Hard News: Dirty Politics
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Which is one of their avowed aims.
The actual aim is the overthrow of democracy, and it's replacement with a plutocracy with a charade of democracy.
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nzlemming, in reply to
David Farrar has now basically acknowledged to me that a call centre worker probably took home the two scripts and gave them to Hager.
However, he hasn't edited his blog post or commented to that effect on it, and I doubt that he will.
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Pete McDowell, in reply to
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This Stuff poll doesn't seem believable to me:
http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
It did at least acknowledge that the undecided vote was 15.4% – way at the bottom. -
Remember how Watergate went down, it wasn't the break in that brought Nixon down, it was the cover up ...... watch very carefully when Key's lips move, what comes out and who's pulling the strings, it's what he does over the next few weeks that will damn him or let him go free
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
It’s delusional, fantasyland stuff,
But it also speaks volumes about her suitability to be part of a professional society that purports to uphold the legal system and justice for all New Zealanders.
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Neil Drinkwater, in reply to
How do we work out how is pulling the strings Paul? Do we have to hack his email for the public good? Maybe we could tortue him- for the public good of course.
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william blake, in reply to
Key’s prejudging the book as conspiracy was disappointing enough and his position to continue to wilfully ignore its contents already damns him. He seems to be directly challenging the role of the fourth estate in a democracy, treating the journalist as an opponent.
Key should know the contents of Nicky’s critique and act or react accordingly, not ‘be in damage controll’. Manipulation of the media and playing fast and loose with the truth is antithetical to a healthy democracy, shows poor leadership and is an ugly and anachronistic part of right wing politics.
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I think the trick is to sit there watching him digging his hole and wait until it's deep enough .... in other words just keep the pressure on until he does something really illegal to try and make it go away
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Richard Aston, in reply to
Key should know the contents of Nicky’s critique and act or react accordingly, not ‘be in damage controll’. Manipulation and subsequent suppression of the media is antithetical to a healthy democracy, it is an ugly and anachronistic part of right wing politics.
But William you are projecting your own moral compass onto Key. If everything in Hager's book is true then why are we so troubled that Key is using damage control and spin techniques to defend him and his party.
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Richard Aston, in reply to
The actual aim is the overthrow of democracy, and it’s replacement with a plutocracy with a charade of democracy.
Are we there yet Tom?
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Richard Grevers, in reply to
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Chris Waugh, in reply to
Manipulation of the media [......] shows poor leadership
Seems to me there's also been a massive leadership fail in the media. I have not been surprised by any of these revelations, we've all been seeing the signs clearly for quite some time now, even discussing them hereabouts. With apologies to Nicky Hager*, it's actually a bit disappointing that this news has come out this late in this way.
*Because although I haven't read any of his books, I think he's a superb journalist and we need more like him and Jon Stephenson.
Oh, and as an aside: Are we seeing the NZ version of a "50 cent gang" popping up around these threads?
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Keir Leslie, in reply to
Yeah I think the Law Society needs to ask serious questions about her behaviour there.
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SHG, in reply to
Craig Ranapia: "Slater threatened to blackmail Rodney Hide over "dirty texts"
Sacha: "That's the claim yes - backed up I expect by evidence."
Seriously, do you realise how laughably bizarro-world implausible that is? It couldn't get any nuttier if you introduced the Illuminati or TEH MOLE MEN.
A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement? Slater and Lusk would have been arrested and sentenced to jail terms in the time it took Hide to stop laughing.
That Hide-blackmail story is the bit that stands out as revealing "OK, some of this stuff is just plain made-up".
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No Chris I don't see any 50 cent gang;) if someone seems to be asking stupid questions just set them right with direct facts.
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william blake, in reply to
Richard, yes my moral compass points to having a free and healthy fourth estate. if the PM is pre determining his response to a unknown written critique rather than a thoughtful and balanced response to the actual information, we do have a disconnect in this vital process.
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Richard Aston, in reply to
Oh shit now my paranoia is up
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Brian Murphy, in reply to
That Hide-blackmail story is the bit that stands out as revealing “OK, some of this stuff is just plain made-up”.
Or does it say something about the people discussing the idea, their world view, and morals.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
(which seems to be pretty dodgy – Lichtenstein address)
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
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A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement?
Isn't that what the Whips' Office does on a regular basis? Sure, it's generally not as rough as the alleged blackmail here, but "senior National Party figures use pressure to force politicians to do what they want" is pretty much a truism.
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Tom Barker, in reply to
What's also a little shocking here is Odgers' professional incompetence. As has been pointed out here already. N. Hager is listed in the Wgtn phone directory by name, address and phone number, and has been for quite a few years. Way to run up your billable hours, Cathy.
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A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement? Slater and Lusk would have been arrested and sentenced to jail terms in the time it took Hide to stop laughing.
Oh piss off, Hide admits he had to check up with Key first to figure out what he should do. He let Brash in with Banks, Nat men become Nact men. If you can't see that , take your blue tinited shades off.
Back in 2011 April...Hide had said only yesterday that he would not give up as leader. But today he said the reason for that, was he had to speak with the Prime Minister who was overseas.
Checking with Johnny? Much?
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Does anyone seriously think Cathy Odgers knows people in HK who’d actually seriously pose any threat to a New Zealander’s safety?
Isn't she known as Cactus Kate because she is surrounded by pricks?.
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