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Rosemary McDonald

Fri, 18 Sept 2015 12:34:52 +1200

Toby Manhire's last column for the Herald?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11514702

Advice to "Malco" Turnbull....

Be yourself. But choose which bit of yourself depending on the audience.

In Parliament, seethe at the infighting opposition; rile them up, all cutting jibes and sick burns. Outside the house, tone it down a notch. Remember there…

chris

Fri, 11 Sept 2015 20:50:46 +1200

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chris

Fri, 11 Sept 2015 20:10:50 +1200

I believed Greenwald. It appears not enough other people did, or simply didn’t pay him enough attention, to make a difference to National getting elected and IMP getting routed. Dotcom acknowledged that he was “poison” to Mana. I expect that the same applies to Greenwald’s message. Is this anecdote sufficient?…

nzlemming

Fri, 11 Sept 2015 19:07:07 +1200

Perhaps we can just agree on Fuck John Key?

Not even with yours.

Steve Parks

Tue, 08 Sept 2015 03:22:21 +1200

In the context of this thread, my question is whether you see this undermining as some kind of natural occurrence like a sinkhole or whether it was actively undermined by a pliant media?

While I love your wording, I have to answer that you’re being simplistic: the (broadly) pliant media…

chris

Fri, 04 Sept 2015 11:52:21 +1200

With only 13.1% unbelievers, I don’t see the credibility of the messengers being the issue here. This propaganda touting the need for such surveillance had already established itself as the standard authoritarian line around the globe, it was being pushed hard by Key well before Greenwald arrived. 86.8% of those…

chris

Fri, 04 Sept 2015 11:51:15 +1200

Yeah. I mean, who would have imagined that directly aligning yourself with someone that even some on the left were wary of, or outright critical of, and who has a personal gripe with PM, might undermine your message? Definitely hindsight required.

In the context of this thread, my question is…

Steve Parks

Fri, 04 Sept 2015 03:05:42 +1200

To be fair, put yourself in their shoes and…

chris

Thu, 03 Sept 2015 14:32:36 +1200

Lest we forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zootMY429g

chris

Thu, 03 Sept 2015 13:35:32 +1200

I just think it’s a fairly revisionist point to be making:

To be fair, Greenwald did bring that result on himself, to some degree. His close alignment with Dotcom wasn’t the best judgment call of his career.

To be fair, put yourself in their shoes and see if you would…

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 03 Sept 2015 12:34:40 +1200

Well said !

chris

Thu, 03 Sept 2015 11:42:13 +1200

I don’t know, who’d have imagined that collaboration with an individual who’d had his house raided by 76 officers using subsequently invalidated warrants, (that the Crown knew were the wrong order while the raid was in progress and that Dotcom should have been given the chance to challenge the seizure)…

Steve Parks

Thu, 03 Sept 2015 05:07:06 +1200

There would have been some but that’s a fairly select grouping Steve. I imagine it would not include those who had already bought into the PM’s line on Hager as “left wing conspiracy theorist” following the release of Dirty Politics – a work that sold all of 10,000 copies plus…

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 01 Sept 2015 18:59:59 +1200

Rightly or not, it lessened his credibility with a certain portion of his audience in NZ. And it didn't seem to help Dotcom much anyway.

The machine behind National went into action and denigrated anyone (and still do) who showed up to question the Government and it's seedy invasion of…

chris

Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:52:35 +1200

a certain portion of his audience in NZ

Steve Parks

Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:19:17 +1200

To be fair, put yourself in their shoes and see if you would come up with the same conclusions.

I wouldn't have.

That Greenwald saw this and wanted to help , may have been about that and nothing to do with “his career”.

I'm not suggesting that Greenwald supported Dotcom…

Rosemary McDonald

Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:03:48 +1200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CABCIseO8Zo

nzlemming

Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:51:36 +1200

I doubt the Herald will be keeping Peter Lyons on for long, either...

RBentley

Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:21:03 +1200

Funny, I have never thought of Hosking as a journalist.

chris

Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:05:38 +1200

Likewise Greenwald’s reporting was lost in the jello wrestling bout between Key and Dotcom

Inside New Zealand certainly.

The passiveness of was lost can be taken out of context to ignore the agents of obfuscation that wittingly or unwittingly contributed to minimising the importance of the core issues:

So we…

Alfie

Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:18:56 +1200

All of them (Dotcom included) know how this Government works. That they chose to try and tell the NZ public was a public service in my mind.
+1

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:41:29 +1200

To be fair, Greenwald did bring that result on himself, to some degree. His close alignment with Dotcom wasn't the best judgment call of his career.

To be fair, put yourself in their shoes and see if you would come up with the same conclusions. Experience can bring people together.…

andin

Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:00:05 +1200

we still long for certainty and admire it in others.

Otherwise known as hell on earth, or a fools paradise
take your pick

Steve Parks

Sun, 30 Aug 2015 00:57:10 +1200

Likewise Greenwald’s reporting was lost in the jello wrestling bout between Key and Dotcom.

To be fair, Greenwald did bring that result on himself, to some degree. His close alignment with Dotcom wasn't the best judgment call of his career.

Rob Stowell

Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:01:23 +1200

John Key does it too and relishes it. He has an opinion on everything and has decided he knows best. It’s rather handy Hosking agrees with him.
What makes both stand out from almost everyone else in the NZ blathersphere is the degree of confidence they display in ther opinions.…

Russell Brown

Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:50:15 +1200

Just FYI, I talked to Michelle Dickinson yesterday and confirmed that while Callaghan pays her for writing the column, it's not directly paying the Herald.

Sofie Bribiesca

Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:09:33 +1200

I still reckon Hosking is a self absorbed cuff snapping patronising waste of carbon ...

Ohh you're too nice. :)

Sofie Bribiesca

Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:08:37 +1200

because how can someone being drained of that much opinion possibly be always sincere about what they say, if a few hours later they have to churn out more opinion?

John Key does it too and relishes it. He has an opinion on everything and has decided he knows best.…

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 29 Aug 2015 06:59:37 +1200

its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/
I still reckon Hosking is a self absorbed cuff snapping patronising waste of carbon ...

Tim Croft

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:38:01 +1200

Yes, I have often thought this about people in such roles. Is there actually time to experience the world and understand it if you're constantly hurrying from one studio to the next? Or do you just end up becoming a 'braindead megaphone' because how can someone being drained of that…

chris

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:17:02 +1200

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/

Sacha

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:02:16 +1200

Spot the difference – via Twitr.

Sacha

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:49:01 +1200

The 7 minute segment

andin

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:39:32 +1200

But he lacks empathy, self-awareness and insight.
Not much of a human being then.

And I thought some people have two
Shit spewing from both ends ... kinda Hangover Pt7
Oh! Your not talking about arseholes

Kumara Republic

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:21:45 +1200

Not surprisingly, the Nats sacked the nanny!

And I assure you, this column is not an outlier.

Is 'fiddling while Rome burns' the polar opposite of 'nanny statism'?

If 'nanny statism' was the knockout blow for the Clark Govt, then 'fiddling while Rome burns' could be the same for the…

Joe Wylie

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:01:59 +1200

And the only thing Mike Hosking is missing right now is a giant telescreen.

True, though I suspect his enduring qualities are more Lord Haw-Haw than Big Brother.

Kumara Republic

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:56:53 +1200

Not gonna happen. Apart from anything else, being big and cross-platform might be the only way to survive and prosper in the new media environment. It’s not a good time to be an indie.

Yep, while the Internet has proven to be a disruptive force to old media, it hasn’t…

llew40

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:50:28 +1200

I'm aware (as others are on here no doubt) of good journalists who are – through pressures of commercial imperatives – writing much more clickbait than they used to. The traditional business model of media, under siege from digitisation, globalization, citizen journalism, bloggers, pr, social media, dying ad revenue, declining…

chris

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:20:33 +1200

It is sad that we will never see stories about Pike River, Health and Safety legislation or Christchurch earthquake issues on the light-weight Story

Or possibly that we will, if one of those issues again scales the heights of peak talkback. We may or may not hear from an actual…

Hilary Stace

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:46:57 +1200

It is sad that we will never see stories about Pike River, Health and Safety legislation or Christchurch earthquake issues on the light-weight Story. Instead we get endorsements of that rape-culture-endorsing Edge radio station.

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 28 Aug 2015 07:14:10 +1200

There is only one thing worse than being talked about
and that is not being talked about.
Oscar Wild.

'A poet can survive everything but a misprint.
Oscar Wilde

;- )

giovanni tiso

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:43:05 +1200

And I assure you, this column is not an outlier.

If I'm feeling down about my writing I read one of Soper's columns and quickly start believing I'm Nadine fucking Gordimer.

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:31:47 +1200

One observation: the Newstalk ZB-TVNZ double act that Hosking has effectively inherited from Holmes is extremely onerous. Coming down from being "on" doesn't leave a lot of time for thinking and researching.

Also, you've got to be pretty weird to even be capable of doing it.

Talk radio itself is…

Joe Wylie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:40:27 +1200

Mr Henry on morning telly

Mate, "we need more open minds like his".

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:35:11 +1200

Not been watching Mr Henry on morning telly but is it the same mash of radio and tv conventions?

I should check it out more (I do not watch breakfast television) – bits I've seen haven't actually been terrible.

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:31:21 +1200

Over on Pundit a little while ago, Tim Watkin was arguing that Hosking, Henry, Espiner, Williams, Garner and Campbell were all ‘talented question-askers’ who have ‘earned it’ with their ‘broadcast skill’. I asked him what exactly Hosking ‘does’ and what his ‘skill’ is. Didn’t get a very convincing answer.

Hosking…

Sacha

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:28:51 +1200

Not been watching Mr Henry on morning telly but is it the same mash of radio and tv conventions?

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:16:35 +1200

I tried reading his column today. It doesn’t even make sense, nor is it readable.

It occurs to me that he writes for himself to speak. because that’s what he’s used to. That can be a good way to write, but the syntax of commercial talk radio tends to look…

Ewan Morris

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:41:41 +1200

Over on Pundit a little while ago, Tim Watkin was arguing that Hosking, Henry, Espiner, Williams, Garner and Campbell were all 'talented question-askers' who have 'earned it' with their 'broadcast skill'. I asked him what exactly Hosking 'does' and what his 'skill' is. Didn't get a very convincing answer.

william blake

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:18:47 +1200

There is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about.

Oscar Wild.

Tinakori

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:45:49 +1200

"....his endless editorials are inevitably full of mistakes and misapprehensions, especially on any economic matter."

That's how I feel about Dita De Boni, I'm afraid.

"Du Fresne is a puzzle. His feature writing is generally excellent. His columns, or worse, his blog posts, are often weird and cranky"

My test…

Eric Rowe

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:42:50 +1200

It interesting to note that Radio took control of Media Works and NZME because their boards looked at revenue figures and they were the only media not declining. The obvious mistake here is that it isn't because of amazing thought leadership and a great channel, but simply because Radio will…

Carol Stewart

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:38:50 +1200

Du Fresne is a puzzle. His feature writing is generally excellent. His columns, or worse, his blog posts, are often weird and cranky.

They're pretty much all weird and cranky. His DomPost column last week, bagging Otago University public health researchers, was a shocker. Luckily a few people struck back…

Joe Wylie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 18:22:38 +1200

...and that Winston Peters is a fan.
Those wild double-breasted boys back in the day.

Hilary Stace

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:52:46 +1200

__Hosking wanted to be a broadcaster from the age of 12. Five years later he was at Radio Windy, writing advertising copy and smoking 20 cigars a day. Now, at just 25, his voice is familiar to 200,000 people between Radio Northland in Whangarei and Radio Southland in Invercargill ....…

Sacha

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:40:23 +1200

as a journalist, if he is one, there is a code of ethics he should be expected to uphold.

And that's the only reason the coward is claiming not to be one.

Andre

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:39:46 +1200

When Frank Haden used to edit and write for publications I worked on I'd often quiz him on his Sunday Star Times columns. He was a nice man and could tackle topics like the launch of Kiwibank in a positive style and the Foreshore and Seabed Bill with no obvious…

Josie McNaught

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:50:54 +1200

If Hosking is not a journalist (which begs the question – what tribe does he belong to – the 50 year old blowhards club perhaps?) then he isn't entitled to any of the privileges and/or defences that are afforded to those who do happily own up to being part of…

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:39:28 +1200

Look, as someone who enjoys well expressed opinion from any part of the left/right continuum, I don’t find any difference whatsoever between Mike Hosking and Dita De Boni. Both appear to express themselves wholly in cliches and are long on unsupported assertion and short on penetrating analysis.

We will have…

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:37 +1200

Correction: Judith Collins gets paid by the SST, and donates the money to the Totara South Auckland Hospice. Goff hasn’t made a similar declaration for the register of pecuniary interest, but it could be a simple oversight – I’ve asked Jonathan Milne on Twitter.

Oops. Thanks.

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:32:39 +1200

Happening all over. Tuned into Story for the first time last night only to find a plug for the hideousness that is The Edge (both in terms of music and personality) being given a plug (during radio ratings week, of course), for it’s supremely awful marriage before you meet promotion.…

giovanni tiso

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:22:16 +1200

The tedious tit-for-tat columns that Judith Collins and Phil Goff get their staff to write in the Sunday Star Times are, similarly, funded from your tax dollars, rather than the paper's editorial budget.

Correction: Judith Collins gets paid by the SST, and donates the money to the Totara South Auckland…

chris

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:21:29 +1200

Is it all this airy-fairy?

Yep. End of week one, Duncan gave Heather a hottie, Heather decided instead to give it away, Duncan looked hurt. Target age bracket 7-12.

Katharine Moody

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:20:12 +1200

The Onion take on it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo

Fiona Mckenzie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:19:07 +1200

"Mike Hosking is a New Zealand television and radio journalist and presenter." He must have lied in his job interview – this is how he's described on the 7 Sharp website.

Andre

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:17:12 +1200

The main prime-time TV current affairs analysis programme showing on the government-owned TV network should report for the people, not the government.
For years I could change channels between CloseUp and Campbell Live and see them running exactly the same stories. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that…

Jackie Clark

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:06:15 +1200

I am incredibly proud to out Dita as part of my #kapawhaea for the refuge. She is a kind, compassionate woman and I have always enjoyed her columns. Her words, this morning, hit me right in the heart, and it saddens me to know that her voice, and that of…

izogi

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:55:29 +1200

Tuned into Story for the first time last night

I properly watched a clip for the first time on Tuesday, which turned out to be the chap who was refused entry to Rockpool because of his non-gang face tattoos. (Episode link, it’s part 2.)

All they seemed to do was…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:53:56 +1200

her Masterton origins

I went to Masterton once. Sample conversation:
You're from *outside*? I've always wanted to go somewhere outside Masterton once, like maybe Carterton or Martinborough, but I've never been able to find the way.
Is it true about oceans? And cities?

Sofie Bribiesca

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:51:48 +1200

He claimed he's not a journalist but someone in his comments today suggested he should take the journalist claim out of his facebook profile as that would be confusing. I dont have anything to do with facebook or know how it works but I gather he has friends on face…

Joe Wylie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:23:39 +1200

Maybe there is something in the Wellington and Wairarapa water?

Rosemary McLeod used to be fond of reminding her readers of her Masterton origins. On recent evidence it's high time someone turned off the bloody tap.

Mark Graham

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:18:45 +1200

Happening all over. Tuned into Story for the first time last night only to find a plug for the hideousness that is The Edge (both in terms of music and personality) being given a plug (during radio ratings week, of course), for it's supremely awful marriage before you meet promotion.…

Tinakori

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:43 +1200

".......it'd be forgotten by the next election, and all their mouthpieces would be long gone."

And so would the media platforms for any opinion outside of state broadcasting.

Look, as someone who enjoys well expressed opinion from any part of the left/right continuum, I don't find any difference whatsoever between…

izogi

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:36 +1200

When did anyone think Hosking was a journalist?

I think many people don’t, and some people don’t really care enough to think about it.

For me, the fact that he’s not a journalist is a symptom of the greater problem, which is that his singular opinion on everything has effectively…

chris

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:45:47 +1200

When did anyone think Hosking was a journalist?

I fear that this does work in his favour somewhat. In the parlance of the times – citing Google:

a person who writes for newspapers or magazines or prepares news to be broadcast on radio or television.
“foreign journalists had been expelled…

David MacGregor

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:32:10 +1200

In the last phase of the previous election The Internet Party's 'Moment of Truth' promised something that it didn't deliver, sadly. But it did demonstrate that here in New Zealand we have a tendency to celebrate the messenger, no matter what the message is. Glenn Greenwald was vilified, just as…

chris

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:23:15 +1200

he is not, as is widely supposed a journalist

Channeling Simon Sweetman.

Michael Meyers

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:11:13 +1200

I'm actually completely fine with Hosking not being a journalist, and everyone being aware of that

I hadn't realised until recently that NZ Herald and Newstalk ZB were tied in together through NZME. I sort of assumed that Hosking was getting his gig with the Herald because they thought he…

Peter Martin

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:09:01 +1200

There is a distinct possibility of a lack of diversity that reflects the populace and instead a dull hum of sameness.

What happened to Tapu Misa?

Jason Kemp

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:57:29 +1200

I do recall hearing Mike Hosking on Radio NZ rather a long time ago. Back then I’m fairly sure he was paid to be a journalist. Now it appears that he is being paid to be himself which is rather less interesting for everybody.

The NZherald seems to have gone…

bob daktari

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:53:53 +1200

I'm actually completely fine with Hosking not being a journalist

same – though the distinction between what he is and what some think he is has little bearing on what he gets to say to so many New Zealander's, the majority of whom don't make the distinction between job titles…

James W

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:42:20 +1200

When did anyone think Hosking was a journalist? Did anyone think Paul Holmes was? And Hosking's entire career is modelled after him. He's literally taken over every position the man had.

I'm actually completely fine with Hosking not being a journalist, and everyone being aware of that. Everyone has a…

Bart Janssen

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:38:50 +1200

“my glass half-full view of the world might just happen to coincide with the glass half-full view of the Government” and declares himself to “have been glass half-full for about 50 years”

Which is simply a lie, intentional or simply because he fails to remember the vitriol he spilled over…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:37:04 +1200

This is fixable:
– ban on foreign media ownership
– ban on cross media ownership of a radio station, TV station or newspaper in the same market
– levy on monopoly newspapers to fund alternative media
– end to public subsidy (through license fee holidays, fake bankruptcies and the like)…

Fiona Mckenzie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:13:48 +1200

Hosking is pretentiousness personified – evidenced here in his glee at being mistaken for a journalist. TVNZ needs to cease trying to dress up 7 Sharp as being part of news and current affairs then – simply call it "Hosking" , play it mid morning or mid afternoon like the…

Alfie

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:10:36 +1200

I'll miss her pieces. They provided a commonsense voice in an otherwise increasingly pro-government media landscape. Which TV programme is she involved with?

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 13:05:40 +1200

Why did she move on? I understand the final shot, but not the move. Mostly because I’m not paying attention, though. What’s she moving to?

Her main gig is as a TV producer. The Herald dropped her column for budgetary reasons.

BenWilson

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:59:58 +1200

Mike Hosking has a confused and self-serving column

...at all times.

Why did she move on? I understand the final shot, but not the move. Mostly because I'm not paying attention, though. What's she moving to?

Russell Brown

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:56:43 +1200

I sometimes wonder if overseas trends of media consolidation have arrived in NZ. It’d be worth a look by the Commerce Commission, if it hasn’t already been plagued with regulatory capture.

Not gonna happen. Apart from anything else, being big and cross-platform might be the only way to survive and…

Sacha

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:39:51 +1200

Hosking's smug relativism ought to be irrelevant if our media regulatory system was working. He's welcome to his own stupid thoughts in his local cafe, but not trumpeted all over airwaves that come with obligations because of their power.

Kumara Republic

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:36:56 +1200

It’s more like this: Hosking’s thoughts are automatically echoed in the Herald because Newstalk ZB and the Herald are part of the same company, NZME, and Hosking is one of NZME’s banner names. The company wants both to promote Hosking and reticulate traffic through its different media assets. (TVNZ is…

Public Address

Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:36:56 +1200

Discussion from blog post.