Hard News: Dirty Politics
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Sacha, in reply to
Stuff reports that young Nats in Waikato are burning 220 copies of the Hager book.
doesn't seem like a credible claim.
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Alfie, in reply to
doesn't seem like a credible claim.
But it's being reported by the MSM so it must be true. ;-)
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The usually conservative ODT published a strongly worded editorial this morning calling for Judith Collins to be sacked.
Right-wing blogger Cameron Slater, someone Ms Collins regards as a friend, claims to be a political player. He is not. He is a blogger.
Is this what the country's democracy has become? Personal attacks, led by a minister and fed through blogger conduits (which operate without the standards applied to traditional journalism)?
Mr Key is undoubtedly under pressure. His campaign is being derailed, and he - at least to date - has not handled it well.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Which doesn't cover YouTube and iTunes, so why has Darren Watson been told to remove it from there?
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linger, in reply to
Some obvious alternative captions for the National imagery:
“Paddling up bullshit creek”
“Ready for the next America’s Cup challenge”
“Heading for John’s pleasure yacht” -
In the first post-Hager poll, John Key's popularity has noticeably dropped.
John Key's popularity has dived by 8.5 points in the first political poll since Nicky Hager's book Dirty Politics was released, according to a Herald DigiPoll survey.
Mr Key is still well ahead of Labour Leader David Cunliffe but Mr Cunliffe has jumped by 4.1 points.
Mr Key is preferred Prime Minister by 64.8 per cent, compared with Mr Cunliffe on 14.6 per cent.
The figures do not necessarily reflect the party vote standings which will be released in tomorrow's Herald.
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It would be a thing if Key, in abscence of an effective opposition, defeated himself.
Considering rowing - he has caught a crab - the "revelations" would make him King Crab.
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That's better:
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
In the first post-Hager poll, John Key’s popularity has noticeably dropped.
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Nicky Hager has officially made it to TV Tropes. (see Real Life section)
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
In the first post-Hager poll, John Key’s popularity has noticeably dropped.
National itself, not so much -- and it looks like the Greens should be a feeling a lot happier than Labour at the moment. Still, on the whole, a poll everyone should be able to furiously spin to their satisfaction.
Party vote
National 50 (down 4.9)
Labour 25.2 (down 1.3)
Greens 13.7 (up 3.8)
NZ First 4.3 (down 0.3)
Maori Party 0.7 (up 0.2)
Mana-Internet 2.1 (down 0.1)
Act 0.6 (up 0.6)
United Future 0.4 (up 0.4)
Conservatives 2.6 (up 1.4)
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis (down 0.1)Preferred Prime Minister
John Key Nation 64.8 (down 8.5)
David Cunliffe Labour 14.6 (up 4.1)
Winston Peters NZ First 5.1 (down 0.4)
Russel Norman 3.5 Greens (up 1.5)
David Shearer 1.5 Labour (down 0.7)
Helen Clark 1.4 former PM (up 0.9)Seats in the house
National 64
Labour 32
Greens 18
NZ First 0
Internet Mana 3
Maori Party 1
Act 1
United Future 1Based on the assumption that the Maori, Mana, United Future and Act parties keep one seat.
The poll of 750 respondents was conducted between August 14 and 20 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 per cent. On the party vote questions 12.5 per cent were undecided.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
It would be a thing if Key, in abscence of an effective opposition, defeated himself.
Spotted by a reader of Harold yesterday he did exactly that. Your wish may be coming true. Was he told or not?
“What happened is Warren Tucker didn’t come to me, he went to his legal adviser and his legal advisers told him this is the process they have to follow and when he was going through that process it was at that point he told me he’d release it because he has to tell me that under the no-surprises doctrine.”
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Spotted by a reader of Harold yesterday he did exactly that. Your wish may be coming true.
Just correcting ,it was not yesterday, it was 2011 he contradicted all his claims yesterday.
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nzlemming, in reply to
Just correcting ,it was not yesterday, it was 2011 he contradicted all his claims yesterday.
Presumably, his memory was better then, as it had only just happened.
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Now this kind of talk has me really worried:
Prime Minister John Key yesterday hit back hard over the Dirty Politics allegations against him and his Government, warning that a hacker and the political left were "trying to take an election off New Zealanders".
Did he just really spectacularly not fully think that through before he blurted it out, or.....? Trying not to read too much into it, but given the tendencies this government has shown, it's hard to shake visions of.... nah, let's not go there yet. Or perhaps Key has been the recipient of some shockingly bad advice. Or, I dunno.
And:
He also hit out at the media, saying that by reporting on Hager's book and the release of source material hacked from Slater's computer "you're effectively supporting illegal activity".
Oh? And what has John Key been doing with his consistent refusal to take responsibility for anything or demand Judith Collins, among others, account for her actions?
Or is this all simply the ravings of a seriously desperate man?
I don't know, but I do know his comments as reported in that article scare me.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
I don’t know, but I do know his comments as reported in that article scare me.
I've said it before, but sunlight is the best disinfectant. And vampires behave strangely when exposed to sunlight.
My biggest reservation is that if hacktivists effectively change the course of the 2014 election, it could lead to calls for the sort of things that would get Edward Snowden worked up.
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Here's something to make you throw up over your cornflakes. In a John Drinnan story about paid placements masquerading as journalism, the Israeli Embassy in Wellington is quoted as saying that Slater is "fair-minded" and "spiritual".
Spiritual? Compared to what?
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nzlemming, in reply to
The Isrealis need all the friends they can buy.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
fair minded if the fair is Vanity Fair, and spiritual if the spirit is vodka.
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Judith Collins refuses to acknowledge what she has done, in any way.
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Sacha, in reply to
spiritual if the spirit is vodka
more like dirty backstreet hooch
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
more like dirty backstreet hooch
Supped from a pale stein and drunk with carelessness.
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It occurred to me last night that the right wing is like the Old testament as the Left is to the New, an eye for an eye as opposed to turning the other cheek and caring for those that suffer the indignities of life…
The Blue of the right is representative of the blue blood of the Royals and those that believe that they deserve the right to rule, the Red of the Left as in the Tooth and Claw of nature where the fight is to survive rather than to acquire, the fight to live rather than rule.
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nzlemming, in reply to
The Blue of the right is representative of the blue blood of the Royals and those that believe that they deserve the right to rule, the Red of the Left as in the Tooth and Claw of nature where the fight is to survive rather than to acquire, the fight to live rather than rule.
That's some freaky mixed messaging, Steve. And what about the US, where the Republicans are red and the Democrats are blue?
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
And what about the US,
Didn't your English teacher tell you not to start a sentence with "And"?
;-)
Anyhoo, I was referring to our Westminster traditions, where red is Left and Blue is right. As far as the US is concerned I don't think those colours are set in stone, at least, in the past they weren't.
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