I just don't make a habit of desperately avoiding rough people, when they seem to have a genuine point, or real talent.

Neither do I.

I don't see what 'real talent' has to do with Kyle's point about regular workplaces. As for having 'a genuine point', I think most or…

-professional coaches
-artists
-teachers
-office managers
-high powered currency traders
-stockbrokers
-truck drivers

all of…

Try a building site...

...Or warehouses, even shops (though not where the customers can hear). The only reason I think it got any coverage was the liberal use of the F-bomb

No no, I don't think the swearing per se was the main attention grabber. And I have worked in…

Try academia. Imagine a boss who yells out in great detail her fantasies of an underling's sexual infidelities at meetings while suffering the delusion that she's being witty.

This sort of thing was routine with her, and not the worst. Anyone who…

Yikes. I work in a pretty normal workplace (bank central office), and someone would most certainly not get away with such an outburst. Same with any regular workplace I’ve previously worked.

You're talking about offices. Try a building site; Christian Bale's got nothing on some of those guys.

I am quite honestly surprised by how normal or justifiable some of you think this is.

Maybe it’s because Ben’s worked in some pretty tough work places, by the sound…

You wouldn't hear that 220 second rant in any normal workplace.

I not only would hear such things, I have…

Having said that, as an actor and as a lighting designer/rigger/operator, you don't mess with gear during a take, or even a rehearsal. It's incredibly unprofessional.

Absolutely. I'm surprised the DP needed to be told this once, let alone twice or more on set. The DP on a major movie…

But isn't there a point at which 'he deserved to be yelled at' morphs into 'whoa, but not *that* much yelling!'?

I agree, and I think it may be that the difference betwwen justified and unjustified yelling may just be a quantitative one – it only takes so long to…

Hurlbut was a putz and deserved a good reaming

But isn't there a point at which 'he deserved to be yelled at' morphs into 'whoa, but not *that* much yelling!'? Obviously, the point at which this occurs, for me, is quite early on – say, a minute or less.

I'm…

When was the last time anyone buying a movie ticket gave a shit who the Director of Photography is?

I care who the DP is.

I wouldn't go to a film just because of the DP, but then I wouldn't go to a film just because of a particular actor…

What does she actually *do*?

I'm sure everyone is hoping I'm going to treat that as a rhetorical question. :) But I guess when you're laying down that amount of money at a high-class whorehouse with a Fortune 500 client list, iron-clad discretion would be high on the list. Kristin…

Wall street lawyers, investment bankers, CEOs and media executives often used corporate credit cards to pay for $2,000 an hour prostitutes

See, if you massively overcompensated executives don't want the plebs to think that big business is just a giant pyramid scheme, perhaps you could stop doing shit like that.…

Don't know about anyone else, but that gets my outrage-o-meter tingling a damn sight more than Christian Bale.

Yes, quite.

Wall street lawyers, investment bankers, CEOs and media executives often used corporate credit cards to pay…

The 2004 remake of Dawn was far superior to his 1978 version, including in acting (which isn't saying very much).

while I enjoyed the remake, the original has to be taken in context of the time it was produced.
it was very shocking for its time, ground breaking.
it also…

TVNZ's strategic relationship with Google doesn't seem to help a lot. The reverse, by the look of it.

sounds like they're tied up with a knotty problem; D Looking forward to it.

Was there another discussion I missed?

maybe he's just a sensitive artist type.
at the time I thought he was treated aggressively, and there's nothing wrong with that if you're up for it. He apparently wasn't.

[[http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,1429,hard_news_inimical_to_the_public_good.sm?p=73809#post73809| russell says "Woah again. Let's not be raggin' on Mark or the rest…

Was there another discussion I missed?

maybe he's just a sensitive artist type.
at the time I thought he was treated aggressively, and there's nothing wrong with that if you're up for it. He apparently wasn't.

russell says "Woah again. Let's not be "

Hey Russell, have you stopped putting episodes up on youtube, or is it just a holiday delay?

Apparently there are technical issues: TVNZ haven't been able to upload to YouTube and don't seem to have had a fix from Google/YouTube. yet.

TVNZ's strategic relationship with Google doesn't seem to help…

They needed Bale because Arnie got elected, it's not exactly a franchise built on quality acting.

Respect Bale's dedication.
or you'll get chopped up with an axe listening to Huey

Oh what tosh. If you listen to the clip again, you can hear movement as he says that. Either Bale has moved in a threatening way, or the other guy has reacted. It certainly wasn't a "I'm going to kick your arse, haha!" line.

Yeah, I could hear him…

Was there another discussion I missed?

No, there wasn't. I think at one point I reminded people to respect the fact that Mark had come on to put his case, but I don't think it got unpleasant at all.

Having not seen the show, are APRA supporting 92A and the disconnections, or are they proposing a scheme whereby the users downloading material, are billed by their ISPs for downloads so they can distribute the money to their artists?

APRA have publicly supported s92a and disconnections.

Unless Russell removed an outbreak of rudeness, which he sometimes does, I don't see where Mark's comments were treated harshly – in fact people tried to…

Clearly a "university" that I've worked for and isn't Victoria (though that has had its…

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

so nothing for the people that record them (studios, mates with computers), nothing for the graphic artists that design the gatefold package for them, the printer that prints the artwork, posters pamplets and presskits, nothing…

I guess I do feel we have had APRA and others in the room (for example, at Select Committee and an MED workshop) but never had any inkling that they recognised…

The 2004 remake of Dawn was far superior to his 1978 version, including in acting (which isn't saying very much).

As good a remake as it was, I can't really agree with that- partly because it seemed to broadbrush a lot of the gallows humour and the subtext of the…

The 2004 remake of Dawn was far…

like i said from the get go, Russell's quote, echoed the voices from the ministry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture

Again, I don't see how merely saying that something is a force for an idea is the same as saying that it is "required" or even the only such force.

only you saying that Sacha.

Scarily, that outburst has nothing on the notorious Lily Tomlin vs David O Russel I Heart Huckabeesbitchfight (warning: probably best not to play this at full volume)

And what lesson do we take from that, children? Don't even try to mix it up with someone who was telling Robert Altman…

Mark, to me there is a big difference between the idea of a national culture and actual state-annointed propaganda.

I can see how something like APRA's silver scrolls might fit into the former but not the latter, so some of the comparisons upthread seem a bit of a stretch.

To…

And then re-shoot the entire movie.

Your ears must be good that they can see things. Have to get me some of them ;)

Maybe if Hollywood started treating actors like people, rather than fragile glass, they'd start to behave more like it.

No doubt it'd be very expensive once…

we recorded another Media7 last night, with a panel on Fiji and the media (David Robie, Barbara Dreaver, Robert Khan

I found the points of view of the panel on Fiji very informative. I have had a sense that the position taken by both NZ & Aust govts since the last…

I can see how something like APRA's silver scrolls might fit into the former but not the latter, so some of the comparisons upthread seem a bit of a stretch.

Although when we are up against Aussie, SA, and England either/or will be appropriate.

You wouldn't hear that 220 second rant in any normal workplace. Any decent employer would be looking up employment law to find if they could skip warnings and just go straight to the firing stage.

And then re-shoot the entire movie.

Your ears must be good that they can see…

Maybe it's just me but I don't get what the non-government organisation APRA has to do with state-enforced culture.

Yeah Sacha, I was wondering the same thing. I don't see them as quite a

"real force for the idea of a national culture."

as Russell. The silver scrolls is just…

Not really seeing your point here — Peter Jackson got paid US$20 million upfront (against 20% of the net rental income) for King Kong which is chump change compared to what's he earned, one way or the other, for the Rings trilogy.

Umm, it was in the next paragraph:

Obviously…

Nice... I think I could have gone for a lot longer that four minutes if any prick said anything like that to me. I just hope nobody died from testosterone poisoning on that shoot...

Scarily, that outburst has nothing on the notorious Lily Tomlin vs David O Russel __I Heart…

No, and neither is Peter Jackson — and I've some reliable (and agenda-free) first-hand reports that when he loses his temper, it truly is a sight to behold.

Mr Bale was shooting at my school sometime in 1990-1991. One night the was an 'incident' resulting in a standoff with the…

ah yes, they late 20th…

"Over the years, it's been a real force for the idea of a national culture."

likening this rather uncultured belief that a national culture is something governments should instill in the masses. Rather than allowing…

I would never joke about something that serious, naturally. *grins*

I hope not, because I've just got from the library an excellent — if less than imaginatively titled — anthology called The Living Dead (Night Shade Books, paperback). Mostly reprints (even if from out of print anthologies) but the crap-quality ratio…

ah yes, Joseph Goebbels, he had some other brilliant quotes too regarding force for the idea of national culture.

This doesn't just fail to advance your point, it actually salts the entire terrain of the discussion to the point where nothing worthwhile will…

So, let me get this right. Mr. Bale, or whatever his name is, got pissed off with the DOP for walking in front of him whilst lighting a scene? Hmmmm, yeah, great acting Chris, shame we couldn't see it in the dark.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, Steve, but I…

"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains."

And then there's Twelfth Night Of The Living Dead...

You'll probably want to avoid that zombie version of Pride and Prejudice they're releasing, then.

Bloody hell, Lucy, you weren't joking! "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains.” My Inner Janeite is outraged, but the other part…

And there's "Hey! I'm trying to fucking concentrate here, could you stop moving shit around!" vs threatening to hit the guy.

He was threatening to 'Kick his arse'. Which could mean exactly what he was doing. Or getting fired. It doesn't necessarily mean violence and you'd only know if it…

Bale earnt 38 million for the Batman movie he did, probably something similar for the terminator movie.

Not really seeing your point here — Peter Jackson got paid US$20 million upfront (against 20% of the net rental income) for King Kong, which is chump change compared to what's he earned,…

I mean fighting those bloody regenerating terminators using conventional weapons just wasn't working was it? We all saw that. They just needed a damn good talking to and Bale delivered.

Boggle. OK, I am clearly an over-sensitive flower. I just can't think of a movie-making situation where that is 'deserved'. He's the director of photography, who walked through an actor's sightline on the sure-to-be-shitty fourth Terminator film, not a fucking child rapist.

No, and neither is Peter Jackson — and…

I personally think it's bad form to rag off ballistically when disciplining people, but that's my style, quiet…

So are God, the Novel and Even Worse Remakes of Slasher Movies that Hurled Woman-Hating Chunks In The First Place. The world is full of dead things that won't lie down, and the zombie apocalypse hasn't even started yet.

You'll probably want to avoid that zombie version of Pride and…

Could have been richly deserved.

Boggle. OK, I am clearly an over-sensitive flower. I just can't think of a movie-making situation where that is 'deserved'. He's the director of photography, who walked through an actor's sightline on the sure-to-be-shitty fourth Terminator film, not a fucking child rapist.

"And not least, APRA produces an annual event that regularly attains real creative excellence. Last year's Silver Scrolls was just soulful. Over the years, it's been a real force for the idea of a national culture."

ah yes, Joseph Goebbels, he had some other brilliant quotes too regarding force for…

Pad the room and give everyone nerf bats. Last one standing gets to write the Code of Practice.

At last, a practical solution!

Illustrious Energy

Hell yeh.

but there's a difference between a blowup and a prolonged attack

You'd probably have to actually be there to pick it. Who knows what non-verbal attitude was being given? Or what this was the tail end of? I could definitely hear other voices giving back. Could have been something quite…

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

So let me get this right if I want to be paid music money I have to sit in a pool with Tom Jones (and the nice ladies holding his arms up). Hmmmmm.

I am somewhat tempted to actually get them all in a room and not let them leave until they talk to each other.

Pad the room and give everyone nerf bats. Last one standing gets to write the Code of Practice.

But if your first encounter was from the outside, seeing them as the advocates of this bizarre legal regime, and you knew what their overseas counterparts were up to, and their attitude was basically "why do you hate artists, you baby-eater?" you might feel a bit disdainful too.

Sure. And…

When was the last time anyone buying a movie ticket gave a shit who the Director of Photography is?

Seeing as you ask, Illustrious Energy. In 1987.

Didn't he get arrested last year for domestic violence on his mother and sister or something? Could be that he's just a fuckwit?

I can remember running an argument that Muldoon was a punk politician. OK, it was after several vodka lime and lemonades in the Whakatane Commercial Hotel's garden bar, back in '83, and, yeah, I never got round to actually writing the idea up, but still..

After he played the narrator…

If someone pisses a star off for even half an hour that could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, so it's important that the stars let people know what pisses them off, in no uncertain…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-TToJwQwXg&feature=related

What kind of message is Key sending out here that we should just turn a blind eye and don't worry about it when we are the victims of violence? Albeit at the bottom end of the scale. Don't slip into the default NZ bloke macho position without realising it.

Social…

But if your first encounter was from the outside, seeing…

Make…

On the other hand, I have complete disdain for APRA and their attempt to use NZ as an example for the rest of the world to follow so that Sony, Disney and co. can dominate the new airways at the expense of NZ individuals and businesses.

"Complete" disdain, Don? I…

(and back up regularly)

I have to say that while losing your temper is unacceptable.

bullshit! absolute android testament. Clean your sensors

As Daniel Davies said, American conservatism is like punk — dead.

So are God, the Novel and Even Worse Remakes of Slasher Movies that Hurled Woman-Hating Chunks In The First Place. The world is full of dead things that won't lie down, and the zombie apocalypse hasn't even started yet.

But rock cannot be both establishment and anti-establishment. It can’t be a rebellious underdog while endorsing and distributing the status quo.

I just knew this thread was going to be about copyright...

and both sides' reluctance to acknowledge goodwill in the other quite vexing.

Both sides? Hmm. You sure you…

Crispy brown on the outside, but still succulent and tender in the middle.

mmmmm......done professionally

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

I thought Elvis was an artist.

The guy that he is nutting off at, doesn't do anything but bait him. I do like the like the line about him being a "nice guy, but.........."

and what does "done professionally" mean? would it be ok to…

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

Hey! That's my retirement plan!

Who'd be next in line to Phelps for the bong? The dude must have crazy lungs.

Good old Chong. But I doubt that lung capacity has much effect on how big a hit one can take. Might affect how long you can hold it, though. Not that it's a good…

But that sucks about Lux Interior. I was just at a 5th birthday party…

sheesh.

... and while Christian nuts off, let's not foget 'our' Russ and the telephone ... if only that would rule him out of any possible future Oscar nominations ...

I like the bit when she tells him that it's people who aren't from "round here" who cause the problems.

She outing herself as an NZ 1st supporter? Or does she mean Kwy himself?

You know, I've been thinking about it for days. Because, the way I see it, it means that people used to behave a lot more petulantly before either Ms. Ciccone or the Virgin Mary came on the scene and put a stop to that.

Well, It certainly applies to Sean…

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Viacom International Inc..

Too slow Viacom, already FLAC'd :)

How poetic.

The weirdest part is hearing Titewhai Harawira giving instructions to the PM afterwards: "Stand still John — no, no, stand still ... "

I like the bit when she tells him that it's people who aren't from "round here" who cause the problems. That's exactly what the people of Alexandra…

Pre-madonna.

You know, I've been thinking about it for days. Because, the way I see it, it means that people used to behave a lot more petulantly before either Ms. Ciccone or the Virgin Mary came on the scene and put a stop to that.

Sean Penn.

Which, of course, brings to mind that solid-gold Christian Bale tanty-related eggcorn unearthed by Giovanni: Pre-madonna.

Mmm, I think I can use that.

No you can't

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I've read all that stuff too. I'm sorry, even if the DP was being an unprofessional douche, there is absolutely no excuse for that level and length of freakout. It's not OK!

Certainly not, but I wonder how many of us would think it's OK to have our worse moments…

To be fair, APRA does pay nearly everything it collects directly to creators. Its operating costs are pretty tight. So the Vegas thing doesn't really apply there.

Sorry, I was directing that comment at a more philosophical level – with the exception of a few big names, the artists see…

The Prime Minister getting treated like a helpless infant by Titewhai Harawira, on the other hand ... yikes. It was like grazing your knee in the playground…

Man-Diva

always has been,
He's the original Russel Crowe

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

To be fair, APRA does pay nearly everything it collects directly to creators. Its operating costs are pretty tight. So the Vegas thing doesn't really apply there.

Coincidentally, my *current* Facebook status update is 'Danielle and Christian Bale are done, professionally'! I am the zeitgeist. Or completely unoriginal...

You sound like the kind of person who ought to make a book of her status updates.

It's a relatively minor incident, for sure, but it does cast an interesting light on the Herald's recent suggestions to the the 'brave' new PM (and, indeed, the 'brave' new Leader of the Opposition) are willing to "return" to Waitangi, where Helen Clark feared to tread.

In addition to a…

Heh. I do kinda like courier, but it reminds me of the…

a wee bit of context

I've read all that stuff too. I'm sorry, even if the DP was being an unprofessional douche, there is absolutely no excuse for that level and length of freakout. It's not OK!

The weirdest part is hearing Titewhai Harawira giving instructions to the PM afterwards: "Stand still John — no, no, stand still ... "

A bit after that, I think it's Harawira who is apologising to him for the incident, and he says, "No problems, no problems."

But, actually, being assaulted…

Still, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how TVNZ spins that into "racial tension explodes at Waitangi"...

It's a relatively minor incident, for sure, but it does cast an interesting light on the Herald's recent suggestions to the the 'brave' new PM (and, indeed, the 'brave' new Leader of…

Heh. My Facebook status update last night was something like 'Danielle just danced around the house to the Christian Bale freakout remix'.

What isn't quite as much fun is a wee bit of context, suggesting that it wasn't entirely a case of 'Man-Diva Gone Wild Because Someone Made Eye-Contact'.

when Telecom shows you up on grounds of basic humanity, don't you think you might be doin' it wrong?

Xlunt.
And

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

That, really, is all that needed to be said on the copyright thread instead of Robbery's…

labeling this shirt

Coincidentally, my *current* Facebook status update is 'Danielle and Christian Bale are done, professionally'! I am the zeitgeist. Or completely unoriginal...

The weirdest part is hearing Titewhai Harawira giving instructions to the PM afterwards: "Stand still John — no, no, stand still ... "

"...don't make eye contact, assume the foetal position and if you could piss yourself just a little that would be helpful."

Prime Minister assaulted on arrival at…

Indeed — but Snowe's actually got some credibility as a fiscal conservative left, so her support (and any qualifications she puts on the table) is going to mean something.

For sure. It would be nice if she was running things ...

Prime Minister assaulted on arrival at Waitangi — they really don't seem to have it sorted out up there. Still.

The weirdest part is hearing Titewhai Harawira giving instructions to the PM afterwards: "Stand still John — no,…

Oh, and several people have suggested Maggie Thatcher had a lot of the punk ethos.

I think you've got her confused with Vivienne Westwood, but you're in very good company on that score.

Hey, interesting times for your gal Olympia Snowe. She might buck the refusenik party line and vote…

Obviously there has been some dire news on that front already. When Obama picked Tom Daschle to be the HHS Secretary, I nearly shit my pants. In Washington there are whores and there are whores, and then…

the RevoLucian remix of the leaked Christian Bale nutting-off tape is awesome

Heh. My Facebook status update last night was something like 'Danielle just danced around the house to the Christian Bale freakout remix'.

'What don't you FUCKING understand... bleep blip bloop oonst...'

Breitbart wants to beat it at its…

I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.

"I do want to say a quick word for anyone out there who wants to bring change and hope to a divided and suffering nation ... pay your fucking taxes."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP4f3Y_KzI0

It's a crack pinata. It's a garden of crack pinatas, and I'm spinning and spinning — half the site is triumphantly noting that Hollywood is finally making conservative or secretly conservative big budget mega-hits (Dark Knight! Iron…

Meanwhile no WTF-age over Tom Daschle

Damn, I read a really funny parody piece about Daschle and I can't find it now.

There's some Greenwaldage on it:

Due to traveling, I've been subjected to far more cable news over the last 24 hours than I typically endure in an entire…

So Gil Scott Heron was wrong.

It will not only be televised, it'll be you-tubed.

As soon as they work out the copyright issues, yeah.

I was thinking what a shame it was to have to hang on to Republican is the New Punk until Friday,

Not a new idea.

I can remember running an argument that Muldoon was a punk politician. OK, it was after several vodka lime and lemonades in the Whakatane Commercial…

RevoLucian also created one of the better remixes of the infamous Bill O'Reilly nutting-off tape. You can find his YouTube stuff here.

So Gil Scott Heron was wrong.

It will not only be televised, it'll be you-tubed.

Did anyone in the transition actually bother vetting Daschle's financial and tax records before his name…