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				<title>keen ja</title>
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						Long White Vapour was New Zealand’s first vape juice company. We've been crafting vape liquid for over five years. E juice that is complex in taste, but flavors you can vape all day. Over the years we have built a reputation for consistency, quality, and our unique flavors. Visit <a href="https://www.longwhitevapour.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.longwhitevapour.co.nz/</a>…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2021 13:05:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Sadly, it’s probably still safer to smoke weed than vaporize it...</q></p><p>With oil mixes, yes. Safety is very dependent on what has been added. However when you're vapourising dry material there are no additives and you're only extracting the important bits. IMHO it's one of the purer consumption methods. <br />**(Five…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2019 17:03:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						When the alternative to vaping is smoking, known to kill massive numbers of people, both fast and slow, I'm struggling to see what the deal is here. OK, it might get new people who were not already smokers, especially children. But again, so might cigarettes. I know which one I'd…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:54:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>Here's more info on <a href="https://www.inverse.com/article/59207-vitamin-e-acetate-thc-vapes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the vitamin E acetate</a> used to thicken black market THC oil, and why it should never be used in vaping liquids. </p><p>Note that no credible vaping company in the US uses this product. It's only being added by a few bad guys in the black market…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:52:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>WTF has happened to vaping lately? O'K, there were four or five deaths in the US but they were caused by contaminents added to backyard THC-infused vape juice. The delivery method wasn't the problem. </p><p>I can understand Trump &amp; his cronies move to ban vaping. For a crooked administration in perpetual…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:36:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>That's awesome Alfie, and thanks for the language correction, makes sense.<br />Much appreciated!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 15:56:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>I was wondering if you or anyone else might have any recommendations for buying an e-cigarette</q></p><p>If you'll allow me to be pedantic for a moment, I associate the term "e-cigs" with those things the tobacco companies are selling, as opposed to vapes which is a more generic term and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:02:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Vaper and the Trails...</strong><br />a band name going begging?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:50:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>If you’re a smoker I urge you to give vaping a try. If it works for you, stop putting money into the pockets of Phillip Morris and BAT </q></p><p>Thank you for your post Alfie, inspiring, I was wondering if you or anyone else might have any recommendations for buying an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 20:30:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Brown</title>
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						It;s a hollow win, more of a victory for the Big Tobacco lobby I feel. They've managed to hobble vaping and give it the same restrictions and therefore social stigma as cigs.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:40:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>That doesn’t mean cafés and the like can’t keep or even enlarge ‘vaping permitted’ areas … but not on the bus, please.</q></p><p>Certainly not on the bus! But forbidding people to vape in their own dwellings isn't all that helpful.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:03:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>but the enjoyment of playing with and manipulating the smoke. Think smoke rings and the like. My vape gives me that same reward without any of the downsides.</q></p><p>That's why the kids vape zero!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:01:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Walter  Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q> the blanket decision to ban vaping wherever smoking is banned isn't entirely logical:</q></p><p>I can't possibly agree. It's about not losing ground, which has taken decades to gain, granting the populace the right to clear (not saying clean <g>) air.  We can choose not to smoke*, but we can't choose…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:54:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:43:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Both smoking and vaping feed the same addiction.</q></p><p>That's true, Joe. But I was pleasantly surprised to discover that for me, a large part of the <em>appeal</em> of the smoking experience (as stupid as that may sound) wasn't purely the nicotine addiction, but the enjoyment of playing with and manipulating…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:44:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<q>Hone Harawira would have it that I've just swapped one addiction for another. That may be true, but I know that I've swapped an addiction that was destroying my health and would eventually kill me for another that's at least 95% less harmful, tastes a damned sight better, costs less…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:35:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>I've a very similar experience to you (been vaping &ndash; argh I loathe that term &ndash; for a couple of years now), though haven't really tried to cut nicotine levels as much as I could but am happy with where I am... </p><p>I've saved a lot of money... feel healthier...…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:23:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>Here's my experience. </p><p>I've been a smoker since my late teens. It was a thing back then. Both of my parents smoked, tobacco advertising was highly misleading &mdash; <em>"Nine out of ten doctors smoke Lucky Strike"</em> &mdash; and the majority of my peers were smokers. It was <em>normal</em> to smoke.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:58:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p><q>a special room for lynx wearers</q>a group, after all, <br />desperately waiting to have someone tell them to “Get a room!”</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 20:07:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						There is some evidence that suggests that 2nd hand vape is a respiratory irritant. Which presents the problem of least harm isolation. It's not fair to throw the vapers in with the leaf smokers as that is a proven carcinogen but not fair to add another irritant on the large…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:55:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<q>If your intention is to get people to switch from smoking, then it’s important that the alternative actually works for them. Any current vape seller will tell you that customers returning to complain that their gear isn’t working is quite a burden. A dairy owner’s not going to be interested…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:36:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, I think he was referring mostly to opiates, where the benefits are clearer.</q></p><p>Because of injecting?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:35:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>What was his rationale there? Meth is already vaporized, just using a different method. I don’t know about opiates, </q></p><p>To be fair, I think he was referring mostly to opiates, where the benefits are clearer.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:19:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The alternative case is <a href="https://theconversation.com/twelve-myths-about-e-cigarettes-that-failed-to-impress-the-tga-72408" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">put here</a>, but it's not exactly a balanced look at the issue.</p><p>But <a href="http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2017/02/06/new-study-comes-the-closest-yet-to-proving-that-e-cigarettes-arent-as-dangerous-as-smoking/comment-page-1/#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this recent study is interesting</a>. It compared vaping not only with smoking but with long-established nicotine replacement therapy systems (i.e.: patch and gum). The results were quite encouraging.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:18:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>It was, he thought, a reasonable form of harm reduction, esecially for the opiate users.</q></p><p>What was his rationale there? Meth is already vaporized, just using a different method. I don't know about opiates, I guess as an alternative to injecting it's safer. But as an alternative to putting it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:01:49 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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