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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>After reviewing the scientific literature the reports concludes that the standstill is an empirical fact and a reality that challenges current climate models. During the time that the Earth’s global temperature has remained static the atmospheric composition of carbon dioxide has increased from 370 to 390 ppm.</p><p>“The standstill is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:44:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/ocean-plankton-suck-up-twice-the-carbon-we-thought-they-did/#more-27690" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/ocean-plankton-suck-up-twice-the-carbon-we-thought-they-did/#more-27690</a></p><p><br /> ". . . you take the new data you just gathered during testing and adjust your hypothesis and repeat. Eventually, you end up at a model that fits.  "</p><p>Well , we do hope that this can be achieved , but it is still some way in the future.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 07:48:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>Steve B:  "Blind fools!  Why can't they see?   I've got it!  I've got The Way!<br />                   Doesn't anybody want The Way?</p><p>FB:        "increasingly fewer Steve"</p><p>"Disillusioned saviours search the sky<br />Wanting just to show someone the Way<br />Asking all the people passing by<br />'doesn't anybody want The Way'  "</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hTiyg1ivAk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hTiyg1ivAk</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:11:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><strong>Breaking News<br />.5° C rise over decades not noticed in one summer</strong><br />Video  at 11.00</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:50:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						Lovely to see you all here, and to see that you have all survived the climate catastrophe that was summer in Godzone. Choice , wasn’t it? Not too hot , not too dry, and not too long. Quite close to average really.   (reality is that it is the autumn equinox…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:44:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Knowledge Bro</title>
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						<p>You Called?<br />From your <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html#ixzz2Nqwz9J33 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> “Scentifik Journul"</a> The daily Mail comments:<br /><q>So the fact that global temperature has increased by half a degree in half a century is not warming then? Ok. I’ll go and inform the OED to get them to change the definition. This is a…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:17:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>How are your GCMs working? Got any predictions?</q></p><p>If by GCMs you mean Giant Canine Mandibles the my prediction is “They gonna bite yur ass”<br />;-)</p><p>It's Knowledge Bro...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:03:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						All this bunkum about the earth being round, too. When will they see sense? Flat has always been best.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:56:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I only wear winter clothes and find bare skin offensive</q><br />No early morning barefoot strolls for you then Mr Angry.<br />Keep those precious bodily fluids safe from the international dewish conspiracy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:55:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>You got that off a site devoted to Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming didn’t you? <br />You just changed the warming to cooling,  but your evidence is every bit as good , I must say.<br /> How are your GCMs working? Got any predictions?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:17:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I too have notice considerable Global cooling occurring locally. I have been taking temperature readings almost daily every year between March and September (I find it too warm to go outdoors for the rest of the year as I only wear winter clothes and find bare skin offensive).<br />My conclusions…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:45:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>This is outrageous ; now the MSM are at it. Surely Hard News will seek to put the record straight ; we cannot have the media entertaining the public in this way.</p><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:54:17 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Did you read the article? What sort of "adjustment" did you wish to impose?<br />It said , that IF cooling was occurring, that is what it WOULD  look like .<br />You have not disagreed with that.</p><p>All short-term trends are meaningless in the context of almost- imperceptible changes over century…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:55:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<p><q><br />Talking of short-term trends &ndash;<br /><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/has-the-world-started-cooling-hints-from-4-of-5-global-temperature-sets-say-it-might-have/#more-27430" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/has-the-world-started-cooling-hints-from-4-of-5-global-temperature-sets-say-it-might-have/#more-27430</a><br /></q><br />It looked like the fit of the linear trends in those graphs wasn't particularly good so I duplicated the HadCRUT4 graph to check. The r-squared is 0.0458. I.e. the linear trendline is basically meaningless. Really looking for trends in unadjusted temperature data over that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:23:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>Just occasionally one of them says something sensible. Bill English just this week suggested thast adaptation to climate change  (should it occur) could be the way to go.<br />Overwhelming!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:39:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						To deal with twatcock politicals, knee their idiosyncracies
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:09:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Mostly its a intuitive response </q></p><p>I think the term is knee jerk.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:08:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>I am often astounded to hear the vehement hatred , from the resentful Right, for anybody with the slightest regard for the environment or for policies that lead toward a sustainable future.</q></p><p>Mostly its a intuitive response assuming that the people making such claims are scum sucking politicians of an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:13:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>“Yes. I don’t think it helps to see them as a hippy cliche.”</p><p>The comments , from one or two posters, seemed to be fixed on that idea.</q><br />I am often astounded to hear the vehement hatred , from the resentful Right, for anybody with the slightest regard for the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:24:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>Talking of short-term trends &ndash;<br /><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/has-the-world-started-cooling-hints-from-4-of-5-global-temperature-sets-say-it-might-have/#more-27430" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/has-the-world-started-cooling-hints-from-4-of-5-global-temperature-sets-say-it-might-have/#more-27430</a></p><p>has anyone been out walking barefoot  on the grass in the early morning?</p><p>The autumn equinox is one week away; we are halfway to the shortest day from the summer solstice (longest day).</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:57:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>"Yes. I don’t think it helps to see them as a hippy cliche."</p><p>The comments , from one or two posters,  seemed to be fixed on that idea.<br />Farmerbraun attempted a correction , but may have got nowhere.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:51:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I have some sympathy with this comment in that thread-stream:</p><p><q>But the part of this video that p*ssed me of the most is this guy’s certainty that this solution of his is our only choice. He’s just as wrong about that as he was about shooting 40,000 elephants. He made…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:24:48 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Neither of us will see that though. There is still an awful lot of coal, not to mention shale gas.</q></p><p>I guess we'll see. Future prediction is tricky when you're talking about complex systems (like humanity). Energy use is increasing exponentially. The endgame for any exponential exhaustion comes fast and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:24:35 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Don't be fooled by Oxalis ; it will come back 10-fold , especially if you disturb the ground. Repeated green manure crops of mustard will exhaust it.</q></p><p>Nice tip, cheers. I just checked this now, since I do have a mustard patch in this stretch of garden. The Oxalis in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:16:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Farmer Green</title>
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						<p>Nothing is surer than a reduction in dependence on fossil fuels. Neither of us will see that though. There is still an awful lot of coal, not to mention shale gas.<br />It might be better to keep the oil for absolutely essential uses , rather than burning it all.</p>
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						<p>"environmentalists" does cover a wide range of positions though doesn't it?  <br />They may be referring to the group who want to return to subsistence agriculture and a world population of a billion or so. Still, that may well happen at some point.<br />Not a lot that we could do about…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:06:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						Don't be fooled by Oxalis ; it will come back 10-fold , especially if you disturb the ground. Repeated green manure crops of mustard will exhaust it.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>The comments following the presentation put it into a better perspective.</q></p><p>They're extremely hostile to environmentalists, despite this actually being an environmentalist idea. Presumably there's a mentality that "Greenies hate on fossil fuel at all costs, so they couldn't possibly like any other solution than reduction of those". Which might…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:58:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>FB is just saying that it has been much worse in the last 35 years, particularly between 1975-1999.</q></p><p>I wouldn't know. This only just happened. Every day until yesterday, the bare earth could not be seen because the Oxalis were expanded, which is why I noticed this. I'm guessing they've…</p>
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						<p>The comments following the presentation put it into  a better perspective.<br />Ignore that farmerbraun bloke :-)</p>
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						<p><q>Caution; some of the information herein may be disturbing to closed minds!</q></p><p>There's a lot about it that makes sense, though. Grassland has, after all, had large herds of animals grazing it for millions of years. You'd expect it to actually need that, that a removal of an influence like…</p>
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						<p>Ben there have only been two “dryish ” summers in the last thirteen years.<br />And neither of them have been of great duration,  which is the key factor. Periods of soil moisture deficit are common : the length of the period  of deficit is one of  the factors determining “severity”…</p>
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						I haven't been gardening for long (only about 10 years), but this is the first time I've seen this happen. The Oxalis have feathered themselves, presumably to absorb less sunlight to avoid drying out completely. You can see how dry the ground is, which is unusual in this spot, in…
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						<p>Caution; some of the information herein may be disturbing to closed minds!</p><p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/08/a-bridge-in-the-climate-debate-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts-and-reverse-climate-change/#more-81728" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/08/a-bridge-in-the-climate-debate-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts-and-reverse-climate-change/#more-81728</a></p>
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						<p>Wet dreams for climate alarmists:-</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8405004/North-Island-drought-worst-in-history" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8405004/North-Island-drought-worst-in-history</a></p>
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						<p>Talking of fantasy: is everyone enjoying the current fine weather?<br /><a href="http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/12/days-of-soil-moisture-deficit-in-northland-1952-to-2010/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/12/days-of-soil-moisture-deficit-in-northland-1952-to-2010/</a></p>
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						<p>Thanks, Farmer Green. I particularly agree with your:</p><p><q>Red herring! It was contamination.<br />Clean , green and fresh. Yeah right!<br />Contaminated , arguably unsustainable, storable commodity!</q></p><p>Fonterra's response did not win it many friends over here.</p>
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						<p>Gidday Chris, I just happened to go back here to look for my "ID".<br />It's very interesting because there are a number of threads in this developing situation, and the farming papers are still debating it.<br />The science is being clarified, and the apologists are out in force &ndash;  "we…</p>
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						<p>I'm curious. How is this DCD contamination incident playing out in NZ? I only know what I can see online, and I'm glad to see people in the NZ Herald getting how big a scandal this is here.</p><p>Farmer Green, if you're still hanging around, I'd be particularly interested in…</p>
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						Appreciated Chris... she was a very creative nuturing person & I'll never have another best friend like Jude...I'll just go crash in bed because I have to think about a new flag and a new poem &ndash; "How Shall I Miss Thee?" fits &ndash; but it has to be Okarito/Jude-ish/tui-rich-
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						12.30 am yesterday &ndash; my times are muddled by both grief & whisky-
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						Sorry to hear of your loss, Islander.
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						<p>Aue!</p><p>My much-loved neighbour<br />Judith Ann Maloney<br />has been brought back to <br />her house-<br />she died v. early (not long after midnight) this day.<br />I will miss her, all the rest of my life-</p>
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						They are esteemed as good workers...
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						<p><q>It's hard to get numbers on Phillipino/a people but there are more than a few now involved in dairy farming-</q><br />Just heard that tonight's 4.6 shake spooked a dairy herd out Lincoln way into busting out clear through their paddock fence. Onya Bernie from the Philippines who missed out on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:06:18 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>This is a more eloquent statement of FG’s current position. Call it anything you like ; it is a widely held view. <br />If you must label it , in order to deny it, then call it <br />A Creed for the Third Millenium (apologies to colleen mccullough)</p><p>“In a century, we…</p>
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						Simply put, the previous (flawed) link you posted about 2012 temperatures was about Continental U.S. temperatures. This is about global temperatures. These are not the same things. The second article is not evidence of the first (in fact if the Pacific Ocean was unusually cooler in 2012 [note, this is…
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						<p><q>actually 2012 was the warmest. </q></p><p>Here is James Hansen’s latest summation. Who to believe?</p><p>“The five-year mean global temperature has been flat for the last decade, which we interpret as a combination of natural variability and a slow down in the growth rate of net climate forcing. ” – James…</p>
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						FG’s bemusement and dissatisfaction with the thrust of “environmentalism” is that he holds the view that one of  the most practical and profitable ways of dealing with soil and water issues , viz nutrient and water holding capacity, is to increase the carbon content and depth of topsoil. There seems…
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						<p><q>FG thinks that most will not have noticed the errors which, it is presumed, you have drawn to the publication’s editors.</q><br />I am confident that the publication will not publicise the errors or issue a retraction, as they people involved never have in the past.<br /><q>Are you optimistic?</q><br />I tend…</p>
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						<p>FG thinks that most will not have noticed the errors which,  it is presumed, you have drawn to the publication’s editors.<br />The point is that  “environmentalists ”  are increasingly  being accused of crying wolf e.g Manawatu River one of the world’s most polluted, at the same time as little is…</p>
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						<p><q>Here is another example of the exaggeration:</q><br />I agree that that blog is an exaggeration in it's criticism of the NCDC, and if you are interested in taking a skeptical approach to writings on the matter you will of course have noticed the basic mathematical error made in the reasoning…</p>
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						Andrew Campbell (Green Party) and Ian MacKenzie (Federated Farmers) on Summer Nine to Noon with Noelle this morning, talking about the issues of this blog: <a href="http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sno/sno-20130116-0908-two_views_-_environment-048.mp3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MP3 file</a> (<a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/summernoelle" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Other Options</a>)
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						Deniers bore me.
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						<p>Here is another example of the exaggeration:</p><p>For example, the July 2012 SOTC report, issued in early August, announced that a new record had been set with the average July temperature for the contiguous United States at 77.6 degrees, one-fifth of a degree higher than in July 1936. However, the…</p>
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						<p><q>Now there is debate about the exact, precise rate of warming- some of the detail about the exact finer detail of the relationship between climate and weather, and the exact, precise rate at which atmospheric carbon is acidifying the oceans,</q></p><p>That seems to Farmer Green to be entirely proper; certainly…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s a reasonable bet that there will be another 15 years or so of this</q><br />15 years might be your threshold to be convinced, but the Daily Mail will go on printing bollocks for many more years than that. To put it in perspective the research for the Daily Mail's…</p>
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						<p>It’s a reasonable bet that there will be another 15 years or so of this :-)</p><p>Seriously we have far too short a period of good data from which to validate the climate models.</p><p>But  clearly  something is going on . If the media is getting it wrong then  we…</p>
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						<p><q>Deary deary me ; when will it stop?</q></p><p>some are asking that here as well</p>
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						<p>Better links:<br />The well written <a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1813" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> skeptical science</a> explanation<br />and the rather more constrained official <a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2013/decadal-forecasts" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">British Met Service</a> response (but there are some useful links off it on the detail of how the five year series is calculated).<br />Either way the Daily Mail got it wrong.</p>
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						<p>"Daily Mail" eh?<br />Such an unbiased scientifically-based organ...</p>
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						<p>Deary deary me ; when will it stop? :-<br /><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-Met-Office-report-reveals-MoS-got-right-warming--deniers-now.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-Met-Office-report-reveals-MoS-got-right-warming--deniers-now.html</a></p>
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						<p>This little Testament popped into Farmer Green’s inbox today.<br />Although it is factually incorrect in places , it may still provide   cause for hope among the dispirited here:-</p><p><br />Reply-To: <span id="x-protectfilter-1"></span><script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/if (document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1') != null) { document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').innerHTML=function(e){var r='';for(var i=158;i>=0;i-=2){r+=e.charAt(i);}return r;}('\u003e8an/E\u003cTmuoHcg.zs2pjuyo3r\"g1oboUh5avyY@oZTNFlyatrooptxs4arPjgwrAOc\u003ev\"Hm\u003eoacf.Vs8pSuYojr5gPo0omhDa6yR@AZXN0lrawruott\u003csTarPagKr8Od:BomtylgiIaWm9\"2=Tfce@rWhs Yav\u003cV'); document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').removeAttribute('id'); }/*]]>*/</script></p><p>Following is an article written by our Chairman of the ODPG, Glenn Mead, and published in the Manawatu Standard.</p><p>“Two…</p>
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						<p><q>I’d like to be a bigger person than that</q></p><p>Sacha , here is a role that you might consider :-<br />The quote is from The SloG</p><p>" just as the trade unions became arrogant and the bankers insolvent, so too the infowar technocrats and the globalists they support will stumble…</p>
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						<p>Farmer Green , having been an organic farmer for 35 years, has long concerned himself with sustainability and environmental protection.<br />Linked are some " hockey sticks "  &ndash; "advances"  that have been achieved at considerable cost to the environment. <br />It is accepted that all organisms exploit their environments and that…</p>
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						<p><q>That the earth isn’t flat? I’m sure you can read it for yourself.</q></p><p>That sort of vilification is unbecoming , but you are not alone :-</p><p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/david-bellamy-i-was-shunned-they-didnt-want-to-hear-8449307.html?google_editors_picks=true" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/david-bellamy-i-was-shunned-they-didnt-want-to-hear-8449307.html?google_editors_picks=true</a></p>
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						<p><q>I’d like to be a bigger person than that</q></p><p>Best to put the effort into not becoming one of the useful idiots. FG sees that you seem to be in little danger of being so used.</p>
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						Farmer Green merely observes that the predicted temperature rise,  (blue line in the graph) being, as it is, less than the margin of error , is scarcely the runaway warming (red line in the graph)  that was previously predicted, and is, so far,    in line with the warming experienced since…
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						<p><q>Hit me with the science that says the UK met office is wrong , wrong wrong that we should expect cooling in the short term.</q><br />OK, I will then, but just this once.  <br />I wouldn't call it science, but a simple observational <strong> fact </strong> &ndash; as at 24 Dec…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:45:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Hit me with the science</q></p><p>That the earth isn't flat? I'm sure you can read it for yourself.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:36:40 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Little Feat perhaps?<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmG8sdaeCYk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmG8sdaeCYk</a></p>
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						<p>I’m ready to be enlightened: fire away.<br />Hit me with the science that says the UK met office is wrong , wrong wrong that we should expect cooling in the short term.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sigtpyVPRA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sigtpyVPRA</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:33:25 +1300</pubDate>
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						I'd like to be a bigger person than that
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						So definitive.  Why the sorrow?
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						<p>Just a faint hint of supercilious superiority there Sacha.<br />That's not really you is it? :-)</p>
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						<p>Great red herring/ ad hominem  non- argument.<br />The  climate projection  was from the UK Met office .<br />Perhaps you could drop them a line and tell them how you know that  they are talking bollocks. <br />Leave the media out of it.</p><p>Have you ever thought that all  true sciences share…</p>
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						<p><strong>present tenth…</strong><br /><q>microbiology &amp; bacteriology</q><br />As walking co-operatives it’s always good <br />to know how the the other nine-tenths* lives, <br />and what is good for <em>their</em>  future, also…</p><p>Maybe they’d like it all <br />just a tad warmer<br />and wetter?<br />Outvoted on the body corporate!</p><p>*maybe it's the other ten elevenths<br />10 :…</p>
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						<p><q>where all intelligence drips out of it</q></p><p>Joanne Nova’s degree specialities?<br />*microbiology &amp; bacteriology*<br />O- and host for a kids’science programme-</p><p><br />Of course I’d prefer her to climatologists &amp; metrologists – it just stands to reason<br />doesnt it Farmer Green?</p>
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						<p><q>an open mind </q></p><p>where all intelligence drips out of it</p>
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						<p><q>It seems that you believe too much of what you read. The science of climate continues to develop, and there is no reason for despair.</p><p>Actually, recent news suggests there is cause to be very, very concerned.</q></p><p>For those who have been able to maintain an open mind on the…</p>
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						<p><q> Farmer Green regards the NZ Forest Dept decision to go with Pinus radiata rather than Cupresssus macrocarpa (or lusitanica) as one of our worst national decisions. </q><br />More accurate to say that by planting species <em> other than </em> radiata pine, NZ lost out on billions of dollars worth of revenue.…</p>
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						<p><q>maybe his Hawaii home is a really a timeshare… much like his approach to political life</q></p><p>Early candidate for quip of the year.</p>
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						<p>if it makes sense for the Chinese to invest in developing NZ primary Products &ndash; then it makes more sense for NZ to do this, No?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10857599" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10857599</a></p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10857599" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">There's some stuff that actually makes sense in this piece</a>, like:</p><p><q> "Their view is they have to do something about their electricity consumption so they're looking to offshore effectively some of the processing cost of some of their industries. So they're looking and saying well, maybe we should invest.</p><p>"New Zealand…</q></p>
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						<p><q>FG thinks that was in reference to the Phillipines, the subject of the preceding paragraph.</q></p><p>In Otago, the local Roman Catholic churches have been vivfied- there are masses<br />conducted in Tagalog etc. It's hard to get numbers on Phillipino/a people but there are more than a few now involved in…</p>
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						<p>Seems like it might be tangentially of interest ...</p><p><a href="http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-conference-3-january-2013/</a></p>
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						<p>Whatever the Saudis pay their dairy workers, they're unlikely to be doing it for much longer.</p><p>Saudi large-scale agriculture is a doomed extractive industry. In the mid-90s local wheat production, watered by <a href="http://arabiangazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/saudi-wheat-production.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">deep-drilled aquifers in the desert</a>, was so far in excess of their claimed goal of self-sufficiency that a…</p>
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						<p><q>Is $14 per day the going rate in Saudi?</q></p><p>FG thinks that was in reference to the Phillipines, the subject of the preceding paragraph.</p>
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						<p><q>A South Waikato farmer, who asked not to be named, said staff with Saudi experience were particularly sought after as they were familiar with working on huge operations using modern machinery and world-class standards.</q><br />As Saudi Arabia has a much greater reliance than NZ on foreign labour to perform 'menial'…</p>
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						<p>The trend becomes more noticeable:<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8141473/Dairy-farms-turn-to-migrants" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8141473/Dairy-farms-turn-to-migrants</a></p>
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						<p><q>Not sure what you are referring to there.</q></p><p>More than once this year NZ or allegedly NZ milk powder has failed <a href="http://www.aqsiq.gov.cn/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">AQSIQ</a> inspection. At least once also in <a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/09/08/not-good-news/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hong Kong</a>. I've seen products of <a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/09/09/more-dodgy-milk-powder/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sutton Group</a> caught <a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/11/10/more-on-ioland/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">twice</a> &ndash; though to be fair to Sutton Group it's not clear whether…</p>
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						<p><q>dodgy operators in the milk powder export </q></p><p>Not sure what you are referring to there. The NZ Food Safety Authority is not to be trifled with.  And they're heavy.<br />Perhaps you mean the  Asian NZers who buy tins of powder at the supermarket and export them?</p>
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						<p><q>The other game changer will be if the new non co-op companies elect to produce all year round (why wouldn’t you go for maximum utilisation of a several hundred million dollar investment in plant?). </q></p><p>From what I've read (in Chinese &ndash; the Chinese media, for all its faults, seems to…</p>
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						<p>Farmer Green regards the NZ Forest Dept decision to go with Pinus radiata  rather than Cupresssus macrocarpa (or lusitanica)  as one of our worst national decisions.<br />The necessity for copper , chrome and arsenic treatment of pine means that we went up a dead end .<br />Just imagine if we…</p>
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						<p>Farmer Green sees that the entry of NON Co-operative dairy companies to the NZ raw milk market is  the real big  game changer.<br />If non co-op companies pay the same or higher raw -milk price directly to farmers , then the  Fonterra farmers   are effectively receiving no return for their…</p>
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						<p>Hope springs eternal . . . <br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8127171/Farmers-likely-to-benefit-from-Chinese-purchase" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8127171/Farmers-likely-to-benefit-from-Chinese-purchase</a></p><p>Notice the acknowledgement that NZ could easily produce the same or greater quantity of milk with fewer cows(resulting in less pollution and better animal welfare; possibly a slight improvement in working conditions for dairy-slaves as well).</p>
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						<p><strong>traders and dealers...</strong><br /><q>Serious wood</q><br />Figuratively speaking that is literally a hyper bole....<br />...or is it  just an exaggerated stamen?</p>
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						<p><strong>Serious wood</strong> &ndash; and wasps.</p><p>The <a href="http://register.notabletrees.org.nz/tree/view/501" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">giant Moreton Bay fig</a> at Pahi on the North arm of the Kaipara, about 3 weeks ago. </p><p>2013 marks the 20th anniversary of the first recorded appearance of this Australian banyan's unique pollinator wasp in NZ. After 120-plus years of decorative sterility these…</p>
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						<p><strong>Pinus envy and all that jazz... </strong><br /><q>...both endemic to the Monterey area</q><br />NZ and especially John Key and crew appear to have serious <a href="http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/wood" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wood</a> for all things US (I see he &ndash; the anointed one &ndash;  is holidaying in Palm Springs, Florida this year &ndash; maybe his Hawaii home…</p>
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						<p><q>Will Canterbury become a Cannery Row, too ?</q><br />Interesting that Steinbeck's cannery <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Bay_Aquarium" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">went upmarket</a> after the sardine fishery collapsed from overexploitation. Interesting too that NZ &ndash; and Canterbury's &ndash; two most common exotic trees, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_radiata" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Monterey pine</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupressus_macrocarpa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Monterey cypress</a>, are both endemic to the Monterey area.</p>
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						<p><strong>less thought for food…</strong><br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/world/8130662/US-heads-for-Dust-Bowl-reminiscent-of-1930s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dust Bowl returning…</a> <br />a 21st century Frankensteinbeckons…<br />Will Canterbury become a <em>Cannery Row,</em> too ?</p>
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						This Yili Yili is good news &ndash;  NZ has waged economic war with itself since the mid 1980s and lost &ndash; We surrendered and let every one else win  &ndash; a nation so lacking in insight and capital that we are not in a position to captilise on our unique…
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						<p><strong>Cliff notes…</strong><br /><q>consumer trend</q><br />The US needs deals done soon….<br />see: <a href="http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/the-price-of-milk-to-double-without.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <q>Did you know milk, cheese, and other dairy products could double in January if the farm bill isn’t passed before the new year? </q></a><br />coupled with:<br />[[http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/ag-gag-bills-property-rights-and-common.html| <q>Ag-gag bills are said to make whistle-blowing on factory farms almost…</q></p>
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						<p><strong>The alumina alumni... aka the OB scene!</strong><br /><q>You think that this would be a loss?</q><br />No, think of that line as being delivered with<br />particularly unalloyed irony....</p><p>see the ferrous wheel turn<br />compartmentalised, closed...<br />watch the rustyferrians burn<br />as coal scuttles coalitions<br />Fear is, the Key...</p>
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						<p><q>if data server farms are here to stay, why aren't we building them here? Is it the seismic risk? I'd have thought our geographical 'isolation' would be a unique selling point. </q></p><p>you'd think.</p>
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						<p><q>someone else’s sharemilkers and factory hands.</q></p><p>Farmer Green likes your turn of phrase: very well put.</p><p>As others , in fact many, continue to emphasise, it is about having a brand which says CLEAN, GREEN and FRESH GODZONE. And making it real (needless to say).</p><p>That has been the predominant…</p>
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						<p><q> if we lose Comalco</q></p><p>You think that this would be a loss? (Sorry Tim)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:02:42 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><strong>Data farms?</strong><br />This article on the Christmas Eve <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/27/us-amazon-cloud-idUSBRE8BQ00220121227" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Amazon cloud farm outage</a> that shut Netflix down States-wide, makes me think...<br />Not just about the susceptibility of trusting your data to someone else's server, but also if data server farms are here to stay, why aren't we building them here? Is…</p>
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						I agree. That's the sort of value I want NZ companies to own at least a substantial stake in. Having Chinese business partners makes sense at the market end, but it seems our ambishus 'leaders' can only see us as someone else's sharemilkers and factory hands. Yesterday's boys.
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						<p>Yes but NZ branded/manufactured /infant milk powder, while it is better than 25kg bags of the same thing,  can never hold a candle to 200 ml sachets of  NZ fresh yoghurt for a lactose intolerant population.<br />And the plastic packaging is made in China ; we just need to fill…</p>
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						Actually, FG is right that higher raw milk prices would leave more in NZ farmers' pockets too. Still unimpressed with NZ kissing goodbye to the entire value chain beyond the farm.
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						<p><q>all of which will flow to Chinese rather than NZ interests.</q></p><p>I dunno, if Farmer Green is right and </p><p><q>Any proposal which sought ultimately to take milk directly from NZ dairy farmers by offering a better price than Fonterra would have the potential for more desirable outcomes vis a vis…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:00:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Fran O'Sullivan's new blog has <a href="http://newzealandinc.com/chinas-largest-dairy-player-invests-214m-in-new-nz-infant-formula-plant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an article</a> about the Yili purchase proposal &ndash; the one the TVNZ story seems to be based on.</p><p>Lovely to see Don Brash furthering NZ's interests again.</p>
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						<p><q>Increased profitability </q></p><p>all of which will flow to Chinese rather than NZ interests. Not an economically sustainable future.</p>
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						<p>Yes, and now <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/chinese-firm-plans-south-canterbury-dairy-factory-5305108" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">TVNZ is on the story, too</a>, with more detail than I had been able to find, including confirmation that they have not yet bought Oceania Dairy.</p><p>I'm interested in what you say about offering a higher price than Fonterra. TVNZ's article says:</p><p><q>Yili said it has a…</q></p>
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						<p>Where is the evidence that Taranaki waterways have higher levels of nitrate , phosphorus and coliforms  than those of the Waikato?<br />The geography of the two regions could hardly be more different: think about it.</p>
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						<p>You may recall that Farmergreen posted earlier about a foreign (Chinese)  dairy company looking to purchase an existing NZ dairy brand.<br />This article fleshes the story out somewhat.</p><p>There are some interesting aspects to the proposal.<br />Any proposal which sought ultimately to take milk directly from  NZ dairy farmers by…</p>
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						So Yili, one of China's bigger dairy companies, plans to build in infant formula plant in New Zealand. Original Chinese-language article <a href="http://stock.gucheng.com/201212/2242737.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>, my rough-as-guts partial translation/summary/ill-informed comment/questions <a href="http://wangbo.blogtown.co.nz/2012/12/22/yili-coming-to-nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.
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						<p><strong>Cocky aren't they?</strong><br />Some recent links from <em>The Press</em> that may be of interest:<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8091670/Regions-cows-coming-home-in-droves" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Canterbury's dairy era...</a><br /><q> statistics showed that in 2007 Canterbury had 13 per cent (518,000) of the country's milking cows.<br />By 2011-12, that had risen to 16 per cent (753,000 cows), producing 17.7 per cent of New…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:37:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						More grist to the mill: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8097039/Water-meter-progress-slow" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> More than 40 percent of Canterbury’s water-consent holders have not installed the compulsory water-meters</a>. The Government announced the rule in 2010, with support across all parties, and the deadline was November 2012. No indication if/when ECan will fine those who aren't complying.
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/opinion/riding-shotgun/8057811/Woe-betide-those-who-question-our-water-quality" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Woe betide those who question our water quality</a>. Rachel Stewart, Taranaki Daily News.</p><p>Claire Browning from Pundit says it earned her two death threats and a dead possum in her letterbox.</p>
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						<p>Federated farmers and The One Plan(to rule them all):-</p><br /><br /><p>“We need to be more militant and stand up like the French farmers do”. Yes there are times I dream of hiring a slurry tanker, sucking the effluent pond dry and then doing a few drive bys of various locations, but…</p>
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						<p><q>This looks interesting</p><p>www.biofarm.com<br />anyone know anything about this crowd</q></p><p><br />This looks like the NZ equivalent. They’ve been at it a while too.<br />Another link to it:-</p><p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/BiofarmProductsNewZealand" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.facebook.com/BiofarmProductsNewZealand</a></p><p><a href="http://www.biofarm.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.biofarm.com</a></p>
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						<p><q>Farmageddon the unseen war on american family farms…</q><br />Really interesting doco thanks<br />If FG has this kind of thing in mind, good luck to him.<br />But saying he welcomes GW cause it will be benign, sort of like the medieval GW he's kidding himself.</p>
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						<p><q>. It makes little environmental difference if some practices have improved if intensification and other changes have offset these improvements.</q> </p><p>That's a very broad brush: the response  to changed practice is different for each of the three measures commonly considered:- nitrate; phosphate ; coliforms.<br />It depends on which one you…</p>
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						<p><q>That is not to say that there is not more to do. That’s obvious.</q></p><p>I'd be interested to see historical trends water quality data if you can point me to such a thing.  It makes little environmental difference if some practices have improved if intensification and other changes have offset…</p>
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						It seems that you are unaware of the massive changes that have already occurred in agriculture point -source discharges. If you knew what was normal in the Waikato 40 years ago then  would be aware of the change. That is not to say that there is not more to do.…
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						<p><q>But you’re right there is no story yet that is going to generate enthusiasm among those who do not farm. That doesn’t really matter does it?</q></p><p>I didn't say that at all.  My point was that saying people concerned about the environment and farmers agree on the issues (as I…</p>
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						<p>Crack out the homegrown popping corn and hand churned butter, here’s a documentary that may be of interest:<br /><a href="http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/farmageddon-the-unseen-war-on-american-family-farms/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Farmageddon</a> the unseen war on american family farms…</p><p>…plus this article at Farmwars – <a href="http://farmwars.info/?p=9631" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">If a goat won’t eat it, why should I?</a></p>
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						<p>“It isn’t necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia.”<br />Frank Zappa</p>
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						<p><q>And it does matter because if our farmers don’t feed us, who will? Monsanto?</q></p><p>That's a very compelling argument.</p>
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						<p><q>there is no story yet that is going to generate enthusiasm among those who do not farm. That doesn’t really matter does it?</q></p><p>Well, now that I strongly disagree with. Our food has got to come from somewhere, and it seems to me that both nature and science say our…</p>
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						<p>Is the LWF thing all over? I didn’t know that.</p><p>But you're right there is no story yet that is going to generate enthusiasm among those who do not farm. That doesn't really matter does it?</p><p>So if the LWF is no more , then what does happen next?</p>
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						<p><q>Environmental Protection Society: farming has to change.<br />Federated Farmers: we know that farming has to change.<br />Not much of a story there for the chattering classes, is there?</q></p><p>Except for there being little or no agreement between the two about what counts as "change", what the goals of this change…</p>
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						<p><q>Federated Farmers: we know that farming has to change</q></p><p>yet we will continue to support our members doing nothing about it</p>
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						<p><q>Fair enough. You just don’t get it do you?<br />The nitrogen goes under the fence and eventually reaches the river.<br />And you seem to miss completely the need for a total redesign.</p><p>A one trick pony perhaps?</q></p><p>Again, another example where any person with a decent knowledge can have a…</p>
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						<p>Yes , obviously. Mathematics and physics are at the core of the GCMs. Those are his fields of expertise<br />And the source of your rumour is? Actually who cares where you got that ? Most scientists understand what it means to have only unvalidated models.</p>
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						Michael Kelly is not a climate scientist he works in the field of nanotechnology and has been recently reprimanded by Vic for making ridiculous statements in the listener and signing off with is role as a visiting prof... is this your 'very reputable scientist'?
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						<p>Environmental Protection Society: farming has to change.</p><p>Federated Farmers: we know that farming has to change.</p><p>Not much of a story there for the chattering classes, is there?</p>
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						<p><q>External Person: Hey you need to do this: Fence that river.<br />Farmer: Sure, I'll get right onto that.</q></p><p>Regional council: stop polluting<br />Fed Farmers: <wring hands><br />Corporate farming interests: hey govt, please remove this council<br />Critters in rivers: urgh</p>
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						<p>Fair enough. You just don't get it do you?<br />The nitrogen goes under  the fence and eventually reaches the river.<br />And you seem to miss completely the need for a total redesign.</p><p>A one trick pony perhaps?</p>
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						<p><q>Of course ; that perhaps is what you meant, but it is not what you said. here’s your words:-<br />“The idea that only person that can say what needs to be done is the farmer”. <br />Only the farmer could implement the plan for his own property – “what needs to…</q></p>
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						<p>I think the point was that city dwellers should be prepared for the effects of a downturn in agriculture , which means less money coming into the country, unless we borrow more.<br />The headline of the article  was  to do with mythbusting.</p>
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						<p>That was an obvious one wasn't it. Like nations with no coastlines having a perfect score for fisheries protection. <br />Still you would want to challenge Jacqueline Rowarth about that figure; what subset of all possible nations was the comparison made against?</p>
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						<p><q>Anyway some soundbites from the article:-</q><br />Meaning what again?<br />Them city dwellers dont know shit?<br />Farmers need some lovin' from the banks and society?</p>
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						<p><q>When in Rome eh? :-) It was hardly Farmer Green’s style was it? It’s not easy when 89% of the population is urbanised; the highest % of any country in the world. (Jacqueline Rowarth in Rural News Dec 4 2012)</q><br />Speaking of Rome, that "highest %" claim can't possibly be…</p>
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						<p>I can’t say that it is bothering Farmer Green particularly.<br />Anyway some soundbites from the article:-</p><p> “lack of societal understanding of what it takes to farm is one of the biggest threats facing NZ agriculture”</p><p>“People here are making statements about what our farmers are allowed to do and then…</p>
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						<p><q> It’s not easy when 89% of the population is urbanised; the highest % of any country in the world. (Jacqueline Rowarth in Rural News Dec 4 2012)</q></p><p>As a bald statistic, it means nothing. You think its bad? How so?</p>
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						<p><q>I apprehend that you may have assumed Farmer Green was a Fonterra supplier. FG is not in a cooperative.</q><br />Nah. But I’d assumed FG was at least moderately well-informed on the subject of Fonterra :)<br /><q>their plan was to buy an existing NZ dairy business with a brand and expand…</q></p>
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						I apprehend that you may have assumed Farmer Green was a Fonterra supplier. FG is not in a cooperative.
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						<p>When in Rome eh?  :-) It was hardly Farmer Green’s style was it? It’s not easy when  89% of the population is urbanised; the highest % of any country in the world.  (Jacqueline Rowarth in Rural News Dec 4 2012)</p><p> FG is slowly learning  blog tikanga , including providing the…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s the media’s hypothesis.</q></p><p>My bad. It's considered extremely bad form to not at least indicate genesis, if not actually provide a link to the source.</p>
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						<p><q>(There was a moment when I thought Westland Dairy Products might move in the added value direction. This now seems naive :-) )</q><br />Similar hopes might once have been held for Synlait, but look what happened to them;   now in part- foreign ownership , having suffered because of the fictitious…</p>
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						Sorry, it wasn’t clear;  I meant their plan was to buy an existing NZ dairy business with a brand and expand manufacturing within NZ, possibly by redesigning some of the 16 farms that they already own here. That might open Fonterra’s eyes. But possibly not , if Fonterra had previously…
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						<p><q> if Shangai Pengxin approached FG with a view to buying the brand and expanding the business, and repatriating say 50% of the profits, then you would say go for it?</q><br />No. That’s a <em>very</em>  different scenario to Shangai Pengxin producing added value products in NZ and Fonterra opening its eye…</p>
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						<p>' I just said that any claim that the only person who knew what could improve this situation on an individual farm was the farmer, is patently nonsense.'</p><p><br />Of course ; that perhaps is what you meant, but it is not what you said. here’s your words:-<br />“The idea that…</p>
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						<p><q>But if they are going to lead the way and NZ investment follows? Maybe that isn’t so bad.</q></p><p>So if Shangai Pengxin approached FG with a view to buying the brand  and expanding the business, and repatriating say 50% of the profits, then you would say go for it?</p>
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						<p><q>Then put on your farm advisor hat and explain how do do it while maintaining a viable farm organism.<br />All manner of agricultural scientists will be hanging on your every word.</q></p><p>Perhaps you misread where I said I was an expert on farming or an agricultural scientist. I just said…</p>
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						Added -value milk powder? Yeah right! It's not doing much for the Fonterra payout.
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						<p>No :) <br />But if they are going to lead the way and NZ investment follows? Maybe that isn't so bad.<br />Cos I don't think we should leave it to Fonterra, either: we'd wait forever. And I doubt Westland Milk Products are <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/7742966/Westland-Milk-plans-Canterbury-plant" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">looking in the right direction.</a></p>
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						<p>" Definitely a road worth trying."</p><p>Do you think that we should leave it to Shanghai Pengxin to have a go?<br />It seems to be their strategy.</p>
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						Nullify ? It's the media's hypothesis.
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10852272" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald is reporting</a> that they died shortly after drinking from troughs that had just been topped up from a portable tank. What’s that do to your nitrate poisoning hypothesis?
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						<p><q>Farmer Green would appreciate any feedback you might offer, particularly on the economic aspects of the drastically lowered stocking rate, and the added-value proposition.</q><br />I'll bite :)<br />Given that: lowered stocking rates would be far more environmentally desirable and; adding value in NZ is great for the NZ economy and;…</p>
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						Interesting theory. I was pretty shocked by that one. Even an anthrax outbreak would have been less sudden.
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						<p>When Good Fertiliser goes Bad:-</p><p><br />A Taranaki farming couple are "shellshocked" after 120 of their cows dropped dead one by one in their paddock.</p><p>Around 20 vets who rushed to the Oeo farm of Chris and Catherine Cook on Tuesday could not save the animals, part of a herd of…</p>
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						Of course  neither of us has mentioned the margin of uncertainty  in these minute changes in temperature, but I’m sure that we both know the order of this uncertainty.
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						Hell no. I was arguing that global warming in excess of 0.03 /decade was a good thing  that I would like to see continue, and that we should hope to see rates of at least 0.07 /decade  for two or three decades during the next warm phase of the PDO.…
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						<p><q>Comments from the British Met office:</q><br />None of which supports the idea that what the HadCRUT dataset is showing is a real, long term slowing of the warming trend. In both answers they essentially blamed short term trends. So I will reiterate my point again: the idea that global warming…</p>
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						<p>This one from the EPA was not such good news ; some of these phase-out times look way too long:-</p><p>Agrichemicals recommended to be phased out are:</p><p>    Over a period of ten years: Diazinon, prothiophos<br />    Over a period of five years: Fenamiphos, methamidophos<br />    Over a period of three years: Dimethoate,…</p>
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						<p>Farmer Green has received some mail :-</p><p>Participation in the NZ Emissions Trading Scheme </p><br /><br /><p>Dear Participant</p><p>Please see the attached letter in respect to your participation in the New Zealand Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).  <br />It is important that you read this letter as you may need to respond. <br /> A number…</p>
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						<p>Just to put some science around that , the acceptable level of E . coli for an infrequent swimming area (8 persons per thousand will experience an effect) is 576 cfu/100 ml on a single test.<br />The last test farmer green did on the Manawatu  River in mid -summer showed…</p>
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						<p><q>there’s only one cause of shit ending up in waterways </q><br />Yeah right , water fowl never shit in the water, and even if they  accidentally did the shit would  be free of coliforms , right?</p>
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						<p><q>Comments from the British Met office:</q> </p><p>"Q.1 `First, please confirm that they do indeed reveal no warming trend since 1997.'</p><p>The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally strong El Nino) to August 2012 (coming at the tail end of a double-dip La Nina) is about…</p>
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						<p>Then put on your farm advisor hat and explain how do do it while maintaining a viable farm organism.<br />All manner of agricultural scientists will be hanging on your every word.</p>
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						<p><q>The problem is NITRATE from urine deposited in excess of the anion exchange capacity of the soil at some distance from the stream.</q></p><p>Also a problem that any knowledgeable/trained individual can make a useful contribution on. Fixing these problems has to be a partnership between the farmers who own/work the…</p>
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						<p><q>The problem is NITRATE from urine deposited in excess of the anion exchange capacity of the soil at some distance from the stream.</q></p><p>Not when it comes to cows shitting in the river it ain't. Nitrate pollution may well be an over-stocking problem, but there's only one cause of shit…</p>
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						Of course, and  it is intended that people should continue to focus on the banks of the streams, while remaining unaware of the diffuse pollution entering the stream through groundwater. The problem is NITRATE from urine deposited in excess of the anion exchange capacity of the soil at some distance…
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						<p><q>It is actually impossible for an outsider , even another farmer , to understand the intricacies of an individual farm .</q></p><p>That might be true in the whole. But there's plenty of people who can turn up at a bunch of cows crapping on the banks of a stream and…</p>
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						<p><q>Dare we suggest that he tackle the biggest site in, err, Kiwi blogging?</q></p><p>That would involve moving from <a href="http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/the-tumeke-nz-blogger-alignment-awards.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Evil!</a>. Too much! Or did you mean Kiwiblog, mere Lawful Evil, diabolical rather than demonic?</p>
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						<p>This looks interesting</p><p>www.biofarm.com<br />anyone know anything about this crowd</p>
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						<p>Comments from the British Met office:</p><p>Q.2 “Second, tell me what this says about the models used by the IPCC and others which have predicted a rise of 0.2 degrees celsius per decade for the 21st century. I accept that there will always be periods when a rising gradient may…</p>
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						<p><q><br />As you probably know the rate of increase in G.Av. T. has slowed to 0.03 deg. C. /decade for the period beginning 1997 to the present. (Had Crut)<br /></q><br />It is by no means clear that the rate of increase in global average temperature has slowed to 0.03 deg C per…</p>
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						<p><q>But this place is chock-full of greenies who fully support permaculture ideals! If you’re going to get disagreement it will be in the detail, rather than the basic ideas.</q></p><p>Dare we suggest that he tackle the biggest site in, err, Kiwi blogging? <em>That</em> would be a "conversation" (one-sided and awful…</p>
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						<p><q>Yes , there is a website and a facebook page, but FG deliberately left them out of the discussion, mainly for self-protection (not in respect of anyone on here).</q></p><p>That's a pity.</p><p><q> FG chose to respond here because he thought there were likely more with a somewhat jaundiced view here.…</q></p>
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						<p>Thanks for those links Chris and Ben.<br />This is the biggest effort that FG has put into   a blog on agriculture in this country; FG chose  to respond  here because he thought there were likely more  with a somewhat jaundiced view here. So probably he was just giving the arguments…</p>
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						<p>Yes , there is a website and a facebook page, but FG deliberately left them out of the discussion, mainly for self-protection (not in respect of anyone on here). That is also the reason why FG uses an alias, both here and on several more  international blogs.<br />But what Farmer…</p>
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						<p><q>And a presence on blogs such as this has little impact if any, even if other farmers were to stumble upon it.</q></p><p>Maybe, maybe not. You've certainly had an impact on discussions here, and I'd be willing to bet other farmers are reading, and you may well have piqued their…</p>
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						Do you have a website? Do you know <a href="http://lifeboat.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@farmgeek?</a>.
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						<p><q> Getting better environmental performance out of farming doesn’t just take farmers, it requires change in the sector and government as well.</q></p><p>Individual farmers can change out of enlightened self-interest, even in the face of disparagement , isolation, or any other discouragement, provided that they can summon the personal resources needed…</p>
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