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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Verily. Those who can afford to dine out can bloody well pay the price, rather than it landing on the shoulders of low-paid workers.</q></p><p>Just to reiterate there are a whole <a href="https://therealness.world/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">bunch of restaurant owners</a> who make a point of paying decent wages with reasonable conditions. And yes it costs…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 09:15:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						<p>Oh, this is well known in studies in NZ and the US and elsewhere. And that there is no real downside for a conservative politician to piss all over poor people.</p><p>They both knew what they were saying when they said it. It's how English can say things like that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2017 22:45:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>This isn't an accident, it's a deliberate policy setting to support businesses that would (and should) fail under a living wage.</p><p>If you can't run a restaurant and pay a living wage then the question is "should you be running a restaurant?", not "how can we get cheaper labour?".</q></p><p>Verily.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 21:48:20 +1200</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/330226/few-beneficiaries-fail-pre-employment-drug-tests" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Still care to justify Bill English's argument now, Mr Hooton?</a>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2017 17:19:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>While that emergent class of brave new bureaucrats were initially able to bully nurses when awarding themselves free parking while introducing charges for medical staff, their resolve rapidly crumbled once the doctors got wind of the attempted shafting.</q></p><p>Watching the Trumpcare debacle unfold in the States, the Crown Health Enterprise…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 16:43:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Are you saying that that's too broad, that it doesn't cover what a degree used to be, that it isn't actually being measured against by NZQA, or that degree holding should be limited to institutions that were universities in 1965 or whenever because tradition?</q></p><p>No, all I'm saying is that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 14:59:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>What we can say is that<br />(i) there's a broader range of qualification labels out there, which makes it harder for students (or employers) to assess the meaning of the qualification or its relevance to requirements of a specific job; and <br />(ii) in practice, some institutions that have been assessed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 13:44:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Yes. The basic problem (and one that’s become increasingly more serious over the past decade) is that in NZ, relevant qualifications and skills generally aren’t as highly valued, and don’t translate to as high a wage increase</q></p><p>It's really pretty annoying to have a parade of business people trotted out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 13:25:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>There's a clear definition of a Bachelors degree here: <a href="http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/assets/Studying-in-NZ/New-Zealand-Qualification-Framework/requirements-nzqf.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/assets/Studying-in-NZ/New-Zealand-Qualification-Framework/requirements-nzqf.pdf</a></p><p>Are you saying that that's too broad, that it doesn't cover what a degree used to be, that it isn't actually being measured against by NZQA, or that degree holding should be limited to institutions that were universities in 1965…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>[Highly trained hospitality workers] get paid more [overseas]?</q>Yes. The basic problem (and one that’s become increasingly more serious over the past decade) is that in NZ, relevant qualifications and skills generally aren’t as highly valued, and don’t translate to as high a wage increase, as in Australia. So we muddle…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 11:46:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Susan Snowdon</title>
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						And how come chiropractors in NZ now call themselves doctors? Do they have doctorates? Are they medical doctors? Where does this come from?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 10:37:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Anyway at some point folks decided to include all sorts of post high school training and learning as tertiary education. Rightly so. All those training/education schemes "add value" to the people who take them and add value to society.</q></p><p>I suspect that the high water mark for that kind of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 10:25:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>as highly trained New Zealand chefs and other hospitality workers were opting to work overseas.</q></p><p>Where they get paid more???????</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 10:19:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>the infrastructure deficit in NZ is a massive, massive problem</q></p><p>This is the key.</p><p>If we had the capacity to house and transport and fairly pay these immigrants we wouldn't be having the panic attack we are having.</p><p>For the last two to three decades we've had governments, both national…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 10:15:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    Mmmm yeah I’d like to see the real numbers on this, I suspect that a lot of the export earnings in this area come at diploma level, not degree.</p><p>Fair call. You may well be right.</q></p><p>Part of that is the expansion of the definition of "tertiary degree". Way (way…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2017 09:55:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn't this tend to support the prime minister's comments that unemployed kiwis are all lazy or on drugs?</q></p><p>Alcohol abuse here is common, yes, but broader than the unemployed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 22:14:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Finally, Paul Spoonley has admitted:</p><p><q>There is a case for revising aspects of the recruitment and approval of immigrants. The low value courses and qualifications offered by some educational providers puts New Zealand’s reputation at risk.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11847932" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11847932</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 21:28:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>unemployed kiwis are all lazy or on drugs</q></p><p>Just to turn it around all employed kiwis are one step away from being exploitative condescending psychopaths who dont give a fuck about anyone or anything but their comfort and self image. Sorta like Trump, who being a human, exhibits traits that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 14:12:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Opting to work overseas might be for the experience and more interesting work and lifestyle...but it might also be because the pay here is so poor.</q></p><p>And high living costs, especially in Auckland. We can thank in large part the housing bubble for that. And the self-appointed landed gentry who…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2017 00:09:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn't this tend to support the prime minister's comments that unemployed kiwis are all lazy or on drugs? And hasn't the blogo- and twitter-spheres already decided that was nonsense?</q></p><p>Ever thought for a moment that substance abuse is a symptom, rather than a cause, of societal malaise? And remind me…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 23:50:43 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>The last Indian restaurant I went to (about 6 weeks ago) had two Pakeha uni students as waiting staff &ndash; the waitress said that she had been eating there since she was a child and loved it so it seemed like a natural fit.   </p><p>I suspect non-Indians find working in…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t this tend to support the prime minister’s comments that unemployed kiwis are all lazy or on drugs?</q></p><p>No, it doesn't. That's quite ridiculous. You'll need to provide a bit more evidence for that claim than a third hand story about a guy hiring cheap immigrants in his kitchen and…</p>
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						<p><q>Mr Sahrawat said the pool of local talent was already low as highly trained New Zealand chefs and other hospitality workers were opting to work overseas.</q></p><p>Doesn’t this tend to suggest that pre-NCEA schools (of the kind Mr Hooton attended) were rubbish at teaching logic and reasoning?</p><p>Ahh…Steve got in…</p>
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						Compare and contrast Peter Davis and Matthew Hooton. It's a pity one has so much prominence in our country.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 19:03:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						The PM's facile comments do rather more to support the conclusion that National politicians are lazy or on drugs.
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						<p>Yes it does suggest NZ employers don't pay well...because in the same article ....</p><p><q>Mr Sahrawat said the pool of local talent was already low as highly trained New Zealand chefs and other hospitality workers were opting to work overseas.</q></p><p>Opting to work overseas might be for the experience and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 15:33:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						No...perhaps kiwis prefer to have jobs that pay well without insane hours.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 15:21:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>“You love the naan bread, right? The man who’s cooking this bread won’t be around if immigration [rules change]… I’d rather hire a Kiwi, but you know what, I can’t find them.”</q></p><p>Doesn't this tend to support the prime minister's comments that unemployed kiwis are all lazy or on drugs?…</p>
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						<q>It's now sixteen years since the University of Wollongong fired &ndash; and was later forced to reinstate &ndash; a staff whistleblower who went public with his concerns about the deliberate downgrading of academic standards in pursuit of foreign student cash. Strangely enough, the problem seems to persist in one form…</q>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I don't think we'll run out of restaurants and cafes, somehow. Maybe we could be like Switzerland, where eating out, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">even McDonalds</a>, is quite expensive, so people just have to think about whether they cook for themselves more?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Video: Cassia owner Chand Saharawat accepts the Metro Restaurant of the Year award for the second year running – and <a href="http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/top-restaurant-owners-call-out-govt-over-immigration-plans/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">slams the government’s new policy on “low-skilled” workers from from the stage</a>.</p><p><q>"You love the naan bread, right? The man who’s cooking this bread won’t be around if immigration [rules…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Just looking at the graph, the obvious question to ask is what happened in and since 2013-2014 to cause the migration figures to go completely out of whack? Brexit and Trump can’t explain the trend that started in 2013-2014.</q></p><p>I may have mentioned this before. For us, the catalyst for…</p>
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						<p>Peter Davis said:<br />(2) Working holidays visas. There are a lot of these, but I cannot see how these are anything more than tourist visas for young people who are allowed to work part of the time. These are not serious migrants in the sense of being "new settlers", although…</p>
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						<q>NZ (especially, Auckland) is also not reliably more affordable than Sydney, for example – but we do offer a flexible range of entry routes to suit even the lowest-proficiency cases (e.g., starting at an accredited language school, then into a university-run English proficiency programme, and finally into degree courses proper).</q>…
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						Yes, it is sobering that the regulatory authorities &ndash; in education and immigration &ndash; have not got a handle on these obvious scams that come up repeatedly. They sour the legitimate education sector and give the NZ image a bad name overseas. I just cannot understand why these obvious scams…
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						<p><q> affordable educational option for upwardly moving Chinese</q>I’d agree with that as far as it goes – but still these are not Hooten’s “lower middle class”. <br />NZ (especially, Auckland) is also not <em>reliably</em> more affordable than Sydney, for example – but we do offer a flexible range of entry routes to…</p>
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						<p><q>I'm an ESL teacher, so maintaining high incoming numbers is in my best interests, but I don't think it's sustainable.</q></p><p>I read somewhere a few years back that there were reports of foreign students commenting that they saw too many of their fellow citizens at the same tertiary institute. One…</p>
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						<p><q>When we hired UK people for that, they were usually hopeless in some way.</q></p><p>Would they have been British Leyland workers in a previous life?</p>
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						<p><q>If you're talking about China, it's the poorer end of the upper class who end up in NZ. The airfares and the living expenses in Auckland are beyond the means of the middle class. So, yes, it favours the prosperous. Period.</q></p><p>I had a conversation about this with my HK…</p>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p><q>If there’s a magic number that balances the need for in-demand labour categories against growing infrastructure costs, I’d really like to see it.</q></p><p>I follow a lot of local government issues &ndash; and my pretty sound impression is that the infrastructure deficit in NZ is a massive, massive problem -…</p>
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						<p><q>what happened in and since 2013-2014</q></p><p>For one thing the govt released the handbrake. And about that time the Christchurch rebuild would have been kicking into top gear.</p>
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						<p><q>Don’t you think NZ is great because it has a small population?</q></p><p>Reckon. Sort of. It's also what makes us kinda suck. </p><p>If there's a magic number that balances the need for in-demand labour categories against growing infrastructure costs, I'd really like to see it.</p>
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						<p>Yes, all good and valid insights. The percentage of 'good' vs 'dodgy' PTEs would be an interesting study;</p><p><a href="https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/education-quals-study/pathway-education-providers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/education-quals-study/pathway-education-providers</a></p><p>But not necessarily in the government's interest to do in an objective and honest manner.</p>
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						Yes, "Cornell" has been prominent on Queen St for years, and just illustrates the difference between a lovely budget spreadsheet in the Beehive and the sordid reality on the ground. To say this is a sound industry is like producing knock-off Louis Vuitton bags and claiming to be a centre…
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						<p><q>all the “Do Not Swim / Collect Shellfish” signs all over the show. 100% Pure?</q></p><p>Yes. the ptb of Maoridom have had enough;</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92110692/iwi-leader-makes-foreshore-and-sea-bed-claim-on-behalf-of-all-maori" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92110692/iwi-leader-makes-foreshore-and-sea-bed-claim-on-behalf-of-all-maori</a></p><p>I hope they do well.. as frankly it would be hard for any alternate governance model to do worse.</p>
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						<p><q>Most of them are also not from the places that come to mind when we talk about immigration. The UK is the largest source of work visa migrants, while China and India account for only a small proportion.</q></p><p>I’m not sure where that data came from, as Micheal Reddell does…</p>
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						<p>Speaking of dodgy places with fancy names ....</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11840377" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11840377</a></p><p>How this "Cornell" is allowed to operate legally with this name I have no idea, but it is a pile of sleaze in the middle of our "education precinct".</p>
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						Just looking at the graph, the obvious question to ask is what happened in and since 2013-2014 to cause the migration figures to go completely out of whack? Brexit and Trump can't explain the trend that started in 2013-2014.
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						<p><q>People who aren’t lifers are more likely to have a positive attitude to the job, precisely because they wont be doing it forever.</q></p><p>Awesome though that sounds for any employer, it's harder to see it as good in the social balance.</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t buy this argument, especially not as it stands right now.</q></p><p>It's not an argument for things to stay as they are, just an acknowledgement of where we are.</p><p><q>Raising wage up to the living wage is simply a necessary cost to pay for a humane society.</q></p><p>It's an…</p>
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						<p><q>Try […] to find a builder in Auckland […] who is not literally on crack</q>Ooh. Hadn’t realised builder’s crack was quite that serious a problem —  <br />thought it was just something you got with plumbers.</p>
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						<p><q>Talking to people who own bars and the like, it’s often a similar thing here. People who aren’t lifers are more likely to have a positive attitude to the job, precisely because they wont be doing it forever.</q></p><p>Actually it's not explicitly stated, but many small businesses actually rely on…</p>
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						<p>I'm an ESL teacher, so maintaining high incoming numbers is in my best interests, but I don't think it's sustainable.</p><p>The standard of most educational institutions (not mine) is a lot worse than Russell imagines, I think. They will pass anyone to keep the numbers up. There are students who…</p>
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						<p><q>Talking to people who own bars and the like, it’s often a similar thing here. People who aren’t lifers are more likely to have a positive attitude to the job, precisely because they wont be doing it forever.</q></p><p>Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at in the post.</p>
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						<q>isn’t that we have better teaching</q>Well, some ESL programmes would probably beg to differ on that :-). But certainly, for my students, study abroad in NZ is no cheaper (and depending on the wildly fluctuating exchange rate, has sometimes been significantly more expensive) than comparable programmes in Australia or America.…
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						<p>And our primary competitive advantage in "educating" foreign students isn't that we have better teaching, or we're cheap, or we're such an amazing place to study in.</p><p>It's that we aren't assholes and we try not to treat paying customers as criminals (as our principal competitors in the Australia, the…</p>
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						Some years ago I had a startup in London. We needed people to do a fairly low level data entry job, and we found that NZers and Aussies were best for that job, mostly because it wasn't going to be their life, they were just earning money to be in…
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						That's work visas. How many white Europeans are overstaying and working without the correct visas? I bet it's into the thousands.
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						<p><q>I’m surprised to see Germany and France so high. </q></p><p>No surprise for those of us who spend most of our time travelling and sharing campsites with this group.</p><p>These are the Young People,  often doing a 'gap' year  between secondary and tertiary education, who arrive here with the intention of…</p>
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						<p>And from RNZ: <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/329800/foreign-student-numbers-jump" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Foreign student numbers jump</a></p><p><q>A jump in enrolments from China and the Americas will push the number of foreign students in New Zealand past 130,000 this year, Education New Zealand says.</p><p>The government agency responsible for the international education sector said the students would spend about $4.5…</q></p>
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						<p>Bloomberg gets onto the story: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-26/kiwis-get-twitchy-as-foreigners-flock-to-new-zealand-and-don-t-leave?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&amp;utm_content=business&amp;utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&amp;utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=social" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kiwis Get Twitchy as Foreigners Flock to New Zealand and Don't Leave</a>.</p><p><q>An unprecedented influx of immigrants is exacerbating a housing shortage and stretching infrastructure such as schools and hospitals, sparking heated political debate around the issue ahead of this year's general election.</p><p>"Now, more than…</q></p>
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						<q>But it’s easy for me to preach about how I wouldn’t mind higher prices, considering I also have reasonable income. The worst part about the idea of forcing work standards is that it can certainly enforce a lot of suffering directly onto the poorest people in the short term. WOFs…</q>
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						<p><q>I remember my favourite Indian restaurant for ages had stunning quality at insanely cheap prices. Then they got busted for exploiting their staff badly</q></p><p>Living in Auckland's CBD I'm very happy to eat cheap takeaway food and drink cut-price alcohol, served by workers below the minimum wage. Occasionally the media…</p>
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						<p><q>These are not good things about Uber.</q></p><p>I was disgusted to read the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11847280" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald on Sunday editorial</a> suggesting that the Uber driver who added a return Akl-Wgtn trip at the END of his shift should be treated as a hero. I wonder if they'd maintain that attitude if he'd fallen asleep…</p>
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						<p><q>Their argument for more migrant work force is that the Auckland taste buds will be the loser if they don’t get more migrant workers. I thought it was BS. </q></p><p>The worst part is that it's probably true. I remember my favourite Indian restaurant for ages had stunning quality at insanely…</p>
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						<q>(1) What has really changed on the migration stats? The key thing is people (rightly) mention "net migration". We are not necessarily getting a whole lot more people flooding in. The big change is that fewer NZers are leaving and many more are returning. So, the net figures are up.…</q>
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						<p>I agree. Employers keep demanding overseas migrants to fill jobs because a) they don’t want to pay higher wages and b) they don’t want to train up staff, they want off-the-shelves solutions. It is the growth-at-all-cost-damn-the-consequence mentality.</p><p>I was listening to a RNZ Checkpoint segment on Friday, talking about how…</p>
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						FWIW, Uber drivers are entirely under the radar. Uber is not an official employer in NZ at all. Drivers can, and do, have their income directly deposited into foreign accounts, and the origin is an offshore company. The passenger payments are all directly to Uber BV, so there is literally…
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						I'm surprised to see Germany and France so high. People on holidays, working in the meantime? Students? <em>Au pair</em> workers? I confess to being quite shocked at some friends who employ <em>au pair</em> girls, all of whom have been from Germany. There's something not quite Kiwi about that.
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						<p>Here are some comments that occur to me in reading this post and the responses.<br />(1) What has really changed on the migration stats? The key thing is people (rightly) mention "net migration". We are not necessarily getting a whole lot more people flooding in. The big change is that…</p>
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						<p>"The UK is the largest source of work visa migrants, while China and India account for only a small proportion."</p><p>Not true. India is the largest source, by work visas approved, for calendar year 2016. From data on the Statistics NZ website (the same that Andrew Little got his notorious…</p>
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						<q> It’s not only prices – and let’s be real, Auckland’s housing unaffordabilty has multiple causes – but supply. The numbers are striking. According to Statistcs NZ, Auckland’s new-dwellings shortfall versus poulation growth is running at around 5000 a year. The cumulative shortfall from 1012 to 2016 was more than 20,000.…</q>
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						<p><q>Mmmm yeah I’d like to see the real numbers on this, I suspect that a lot of the export earnings in this area come at diploma level, not degree.</q></p><p>Fair call. You may well be right.</p>
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						<p>NZ has nearly 1/3 of the <em>average</em> population density of the occupied landmass, and is in the bottom fifth of the world's countries in density. </p><p>Sure, Australia and Canada are less dense, but they are HUGE countries, full of desert in the one and tundra and ice in the other.…</p>
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						<q>I think it is worse than this. Many of those who would most benefit from higher education are unable to attend in full the courses that they are paying for. They are busy trying to work at the same time. It is very difficult to succeed let alone excel under…</q>
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						<p><q>New Zealand's tourism boom has propelled the industry past dairy as the top export earner</q></p><p>So, is that better or worse for global warming and the NZ environment? And is tourist excrement in our picnic areas better or worse than cow excrement in our rivers?</p>
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						<p><q>In addition because our major export is dairy</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11847120" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hold the phone</a>:</p><p><q>New Zealand's tourism boom has propelled the industry past dairy as the top export earner as the number of visitors increased by one million in the past six years.</p><p>For the year ending December last year total exports of dairy…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Especially when those in the most dire need of a skills upgrade are the ones least able to afford it, or otherwise aren't suited to traditional tertiary study.</q></p><p>I think it is worse than this.  Many of those who would most benefit from higher education are unable to attend in…</p>
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						<p><q>In addition because our major export is dairy, that is a land restricted activity which won't increase with population.</q></p><p>And NZ has struggled to monetise its local innovators who could reduce the nation's dairy industry dependency, because most of the local investment capital has gone into the housing bubble instead…</p>
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						<p>>I think New Zealand could do with a larger population in the longer term </p><p>Why?</p><p>Don't you think NZ is great because it has a small population? Our big cities are practically land locked. and greater populations just mean increased density, more pollution, and reduced quality of living. The 1/4…</p>
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						<p>Further to my previous post, NZ is probably down there with the US on investment in labour market adjustment. Or if it is actually better, then such programmes are fragmented and not widely known.</p><p><a href="https://psmag.com/this-chart-helps-explain-why-people-in-the-rust-belt-are-fed-up-dfe331a1c097" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This Chart Helps Explain Why People in the Rust Belt Are Fed Up</a></p>
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						<q>I do think there's a strong case for at least temporarily taking the heat out of record net migration trends. Indeed, so do all Parliamentary parties with the exception of Act (so long as the leafy lanes of Epsom are left undisturbed, presumably) and possibly United Future. It's hugely incumbent…</q>
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						If you're talking about China, it's the poorer end of the <em>upper</em> class who end up in NZ. The airfares and the living expenses in Auckland are beyond the means of the middle class. So, yes, it favours the prosperous. Period.
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						<p><q>It's not "anti-racist" &ndash; it's a policy that ignores the poor and welcomes the prosperous.</q></p><p>I'm not sure it welcomes the poor or the prosperous, but more those at the poorer end of the middle class who want to emigrate and can't get into Europe, US, Canada etc. I also…</p>
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						One of the problems with our immigration debate is the lazy comparison with developed nations in the Northern hemisphere, for no better reason than the easy copy'n'paste availability of international media coverage. A simple example: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91930541/i-cant-disagree-strongly-enough-with-the-perception-of-too-many-migrants" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this opinion piece</a> &ndash; perfectly valid in itself &ndash; is illustrated by Stuff with two…
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						Agree. Also, I think we fool ourselves if we think Chinese, Indian or Saudi parents send their beloved (maybe only) children to New Zealand as a first choice. The kids we get tend to be those who couldn't get into an English-language university in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, Singapore…
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						<p><q>But international education is a significant export earner for New Zealand. And if you're talking about high-value immigration, already-settled people with tertiary degrees would seem to fit that bill.</q></p><p>Mmmm yeah I'd like to see the real numbers on this, I suspect that a lot of the export earnings in…</p>
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