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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						<p>how do you get an image into hard news....</p><p>yeah.... so when the index was nearly cooked, the MOH project manager asks...well how we publish this shit?</p><div class="hr"><hr /></div><p>I will ask the NDIB.....if we should publish Michael....what is that......</p><p>NDIB...said you take the glory health</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:07:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						NZ's innovation in drug-making is noticed: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/13/making-meth-how-new-zealands-knack-for-p-turned-into-a-homebaked-disaster" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/13/making-meth-how-new-zealands-knack-for-p-turned-into-a-homebaked-disaster</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:38:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						<p>I was in two minds</p><p>so to speak about making another post</p><p>seeing as the painting myself and standing next to a state house failed to attract viable amounts of meth...<br />should I..</p><p><br />why not</p><p>xxx,</p><p>Just a follow up to some matters in the</p><div class="hr"><hr /></div><p>Letter.</p><p>In regards to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:34:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						<p>....i was trying....waiting for bugs to fly spray....cause paint attracts meth...</p><p>i was gunna like demo the whole plan and start with new gib board...forensic science...minute shit...on walls and soft furnishings....</p><p>what do i lick again?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2016 00:17:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Getting bud-wiser...</strong><br /><q> It must have been something in the air. During a short time window at the end of the last ice age, Stone Age humans in Europe and Asia independently began using a new plant: cannabis.<br />That’s the conclusion of a review of cannabis archaeology, which also links an…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:26:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> of course Proportion.</q></p><p>Keeping a balance view is hard when the scales of perception are heavily weighted one way.<br />And meth use doesnt aid that either way nor does licking walls  ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2016 07:44:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>fucking roaches</q>[Insert obvious joke about inappropriate drug use here]
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 23:03:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						<p>In reply to andin...I like what you wrote there!</p><p>In other matters, the idea of consuming fly spray and weed killa on plant material is kind of... attractive....</p><p>...but then &ndash; while I pondered that....I couldn't help but wonder about all the 520 meth contaminated state houses....I could so do…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:37:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>The peyote eaters in America might have some insights. But that takes us into the realms of using drugs with some sort of religious discipline. </q><br />It was more considered a rite of passage into adulthood, the "religious" overtones came later when dealing with the screwed up  perceptions of an white…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:23:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Smith</title>
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						<p>"If you wanna geek out on acetone toxicity, LD50 is 5g/kg*, so 350g for a 70kg person, which would be around a Kiwi pint. I think you’d do well to swig that much"</p><p>Yes and the LD 50 of Cannabis between 20,000 &ndash; 40,000 joints in fifteen minutes.</p><p>Waters LD…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:55:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>If you wanna geek out on acetone toxicity, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LD50 is 5g/kg*</a>, so 350g for a 70kg person, which would be around a Kiwi pint. I think you’d do well to swig that much.</p><p>You would stand a good chance of losing your eyebrows if you tried smoking an acetone soaked…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:00:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Smith</title>
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						<p>It would be pretty safe to say a legal frame work would go a long way to quality control. But if you don't give the consumers what they want,there will always be someone waiting in the wings selling on a promise.</p><p>I remember 12 years ago at the height of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:30:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Smith</title>
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						<p>Yes Steven, there's nothing but strange when it comes to how we treat Alcohol and Tobacco in our society.But that doesn't mean I would advocate for their prohibition either, even though I haven't drank in 16 years myself.</p><p>We see studies like the Dunedin study tell us that no harmful…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 14:51:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>A little more on MDMA's safety, from <a href="http://www.maps.org/research/mdma" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MAPS</a>:</p><p><q>MDMA is not the same as "Ecstasy" or "molly." Substances sold on the street under these names may contain MDMA, but frequently also contain unknown and/or dangerous adulterants. In laboratory studies, pure MDMA has been proven sufficiently safe for human consumption when…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:18:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ray Gilbert</title>
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						<p><q>Wellllll ... drinking a half a glass if it will probably kill you.</q></p><p>Probably not &ndash; its a UN Hazard Class 6.1E (oral), which is the lowest oral toxicity you can have without being harmless and the same UN class as salt. Although ChemFFX rates acetone toxicity as 1 out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:50:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Smith</title>
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						<p>"I'm somewhat annoyed that no-one has submitted an ethanoloid drug for consideration (are there such things? Which effects do you focus on?). "</p><p>Yeah Moz, The biggest hurdle here would be that Governments don't recognize Alcohol based products as being Drugs, only scientists and those left to pick up the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:02:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bill Smith</title>
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						<p>"So what MoDA regulated products would pass the low risk test, MDMA? Cannabis? shrooms? BZP?"</p><p>I don't think there was ever any intention to have any drug be able to pass the low risk test.<br />Alcohol In 2012, about 3.3 million net deaths.<br />Tobacco 5 million net deaths per year.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:36:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						I'm somewhat annoyed that no-one has submitted an ethanoloid drug for consideration (are there such things? Which effects do you focus on?). It'd be worth doing and I'd happily contribute to a crowd fund for it, purely to see the "it's less harmful" argument being discussed.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>All good questions. It's hard to conceive of LSD being sold without some duty of care in the bargain.</p><p>Of course, what can definitively be said is that LSD is much safer than the NBOMe drugs being sold as "LSD" at the moment.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>So what MoDA regulated products would pass the low risk test, MDMA? Cannabis? shrooms? BZP?</q></p><p>Cannabis would be the obvious one and the Act provides a decent structure for its regulated sale–  but it could fall foul of the "low risk of harm" test as a smokeable product.</p><p>There's a…</p>
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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						<p>cool<br />Shulgin has arisen from the dead and banned</p><p>he will act responsibly from now on</p>
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				<title>Shane Le Brun</title>
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						So what MoDA regulated products would pass the low risk test, MDMA? Cannabis? shrooms? BZP?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 23:46:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Acetone isn’t especially toxic</q></p><p>Wellllll ... drinking a half a glass if it will probably kill you.</p><p><q>and it’s extremely volatile, so if the leaves aren’t actually damp there’s probably no more than a trace present. And it’s extremely flammable, so it will go up in the smoke.</p><p>Also, I’m…</q></p>
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				<title>Thomas Lumley</title>
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						<p><em>sprayed with actual poisons like acetone.</em></p><p>Acetone isn't especially toxic, and it's extremely volatile, so if the leaves aren't actually damp there's probably no more than a trace present. And it's extremely flammable, so it will go up in the smoke. </p><p>Also, I'm pretty sure that acetone has always been…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2016 22:31:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shulgin</title>
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						very good article
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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