Perhaps their target market is actually people who will click through, look at it, then tweet about with "WTF is this?!" and then engage in some lolz with their friends about its absurdity.

You have to click through to one of the sites linked from the landing page to get…

Perhaps their target market is actually people who will click through, look at it, then tweet about with "WTF is this?!" and then engage in some lolz with their friends about its absurdity.

Curiously, the same reaction I get when the XT network is advertised.

And they might even be correct in assuming that their target market is over-educated lefties.

Perhaps their target market is actually people who will click through, look at it, then tweet about with "WTF is this?!" and then engage in some lolz with their friends about its absurdity.

Also, very interested in reading the comments on web stats above, thanks Stephen/Mark/Jason et al.

Ta. One thing I should have said: some services can figure out the referring page from cookies, IF the referring page uses the same service. This is how ad companies track you from site to…

Is anyone else a bit weirded out by the new "A Sign of Hope" banner ads that have popped up recently on PA System?

It appears to be promoting the website of some fruity new age group who believe some star is signalling the return of "the World Teacher". And…

Also, very interested in reading the comments on web stats above, thanks…

It appears to be promoting the website of some fruity new age group who believe some star is signalling the return of "the World Teacher". And…

I get completely different results from Google and Statcounter on my Blog. I have no idea why

Google probably has more depth to the numbers.

I look after quite a large number of sites and we use a selection of tracking systems. There are the usual logfiles and then I…

It says to me: "I'm glad we don't host in New Zealand"

I'd call that a better bandwidth plan ;-)

Are services, such as Google Analytics and Nielsen, that use tracking code on third-party websites any different?

Fundamentally, they can't be. All their tracking code does is set cookies and request resources from the third party site that result in log files (or database entries) at the third party site.…

That says to me "buy more storage and get a better bandwidth plan" ;-)

It says to me: "I'm glad we don't host in New Zealand"

Are services, such as Google Analytics and Nielsen, that use tracking code on third-party websites any different?

AFAIK
GA can tell you about your site's activity. It takes its own logfiles based on its monitoring of your site. Each 'page' is tagged and Google keeps count. I'm not aware that…

Having played in the web-serving space for 13 or so years, I'll state with a degree of certainty that log stats are only useful for ...

Are services, such as Google Analytics and Nielsen, that use tracking code on third-party websites any different?

Nielsen and Analytics are generally very close…

Watching players run across the field trailing clouds of steam behind them like Thomas the Tank Engine was quite bizarre.

Not surprising the fog came as there was clearly no wind. The steam stuck around in the air for a minute after a scrum.

I felt like someone needed to…

But srsly, how cold WAS it? Because it looked fairly arctic

'round 2C. But the sun gods are shining on us today. In regards the obnoxious Hurricanes fans, I came close to sticking their bloody electronic foghorns up some place painful. Maybe they were useful in finding their way home!

Russell's paradox
It might be assumed that, for any formal criterion, a set exists whose members are those objects (and only those objects) that satisfy the criterion; but this assumption is disproved by a set containing exactly…

But it was bloody close and a little strange when the fog rolled in. We were sitting behind some very obnoxious Hurricanes fans, so the final result was needed.

Crusaders' shamans needed the practice. But srsly, how cold WAS it? Because it looked fairly arctic. Watching players run across the…

But I'm sure we can distinguish my piddly blog from PA System from log file inspection, even if we don't know what readers were doing.

One thing is comparing life for like, blog for blog (although I have issues for instance with what Tumeke chooses to regard as reliable metrics),…

Makes mental note to include pictures of Ayn Rand in every one of his posts hereinafter

Be prepared for your comments section to get weird.

There is a difference between using a site and ending up on it

I think there's a lot to be said for that Giovannni – some time last year I posted a picture of Ayn Rand on my blog, somehow it rose to the top of the google image results…

But when the statistics are this incredible – a quarter of the country reading blogs, more than the entire national population using trademe every month – you have to let common sense have a say.

I agree – the idea that blogs are more popular than traditional media is patently…

Like I said, I respect what you're doing and applaud the idea of a locally owned online advertising outfit. And I assume you're working/debating in good faith. But from my own experience I'm aware that the number of people reading blogs in this country is microscopically small.

I work…

There it is. That's what bothers me. If it's a way of increasing your advertising muscle, fine – who cares?

That came out all wrong. Nasty. I meant: if you do it to increase you're advertising muscle, fine – but it's a bit like laws and sausages, ie not something…

Oh, and well done the Chiefs.

On their behalf, thank you. But it was bloody close and a little strange when the fog rolled in. We were sitting behind some very obnoxious Hurricanes fans, so the final result was needed.

The number is the number.

And Ii there is an error in the methodology it will not be by an order of magnitude. Via Google Analytics Scoop's audience alone is close to 500k as is Geekzones. The fact that the combined audience of the network is close to 1.3…

And yes it is remarkable that a small group of blogs can have an audience of 1.3 million (which is substantiallly larger than that of all NZ newspapers).

I'd replace the word remarkable with the word unbelievable.

You are correct it is Friday night and late. Gnight.

Giovani,

I am pleased you are flattered :) Albeit not in love with the idea of being lumped in with the Kiwiblog audience. Interestingly there are a lot of demographic similarities between the two. DFs audience is slightly older.…

Am I the only one that finds this idea of "funnell's readers" quite silly? I'm a reader of PAS. I loathe Kiwiblog. Why should I be lumped? Besides, nobody reads ffunnell itself as such, do they?

What you're seeing in ffunnell is a group of independent publishers aggregating to become…

By way of contrast in the US some highly partisan
online discussion communities remain very strongly separated – Freerepublic and DemocraticUnderground for example – and in being so separated just exacerbate the general levels of misunderstanding.

There it is. That's what bothers me. If it's a way of increasing your…

& the Crusaders

As for the hurricanes, ouch.

As of tonight (three weeks into the month) In ranking terms by total audience according to NNR ffunnell enters the horse race among publishers at number 10 in terms of UBs – just behind TVNZ and MediaWorks on 986k and 808k UBs respectively.

On an average daily UBs basis…

Happy to fill you in with some facts regarding readership.

The 1.3 million Unique Browsers figure is based on Google Analytics across the ffunnell network. It is de-duplicated i.e. users are only recorded once if they read Scoop, Public Address and Kiwiblog and the logs show that they do.…

http://tvnz.co.nz/media7

Great show last night RB, very well done, one of the best I have seen

Yes, it was. It was fascinating to see how firmly TV news folk subscribe to 'pictures' with everything--great for teaching codes & conventions! As one commentator has already has already suggested, "TV news" should be properly…

Go The Chiefs!!!

I believe Scoop may have defaulted Kiwiblog simply because it has the most traffic.

Quality versus quantity.

IMHO organisations should be careful lumping the two together – quantity cheapens quality and brand image gets sunk.

Either group all your quantity products together and market these via specific channels, or all…

One of the great things happening in our country at the moment are the "farmers" markets
When we go to Dunedin on Saturdays we go an hour ealier just to see the crowds and buy…

New Zealand blogs are being read by 1.3 million people, and that TradeMe really has 4.6 million visitors/month?

I suppose I'm probably not alone in using one hundred thousand browsers. Very specific needs, you see.

OTOH, if you're suggesting that Google Analytics may be overstating my readership by a factor…

I chatted about this with someone who works on the web site at my university – he candidly admitted that 'number of unique browers' tends to overstate visitor numbers by a factor of about 20.

I'm guessing he was talking about his own logs. It's always something of a disappointment…

The lower case double f in ffunnell makes my heart sing.

But they don't have TeX to get lower case double ffs with ligature.

I expect that the center right's toleration of wingnut sentiment is roughly the equivalent of the center left's toleration of the occasional trotskyite. We live in a spectrum of political viewpoints.

regards
Alastair

With regards to the Kiwiblog, Pundit, PA connurbation I think the thing to realise is that political discourse and debate works best for democracy as a whole when both sides of the debate talk to each other.

I know that every now and then Russell turns up on Kiwiblog (not…

Unfortunately, due to Auckland City Council zoning restrictions, it is not viable to use our original preferred venue which was Grey Lynn Primary School on Surrey Crescent, Grey Lynn.

I've just checked the zoning on this site; it is zoned Special Purpose Activity Zone 2, which provides for Primary, Intermediate,…

The purpose and objectives of ffunnell are explained fairly succinctly in the page linked to in Rusell's post. Basically independent online publisher like ourselves (scoop), Russell, Mauricio (geekzone) and David need a higher quality of representation if we are to be able to earn a buck from our…

alternative info on GLFM from Grey Lynn 2030 site.

I have asked them about this myself but surely if you want contributions you would disclose all of these items up front. Kind of sets the tone.

The…

I'm pleased to say there is only one site on the list I'm really interested in – even scoop seems a little circumlocutory these days.

Perhaps Scoop needs a better angle…

We are currently looking at various venues, including one at a commercial venue off Richmond Road, Grey Lynn. Unfortunately, due to Auckland City Council zoning restrictions, it is not viable to use our original preferred venue which…

banned by zoning laws

WTF ? Get Rodney HIde onto it

The recent Kraftbombs held there have been really popular and the centre location barely copes.

One of the local school grounds might be a better option maybe ?

You'll need to stick to Avondale Markets for while yet.

Is there any sort of automation behind it or is it just being re-directed to their call centre staff to answer when they have down time between calls…

Lets hope some sustainability seeps into the…

My local Farmers Market isn't cheap, it is good, but not cheap.

Kiwiblog needs to severely increase its intellectual rigor and standards somewhat – it is the odd website out in that ffunell arrangement.

Word. My discomfort in having PA linked to Kiwiblog in a commercial venture could only be described as palpable.