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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						If it's 7 million I presume that means 7 million times a person will view a programme on MTS. So if a person tuned in 10 different times they count as 10.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:59:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What on Earth is a unique viewer?</p></blockquote><p>One you unique on so he doesn't know he is being observed?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Well, that's quite an funny mistake to make. But it doesn't really alter it ... the article as I see it says:</p><blockquote><p>The papers show Maori TV earns $1m a year in advertising and has 1.7m unique viewers a month. <strong>The rugby would bring seven million unique viewers a month</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:03:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Apparently, Maori TV were expecting 7.1m of them a month if they broadcast the Rugby World Cup. Maybe their broadcasting range is a bit bigger than we've been led to believe?</p></blockquote><p>The story (now?) says 1.7 million "unique viewers" monthly. The term isn't often used in the broadcast context, but…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:54:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Perhaps someone can explain this to me:</p><p>What on Earth is a <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3036867/Maori-TV-hoped-cup-deal-would-quadruple-audience" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">unique viewer</a>?</p><p>Apparently, Maori TV were expecting 7.1m of them a month if they broadcast the Rugby World Cup. Maybe their broadcasting range is a bit bigger than we've been led to believe?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:39:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						DeepRed, I did think it was rather chilly this morning. Run on ice skates and skis in the depths of Hades?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:17:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Still on ACC, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10604450" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">would you believe it...</a></p><blockquote><p>The issue also met with condemnation from the Employers and Manufacturers' Federation, which issued a statement opposing a repeat of the 1999 exercise, saying employers were wary. Its health and safety manager Paul Harvie said 1999 had turned into a bun fight between insurers…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:04:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<p>Looks like everyone knew about the MTS bid for RWC, but because they never spoke about it amongst themselves they could claim <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/english-guarded-june-rugby-bid-talks-113675" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">plausible deniability</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Despite Mr English's apparent awareness of the MTS plan, Broadcasting Minister Jonathan Coleman said he didn't know about it until last month.</p><p>Mr English today told…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:47:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						And please don't feel I'm poo-poo'ing your concerns, either. I'm genuinely curious as to whether I've missed some aspect of the scheme that could warrant further investigation.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:49:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Dinah, why do you consider it insidious? There're an awful lot of data-sharing arrangements between departments as it is, so it's not like there's anything in the proposal that is particularly new and scary.<br />The single sign-on (SSO) concept for accessing e-government services is, I think, very worthwhile. The biggest…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:17:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dinah Dunavan</title>
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						<p>Not sure where to post this question.<br />Has anyone else heard of igovt? I just read about it.<br /><a href="https://www2.i.govt.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www2.i.govt.nz/</a><br />Is it just me or is this a bit insidious?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:12:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James W</title>
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						<p>On nzherald.co.nz:</p><p>"Breaking News: MMP referendum to be held with election in 2011... details soon"</p><p>*Bangs head repeatedly on desk*</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:56:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote>Given that the workers' account is the only part of ACC that's self-funding, we're yet again seeing the "privatise the profits, socialise the losses" mentality at work. Hat-tip to my brother for pointing that bit out. Strip out the bit that pays its own way, and leave the taxpayer to…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:24:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Just to get back to ACC, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10604229" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this article</a> has a wonderful (for values of wonderful that equate to "not in the least") quote from Key: <em>"need to be convinced that there were benefits both to the Government and the private sector".</em></p><p>What about the public, John? What about the workers? You…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:07:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Gareth, it's like a newspaper spoiler. If Maori TV had exclusive (free-to-air) coverage of all the All Blacks' pool games, then people might get into the habit of watching the channel, then stick with them for the 'big' games, from quarter-final on.</p><p>As it is, Maori TV won't get any…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:29:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						I really don't get why most RWC games are to be shown on (at least) 4 different channels at the same time?  Why exactly does TVNZ, MTS, TV3 and Sky all need to show the same thing?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:23:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>introducing competition for the only profitable part of the scheme is just creaming large amounts of public funds into private pockets while leaving taxpayers with most of the risk.</p></blockquote><p>This this oh god this.  And it's not just the most profitable <em>parts</em>, it's the most profitable <em>people</em> (i.e. leave ACC…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:01:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Looks like Maori TV have got squashed.</p><p>The All Blacks' quarter-final defeat against England will be on One, Three, Maori (and Sky). All the knockout games will be shared, and the opener.</p><p>So "leading the bid" means pool games only.</p><p>(Edit: No, not even that. Scoop reports New Zealand vs…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:46:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>World Cup losses rocket to $39m</p></blockquote><p>I want to see a list of expenses. Where is the... most of a hundred million $ that ticket sales will earn going? Apart from selling tickets and putting the actual games on.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:05:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Briefly back on topic...</p><p>Can I see the whole thing becoming our mini-Montreal '76?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10603752" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">World Cup losses rocket to $39m</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:37:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Take that you money grabbing Christians...<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10603992&amp;pnum=0 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Tapu Misa: Casting the socialists out of the temple</a>The proposed ACC changes come from the same bucket of poo.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:59:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>The alternative was to load future costs on to future taxpayers at a time when there would be far fewer taxpayers for every older person.</blockquote>Don't younger people have more accidents? the numbers would balance out surely?.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:55:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10604027" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sir Owen Woodhouse says</a> the latest changes breach the ACC scheme's principles. Given that he designed them, I'd listen, even though it's that notorious left-wing rag, the Herald.</p><blockquote><p>Its five principles were community responsibility for accidents and supporting accident victims, comprehensive entitlement regardless of what caused the accident, complete rehabilitation, compensation…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Sigh... so if everyone says it, it's true? </blockquote> No, if John Key says it then changes his mind and says"Well it's an option afterall we did campaign on this" (bullshit)then because he says it, we are happy to kiss his arse. I don't think so.Hey I ain't surprised. Just don't…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:27:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What does 'introducing competition' mean to you, Craig?</p></blockquote><p>No more proof of some vast secret agenda than the fact that under the term of the last government my partner has a bypass operation in a private hospital is proof that the Liarbore dykeocracy had a secret agenda to privatise cardiac…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:25:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						What does 'introducing competition' mean to you, Craig?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Craig, I do not know what either Key or myself could say that was any clearer. It's hardly a unique characterisation.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It was a biased tv3 story, but pretty clear:</p></blockquote><p>The wonders of confirmation bias... Sorry, guys, but this really stinks of hearing what you want to and nothing Key says or does is going to make a blind bit of difference.  But I guess that's the wonderful thing about pushing…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>It was a biased <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/National-negotiates-with-ACT-over-ACC-competition/tabid/209/articleID/125771/cat/772/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tv3 story</a>, but pretty clear:</p><blockquote><p>And Key admits introducing competition to some ACC accounts is fast becoming a reality.</p><p>“We are quite comfortable moving in that direction and looking at that competition, how that might be introduced, we don't have a solution at this time. That’s…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>I watched Three News tonight, and if he said any such thing I missed it</blockquote> I heard it. He specifically said there was the option to look at privitising parts of ACC. Of course it was after entering negotiations with ACT. What would the dog be otherwise? Goff then offered…
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Yes, Sofie, and on Fox News, they've just run footage ...</blockquote> Well perhaps we could get Key on the Fox news yes? Better suited for that channel? Now that he's finished with Letterman et al.Yes that sounds like a good idea Craig. Go to.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I just can't imagine who would want to own ACC.</p></blockquote><p>The ambulance chaser industry, of course!</p>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>And on TV3 news, John Key admitting a move toward privatisation of ACC.</em></p><p>Yes, Sofie, and on Fox News, they've just run footage of Saddam Hussein Obama admitting his intention to celebrate the creation of the United Socialist States of America by smothering Trig Palin with his own fascist hands.…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Back OT: Audrey Young has a definitive (with appropriate caveats) timeline of the RWC debacle:</p></blockquote><p>Would this be one of the "appropriate caveats":</p><blockquote><p>At least it is TPK's and Pita Sharples' version of who knew what and when.</p><p>It shows that the first time the $3 million was discussed was…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And on TV3 news, John Key admitting a move toward privatisation of ACC .</p></blockquote><p>Yes, Sofie, and on Fox News, they've just run footage of Saddam Hussein Obama admitting his intention to celebrate the creation of the United Socialist States of America by smothering Trig Palin with his own fascist…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>What parts of ACC, one would ask.</blockquote> His answer was "towards some"
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						And on TV3 news, John Key admitting a move toward privatisation of ACC . Without Act they cant pass their ACC bill and Act have said they wont compromise on wanting privatisation, so once again the wag of the tail has given Key the opportunity to do that which he…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Back OT: Audrey Young has a definitive (with appropriate caveats) <a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/10/16/who-knew-what-and-when/?c_id=1501219" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">timeline of the RWC debacle</a>:</p><p>Bill English knew in June that TPK would be supporting an MTS bid as part of its RWC programme &mdash; but not necessarily that it planned to subsidise the MTS bid to the tune of…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						On the topic of "motorcyclists v. bicyclists", <a href="http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/toll.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">no lesser authority than the LTSA</a> says that the number of fatalities for these modes of transport, YTD, is 37 and 7 respectively. I'll see those hysterical motorcyclists their "unfair" treatment of cyclists and raise them a "fuck you, you're in far more…
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						<blockquote><p>Or maybe a silver star? ;-)</p></blockquote><p>Oh al'right, seeing as you're not greedy.</p>
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						...and the kid would need to be caled Kiwi.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tourism NZ should have come up with this one. Global news coverage, hours of footage, panoramic views, happy ending, balloon on E-bay. Better than a hundred giant rugby balls or Lettermans.</p></blockquote><p>You've missed the obvious coup de grace of having the balloon <em>shaped like a giant rugby ball</em>.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I would like to think the whole thing comes down to a prank by the siblings...</p></blockquote><p>Do I get a job on the next series of "Sensing Murd... oh wait  er...  Sensing Sibling Pranks and Boys down wells and stuff?.<br />Or maybe a silver star? ;-)</p>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						Tourism NZ should have come up with this one. Global news coverage, hours of footage, panoramic views, happy ending, balloon on E-bay. Better than a hundred giant rugby balls or Lettermans.
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Balloon not so well off though; they attacked it with shovels.</p></blockquote><p>If by some miracle of physics the boy was in the helium capsule, and alive, I wanted the news anchor commenting on it to squeal out that the main danger was that he might be killed by a shovel…</p>
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						<p>Relax people, the kid with the Palinesque name has been found in the attic.</p><p>Balloon not so well off though; they attacked it with shovels.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"OMG the boy could have breathed in that helium"</p></blockquote><p>OMG. He might have a squeaky voice forever!</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						If I had the name Falcon, would I want to fly???
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						The 6 year old's name is Falcon and his family have been on TV's 'Wife Swap'.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>In other News.<br /><strong>Balloon Boy Over Colorado</strong><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8E38C-W81I" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8E38C-W81I</a><br />We think our Jounos. are bad<br />"OMG the boy could have breathed in that helium"<br />And "How could he have gotten in there without the gas escaping"<br />Physics fail!<br />I would like to think the whole thing comes down to a prank…</p>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>That didn't work as intended.</p><p>Here's a link to Spanish Cycle-way dividers</p><p><a href="http://canterburyheritage.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://canterburyheritage.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html</a></p><p>It's down the bottom.</p><p>The picture didn't take, but the Spanish road/cycleway deviders look like Rugby Balls sunk into the road.</p><p>(The only way you can get Cash is if you use the R-word)</p>
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						Didn't work &ndash; see below
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You Kyle, get the gold star today :)</p></blockquote><p>Woowoo! Sweet.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						You Kyle, get the gold star today :)
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I used a bike every day of every year of my secondary school years (even through snow!) in Auckland.</p></blockquote><p>Snow being such a common feature in Auckland. Endless blizzards, every winter.</p>
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						<p>@Ben<br />I used a bike every day of every year of my secondary school years (even through snow!) in Auckland. I then used one that I brought back from Oz  to NZ later in life. When I stopped, was when I wanted to. If I wanted to use a bike…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Let's do it. It'll probably be less trouble than us all meeting in Wellington at this stage.
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						<blockquote><p>Who's up for a trip to Spain?</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like fun. I could throw in a trip to <br /><a href="http://www.tripwolf.com/en/guide/show/19174/Spain/Briviesca" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bribiesca</a> at the same time. It's just down the road from San Sebastian.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>and where will the dog fit?</p></blockquote><p>A dog can either fit in the carrier, or run along beside.</p><blockquote><p>Now if we just flatten a few hills</p></blockquote><p>Get an electric if you're not cycle-fit. They're not really that expensive.</p><blockquote><p>Those people don't have hamlets on.</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps they have insurance? One of…</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't that look like a far more comfortable, less competitive, form of transport just because there was no uniform attached to the mode of transport. Now if we just flatten a few hills.....</p></blockquote><p>I'm all for <a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/08/worlds-longest-bicycle-tunnel-opens.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'flattening'</a> hills... now if we could get some of that money that Joyce is…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Sorry. I meant to say "And those bloody psychics"<br />Damn spell check.<br />As you were.<br />;-)</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cycling should be a normal mode of transport, not a cultish fashion parade at high speed.</p><p>Agreed. These people think so too. There's a policy oriented version by the same guy, but the emphasis on people who wear normal clothing is incredibly important.</p></blockquote><p>And we have our own local version…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1EXbMEfJM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1EXbMEfJM</a><br />Hamlet, but no helmet.</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						It can be tricky to get a hamlet onto a bike
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						<blockquote><p>Agreed. These people think so too.</p></blockquote><p>Don't that look like a far more comfortable, less competitive, form of transport just because there was no uniform attached to the mode of transport. Now if we just flatten a few hills.....<br />and where will the dog fit?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Cycling should be a normal mode of transport, not a cultish fashion parade at high speed.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. <a href="http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">These people</a> think so too. There's a <a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">policy oriented version</a> by the same guy, but the emphasis on people who wear normal clothing is incredibly important.</p>
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						<p>I've been passed by joggers when riding my bike.</p><p>And that steam bike might have a problem going around the bends. But hey it'll cook diner too.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:31:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cycling should be a normal mode of transport, not a cultish fashion parade at high speed.</p></blockquote><p>Personally, I wear jeans, t-shirt and sneakers when I cycle, but I'm aware that does place limits on how hard I can go. The way I see it, when I'm on a bike it's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:58:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>nobody carried out due diligence on their ability to deliver</p></blockquote><p>Pretty sure they did. Audit Office rep involved throughout the process.  Someone obviously spun a jolly good line over-estimating their competence.</p><p>At least it seems the agreement must have had the right clauses to let the combined DHBs put their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:05:27 +1300</pubDate>
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						Cycling should be a normal mode of  transport, not a cultish fashion parade at high speed.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:12:49 +1300</pubDate>
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						Just watched TV3 News and John Judge knew what was coming, he looked like he was having a heart attack just watching Nick Smith dig the whole for himself.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:07:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>See, now that's where I blame the lycra. ;)</p></blockquote><p>Yes, I often wonder what is inherently difficult about the idea of lycra that actually looks cool.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>There's more cyclists than us on here, you know. Just that some of them are still in the closet.</blockquote> See, now that's where I blame the lycra. ;)
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						There's more cyclists than us on here, you know.  Just that some of them are still in the closet.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:36:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Either way, I'm leaving this one well alone.</p></blockquote><p>I thought this was actually a wind up. Y'know, for the likes of Jack and Slack :)</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm all kinds of angry about that.</p></blockquote><p>Smith shouldn't go giving his family ideas like that.</p>
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						<p>Just heard Nick Smith said something to the effect of:</p><p>&ndash; If he was given 30 days to live he'ld throw himself under a train on the 29th day so his family would be paid out by ACC.</p><p>I'm all kinds of angry about that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:07:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						I'm guilty of being both.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:03:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Grrr Cyclist shouldn't be on the road, they should be on cycle ways.</p></blockquote><p>Reading this, I can't tell whether you're cyclist arguing for dedicated cycleways, or a driver fulminating against those annoying cyclists.  Either way, I'm leaving this one well alone.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:42:07 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Grrr Cyclist shouldn't be on the road, they should be on cycle ways. </p><p>But hey with the total subsidy given to Cars, Trucks and Motorcycles leaves little room for sensible modes of mobility.<br />Remeber a traffic jam is anything but, mobility.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:16:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kyle: Do you think that this might raise some issues that are slightly more important than a spite fuck? I don't have any time for Trevor Mallard, but I wouldn't have wished this on him.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I can happily be gleeful at the prospect of him having to spend his…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:10:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>anth</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Who is it that causes the most motorcycle accidents?<br />car drivers.</p></blockquote><p>According to the page you linked to the other driver is at fault 62% of the time in the 67% of motorcycle accidents that involve another vehicle. That suggests that the other driver is at fault in 41.5% of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:31:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We are, once again, being taken for suckers. As for the motorcyclists. Who is it that causes the most motorcycle accidents?<br />car drivers. And those bloody cyclists...</p></blockquote><p>In an ideal world, ACC vehicle premiums would be weighted against truckies and suburban assault vehicles. But no, the RTF et al make…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>- ACC being used as a means of clawing back tax breaks while also trying to garner more funds to keep itself afloat until a privateer comes along</p></blockquote><p>I have been thinking about this since Nact  stole the election.<br />Last time the Nats were in they privatised  ACC and what a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Of course there was no conflict of interest was there?.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure I want to go there, Steve, but wouldn't it be nice if Audrey Young bothered?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how Labtests could be given a five hundred and sixty million dollar contract to be the sole provider of essential lab services, when it seems nobody carried out due diligence on their ability to deliver?</p></blockquote><p>Well, we do, actually, know the answer to that but I fear a gagging order.<br />Of…</p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how Labtests could be given a five hundred and sixty million dollar contract to be the sole provider of essential lab services, when it seems nobody carried out due diligence on their ability to deliver?</p></blockquote><p>That is an  <em>excellent question</em>  Craig.</p><blockquote><p>Meanwhile, where the hell is the public outrage about…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						I have changed my opinion about the appropriateness of MTS to bid for the RWC.  When the news first broke, I argued that it wasn't within the cultural brief of MTS to pursue exclusive rights to global sporting events. In wake of the  dishonest shenanigans of Nat politicians (McCully et…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And would you agree that the racist card was being dealt out with an ease the facts don't really support?</p></blockquote><p>I would.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Until then, it had all been about the terrible injury done to MTS, big mean gummint, etc.</p></blockquote><p>And would you agree that the racist card was being dealt out with an ease the facts don't really support?</p><blockquote><p>by calling in more money from iwi authorities</p></blockquote><p>No public scrutiny or accountability…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0910/S00137.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gordon Campbell</a>:</p><blockquote><p>So the outcome of the Rugby World Cup fiasco is a reversion to sanity – one bid only, involving Maori Television, TVNZ and TV3. In order to preserve the mana of the Maori Party, Maori Television will reportedly ‘lead’ that bid. Offshore of course, the IRB can still…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quite. If we stand in the queue with our hats on, we can borrow a few million more, apparently.</p></blockquote><p>Apprently, you could go inside and dry off for a week if the banks put as much effort into paying their taxes as they do into avoiding them.</p>
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						<p>So we appear to have<br />&ndash; a collosal fuck-up by DHB/Health Ministry (oversight) on the LabTests contract<br />&ndash; government appearing to make policy up on the hoof re RWC television bidding<br />&ndash; Maori Party ducking &amp; diving on their attempt to put up a pre-emptive RWC broacasting bid<br />&ndash; Johnathan Coleman…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's certainly the impression I've gained. TVNZ management seem to have a very different perspective on how how things went.</p></blockquote><p>Is that a polite way of saying someone is lying their arses off but you're not sure who (which is unforgivable), or that there's room to think they're looking at…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<p>Wow, that was a tawdry little précis Craig! </p><p>Outraged of Brooklyn</p>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And as Finlay Macdonald acidly observed on The Panel yesterday, wouldn't it be nice if we could get as OUTRAGED over ... the Government ... borrowing like a P-head with a ravenous King Kong-sized monkey on its back?</p></blockquote><p>Quite. If we stand in the queue with our hats on, we…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But I am blaming the media in general for failing to set the tenor. Sensationalism over sense, every time.</p></blockquote><p>I also suspect there's an element of "if it bleeds, it leads" where medical stories are concerned &mdash; the Labtest story is complicated and you apparently need nija-level skills in obfuscation…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Audrey Young is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10603273" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">useful again</a> today:</p><p>She laud's Key's timing (and notes Roger Doulgas's comparison of key to Muldoon!), and has some documents:</p><blockquote><p>According to notes leaked to the Herald and prepared for Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples, photocopies of the MTS bid were delivered to the offices of Finance Minister…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						@Craig, those are exactly the questions I was asking My Darling when the piece aired on tv.  Are they going to dock 10% of the contract money for LabTests now they are reverting 10% of the testing back to DML?  (As well as, or instead of, the $4.4m extra cost.)…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Oh, and could someone explain to me why that $4.4 million isn't being withheld from Labtests &mdash; considering the cost has been incurred by the company's inability to provide contracted services?  The Herald doesn't seem particularly interested in asking.
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote>but isn't it a shame that the political editor of Auckland's only daily newspaper hasn't, as far as I can see, seen fit to ask the Health Minister whether a pointed question or two about how Labtests could be given a five hundred and sixty million dollar contract to be…</blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In fact, the collective writings of Audrey Young on this whole issue have been pretty damn illuminating, and tell a much more nuanced story than pretty much anything else I've seen in any other media.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but isn't it a shame that the political editor of Auckland's only daily newspaper…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:07:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Good interview technique is as much about knowing when to move on (and get your ego out of the room) as when to push.</p></blockquote><p>Jeremy Paxman of BBC Newsnight had a famous interview where he asked Michael Howard "Did you threaten to overrule him" 14 times.</p><p>It's now called "Doing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Look on it as him owing us for fifteen things that he's done in the past. This doesn't come close to making up for it, you can drop the sympathy.</p></blockquote><p>Kyle: Do you think that this might raise some issues that are slightly more important than a spite fuck?  I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:03:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>A S</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Must correct you there. According to Treasury, government appropriations amount to about 5% of TVNZ's income.</p><p>With the Charter removed, almost all of that in the current year is the $18 million to run and produce programming for the two digital channels, which stops in just over two years.</p><p>TVNZ…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:50:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And it does bear mention that MTS CEO Jim Mather rejected a joint bid in favour of going it alone</p></blockquote><p>Mather's press release, as <a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/10/14/time-key-exercise-leadership-tv-bids/?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10603171" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">quoted by Audrey Young</a> puts it differently.</p><blockquote><p>Maori Television did not decide to go it alone, as stated by Dr Coleman. The IRB bid required that all…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:22:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>update:</p><p>The meeting has had an effect.</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/2962132/Government-World-Cup-broadcasting-backdown" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/2962132/Government-World-Cup-broadcasting-backdown</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:16:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wouldn't most people who think HD is vital for watching sport be SKY subscribers anyway?</p></blockquote><p>I certainly would like to see it in HD and am not a Sky Sports subscriber.<br />But again, this is presumedly part of the IRB's decision making process.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:53:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And the respective broadcasters are meeting right now in search of a solution.</p></blockquote><p>The stumbling block will be that all three broadcasters want the All Blacks' quarter-final, but none want the final.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						Wouldn't most people who think HD is vital for watching sport be SKY subscribers anyway?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:42:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Next question: will live free-to-air games be broadcast in HD?</p><p>It's an angle no one's talked about so far, but I can see it becoming an issue if MTS only sub-contracts delayed rights, because MTS isn't HD-capable.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:35:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is it too late for the IRB to give it to Ozzy?</p><p>I need to know 'cause I was going to go there during the RWC here, but I not so sure anymore.</p></blockquote><p>Don't joke. Better still, post guards at all NZ airports to ensure John O'Neill can't get past…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:08:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Scott A</title>
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						Woah, imagine that &ndash; a rugby world cup run by The Osbournes!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:59:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>Is it too late for the IRB to give it to Ozzy?</p><p>I need to know 'cause I was going to go there during the RWC here, but I not so sure anymore.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:58:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd much rather the government didn't give anyone money for one-off populist events to appear on TV.</p></blockquote><p>Oh for sure.  I just mean that each channel should have approached it's "shareholder" for funding as per normal arrangements.  In an ideal world, a coordinated Government investment process would have seen those…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:51:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can't help but feel what should have happened in the first place was the Government saying "we'll give $5m to whichever of you win, but you're operationally independent TV companies making a tender to the IRB so it's not a political decision"</p></blockquote><p>I'd much rather the government didn't give…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:38:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>And the respective broadcasters are <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/2962132/Meeting-to-sort-Rugby-World-Cup-broadcasting-row" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">meeting right now</a> in search of a solution.</p><p>What I said before about talking about this first ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:35:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This is what should have happened in the first place.</p></blockquote><p>I can't help but feel what should have happened in the first place was the Government saying "we'll give $5m to whichever of you win, but you're operationally independent TV companies making a tender to the IRB so it's not…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:28:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Although that is based on the fact that NZ has put up competing offers &ndash; a single MTS/TV3 bid would have taken the ball out of the IRB's court somewhat. Would they really have played hardball and said "no FTA coverage in the hosting country"?</p></blockquote><p>No, and MTS jumping in…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>This just in from the Herald ...</p><blockquote><p>The Rugby World Cup bidding war between TVNZ and Maori TV is going back to the drawing board.</p><p>Prime Minister John Key says the Government wants a single bid, led by Maori TV.</p><p>He is meeting with TVNZ and Maori TV representatives this…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:23:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<p><a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/10/14/time-key-exercise-leadership-tv-bids/?c_id=1501219" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">More from Audrey Young</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Photocopies of the Maori Television Service bid were personally delivered to the offices of Finance Minister Bill English and Associate Rugby World Cup Minister Gerry Brownlee on September 24, according to another leaked document (keep them coming!)</p><p>The delivery was from Te Puni Kokiri staffer Craig…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:16:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						That ticket thing is out of their hands though &ndash; it's the IRB who's making the call here, based on competing commercial offers.   That seems to get a bit lost in all this fuss really &ndash; for all the cries of "national interest" this and "coverage in Paihia" that, the…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:26:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Something about an enema of the people..
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the fact that our two government owned broadcasters have decided to both reach into the public purse to outbid each other, probably ratcheting up the price as a result, is good for the IRB, but down to our incompetence rather than anything on the IRB's part.</p></blockquote><p>Quite right. I didn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Current All Hacks selections:</p><p>First-five and goal-kicker: Audrey Young.</p><p>Try-scorer on the left-wing: Gordon Campbell.</p><p>Front row enforcer: Derek Fox.</p><p>Keep it up, team!</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:25:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						Snap. All about the money with these guys.
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						<p>Plausible <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10603055" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">speculation</a> about govt motivation:</p><blockquote><p>The Herald understands the Government's concern about Maori TV's coverage relates to fears about small crowds at the tournament, already expected to make a $40 million loss.</p><p>The Government and Rugby Union can make money only from ticket sales, and are worried about how these would…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Oliver Sealy</title>
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						According to the Herald the government can only make money from this event from ticket sales. And given that MTS is non commercial, it's not that surprising that a national government would choose to back TVNZ who could/should be able to turn a profit from these free-to-air rights that would…
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						<blockquote><p>Sean Plukett's blustering and bullying is ever more frequently on display, with less and less lucid moments &ndash; his shouting down of Karl Anderson this morning but one example.</p></blockquote><p>He was pretty rude to the woman from the teachers union this morning too, although she handled him pretty well. He…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Must correct you there. According to Treasury, government appropriations amount to about 5% of TVNZ's income.</p></blockquote><p>Wow I didn't realise they were so close to actually running in the black. And they definitely don't get most of their money from the government then.</p><p>I'm still not happy about giving 19…</p>
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						<p>@Richard Aston: I don't think there is that much wrong with the format, and I am not a supporter of relying on a web feed of opinion for "news" as a substitute for journalists investigating stories, which is what such feeds inevitably become. </p><p>I think the incessant repetition of the…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And here we are again &ndash; NZ getting rooted up the anal passage by international Rugby. Again!</p></blockquote><p>I don't buy this. Any major sporting event will try and get as much money as possible out of broadcasting rights, sponsorship, etc. The fact that our two government owned broadcasters have decided…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Isn't National meant to be all about cutting back on wasted bureaucracy? Surely going through the accounting needed to take a dividend from a Government owned institute the gets most of it's money from the Government is a total waste of money.</p></blockquote><p>Must correct you there. <a href="http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2009/ise/v8/035.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">According to Treasury</a>, government…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Just as an aside, I am increasingly finding that Morning Report is not really worth listening to. </p><p>Geoff Robinson has  been really, really poor lately, and seems to be getting worse. Memo to to Geoff: Ralda Familton style advertorials are twenty-five years out of date, and were only used for…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>pay the government a dividend every year</p></blockquote><p>Does anyone else think this dividend stuff is a complete waste of money?</p><p>Isn't National meant to be all about cutting back on wasted bureaucracy? Surely going through the accounting needed to take a dividend from a Government owned institute the gets most…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but pay the government a dividend every year.</p></blockquote><p>And on that score, do you think Coleman and Trevor Mallard would front up to Media 7 and give a straight answer to this straight question:</p><p>If you're forcing TVNZ to fork over a hefty dividend, isn't it a wee bit disingenuous…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Too fucking right. And with all due disrespect to Geoff Robinson, perhaps the media could stop letting Sharples get away with dog whistling racism. Sure, he's a little more subtle about it than Turia or Harawira, but I'm not sure that's a good thing.</p></blockquote><p>Robinson did really feed him lines…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why on earth should it?</p></blockquote><p>I've got to agree with Russell, here.  Sure, ping TVNZ for their long and rather squalid history of citing "commercial confidentiality"  when it comes to their use of tax-payer funds &mdash; anyone remember the <em>NZ Idol</em> rort?  But if the public purse is being (ab)used…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>When TVNZ comes out and says thanks, but no thanks to the proposed additional cash to put their revised bid in, I'll happily agree with you.</p></blockquote><p>Why on <em>earth</em> should it? TVNZ has had to walk away from one major sporting event after another &mdash; most recently the Commonwealth Games…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I guess that would depend on how many business/tourism opportunities or jobs for Maori TVNZ is proposing on generating from their additional funding.</p></blockquote><p>Apparently that was one of the factors that influenced the Government's actions, according to Patrick Gower in today's Herald.</p><blockquote><p>TVNZ's involvement is necessary because it has the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						well we the taxpayers are fronting up $300m &ndash; you don't think we should get something for it? after spending that sort of dosh you think we should have to pay to see it on TV as well?
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>I guess my confusion over this is: how come anyone still cares about people who don't have Sky watching any sport?</p><p>Face it: Sky owns ALL the sport here, apart from some minor, minor motorsport, some of the netball and delayed NZ basketball (Breakers being live only on the Te…</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And here we are again &ndash; NZ getting rooted up the anal passage by international Rugby. Again!</p></blockquote><p>This is, of course, veering scarily close to the literal truth.</p>
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						I guess that would depend on how many business/tourism opportunities or jobs for Maori TVNZ is proposing on generating from their additional funding.
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						I guess TVNZ will turn down the additional money right after MTS does the same.
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>we now have our government bidding against itself in a rights auction</p></blockquote><p>IRB must be pretty happy. </p><p>And here we are again &ndash; NZ getting rooted up the anal passage by international Rugby. Again! </p><p>Can't wait for the British newspapers.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I think your beef should be with the Government, rather than TVNZ</p></blockquote><p>When TVNZ comes out and says thanks, but no thanks to the proposed additional cash to put their revised bid in, I'll happily agree with you.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Seeing the MTS getting shafted by TVNZ...</p></blockquote><p>I think your beef should be with the Government, rather than TVNZ.  I know putting the boot into the Big, Bad Broadcaster (tm) is a favoured past-time that almost rivals kicking the All Black coach every time they lose, but I think you…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It's proposing to fund the production of "hundreds" of TV programmes to support a venture Te Mangai Paho says it doesn't want a part of. I think they could have told Cabinet about that.</p></blockquote><p>It is only proposing to do that in amongst a pretty broad range of other things,…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did he do something?</p></blockquote><p>nothing more really needs to be said, thanks Russell on the pulse. Craig, you got a whole lot out of my system with that.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did he do something?</p></blockquote><p>Brilliant.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the important distinction here is that from my reading of the paper republished in the Herald, TPK wasn't getting into broadcasting, it would have been purchasing a broad (maybe overly broad) range of Maori development opportunities/outcomes.</p></blockquote><p>It's proposing to fund the production of "hundreds" of TV programmes to…</p>
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						<p>Just in relation to</p><blockquote><p>It's grand, audacious and, hey, maybe crazy enough to work. But TPK really needs to tell Cabinet if it's going to be a broadcast funding agency.</p></blockquote><p>and</p><blockquote><p>The sad thing about this whole saga is that you're right Russell, the development fund clearly isn't for this…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not the evil Chimpy McBushitler either and haven't declared war on Canada, yet &mdash; can I have a million bucks and a medal too?</p></blockquote><p>The best assessments I've heard mirror this &ndash; that it's sort of like when the school bully stops beating kids up; they get way more…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But my goodness, David Farrar is finding lots of other things to blog about today ...</p></blockquote><p>Yes, Russell, and you've been known to get rather pissed when folks call you a Labour hack because you don't post on matters of import (at least to them).  </p><p>Back on planet Earth and…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did he do something?</p></blockquote><p>I'm blaming my cold for the fact that I can't tell whether this is beautifully cynical commentary or a genuine query.</p>
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						It seems to me that TVNZ and TV3 did not bid in order to force the price down &ndash; probably with the Nat govt's approval (if that's not illegal then its highly unethical I would imagine, which is why they cannot publicly admit to it.) MTS saw an opportunity to…
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						The sad thing about this whole saga is that you're right Russell, the development fund clearly isn't for this sort of project. But, Maori TV is the only channel that looks like it belongs to us, it is passionate, quirky, homegrown etc. Whereas TVNZ treat us all like fools night…
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						Did he do something?
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						nuts, where's the Obama thread?
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						<p>Oh, and this from Audrey's blog:</p><blockquote><p>But the suggestion [is] that the Government sought confidential information on the MTS bid and then provided it to TVNZ and TV3 &ndash; insider trading is the word being used.</p></blockquote>
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						But my goodness, David Farrar is finding <em>lots</em> of other things to blog about today ...
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						<p>The TPK prop is really odd.</p><p>A good deal of it seems irrelevant to MTS winning the rights or not. And TPK isn't saying it's funding the bid, but rather the production of programmes (at $1m pa for three years) that meet its requirements. Meaning, I guess, that MTS would…</p>
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						And where was the fat in MTS' base funding that allowed them to find some or all of the 2 million that has been suggested?  Would this have meant job losses, or programme cuts?
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						<blockquote><p>the more intelligent can watch TV3 for higher quality commentary,</p></blockquote><p>...Hamish Mackay?  Sheesh.  I'd rather join the morons watching on TVNZ, especially if Keith Quinn and John Macbeth get to do it.  Old school!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Sport at this level is entertainment and entertainment is big business &ndash; what is the problem with government seeding money into NZ business especially a fledgling business like Maori Television?</p></blockquote><p>Well, the government has kicked in about $300 million so far for MTS, and I'm okay with that.</p><p>What I'm…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Russell, I was hoping for some views</p></blockquote><p>I would hope Russell has something better to do than treat the corpse of a two year old as a hobby horse on the day the poor kid was found, unlike some of the PA commenters.</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Sport at this level is entertainment and entertainment is big business &ndash; what is the problem with government seeding money into NZ business especially a fledgling business like Maori Television? <br />To put it in context the Rugby Union’s <a href="http://www.nzru.co.nz/Publications/AnnualReports/tabid/1302/Default.aspx " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> 2008 annual report</a> shows they have assets totaling 73 million…</p>
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				<title>Karen White</title>
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						What Paul C said.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:42:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						I guess C4 will be doing top 100 rugby anthems, Prime will be sulking and refusing to air anything at all, which leaves the horse racing channel. Guess that channel will still be going &ndash; although watch for the race featuring horses with All Black names.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						And for those of us who couldn't care a rat's arse &ndash; can we have something else on a channel somewhere?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:36:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Everyone will have the final that's the idea; the final, the semis and the third and fourth play-off would be on all three networks."</p><p>Is it just me, or is that completely moronic?</p></blockquote><p>In that scenario the completely moronic ones would be those who watch the TV1 coverage...</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>A repeat of the Simpsons is likely to do well on TV2, following the All Blacks' inevitable QF exit? (Something which, itself, only attracted 1 million viewers last time around).</p><p>Following on from the latest Audrey Young story, it's doubtful that maraes would make ideal sites for backpacker accommodation, given…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:33:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is it just me, or is that completely moronic?</p></blockquote><p>I guess it makes things easier for compulsive channel surfers.</p><p>What it does show is that no-one's thinking about the viewership at all. All they're thinking about is massaging the egos of the respective broadcasters.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:30:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p>or completely democratic.</p><p>The moronic can watch TVNZ with its inane commentary that borders on re-runs of recordings from an insane asylum, the more intelligent can watch TV3 for higher quality commentary, and da Maaaaooooori can watch rugby with Te Reo commentary.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:24:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>The whole thing's a fiasco.</p><p>Firstly, you can win the rights to host the event (not TV) without proving that you've got an adequate stadium or the main social gathering point figured out.</p><p>Now, according to one of those Herald articles you posted, we're asked to contend with the fact…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It wasn't good enough in the Shipley years when Murray McCully spent taxpayers' money without telling Cabinet and it's not good enough now.</p></blockquote><p>The whole saga does have a wonderfully Shipleyesque quality to it. Perhaps Pita and Muzza had dinner, but didn't talk politics? If only we could find the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:20:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>INCOMING!</p><p>Audrey Young has <a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/10/13/maori-parties-gutted-govt-counter-bid/?c_id=1501219" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the prop that TPK belatedly gave to John Key</a>.</p><p>She also quotes a clearly angry Sharples.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gary  Hutchings</title>
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						<p>I think that this perfectly exemplifies the elephant in the room which is "What overall governance is there across all of the governments broadcasting/TV spending".</p><p>I mean, TVNZ had their charter funding taken away and transmogrified into the platinum fund which was made contestable,   and I am fairly sure that…</p>
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				<title>Chopper</title>
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						Just the thought that TVNZ could win the bid is depressing. Whenever TVNZ shows sports coverage, I have to watch with the volume off. The commentary is appalling, especially coverage of netball and the Beijing Olympics. The only commentator I enjoy listening to at TVNZ is Geoff Bryan, and he…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's an Asian woman! It's a pedophile! It's a person of interest! We have no leads! She's in the drain!</p><p>Phew.</p><p>Gary was out there saying something like "I wouldn't be surprised if she had been stolen to order".</p></blockquote><p>And is TVNZ7 still running that ad for [[http://www.ifc.com/mediaproject/|The IFC Media…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:48:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brickley Paiste</title>
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						<p>Russell, I was hoping for some views on the amazing job the police did at surviving each news cycle while this toddler was missing.</p><p>It's an Asian woman!  It's a pedophile!  It's a person of interest!  We have no leads!  She's in the drain!</p><p>Phew.</p><p>Gary was out there saying…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>our government bidding against itself in a rights auction</p></blockquote><p>And the IRB is laughing all the way to the bank. </p><p>Amid all the bullcrap being spouted about controlling government waste this happens and no heads roll?</p><p>Nice piece Russell and nice work by the journos who figured out what was…</p>
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				<title>dave crampton</title>
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						Good piece Russell -TPK does really need to get its act together....and in terms of the TV3/TVNZ stoush &ndash; does anyone know what role the charter has in this?
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				<title>Clarke</title>
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						That's a pretty impressive piece of mana enhancement on Pita Sharples part. I mean, was it ever remotely possible that he would come out of this smelling of roses? What was he thinking?
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						It is a wonder to behold how much public money can be thrown around for the RWC when so little is available for public services.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:51:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jim Cathcart</title>
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						Unfortunately, I'm finding it very hard to understand how Maori stakeholders (except the ones' with the trendy media jobs; executive power; and access to the piggy bank) are actually going to benefit. Like most government-funded business in NZ, I guess this is actually a secondary consideration.
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						Definitely interesting. Be interesting to see the next stage in this saga.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Let the in-fighting, back-stabbing and general political fuckery begin. This shambles could turn out to be more interesting than the discussions about the All Blacks' chances of progressing beyond the quarter-finals.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>From Adam Gifford's <a href="http://waatea.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Waatea News blog</a>:</p><blockquote><p><strong>Heuheu says colleagues informed of TV bid</strong></p><p>Associate Maori Affairs Minister Georgina te Heuheu is denying she failed to inform senior colleagues of Maori Television's 2011 Rugby world cup bid.</p><p>Labour MP Shane Jones says Mrs te Heuheu needs to explain her role in…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Tight Five Part II, anybody?
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						I think listening is also a problem.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Just kicking off ...
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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