Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: DNC 2016: Beyond weird, most of the way to scary

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:21:15 +1200

I heir it’s all about the heir there than here where it’s more about haveing a sociable beer.
...
Dalziel’s throne is being challenged!
Throne?
Chairs, I'll grin and beer it...
:- )

Don Key to the Max Trump...
Hear! Hear!
Here the heir is a DJ,
there he's [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Jr.|a…

nzlemming

Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:21:08 +1200

Oooh, Dalziel's throne is being challenged! :-D

FletcherB

Fri, 29 Jul 2016 23:30:23 +1200

Wonderful speech by Michelle Obama. I wish she was standing.

Me too! But hey, if it works for "ex First Lady" Hillary, maybe Michelle will follow at a later date??

I'm not exactly down with political nepotism, or pseudo monarchy, (Bush, Kennedy, etc.) but if the person has talent... I…

nzlemming

Fri, 29 Jul 2016 19:24:48 +1200

Obama's speech was also very good.

Hilary Stace

Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:58:49 +1200

Lots of disability rights talk in Hillary's speech. It's not patronising either. Caring is not enough, you need activism as well, seems to be her message. OK with me. And I never though I would will ever hear a chant of HI LA RIE

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:21:35 +1200

Mark Knight
http://www.doverpublications.com/zb/samples/811476/sample8c.html
and
http://www.newnownext.com/finally-a-donald-trump-paper-doll-with-lady-gagas-telephone-look/01/2016/
or the inverse
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/80706245/This-pair-of-Donald-Trump-swim-trunks-is-the-worst-thing-we-ve-ever-seen
plus a go to whoa of tonsorial styles featuring Donald Trump and Rachel Hunter!
http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55ddc2df8ebe221439ce5c09/master/h_590,c_limit/donald-trump-history-hair-ss02.jpg

Joe Wylie

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:02:38 +1200

Riding shirtless on a horse with his buddy Vlad, perhaps.

The Australian Financial Review's David Rowe has done a nice take on that.

BenWilson

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:16:11 +1200

Riding shirtless on a horse with his buddy Vlad, perhaps.

nzlemming

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:14:37 +1200

Bwahaha! Actual LOL

Joe Wylie

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:07:05 +1200

Mark Knight

nzlemming

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:59:43 +1200

Yup. Never liked him much but I give him props for that one. Still, I'd have thought, after 12 years running New York, he'd be a little more comfortable with the teleprompter. But maybe that's what gave it authenticity.

BenWilson

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:48:37 +1200

Solid speech.

nzlemming

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:42:39 +1200

We're going to need a bigger bucket of popcorn...

nzlemming

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:28:08 +1200

Woh.
https://youtu.be/wvay32I6mbc

Somebody's going to need a new arsehole...

Alfie

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:07:27 +1200

But can you imagine the GOP’s response if a Clinton did it?

A presidential candidate encouraging a foreign power to conduct and act of espionage against his political opponent? They’d be shouting "treason" from the rooftops and bringing out their assault rifles.

The Independent reckons [[http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-is-flirting-with-electoral-disaster-and-treason-inviting-russia-to-dig-up-clinton-a7158986.html|Trump is flirting with electoral…

Deborah

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:26:40 +1200

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had such orators among our political leaders.

You tend to get tall-poppied to death anytime you demonstrate extraordinary speaking skills in NZ.

Hilary Stace

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:07:03 +1200

Pretty amazing speech by Obama. His words and delivery are so good. Such good theatre too. At the end Hillary came on the stage for an endorsing hug.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had such orators among our political leaders.

nzlemming

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:05:23 +1200

In the meantime, Trump has pissed off the GOP again by going off message, encouraging Russia to hack Clinton’s personal server and release whatever they find there. The man's seriously unhinged.

But can you imagine the GOP's response if a Clinton did it?

Alfie

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:48:43 +1200

Bring those jobs back to America by electing Donald president.

In the meantime, Trump has pissed off the GOP again by going off message, encouraging Russia to hack Clinton’s personal server and release whatever they find there. The man's seriously unhinged.

David Hood

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:05:53 +1200

Donald Trump has to outsource hacking his political enemies to Russia because he is not yet in charge of the country. Bring those jobs back to America by electing Donald president.

Russell Brown

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:09:17 +1200

Very interesting assessment on the role of disability activism and changes over time at DNC. Lots more focus this time, including disabled speakers. Hillary Clinton apparently started her career by fighting to get disabled kids into school.

I was wondering last night whether there has ever been this kind of…

Hilary Stace

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 08:58:40 +1200

Tom Johnson

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:13:02 +1200

Congress always helps. You are trying to pass legislation in a gridlocked system at the moment. Without congress its crawl politics again, stagnation.

Tom Johnson

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:47:18 +1200

She tried to put a health plan in place, she failed. But to do that was massive. She has massive potential.

AndrewH

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:45:48 +1200

Kunstler is on form: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/odious-versus-tedious/

AndrewH

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:42:13 +1200

probably just an accident.. I bet she doesn;t even want their support.. as if.

AndrewH

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:41:07 +1200

Yep, Trumps beyond the pale, Putin's evil, Hillary's the best we've got.. FFS, pathetic.:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/25/robert-kagan-and-other-neocons-back-hillary-clinton/

Tom Johnson

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:10:39 +1200

The word “feel” is a word that has no worth in true modern political discussion. But it’s a feel versus fact election and a young generation of voters who see through a southparkian blur of politics that said subject is so soiled, they see no reason to participate, backed up…

Rob Stowell

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:58:10 +1200

I think I saw a poll where he was running at 10% vs Stein’s 5%,
He’s starting to poll above 10%. 538 puts Johnson at 10% currently. But I’ve seen 12 somewhere. No money, but a small chance he’ll get on the ballot.
He also says he’ll give up the…

Rob Stowell

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:52:19 +1200

Leaving aside how one defines ‘peacetime’ (the US has been engaged in near-perpetual war since at least 2001

The US has been engaged in perpetual war since 1942.

I wrote 'pretty much forever'. Then thought: NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO SPEND HOURS DEFENDING WITH RESEARCH,…

Rob Stowell

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:40:08 +1200

What’s not disingenuous is thinking about how big tax increases play out in an election campaign.
Sure. But there's got to be a way – because MOST VOTERS would be BETTER OFF in terms of money in their pockets. Call the 'tax increase' better and cheaper health insurance ... ?

Joe Boden

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:17:18 +1200

I think the wording of the Wikipedia article is slightly misleading. What they meant was, he served 14 months of Kennedy’s term, plus a full four-year term of his own (1964-68), making him still eligible to run again in 68. Had he served two years of Kennedy’s term instead of…

Joe Boden

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:13:06 +1200

I think I saw a poll where he was running at 10% vs Stein’s 5%, so he may have a better chance of reaching the 15% benchmark for admission to the debates than her.

Stein doesn't have a hope in hell. The Green Party isn't even on the ballot in…

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:08:38 +1200

Yes, I’ve been watching him. Not a snowball’s chance in hell (probably less than Stein)

I think I saw a poll where he was running at 10% vs Stein's 5%, so he may have a better chance of reaching the 15% benchmark for admission to the debates than her.

Biobbs

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:03:25 +1200

Oh really? I thought he was there longer. Huh. Retract. Thanks, Joe.

I think the wording of the Wikipedia article is slightly misleading. What they meant was, he served 14 months of Kennedy's term, plus a full four-year term of his own (1964-68), making him still eligible to run again…

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:45:43 +1200

Actually he could have stood for election again, because he served only the final 14 months of Kennedy's term. Here is the language of the relevant amendment:

Oh really? I thought he was there longer. Huh. Retract. Thanks, Joe.

Joe Boden

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:33:13 +1200

It’s easier for an incumbent to be re-elected than a challenger to break in. Johnson would probably have been re-elected (despite the war) in 1968 over Nixon, but he could not stand again under the 22nd Amendment.

Actually he could have stood for election again, because he served only the…

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:29:10 +1200

This New Yorker piece on Gary Johnson is fascinating

Yes, I've been watching him. Not a snowball's chance in hell (probably less than Stein) but he may prove a safety valve for Republicans who can't stand voting for Trump and can't bear to vote for Clinton.

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:26:46 +1200

Presidential terms becoming entrenched at 8 years is making campaigns more fraught, I feel. When each administration is going to be there for half a generation, the stakes are high. The last single term president was Bush (Senior).

Meh.

Since the amendment's adoption, four presidents have served two full terms:…

Mark Cubey

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:21:05 +1200

This New Yorker piece on Gary Johnson is fascinating.

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:20:46 +1200

Just now, from Bernie Sanders at the convention:

"I move that Hillary Clinton be selected as the Democratic nominee for president of the United States."

That's the man I salute, as much for this as for anything else. Love to have him in the White House, but glad he's having…

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:17:38 +1200

Leaving aside how one defines 'peacetime' (the US has been engaged in near-perpetual war since at least 2001

The US has been engaged in perpetual war since 1942. The military-industrial complex didn't happen overnight in 1958 when Eisenhower warned about its growing power.

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:14:36 +1200

Autism isn’t an “epidemic” and it’s not caused by bad food.

Vaccines, innit. (I'll go get my hat...)

Zach Bagnall

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:59:02 +1200

Yep, that was smooth.

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:56:40 +1200

Just now, from Bernie Sanders at the convention:

"I move that Hillary Clinton be selected as the Democratic nominee for president of the United States."

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:33:07 +1200

But campaigning on a platform that promises big tax increases is a sure way to provide extraordinary ammunition to your opponents. The problem is not necessarily the tax increases per se, it is the politics of campaigning on big tax increases.

I think a particular problem is that the benefits…

Zach Bagnall

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:31:41 +1200

Someone's got to figure out a way to sell Medicare For All to a population with Stockholm syndrome for health insurance and an allergy to federal tax. Higher tax – health insurance premium – deductible – outrageous overcharging throughout the system = more health and more money in yer pocket.…

Moz

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:27:41 +1200

I want both: the ideals, and the on-going pragmatism to work with people to get elected and actually get the opportunity to do things.

And the Democrats appear to be getting both, with Sanders there explicitly to push the envelope and get ideas on the table, and Clinton to run…

Deborah

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:14:29 +1200

And talking about Sanders’ single payer health-care as a massive tax increase when most economists agree it would decrease the overall cost of healthcare in the US is beyond disingenuous.

What’s not disingenuous is thinking about how big tax increases play out in an election campaign. Yes, overall healthcare costs…

Zach Bagnall

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:56:39 +1200

Presidential terms becoming entrenched at 8 years is making campaigns more fraught, I feel. When each administration is going to be there for half a generation, the stakes are high. The last single term president was Bush (Senior).

Rob Stowell

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:56:19 +1200

The implications of his tax proposals have never really had a major public airing, because he wasn’t the frontrunner, Clinton didn’t want to go hard and it suited Trump to pretend to sympathise with him. The Atlantic looked at it in February. It would have been a bloodbath.
That Atlantic…

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:39:53 +1200

Wowzers. Respected liberal journal the American prospect is getting pretty terse with the Bernie-or-Bust contingent:

When it was Sanders's turn to speak at the convention, his message was clear: “I am proud to stand with her.”

Nevertheless, several Sanders delegates told MSNBC at the end of the day that they…

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:40:13 +1200

Stein’s also not very popular with autism groups. This is from a recent profile in Elle, but she’s been saying versions of these words for a few years:

I got involved as a mother and a medical doctor. I had been, for a while, very alarmed about the public health…

Dennis Frank

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:21:53 +1200

In terms of group psychodynamics, the campaign is driven by the interplay between perception & reality. I take Simon's point (re politics 1.01) that perception normally prevails. However perception that Hillary Clinton is merely the latest in a long line of Bilderberger glove puppets is sufficiently widespread now to motivate voters…

Hilary Stace

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:03:23 +1200

For some forgotten reason I got on the Democrats mailing list. I get several emails a day telling me about the importance of voting, how to encourage everyone else to vote, how to buddy up with others to vote, surveys of latest voting intention, including personal messages from a range…

Russell Brown

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:56:55 +1200

I think Jill Stein is a far more impressive figure than any of them, but the faulty machinery of the US electoral process will ensure her voice is barely heard …

I'd be more impressed by Stein if she didn't spend so much time (check her Twitter) drawing false equivalences…

Zach Bagnall

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:35:23 +1200

I just encountered someone outside the local thrift store with a clipboard asking people entering or leaving "Want to help stop Trump?". Every interaction I saw ended with the subject walking away calling "I don't want either of them!" over their shoulder. #anecdata

Shaun Lott

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:13:52 +1200

Nate Silver is still calling it for Clinton 60:40, but it's really hard to tell this far out, especially in this election. Will Trump attract more previous non-voters than the moderate Republicans and independents he scares off? That seems to me like an unknown unknown that is very hard to…

nzlemming

Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:04:09 +1200

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/25/pro-sanders_protester_i_prefer_donald_trump_to_hillary_clinton_trump_is_less_dangerous.html

Faarrrk!

nzlemming

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:15:06 +1200

You know who did say that? Matthew Hooton.

Stopped clock...

SteveH

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:38:09 +1200

Its hard to gauge discontent on booing, that’s why we have to wait for polls more closer to the election.

FiveThirtyEight said it was mostly the California delegation and that you couldn't really hear it from other parts of the arena. On the other hand, there were a LOT of…

Tamara

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:55:25 +1200

Absolutely!!

Mick Rose

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:40:11 +1200

Let the screaming and tub-thumping commence: Trump!!! Cruz!!! Clinton!!! Sanders!!!

I think Jill Stein is a far more impressive figure than any of them, but the faulty machinery of the US electoral process will ensure her voice is barely heard ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:58:29 +1200

Whereas Bernie seems to have a clean past after 30 plus years experience. Bernie would have reduced Trump to tantrums but now we’ll never see it.

Oh, I think his involvement with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party would have been an issue. It might not matter to you and me,…

Nigel

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:35:33 +1200

I agree, but Trump will likely attack Clinton personally. I'm not sure his followers are looking for debate, just fight.
Whereas Bernie seems to have a clean past after 30 plus years experience. Bernie would have reduced Trump to tantrums but now we'll never see it.

Nigel

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:29:12 +1200

It's college.
I think you're suggesting that only votes cast in hope of personal gain have real validity.

Thankfully some people are in a position to exercise their judgement in favour of higher ideals than whether or not they will personally get a tax break.

Or maybe you just don't…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:11:53 +1200

Why not acknowledge from the start that the TPP was going to live or die in Washington, and nothing we did would change that.

You know who did say that? Matthew Hooton.

Tom Johnson

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:47:05 +1200

Its hard to gauge discontent on booing, that's why we have to wait for polls more closer to the election.

The election hasn't started yet. The polls now are very rough, historically they have been rough this far out. Also need to start breaking down the states, where the electoral…

simon g

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:32:24 +1200

But the President played golf with our John! We have influence, we matter! We can get the deal done, can't we?

Well, nobody seriously believes that New Zealand is even 1% as important as Congress in election year, so why do we pretend that we are? Why not acknowledge from…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +1200

Clinton is also opposed to the TPP.

If Obama can’t get it ratified before he leaves office it might not get ratified by the US (unless the new Pres flip-flop, of course).

Sanders said the party had agreed to block attempts to get it through the lame-duck Congress. TPP is…

SteveH

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:01:02 +1200

Well, he opposes the TPP, for one. I know, I know. Neither of them are really believable on this point. Not even to get started on TTIP or TISA.

Clinton is also opposed to the TPP.

If Obama can't get it ratified before he leaves office it might not get…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:56:56 +1200

She resigned because she did Politics 101: the best way to end calls for you to go, is to go.

Yes, and I gather her term would have effectively ended with the convention anyway. It does seem clear she managed the conflicts badly though. A streetfighter wasn't what they needed.

simon g

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:41:11 +1200

She resigned because she did Politics 101: the best way to end calls for you to go, is to go. Anything else would have damaged the convention and the campaign (more than already). The job that really matters is not hers.

Anyway, Michelle Obama, best first lady Ever.

(OK, since…

Dennis Frank

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:20:07 +1200

So how many ways can we split this particular hair? You think the DNC chairwoman resigned because didn't try to subvert their internal democratic process? Or she resigned because her suggestions could be interpreted as attempted subversion by the Sanders supporters? Or do you think she resigned because the emails…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:14:41 +1200

Didn’t the emails show DNC staffers pushing negative stories to the press about Sanders’ religious views (in states sensitive to that topic)

No, they showed one guy musing about it, no one taking it up and no evidence that anything of the kind ever happened. It's crap that anyone even…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:54:15 +1200

They can afford a protest vote and don’t much care about those that can’t

The key therefore is to make sure those that can't afford it actually do vote – that will take a committed focused democrat machine.

Disrupting that machine is the key to Trump winning.

James Littlewood*

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:35:06 +1200

man up and declare for Trump!

Well, he opposes the TPP, for one. I know, I know. Neither of them are really believable on this point. Not even to get started on TTIP or TISA.

I look at the lunacy in the UK and I think, whew, at least our…

Zach Bagnall

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:31:26 +1200

Didn't the emails show DNC staffers pushing negative stories to the press about Sanders' religious views (in states sensitive to that topic) and suggesting a media-friend narrative for his failure? That seems on the nose for an organisation that is supposed to be – and claimed to be – neutral.…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:12:26 +1200

So the hierarchy of the Democrat Party has been proven to have been actively subverting their pseudo-democratic electoral process. I suppose the left feels obliged to prove that they can do moral corruption as well as the right, because that’s the new normal and they feel they must compete accordingly?…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:10:40 +1200

The never-Clinton spite-voter seems completely overblown to me. I’m sure there are a few idiots but they’re not representative.

And the Pew polling says you're right. It's just unfortunate that those people are getting a lot of airtime.

Zach Bagnall

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:06:51 +1200

There will be some – and US TV seemed to be lining up to interview them afterwards

The never-Clinton spite-voter seems completely overblown to me. I'm sure there are a few idiots but they're not representative. I went to a Bernie rally earlier this year – in Portland even -…

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:00:31 +1200

Because nothing I think or say affects the outcome in any way whatsoever, I’ve decided to back the Bernie supporters. Fight the power dudes!

Dude, if you’re going to go down the "nothing I say will make any difference anyway" road, man up and declare for Trump!

Zach Bagnall

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:00:16 +1200

Maybe, but probably offset by the same number of conservatives who can't bring themselves to vote for Trump either. And a number of people who wouldn't normally vote may vote this time just to oppose one of the candidates.

This election is completely bizarre.

Russell Brown

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:58:27 +1200

The worry is that Bernie’s supporters will storm off in a huff and not bother to vote, handing the Prez to Trump by default.

There will be some – and US TV seemed to be lining up to interview them afterwards – but any Sanders supporter who wasn't convinced by…

Kiwiiano

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:54:32 +1200

The worry is that Bernie's supporters will storm off in a huff and not bother to vote, handing the Prez to Trump by default.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:45:52 +1200

They don't see a difference between Trump and Clinton because for them nothing personally changes for them if either of them get elected. They can afford a protest vote and don't much care about those that can't

Bazinga! And dare I say it, the same people who were most vociferously…

Zach Bagnall

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:32:33 +1200

The unwillingness of the richest country in the world to provide healthcare for it's citizens is just incomprehensible. It is beyond tragic that the issue has been kicked down the road by 8 more years.

Zach Bagnall

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:30:05 +1200

The chanters in the audience are getting on my wick – Bernie, BLM, etc – for some reason the mic picks it all up and the speakers are having to shout over them to be heard, even with the PA. Sort it out ffs.

Most of the angry Bernie supporters…

Hilary Stace

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:48:56 +1200

Michelle followed by Elizabeth Warren. Enough to cheer many an old lefty feminist.

Danyl Mclauchlan

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:39:58 +1200

Because nothing I think or say affects the outcome in any way whatsoever, I've decided to back the Bernie supporters. Fight the power dudes!

Hilary Stace

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:18:11 +1200

Wonderful speech by Michelle Obama. I wish she was standing.

Joe Boden

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:32:00 +1200

"Trump Credits One Of 'Our Friends' In Russia, China With DNC Hack"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-dnc-hack-friends-in-russia

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:24:39 +1200

opinion/donald-trump-the-siberian-candidate.html
Contained this observation:
For one thing, Mr. Putin is someone who doesn’t worry about little things like international law when he decides to invade a country. He’s “what you call a leader,” declared Rudy Giuliani after Russia invaded Ukraine.
The US has such a short memory – Iraq anyone?…

Dennis Frank

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:51:00 +1200

So the hierarchy of the Democrat Party has been proven to have been actively subverting their pseudo-democratic electoral process. I suppose the left feels obliged to prove that they can do moral corruption as well as the right, because that's the new normal and they feel they must compete accordingly?…

linger

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:42:57 +1200

where collage educated = having a patchwork of simple beliefs that don’t quite accurately correspond to reality, and are glued together only by unshakeable faith in one’s own importance (cf. also Trump University educated )

Tristan

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:30:46 +1200

Most of the angry Bernie supporters I see are either white, male, collage educated or a combination of all three. i.e incredibly privileged

They don't see a difference between Trump and Clinton because for them nothing personally changes for them if either of them get elected. They can afford a…

Moz

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:26:18 +1200

And the media narrative will focus on finding and amplifying the "Trump over Hillary" BernieBros, because anything that can help tilt the field towards Trump is good. Sorry, I mean "conflict and excitement means clicks".

On the other side, I don't think this will actually be the incident that makes…

Joe Boden

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:25:33 +1200

Forgot to add a link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opinion/donald-trump-the-siberian-candidate.html

Joe Boden

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:00:27 +1200

It looks more and more like Trump and Putin are going to agree to divide up the "spoils" in Europe. Those "unswayable" Sanders supporters should perhaps re-assess their priorities.

Angela Hart

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:50:17 +1200

What, “President Putin, I say to you, build a wall”?

and make them pay for it!

linger

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:05:56 +1200

What, "President Putin, I say to you, build a wall"?

Tom Semmens

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:39:36 +1200

Probably by the Russians? I would say certainly. Trump's foreign policy in relation to Eastern Europe is popular in Moscow, and incidentially might just save us all from nuclear war.

Public Address

Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:39:36 +1200

Discussion from blog post.