Wonder why The Klaxons looked so out of it trying
to mime alongside Rihanna at the Brits? They'd
dropped some acid before the show. Respect.

Hehe!

Which doesn't seem worth anyone's time to be honest.

Since we are into new descriptions of people with whom we disagree, just for fun, perhaps we can call those most devout believers in AGW "Climate Catastrophists"

This article ought to cause the catastrophists to clench their sphincter muscle tighter than it…

What name can we possibly use for the people who are working feverishly to convince the public to ignore the broad scientific understanding of global warming and to delay taking serious…

Behold! Before you stands Denius the Mighty, scion of the Clan Zetetic, guardian of the dread portal of the Moving Goalposts, wearer of the Impenetrable Helm of Tinfoil and Wielder of the Magic Talking Sword of Specious Rhetoric!…

My dislike for McCully is intense and increasingly visceral. It's not like RB is replacing failed National Party candidate Paul Henry or anything....

And what do you think are the odds that if Paul Henry ended up on The Standard, with a lovely photo of him at a…

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is…

He wrote to all the sceptics he could find, to find the information which backed up…

shesh you lot are sooo dated

try Denierz!

I guess what I'm saying is, I suspect most people don't like the messengers on climate change/global warming,…

Anyway you probably know this already but here's a rundown of why the brick wall is so stubborn.

What is Denialism

Hat tip to…

And most of them are on Trade Me Message boards, it seems. Trade Me opened an Environment board recently, which was immediately invaded by impressive…

So who's buying "Nexus", "Uncensored", and "Investigate?"

And books by Richard Hoagland and Michael Crichton.

And there were plenty of mobs willing to burn witches. That's what motivates me – the fear of a society which will embrace such deadly illusions.

Kracklite, you do go above and beyond the call…

So who's buying "Nexus", "Uncensored", and "Investigate?"

To the denialisers.

We all accept that humans have modified the land. We can see it around us everywhere. We can probably accept that humans have also altered [[http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/GlobalMarine|the sea and…

The odd thing about the loopier conspiracy theorists is that they [...]

Don't exist. I've met hundreds of people who think there's large groups of people out there who believe in grand conspiracy theories, and none who actually do. What would there be, a hundred in the whole country?

The…

Iran-contra. WaterGate. Prez of Ukraine poisoning by Russia & so too the Russian Billionaires in the UK...

True, to which I add the Gunpowder Plot and any secret cartel-type arrangement, including recent revelations of shady practices with ticket surcharges by BA and Virgin (Virgin fessed up).

However, one can't assume an…

As did Anna Nicole and the grubby old billionaire when they found each other – willing buyer, willing seller, what's the problem?

Now don't go dragging morality into it.

1stly They great fun.

2ndly A cockup doesn't rule out conspiracy it only serves to prove that the act was found out.

3rdly They're often true – WMDs anyone?
& just a few others off the top of my head.

Iran-contra. WaterGate. Prez of Ukraine…

Not a conspiracy of course, just a straightforward commercial arrangement.

Reminds me of what Peter Watts has to say about his working history:

He spent ten years getting a bunch of degrees in the ecophysiology of marine mammals (how's that for unbridled optimism), and another ten trying make a living…

On the evidence of my own eyes, Cockup theory and practice rules, all the way. ( Cindy B was even closer…

Comment of the week!

I'd like to thank the Academy, my agent, my parents, Stanley Kubrick who is a true genius as a director (even if he is dead), the costume designer, Frank my poodle, the make up artists, the lighting technicians, the best boy (what does he do anyway?),…

Erratum before some smark-aleck responds:

I'm not going to repeat myself, because as you should know – but clearly don't – repetition does not make something false true.

... nor does it make something true more or less true.

But you have found a glaring error anyway, its an abstract and we all know that that they twist the results.

Oh, THEM again.

Peer reviewed journals accept papers that present falsifiable hypotheses, not because they are already assumed to be true.

seal level and temperatures in NZ.

Really? I've…

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, therefore Francis Bacon wrote the plays of Shakespeare.

Comment of the week!

I quite like RNZ and don't mind Sean Plunket, but the rest of your comment above was very well put. :)

ISNT called ...A selective presentation of an isolated phenomenon from second-hand sources with all inconvenient data removed, scientific illiteracy"

No, it's called something else: out of context and probably contested. The fact that it is not a fairy tale doesn't make it absolutely true as a description of the ocean's…

first rank science journal

Oh, I love this. If it's apparently agreeable, then it's "first rate" and if it's not agreeable, then it's been fiddled by THEM.

rising at an average rate of 1.6 mm/yr

So, the fact that sea levels are rising means that there is no GW?

over…

adjusting the previous temperature records ... downwards

This is just laughable. Apart from the fact that the site is highly selective with some obvious lacunae (and Steve is trying to extrapolate the general from the specific... again), the implication is that 'adjustment' is and can only be imposed by some…

...better close down the Reserve Bank then. All the ministries. And parliament.

Steve…

Ill repeat the conclusions for the scaremongers
NO EVIDENCE OF ANY ACCELERATION IN SEA LEVELS ( for the last 100 years)

You don't say it – but by the use of upper case I conclude that you are implying that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a false premise. Is that your…

Check out the graphs, where the raw is blue the adjusted is red.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/RS_NewZealand.htm

Interesting to find this 2004 paper in a first rank science journal from an Otago University School of Surveying
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2003GL019166.shtml

The original analysis of long-term sea level change in New Zealand is updated with a new and extended analysis.....
These…

But Roger Douglas is back with them. Don't people love him anymore?

Well see. Now there's no funny left in the room. Completely used up!

I think he pretty much had all the funny with the words "party vote for Act" really.

But Roger Douglas is back with them. Don't people love him anymore?

I look forward to your party vote for Act then this year Russell :-).

I wish I could think of a suitably witty reply ...

I think he pretty much had all the funny with the words "party vote for Act" really.

But do understand this point: taking just one or two pieces of science from…

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=d7c7fcce-d248-4e97-ab72-1adbdbb1d0d0

The issue about climate modeling is a significant one. If you can't forecast the climate accurately, you don't have a basis for creating policy. I would have thought…

Having said that though, talk to a few Maori public servants about the way in which the foreshore and seabed protests (and the in-effect ban on Maori public servants having a voice on that issue) were handled if you want an example from the other end of the spectrum

I'm…

Did you expect any different froma party which is threatening public servants to discourage them from applying for the position of State Services Commissioner?

Unfortunately, having lain down with the kiwiblog right, they seem to be institutionalising thuggery as a political tactic.

National should pull their heads in on this…

McCully as Minister of Broadcasting:

Jonathan Coleman is National's Broadcasting guy now. His press releases haven't been up to much, but I thought he asked good questions when I talked to the Parliamentary Internet Caucus last year.

Yeah, one would be enough to do my head in too.

I look forward to your party vote for Act then this year Russell :-).

I wish I could think of a suitably witty reply ...

It's alright Russell, you didn;t need to explain.

I kind of feel I do, if only to explain that I've explained it before. It's the only Labour Party event I even attend, let alone participate in.

Yeah, one would be enough to do my head in too.

I look forward to…

I've explained this several times before, including to NBR

Talking of the NBR, it is my absolute favourite mag today. I encourage you all to buy a copy.

I really think this is extremely improper behaviour from McCully — and a direct attack on my livelihood.

Did you expect any different froma party which is threatening public servants to discourage them from applying for the position of State Services Commissioner?

Unfortunately, having lain down with the kiwiblog…

I think one of the problem with talking about concensus is that it is practically impossible to get scientists to _absolutely_ agree about anything. It is in fact their job to question stuff and say "Maybe, but I'd really like to actually see the raw data on this".

Unfortunately this…

He almost lost East Coast Bays in 2002. Is it too much to dream that such an event might come to pass once more?

It looked and sounded huge,

extensive use of baking tracks – watch the drummer. (here's one I baked earlier)

Stand by for the usual well-rehearsed outrage when he gets called on it. ("What, me ref?").

http://www.herodebate.org.nz/

The best pic is of Buckwheat in her amazing dress. People burst into applause when she arrived.

It's alright Russell, you didn;t need to explain.

I kind of feel I do, if only to explain that I've explained it before. It's the only Labour Party event I even attend, let alone participate in.

possible communist, homosexual sympathiser".

Definitely not the former, absolutely the latter!

I see russell is is in McCully's sights

Sigh ... it's presumably only just come to his attention, but I do the Hero Debate every year — it's really good fun. Gay audiences laugh like drains when you tell 'em foul jokes. The fouler, the better. Although Stephen Gray out-fouls…

From memory I think the lower the number denier (pronounced to kind of rhyme with 'derriere'), the more sheer the stocking.

I think one of the problem with talking about concensus is that it is practically impossible to get scientists to _absolutely_ agree about anything.

A truer phrase has never been spoken – I work in an organisation full of scientists – getting them to even agree to a meeting time…

"denialadilators"?

Why does that sound so rude?

"denialadilators"?

Helen’s Little Helpers at TVNZ
Stung by Prime Ministerial claims that her Government’s minor poll setbacks are purely the result of a hostile right wing media, Helen’s little helpers at TVNZ have clearly decided on a bold initiative to win her affections.…

First!

How Web 1.0 of you, Graeme.

...wipes out a century of warming

And here was me thinking that up until the end of 2k7 the denial business was emphatically denying that there was any real evidence for "a century of warming" at all.

we can all…

ANS: "no."

"denialators", nice.

Unfortunately this…

Though I think Denialators has a better ring to it. (Ya know?... Denialator / Terminator )

To paraphrase Mr. J. Cameron __"They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you…

__* I'm experimenting with the new word denialisers, to see if it mollifies people who absolutely insist that "deniers" is an explicit reference to Holocaust denial. (Poneke did that recently, but the…

The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998,…

Thank you. You just saved me 5 minutes. Perhaps we should coordinate? I'll mark Poneke and you make sure the ball doesn't get to James :)

I am, right this moment, laughing with you. First sentence:

Over the past year, *anecdotal* evidence for a cooling planet has exploded.

And this from the same people who won't accept mounds of *scientific* evidence that AGW is real.

The graphs show what you'd expect from a La Nin~a. A lot of the earth much (3-5…

Speaking of women with men's names – Barack Obama's mom's first name is Stanley.

It seems Mr Romm hasn't caught up with this, rather solid looking data. Doesn't fit in too well with his rather definitive statements that the world is warming up.

How helpful that that blog post should trumpet its scientific illiteracy right there in its subhead:

**Twelve-month long drop in world…

Are you meaning IT people? Or anyone who works at Parliament?

Everyone's nice to the IT guy.

Hardly anyone is nice to people at parliament.

Are you meaning IT people? Or anyone who works at Parliament?

Is this a trick question? :-)

They usually don't get to speak to real people very often....(or at least about anything vaguely intelligible)

Are you meaning IT people? Or anyone who works at Parliament?

Maybe instead of whining about all those nasty "deniers" he should be out picking up a few winter woolies?

Honestly, who…

Yes but he probably appreicates the interest. They usually don't get to speak to real people very often....(or at least about anything vaguely intelligible)

It's not. He's the IT guy, okay?

I knew it all along! :)

OK, Ok, i'm stopping.

identity of the phantom Wikipedia editor. It's not. He's the IT guy, okay?

As an IT guy, I can only agree.

On a vaguely related Telco note, Cunliffe has turned down Telecom's operational separation plan. That's good news for the rest of us as there was still far too much…

Just a quick comment to get this onto PA System, given that the RSS feed funning into the System home page is broken today.

If believe the obligatory opening comment is supposed to be something like:

First!

And people think you know something about teh Internet :-)

although most of the bits in between were crap, the stage performances were brilliantly produced

Agreed. The set design for some of those performances was just awesome. I was also pretty thrilled by the Arctic Monkeys' incredibly drunk antics at the podium. Instead of doing all that bullshit agent-thanking, one…

Why did matt and Catherine add an indefinite article to their daughter's surname? Stutter? Uncertainty?

No that was me leaving the last two letters off Matt's surname. Told you I was tired.

Please note the part addressed to people who think they've…