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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>Completely shifting the topic to a related amusing news story:</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/3946112a12.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Canadian town to immigrants: you can't stone women</a></p><p>Highlights:</p><blockquote><p>Immigrants to the small Quebec town of Herouxville must not stone women in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules made public…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:27:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>i think trying to get 400,000 aboriginal people to run the entire infrastructure by themselves might be a bit of a stretch.</p><p>likely they'd have to import a bunch of honkies to do all the 'important stuff'.</p><p>OTOH, they'd be seriously wealthy now the state doesn't own all their assets.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:50:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p>Che,</p><p>So it's clearly an "us or them" situation, and we should let the traditional owners decide who gets to stay?</p><p>To quote the chart-topping Hip-Hop artist Ozi Batla "Enough is enough, whiteys go pack your stuff, Don't wanna live in England? That's f*ing tough". <a href="http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/the_herd/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/the_herd/</a></p><p>Note that you're seeing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:55:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>I finally watched that Donnie Davies video. Oh, it has to be a joke, surely? </p><p>I then went to lovegodsway.org &ndash; that has to be part of the joke, doesn't it? I do like the list of Gay Bands list on there, especially seeing user submissions are accepted.</p><p>Please tell…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:58:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Redbaiter & Fred &ndash; I'm convinced now that they're a put up of some sort. No-one could really be that stupid.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:57:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>something interesting occured to me this morning.</p><p>in a way, the white australia policy was correct. the admission of 'ethnics' into australia does result in division, non-assimilation, and social unrest.</p><p>strangely though, the instigators of these troubles (are time and again, but not always) the dinkim australians themselves.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:18:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Jeffs</title>
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						I always thought kiwi blog was a joke..... it's not actually serious is it??? If it is .... it makes it even more funny. Comedy gold. Jeez there are some angry people out there.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:55:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Jeffs</title>
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						Russell &ndash; well said about the 'sweeping statements' of Austrlians. I may have been guilty of it in the past but there does seem to be some that are labelling all Australians as knuckle dragging rednecks. Chances are  most Australians are likley to be very socially enlightened citizens just as…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:44:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hamboy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Come to think of how do you all find the time?</ quote><br />Get made redundant. You find lots of time to do Sweet FA.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:43:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scott Hindmarsh</title>
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						<p>and the tear jerker..<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzicZPnd6kU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzicZPnd6kU</a></p><h1>-Scott-</h1>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:36:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scott Hindmarsh</title>
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						<p>Mind blowing geek porn:<br /><a href="http://www.bunchofnerds.com/2007/01/music/reactable-is-hopefully-the-electronic-music-instument-of-the-future/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.bunchofnerds.com/2007/01/music/reactable-is-hopefully-the-electronic-music-instument-of-the-future/</a><br />nerd porn:<br /><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=nice6NYb_WA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://youtube.com/watch?v=nice6NYb_WA</a></p><p>-=Scott=-</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:34:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sonic</title>
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						<p>Gotta spread the love span, one day we will pull it off and Redbaiter will fall to earth crying,</p><p>" oh my god, they were right all along, how could I have been such a fool for all these years?"</p><p>He will then get a job dispensing tea and sympathy…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:22:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I always wonder how they all find the time. And the emotional energy for that level of hate.<br />Come to think of how do you all find the time?</p></blockquote><p>You mean for our <em>love</em>?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:57:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Redbaiter has patches of sanity that make me suspect he is more than one person, or perhaps that another regular user has Redbaiter as an amusing sockpuppet and forgets to stay in character.</p></blockquote><p>Unlikely. Redbaiter's a relative newbie on Kiwiblog, but he has a long history on the local Usenet…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:56:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Span .</title>
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						<p>I always wonder how they all find the time.  And the emotional energy for that level of hate.  </p><p>Come to think of how do you all find the time?</p>
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				<title>Sonic</title>
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						Shucks!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:22:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Actually, I suspect Sonic is Stephen Colbert...</p><blockquote><p>Russell, why would you be against the compulsory carrying of flags?</p><p>Is it because you hate freedom?</p></blockquote><p>Pure gold...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:30:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Stephen &ndash; I've wondered that in the past too.
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				<title>merc</title>
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						RB = Russell = Redbaiter, geddit? And Sonic is DPF, ssshhhhhh.
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				<title>merc</title>
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						RB, yowhen you said on KB you're a Dancing Fool, I spat on my dual geeked out monitors. As for Sonic, I just bow, he ties knots in their heads that Freud couldn't untie.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Redbaiter has patches of sanity that make me suspect he is more than one person, or perhaps that another regular user has Redbaiter as an amusing sockpuppet and forgets to stay in character.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OK, 'fess up &ndash; which one of you is Sonic?</p></blockquote><p>Alright, it's me. I can tell you, all that trolling on Kiiwblog <em>and</em> keeping up Hitchens Watch keeps me bloody busy.</p><p>But in retrospect, it was a bit OTT when I interviewed myself for my Listener column ...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But then even our friend from New Orleans did start of trying to actually argue something and was reasonably civil.</p></blockquote><p>I think he's been civil all along, and I generally disagree with him but appreciate his willingness to engage. It's actually been more the case that I've had to warn…</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Have you ever noticed the complete absence of any psychological references on Kiwiblog, it's as if everything happens in the world on one very primitive level, but goddamit I'm going to say three things,<br />1. narcissism<br />2. puer aeternus (peter pan)<br />3. mother complex<br />But I am glad they get…</p>
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				<title>Hamboy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This sounds ridiculous, but there's a calmer 'vibe' to this forum.</p></blockquote><p>Could be the mellow colours on the website.<br />Or perhaps because the link to the comments area  is called "Discuss".<br />It could confuse them when the blood rushes to their head and so they haven't figured out how to…</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						OK, 'fess up &ndash; which one of you is Sonic?
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				<title>Hamboy</title>
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						But then even our friend from New Orleans did start of trying to actually argue something and was reasonably civil.
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				<title>Hamboy</title>
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						<p>I think it's because this blog doesn't attract that sort of crowd.<br />The redbaiter and Fred type tend to be pack animals. Need the safety of numbers. <br />I use to think that type were just people mucking around, but they are far too common. You see them a lot more…</p>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Having said that, Kiwiblog has its sonic to inflame the other side, we don't have an equivalent.</p></blockquote><p>Ahem, there is that chap from New Orleans who can produce steam from a few ears around here....</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<p>This sounds ridiculous, but there's a calmer 'vibe' to this forum.</p><p>Having said that, Kiwiblog has its sonic to inflame the other side, we don't have an equivalent.</p>
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				<title>reece palmer</title>
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						But what I have seen is many people including myself prefacing some of their messages with, RB feel free to delete this if you disagree or such like and it never is.
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				<title>reece palmer</title>
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						Not one to put words into his mouth, but I can't recall ever seeing anyones stuff removed that is to say seeing it, then no longer being able to see it, of course I wouldn't be able to see it once removed because it's no longer there. See?
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				<title>Span .</title>
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						<p>The massive difference between the contents of this thread and the one at Kiwiblog is interesting.  Same topic to begin with (although not the same pov), wildly diverging comments resulting.</p><p>Russell, I'm curious &ndash; have you had to do any moderating on PA System or have people generally behaved?</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						When I think of these people in person, I think of those two old codgers in The Muppets on the balcony...then I realize they are probably 19.
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Actually, I seem to get on with Murray (OK, the odd call to arms is a bit worrying & should probably be taken with a handful of salt), Whaleoil has told me to fuck off from someone else's site for being welsh...  but I find redbaiter far more offensive & moronic than…
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>Redbaiter is pretty funny, but a bit repetitive. I also think Whaleoil is pretty funny &ndash; claiming that someones problems are caused by repressed homosexuality is a trivial, infantile comment to make about a person you don't like, but in <a href="http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/node/3585" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Whaleoils case it's almost certainly true</a>. </p><p>But for pure comedic…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:17:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Am I being naive? Or are there people out there like this?</p></blockquote><p>Loads of them. Redbaiter's relatively comedic. Try Murray, Whale Oil or Coyote for more genuinely chilling attitudes.</p>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<p>Serioulsy right, <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/01/idiotic_aussie_flag_ban.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Redbaiter</a> isn't for real? Like, it's a dude, who's actually left wing, just being a cock to wind people up?<br />Am I being naive? Or are there people out there like this?</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						By the way, the economics of racism and misogyny are terrible. We were a medium sized sponsor of the conference and prboably had about the largest contingent of delegates from any one company. I will have a chat to the organisers but I will certainly think very carefully about future…
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Recently had some folks attend an IT conference in Sydney. Reports of abuse, racism and harassment by, admittedly, a minority of attendees were a shock. I guess nine years of polarised politics legitimatizes a lot of that shit. </p><p>I hope it stays out of the mainstream here and the likes…</p>
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				<title>Span .</title>
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						<p>And a damn good serve that was too Mr Brown. </p><p>Some of my favourite Shortland St characters are Australian.</p><p>One of the things that I think is counter productive for NZers about Australian race relations policy is it allows us to be complacent about our own problems.  We look at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:26:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Just to show the dog whistling on this issue (and the reactionary responses) aren't limited to Australians, here's a link to DPF's post and thread on the subject:<br /><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/01/idiotic_aussie_flag_ban.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/01/idiotic_aussie_flag_ban.html</a></p><p>(RB feel free to delete if it's not ok to post this!)</p></blockquote><p>Of course it is. In fact, I went and…</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>i read that chain too. i wanted to say 'shocking', but then thought... no, not really.</p><p>also, looks like howard is positioning to remove multicultural policy once and for all, as he did with distinct aboriginal policy.</p><p><a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/integration-is-howards-aim/2007/01/23/1169518710208.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/integration-is-howards-aim/2007/01/23/1169518710208.html</a></p>
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						<p>Just to show the dog whistling on this issue (and the reactionary responses) aren't limited to Australians, here's a link to DPF's post and thread on the subject:<br /><a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/01/idiotic_aussie_flag_ban.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/01/idiotic_aussie_flag_ban.html</a></p><p>(RB feel free to delete if it's not ok to post this!)</p>
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						<p>ironically, multicultural policies were adopted by the then conservative PM malcolm fraser to ensure better assimilation of minorities.</p><p>most multicultural policies involved programmes like ESL education for socially isolated and depressed migrant housewives. the underlying thought behind the policy being, 'white australia isn't acutally working, let's spend govt money to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:20:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Jeffs</title>
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						I don't think anyone would deny someone else having patriotic feelings towards their country and as we know the average Aussie is not short on patriotism. But I think the problem is the sentiment behind alot of the 'flag waving' thats going on in Australia at the moment. We have…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:53:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As a New Zealander, I think that since seminal moments of 1984 we have not just caught up with but actually passed the average Australian in being comfortable in our sense of place, politically and geographically.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not so sure about that. Living in Bali, and having done so for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:00:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						oh, and andrew, me? "belly laugh", followed by slightly suspicious glance...
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						Update from Fitzroy: My tram was pelted with paint cans this morning by a man with crazy eyes. On the way home this afternoon I bumped a gentleman who started singing a song (of his own composition I think) about how he "couldn't take any more of this shit" and…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><em>when i lived in melbourne an english friend stated quite baldly he'd never been to a country with as much visible mental illness as australia.</em></p><p>There was a cartoon doing the rounds during the Sydney olympics. Below a drawing of a vapidly smiling mum, dad, kids and grandpa was the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:47:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>john shears</title>
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						<p>(if you don't count flies and roaches)????<br />Whoa!!! nobody, not even JH could count the flies in Aus. really!!!</p><p>Russell  I like you prediction that we will nedd to wash oiur hands a lot more in the elecronic future. I hope so but dried on towels not Flags please.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>"Australia will kill you if it gets half a chance, its all poisonous this and salt croc that and boiling desert heat the other."</p><p>Hang on! I lived there for over a year, spending most of my time, as 90% of Aussies do, in urban areas. The only wildlife I…</p>
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						<p>rudd should do it.</p><p>it'll be a veritable clash of 5'5" titans.</p><p><br />and, belly laughs. but mind you, the guy worked in fitzroy, so it might not have been a representative sample.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...he'd never been to a country with as much visible mental illness as australia.</p><p>i laughed. a lot</p></blockquote><p>Belly laughs? Or a kind of demented giggle?</p><p>Sorry, given the topic, and the fact you've lived there... thought I'd better clarify.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but then, howard should be voted out at the next election.</p></blockquote><p>Well, yes, provided there's a viable alternative to vote for.</p>
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				<title>reece palmer</title>
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						<p>Ahhh...</p><p>they came from convict stock,</p><p>heh.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I think environment has got a lot to do with it to. Australia  will kill you if it gets half a chance, its all poisonous this and salt croc that and boiling desert heat the other. Over there itas all about survivng a landscape that a harsh father with a…
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>tom: i didn't say he was talking about australians.</p><p>and i agree, they're an insecure bunch. i think it's the whole, "the continent is out to get us thing". living in a place full of poisonous little snakes is bound to do that.</p><p>but then, howard should be voted out…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Che: But the British have such a tedious love affair with the place! Every British person I've ever met in Aussie carries on like they've won the lottery just being allowed to live there. I suspect Kylie Minogue and the generational brain washing of "Neighbours" is to blame.  </p><p>I don't…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If a bouncer didn't like my tie I'd get refused entry to private gigs, I can't see that refusing tasteless paraphernalia like annoying big flags at a concert is any business of the federal government.</p></blockquote><p>And yet, there have been explicit threats by politicians to close the whole thing down…</p>
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						<p>when i lived in melbourne an english friend stated quite baldly he'd never been to a country with as much visible mental illness as australia.</p><p>i laughed. a lot.</p>
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						Things aren't that much better in Aotearoa.  I recently witnessed a tatooed, drunk white retard racially abuse and physically intimidate a local shopkeeper &ndash; no flags involved.   Suffice to say it was infuriating and intensely embarassing, and I'm sure most Australians would feel the same way about their lunatic fringe.…
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						Oh well. I know a really top drawer Aussie who is moving to N.Z. because A) it rains here and B) She feels like cultural refugees from Texas on the Tasman. So John Howard's policies are not all that bad &ndash; we get to export our rednecks to Queensland and…
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						It's not really but it is a great opportunity to bluster away at the electorate, who you're trying to sell nationalism to as part of your new security regime.
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						<p>That Beast guy is a bit harsh on Suri Cruise. She can't do much about it yet!</p><p>As for BDO carnage: Thousands of pissed ozzies wandering around leering, making racist comments and acting like drongos? Sounds like every Friday night in Oz, what's the fuss? If a bouncer didn't like…</p>
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						Australian policies towards non anglo people has been fairly dodgy for quite some time. Take a look back at 1 stolen generation, 2 white Australia immigration restrictions, 3 more recently the Tampa and its refugees. The wierd thing about this is there are huge and I mean huge communities of…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Perhaps a contributing factor to Sydney’s problems is the alcohol policy. I’m used to the Auckland thing, where you’re only allowed to drink in the special area, which is usually away from the music. I like that idea, because it forces you to choose between the music and drinking, and…</blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>meanwhile, over in Murray-land, the whole flag saga has led to him deciding that he agrees with the solution put forward by some Aussie 'patriot': 'KILL ALL LEFTIES!'</p></blockquote><p>Ah yes, Murray. I remember when he advocated the mass-murder of Muslims ...</p><p>I'm glad you didn't quote more from Crusader Rabbit:…</p>
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				<title>Corin H</title>
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						Am I the only one who sees the irony of the Aussie flag being brandished as a nationalist symbol when the damn thing has a Union Jack on it?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:54:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Hermans</title>
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						I was at last year's Sydney BDO, and while I had a fantastic time (thanks Sleater Kinney!), there were certainly moments of distinct unease and a very palpable tension due to the presence of sunburned, flag-bearing, wife-beater-wearing Aussie boofheads.  However, I got through the day without incident and was never…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:48:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hamboy</title>
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						Wonder if this fuss is going to encourage more people to bring flags and more of those "acts" of patriotism.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:45:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>noizyboy</title>
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						<p>meanwhile, over in <a href="http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/imagine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Murray-land</a>, the whole flag saga has led to him deciding that he agrees with the solution put forward by some Aussie 'patriot':  <a href="http://crusader-rabbit.blogspot.com/2007/01/time-to-fry-us-some-leftists.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'KILL ALL LEFTIES!</a>'</p><p>Says Crusader Rabbit...</p><blockquote><p>Banning the flag is one thing but saying it is nothing more than a gang symbol.... If you know…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:40:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>I really like <a href="http://blogs.theage.com.au/music/archives/2007/01/tunes_not_hoons.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this blog from The Age</a>:</p><blockquote><p>So, it's dickheads that are the problem, and if the Australian flag makes them easier to spot &ndash; and weed out &ndash; I'm all for discouraging its use. After all, Lees and West have a duty of care when it comes to…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:32:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						actually one thing that's struck me coming back to NZ after 20 years is all the NZ flags everywhere &ndash; when I went away they were almost only ever seen on public buildings (I do remember going into the post office once and asking if they were being robbed -…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:28:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>ignore last comment re: Christian minorities.</p><p>negative comment seems to focus on 'multiculturalism' as the enemy.</p>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						I was in Sydney recently and saw ex Midnight Oils frontman and future Australian PM Peter Garrett speak, extremely eloquently, about the Howard government obsession with owning the debate on what is, and what isn't, 'Australian', to the detriment of anyone outside their narrow definition (I was thinking of 'mainstream…
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>an even stronger than usual response in the heat of the day to Australian acts on the main stages, from the retro rock of Wolfmother to the strine-rich hip-hop of Hilltop Hoods.</p></blockquote><p>which goes to show they probably haven't actually listened to what they're cheering for. Hilltop Hoods have a…</p>
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				<title>David Rush</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"There are obvious applications for data visualisation and music and graphic composition."</p></blockquote><p>ahem...<a href="http://www.jazzmutant.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.jazzmutant.com</a>. I'll take one of these over an iPhone anyday.</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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