Further comment at NBR . (I've replaced a few pronouns with nouns to make the meaning clearer.)</p><p>#8 by Farmer Brown<br />"intelligent, effective…</p>
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						That still doesn't explain Fonterra's focus on powder over more valuable products.
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						<p><q>It's not a paddock of future suburbs.</q></p><p>No, it's a compact city like most others around the world. Many people and businesses prefer to be close to facilities they value, not in some quaint seaside village. Plenty of those for people who're keen on them &ndash; but good luck finding…</p>
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						<p><q>Yet we’re exporting dried powder. How come?</q></p><p>Part of the reason is here (comment at NBR) :-</p><p>Fonterra is a very well run company , which responds rationally to the conditions in which it operates.<br />Those conditions amount to a protected environment.</p><p>The two key components of that protected environment…</p>
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						<p><q>“yang tao”</q></p><p>Well, that's interesting. Kiwifruit is usually either 猕猴桃/míhóutáo or 奇异果/qíyìguǒ in modern Chinese, but I check <a href="http://www.zdic.net/c/5/158/347029.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>, and among some older names is 阳桃/yángtáo &ndash; "sun peach". Thanks, Ian!</p>
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						<p><q>The cow will likely never conceive again , and will, at least in the U.S. situation die of progressive organ failure, at the age of 4-5 years , having milked for 500-600 days.</p><p>I'm not saying Fonterra is doing this ;; I wouldn't know.</q></p><p>That is disgusting.</p>
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						Sixth further thought. One of the  treaty partners voted Labour in.
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						<p><q>China has also been importing NZ dairy cows specifically to build up its own herds.<br />Shitting me. How stupid are we.</q><br />At last! Revenge on the Kiwis (Teachers?) who smuggled the fruit called "yang tao" out of China in the early 20th century?<br />They changed the name to "Chinese gooseberry"…</p>
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						You are building on an  isthmus. It's not a paddock of future suburbs. It has natural infrastructure problems. Anyway under the Treaty of Waitangi trade needs to  centred up north.
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						<p><q>Shitting me. How stupid are we.</q></p><p>I'm glad Alfie's found some info about it. Here's some of what I've seen:</p><p><a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2013/02/03/lots-of-kiwi-cows-busy-in-china/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one</a><br /><a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/04/02/more-kiwi-cows-to-china/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">two</a><br /><a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/02/13/2000-kiwi-cows-in-taiyuan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">three</a></p>
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						<p><q> <em>China has also been importing NZ dairy cows specifically to build up its own herds.</em></p><p>Shitting me. How stupid are we.</q></p><p>The same Fonterra article verifies that. <br /><q>Most of Fonterra's Chinese herds originated from imported New Zealand fresians, with some sourced from Australia.</q></p>
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						<p><q>We only have 4 million cows. </q><br />And apparently growing by the day. The latest info I can find <a href="http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/yearbook/environment/agriculture/dairy.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">from Statistics NZ</a> puts the total at 6.4 million dairy cattle in New Zealand at 30 June 2012.</p>
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						<p><q>our best strategy WOULD BE to be the "top-shelf" producer.</q></p><p>Yet we're exporting dried powder. How come?</p>
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						<p><q>China has also been importing NZ dairy cows specifically to build up its own herds.</q></p><p>Shitting me. How stupid are we.</p>
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						<p><q>I’m not surer how much milk NZ produces at the moment,</q></p><p>About 15 billion litres / annum . . . a drop in the bucket on the world stage. We only have 4 million cows. <br />Last time I looked there were about 20 million cows in India.</p><p>ETA : 45…</p>
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						<p><q>I’m not surer how much milk NZ produces at the moment, but wouldn’t those sorts of quantities pretty much kill the international demand for NZ-produced milk? Just wondering.</q></p><p>China has also been importing NZ dairy cows specifically to build up its own herds. Apparently native Chinese cows don't produce enough…</p>
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						<p><q>Can you really milk a cow four times a day? How sustainable is that in the long term?</q><br /> Sustainable for the cow? You can have a cow producing 5 times the volume that a cow in NZ produces. Some go even higher (100 litres /day) using hormones.. You will milk…</p>
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						<p><q>It will just keep pulling people until a strategy is worked out for the civic boosting of other cities.</q></p><p>We only have one world-scale city and that's how it will stay. Boosting high-value sectors in other regions (such as Welli's film and IT busineses) is important but not enough to…</p>
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						<p><strong>Here's one for Farmer Green...</strong></p><p>While I'm not a farmer I live in a rural area and get a few farming tabloids delivered weekly. The latest issue of <em>Southern Rural Life</em> has a two page spread on Fonterra's Chinese farming operations. The photos show a massive hi-tech stall operation. But…</p>
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						It's certainly something that has to happen from my scientific readings. Polluting waterways is crazy shit for small islands.
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						<p><q>It will just keep pulling people until </q></p><p> . . . local body rates in Auckland  rise to a level sufficient to provide that every waterbody/waterway is swimmable , and the only discharge to water from  Auckland  is   . . . water.</p><p>That would be fair wouldn't it?</p>
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						<p>Aucklands housing bubble could go on for another ten years because it’s not Christchurch and it’s not Wellington ,and it has a biggger job market than anywhere in the country. </p><p>It will just keep pulling people until a strategy is worked out for the civic boosting of other cities. National…</p>
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						<p>Friday Flash from Federated farmers .<br />Enjoy.  :-)</p><p><a href="http://www.fedfarm.org.nz/publications/opinion-editorials/article.asp?id=1847#.VCT5kucWE7A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.fedfarm.org.nz/publications/opinion-editorials/article.asp?id=1847#.VCT5kucWE7A</a></p>
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						<p>In further breaking news, the CEO of Fonterra , Theo Spierings did not say</p><p>" . . . we can become the undisputed world leader in exported cheese, yoghurt etc.. . . these are the products that deliver the greatest premiums and for which a growing middle class is ever…</p>
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						<p><q> at $4 every dairy farm will be in the red.</q></p><p>There will be a few with cost of sales below $4; they will be the ones with less than one  cow /acre; no nitrogen fertiliser used ;  no "dairy support" purchased;  no irrigation; and likely  to be family- operated. <br />Of…</p>
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						<p>Thanks for that. That's exactly the numbers I wanted. So basically a $5.30 figure is break-even for an "average" farm and at $4 every dairy farm will be in the red.</p><p>I'm told by a former farmer that a good farmer pays down debt in the good times so as…</p>
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						<p><strong>the fat of the land...</strong><br /><q>Then adding skim milk powder to improve the palatability <br />simply increases the lactose</q><br />More sugar increases in one's diet by stealth, <br />and not for  health?</p><p>Can we then lay some of the modern 'Obesity Problem' <br />at Big Dairy's door, as well?</p>
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						<p>No need to apologise to me. Now that the truth about fats is coming out , I'm phasing out all the  " low-fat" products that I used to make.<br /> Eventually people will learn that  "full-fat" milk contains  only 4% fat,  and that removing that  minimal  fat  content  effectively removes the…</p>
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						<p><q>, frontera argued that our domestic milk prices where based on the international market.</q><br /> Fonterra offers quarterly contracts.  I'll let you know what the wholesale price does. <br />Naturally the winter price is much higher than the spring price.</p><p>But wait! <br />"winter price is much higher than the spring price."</p><p>What…</p>
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						<p><q>Key might have got re-elected to run into the perfect storm. Of course, he may have realised that and be planning to head off to Hawaii before his term is up.</q></p><p>And what if Jesse Colombo is proven right and the housing bubble pops? Cunliffe would have dodged a poisoned…</p>
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						Actually jumping sharks is not easy. If you screw up , the sharks are angry and you find yourself in a situation. The sharks are angry because you’ve tried to jump them.  The shark thinks , “do I ever try and jump humans? No”. He’s annoyed and he has justice…
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						<p><q>I did read it. It was strange. It’s that strange column that leaves a little bit of sick in your mouth after you’ve read it.</q></p><p>More fool you for reading a gossip column then, chap.  Still, I'm sure Ms. Glucina will be flattered to hear her fatuous burblings on the…</p>
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						Thank you simon for making me not link. Thank you Craig for calling me the fonz.
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						<p>Come on, surely by now you know the first port of call when there's some shit-stirring masquerading as journalism.</p><p>Slater = Collins = Glucina ...</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&amp;objectid=11330147" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&amp;objectid=11330147</a></p><p>They. Never. Stop.</p>
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						<p><q>Slagging off a competitors pulling power is a bit naughty , this influences the ad market place, the revenue.</q></p><p>Could you come up with a source, Jack, because I think you've just run out of sharks to jump.  Not least because this week, the handful of mentions I've seen of…</p>
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						<p><q>It would be interesting to see what percentage of dairy farms are profitable at various levels of payout. I’m guessing there are a few for which $5.30 doesn’t cover the mortgage, and a lot more at $4.</q></p><p>One of the articles linked to earlier said that farm operating costs alone…</p>
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				<title>Jack Harrison</title>
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						<p>Saw a strange article today, some newspaper article worrying that T.V 3 sucked because John Campbell is out of touch with her vision of T.V land.</p><p> Why would newspapers worry about the ratings of Television stations? They have no reason to comment so colourfully apart from self-interest. </p><p>Slagging off a…</p>
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						<p>It would be interesting to see what percentage of dairy farms are profitable at various levels of payout. I'm guessing there are a few for which $5.30 doesn't cover the mortgage, and a lot more at $4.</p><p>Not to mention that with the NZD looking a bit shakier and Chinese…</p>
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						Can I get a witness. Is the "rockstar" economy in the crapper.Has the dealer been busted?
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						Each to their own Mr Green. Dont need to panic Mr Brown.
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p><q>All the comments to that article are very interesting.</q><br /> Uh-oh a dairy farmer has posted a comment. <br />Time for farmer brown to have another go ;  I wonder if he will get  moderated.</p>
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						<p><q>It’s not clear where the payout would end up if the 30% uplift doesn’t come through, </q></p><p>One of the trading banks has published a figure of $4 , based on the current GDT auction prices.</p>
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						<p><q>and rather than losing 1/3 that energy going over Cook Straight they encourage industry in the lower half of the South Island by charging 1/3 less.</q><br />The HVDC link loses about 3%, as far as I can see. It's mostly a load-balancer for Wellington against the North Island to let…</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<p>It's not clear where the payout would end up if the 30% uplift doesn't come through, from the articles I've read.</p><p>However, bad times regardless.</p>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Note that a $5.30 payout requires a 30% lift in prices.</q><br />Which isn't going to happen. The Chinese are rather good at playing the long game. Is it possible that our 'rock star' economy has ODed (on milk)?</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>China has negotiated supply agreements directly with European suppliers. </q></p><p>Suprise, surprise. During Fonterra's DCD and botulism scandals the Chinese media pointed out just how big a share of China's imported milk comes from NZ, and how big Fonterra is, and Sanlu... </p><p>All the comments to that article are very interesting.</p>
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						<p><q> Interesting times.</q></p><p>Comment at NBR. Note that a $5.30 payout requires a 30% lift in prices.</p><p>"A 30% rebound in commodity prices over the current season and the next season is not going to happen. <br />Milk supply has increased worldwide.</p><p> China has negotiated supply agreements directly with European suppliers. </p><p>Tariffs…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Tiwai point is on the other side of the bay from Bluff, no need to close it offf
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						<p><q>Might have to change the name<br />to summat catchy like 'Wai IT'<br />or 'IT Wai' (IT by the water?)</q></p><p>Server farms would provide an ideal replacement for the smelter <strong>when</strong> it closes. Mind you, if this government stays true to form they might be inclined to offer all that cheap,…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>ven mail sorting was moved to Chch, cross town mail now takes 3-4 days rather than 1</q></p><p>Thanks, I didn't know that. What I have noticed is that from well before the quakes cross town mail  in Chch could take that long.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I was actually talking about Dunedin where things have been pretty bad under National, jobs being bled out, government departments shut down, even mail sorting was moved to Chch, cross town mail now takes 3-4 days rather than 1
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> Our local economy has be decimated by National, jobs removed and/or moved to Christchurch, no one wants to say anything because, well Christchurch</q>Well I can say something as I seem to be the whipping boy for this sort of thing.<br />So, when Christchurch is rebuilt and the population swollen by…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>Vote Positive just didn’t cut it.</q></p><p>especially in a year when the biggest election issue was corruption on the part of the opposing party &ndash; I think that Cunliffe  should have abandoned that campaign and gone for the jugular when Dirty Politics came out, instead the biggest election story just…</p>
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						<p><q>Helen Clark’s symbolic peace-making with Jim Anderton was a big step in looking like an alternative Govt in the face of the Shipley-Peters morass. </q></p><p>Clark, along with other young Labour figures, worked in Anderton's Auckland dairy in her student holidays. These people were nothing if not effective networkers. What seemed…</p>
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						My feeling about Labour was there were no real strong attacks on National's policies. They needed to spout some one-line quotes that would be picked up by Paddy Gowers. Something like: "Our debt has increased by $16,000 per man, woman and child since they gave the rich a tax cut."…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>server farms at Tiwai point is a perennial suggestion...</q><br />Ah! <br />But not just any old server farms though, <br />gotta think ahead, these will be special,<br />World Data Heritage sites, like that <br />Seed Bank/Ark in Northern Europe, <br />in which will be kept a crucial mirror copy <br />of all the Net's Cat…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>the tower of babble...</strong><br /><q>... an excited young suit ... declared he’d voted for “Mister Muldoon” ... Three years later the election night coverage was swarming with his clones, all reviling Muldoon as a disgraced charlatan.</q><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFFtPS4orXI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFFtPS4orXI</a></p><p>Suitability is a cloth run thing...</p>
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						<p><q> low paid menial shit in the cold </q></p><p>Hey, we’re still doing it :-)</p>
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						<p>I agree Paul; Auckland has its own problems, mostly population -based. <br />Use the power in the South Island.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>And Danyl @ the DimPost also agrees, saying that stability and coherence are bigger voter magnets than good policy and values.</q></p><p>To be fair, not quite what he was arguing there.  I agree with him that for non-tribal voters, policy doesn't mean a great deal if (fairly or not) the…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>server farms at Tiwai point is a perennial suggestion .... cooling by dipping big coils in the southern ocean ..... having more fibre running across the Pacific would be a requirement &ndash; redundancy and speed  would be a must have </p><p>(changes in the speed of light would also help)</p>
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						<p><strong>pow wow to the people..</strong><br /><q>They can’t shift it, there’s no lines.</q><br />Sans a smelter, they could build power-hungry data server farms,<br />or maybe a huge battery charging station and ship them up country...</p><p>Hell electrify the South Island rail system,<br />or maybe a partnership with the Dairy industries,<br />run…</p>
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						<p><q>....young and old political journalists can feel some love to, cause it’s all about journal love.</q><br />Will no-one think of their issue....</p><p>:- )</p>
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						<p><strong>time for the whitless to start whittling!</strong><br /><q>...we have a government that doesn’t care a whit about us</q><br />They don't really care about the people in Chchch either, just the money and influence while its flowing &ndash; it's like the 'Greenbait' season is open!</p><p>Same boat, lets start mutiny mutterings...…</p>
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						<q>Or they could build another HVDC connection from the dam up to the Waitaki one, upgrading the giant inverters to handle the load. But that still doesn’t spread it far enough, because you’re adding the extra generation. They’d need to add more HVDC and get it all the way to…</q>
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						<p><q>The hero to zero trajectory can be remarkably short. A 2011 Facebook fan page for Chch Mayor Bob Parker reached North Korean levels of adulation &ndash; 13000+ likes &ndash; before suddenly imploding.</q></p><p>Edit: Simon G has already said the words I was going to write.</p>
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						<p><q>I think Labour have to learn to work visibly, consistently, and cheerfully with the Greens (and others). During the next three years, they need to work as a team, among themselves as well as with other Opposition parties.</q></p><p>Helen Clark's symbolic peace-making with Jim Anderton was a big step in…</p>
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						<p><q>They need to become the old Labour Party of the left and also capture the middle ground.</q></p><p>As Obama was on record saying, why choose and/or when you can have both/and?</p>
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						<p><q>We did better than that in the 30’s.</q></p><p>In many ways we did, although the history of the first Labour Government shows that they were far from monolithic in their commitment to social justice. As Bruce Jesson’s <em>The Fletcher Challenge</em> reveals, it wasn’t only the Government who trained the workforce…</p>
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						<p><q>The unemployed were expected to work.</q><br />The unemployed had jobs created for them, work clothes provided, and houses built to live in while they worked. Yes, those jobs were often low paid menial shit in the cold because National was in office and some rural donor wanted the paddocks weeded.…</p>
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						<p><q>We hated Muldoon and we loved Mandela. Except for … well, most of us.</q></p><p>Heh. I remember the 1981 election night TV coverage, where an excited young suit with an unfortunately squeaky voice declared he’d voted for “Mister Muldoon” because he’d “got the deficit down”. Three years later the election…</p>
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						<p><q>The hero to zero trajectory can be remarkably short. A 2011 Facebook fan page for Chch Mayor Bob Parker reached North Korean levels of adulation &ndash; 13000+ likes &ndash; before suddenly imploding. I rather wish it had been somehow preserved as an example of mass delusion in action.</q></p><p>This +…</p>
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						<p><q>I was thinking more of the effect of a very large amount of renewable electricity becoming available , and its effect on household outgoings.</q><br />They can't shift it, there's no lines. Less than 1/3 of Manapouri can get anywhere but the smelter (or Invercargill, which has nothing to use it).…</p>
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						<p><q>a working man out of a job was the state’s fault and they’d pay him enough to feed a large family in a free house on a giant section by way of apology.</q></p><p>The unemployed were expected to work. Having a family exempted you to some degree from being directed…</p>
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						<p><q>You know the old pre 1970s left wing Labour governments presided over some pretty inequitable laws and economic policies.</q><br />Horrible stuff, but there's still plenty of it now, just differently targeted. Used to be homosexuality got you some years in prison (as if that would achieve something), while a working…</p>
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						Wow, I just saw 3news. Paddy Gower had an erection live on screen.
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						<p><q>the Muldoon era is hated by nearly everyone.</q></p><p>The hero to zero trajectory can be remarkably short. A 2011 Facebook fan page for Chch Mayor Bob Parker reached North Korean levels of adulation &ndash; 13000+ likes &ndash; before suddenly imploding. I rather wish it had been somehow preserved as an…</p>
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						<p>National are good at getting elected but as soon as they are out people forget them, no one thinks back to the Jim Bolger era as purposeful and the Muldoon era is hated by nearly everyone.</p><p>But yes, we need a nice smiley jokey nice faced Labour leader that young…</p>
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						Labour has to be so many things to so many people and when they upset one set of voters they pay with votes. Piss 3 groups off .....
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						<p><q>That’s just not realistic,</q>That was kind of the point Jack was making – the various media recommendations are contradictory.<br /><q>no alternative but to show some humility</q>to the public? yes, but also to their fellow workers in Opposition. As I’ve already said upthread, I think Labour have to learn to **work…</p>
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						<p><q>Synlait warns</q></p><p>Thanks. Interesting times.</p>
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						<q>To their credit though</q>With banks, their business always, inevitably, is to their credit...
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>Hard to find anything specific to the Waikato. </p><p>This won’t have changed much:-</p><p><a href="http://agrihq.co.nz/article/no-bonanza-to-debt-laden-farmers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://agrihq.co.nz/article/no-bonanza-to-debt-laden-farmers</a></p><p>This is more recent:-</p><p><a href="https://agrihq.co.nz/article/milk-price-below-6.50-will-hurt?p=119" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://agrihq.co.nz/article/milk-price-below-6.50-will-hurt?p=119</a></p>
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				<title>Jack Harrison</title>
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						<p>It’s amazing watching the feedback on Labour in the media, a media who probably will never vote for them anyway. Quite confusing.</p><p> Apparently they need to stop listening to themselves and listen to the people, yet many of their policies tested very well in polling with the very same people.…</p>
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						<p>"If it drops to $5.20 then the average farmer is running at a loss, so they would have to cut back on expenditure reasonably significantly just to break even," he said.</p><p>"It takes a bit of time for it to flow through, if you like, but at $5.20 at the…</p>
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						<p>Naturally. They all saw it coming a couple of years ago and have used the intervening years to adjust debt/ equity lending ratios  by requiring principal repayment,  so that even if dairy farm prices fall significantly , the banks will still make a full recovery on the mortgagee sale.</p><p>To…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s a fairly major blow to many</q></p><p>except bankers, naturally</p>
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						<p>Yes that would be about right. It’s a fairly major blow to many , especially since many farmers have been “buying production”, in the way of urea and PKE etc..<br />There are  some recent conversions that break even on a cash flow basis at $6.75.</p><p>ETA ; which of course…</p>
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						<p>I nearly rang my neighbour a couple of nights ago. I wanted to say  :- " for christ's  sake let that cow go and nuzzle her calf would you. . . . and give the calf a feed so that they can both shut up".</p><p>But that would be VERY…</p>
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						<p><q>forecast for next year is now $5 kg/MS</q></p><p>How many farms are not viable businesses at that payout level, given their indebtedness? Wasn't it something like 20% at $6?</p>
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						I was thinking more of the effect of a very large amount of renewable electricity  becoming available , and its effect on household outgoings.
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						<p><strong>Ruminant ruminations...</strong><br /><q> ...a two-year low</q><br />Who'd live next door to a dairy farm with <br />all that mooing going on constantly, then?</p><p>:-  )</p>
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						<p><q>Are you saying that those are bad things?</q></p><p>Not necessarily. The smelter is a bit like NZ's equivalent of Holden &ndash; hasn't been profitable in years, has become a net recipient of taxpayer dosh, overseas head office isn't interesting in modernising it, and the global market is over-supplied.</p>
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						Are you saying that those are bad things?
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