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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:34:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Oh bitch, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10589753" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">you didn't go there</a>...</p><blockquote><p>Labour MP Chris Carter believes he has received more attention over his travel costs and spousal travel because he is gay, implying the news media have a prurient interest in him.</p><p>"Why was there no interest in any other minister taking their partner with them,…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:51:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Oh bitch, [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10589753|you didn't go there]...</p><blockquote><p>Labour MP Chris Carter believes he has received more attention over his travel costs and spousal travel because he is gay, implying the news media have a prurient interest in him.</p><p>"Why was there no interest in any other minister taking their partner with them,…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:50:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Traditional Nact booster Fran O'Sullivan <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10589324" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is unimpressed</a> all-round with the behaviour of our MPs about their perks:</p><blockquote><p>Labour's chief whip Darren Hughes is prosecuting the issue on his party's behalf without any sense of shame that the previous leadership of his party protected Field up to the point where questions were…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:52:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Neither do I, but asking questions about ministerial travel isn't some media beat up either. It's also a little rich of Carter to bitch "Never let facts stand in the way of a good story, journalists!" on a party blog, when he won't front to make his case. Its certainly…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:27:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I was left with the uneasy feeling the whole rationale for the exercise was a sort of patronising "Oh... let's talk to a local hick and let the beltway snicker at his homely advice and Southland drawl".</p></blockquote><p>So now I'm left agreeing with both Tom and Craig. I feel…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:05:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Carter is clearly keen to speak up, but perhaps that's what they were afraid of</p></blockquote><p>Hum... perhaps you're right.  But, once more, I've got to wonder who the hell is running the media shop for Labour nowadays?  Whatever you think of Mike Munro, he was a consumate pro &mdash; he'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:43:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>when he won't front to make his case. Its certainly a rather novel definition of 'no comment'. :)</p></blockquote><p>Carter is clearly keen to speak up, but perhaps that's what they were afraid of ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:22:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>That guy from Dipton was a complete waste of time. They might as well have interviewed someone from Dipton, Newcastle, England for all the insight we got. </p><p>And I was left with the uneasy feeling the whole rationale for the exercise was a sort of patronising "Oh... let's talk to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:20:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Was anyone else hugely amused by the chap from Dipton they dredged up to interview on NatRad this morning? He was attempting to defend English but in the end came across as though he thought English, being a politician, was part of a sort of alien species who couldn't be…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:02:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I sincerely don't think Carter is in the same category.</p></blockquote><p>Neither do I, but asking questions about ministerial travel isn't some media beat up either.  It's also a little rich of Carter to bitch "Never let facts stand in the way of a good story, journalists!" on a party blog,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:00:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Anyone remember the Nat-Winston First Coalition, where quite a few eyebrows went up at Consumer Affairs Minister Robyn McDonald flying business class to Paris for a rather low-level (and highly technical) conference on e-commerce? She certainly didn't help herself by having nothing to say about the conference that couldn't have…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:50:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He kind of hasn't got much choice, due to his current position. His argument for needing to be housed along with his family, in Wellington is reasonable. It's the trying to screw every loop hole thats pissed me off. It's not good leadership.</p></blockquote><p>In a fit of whorish self-promotion, you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:37:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And rather annoying to see Chris Carter moaning that this is all a media beat up.  I think most people would accept that there are people who travel a lot &mdash; the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader, Ministers of Foreign Affairs and Trade etc. &mdash; but there's also more marginal…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:08:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not too poor,he's giving some  back.</p></blockquote><p>To his (small) credit, English will at least front up to the media.  Just heard, on Morning Report, the bizarre situation where Chris Carter declined an interview to discuss his ministerial travel &mdash; which he is perfectly entitled to do, BTW &mdash; citing a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:40:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have never had to pay someone personally to get my passport, drivers license etc under the counter</p></blockquote><p>What, you mean all those Auckland motorists have actually passed a driving test?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:13:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>That may be good. But we must be careful that we do not drive these carefully selected people to DO put their hands from under the table.</p><p>Rather: What I mean is we have make sure they keep their hands above the table!!!!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:08:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>A Late Post:</p><p>One thing that seems to be forgotten in NZ is that we are relatively &ndash; that means practically &ndash; graft and corruption free. I have never had to pay someone personally to get my passport, drivers license etc under the counter. That is the way it should…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:06:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Poor dear.</blockquote> Not too poor,he's giving <em>some</em> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588814" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> back.</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:26:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mr English showed signs of frustration yesterday.</p></blockquote><p>Poor dear.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:55:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mr English showed signs of frustration yesterday.</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps if you weren't quite so obviously rogering the taxpayer for every cent Bill, and then got called on it, we'd take a bit more interest in your calls for the country to tighten their belt.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Let's move on.</p></blockquote><p>Bill English agrees. From that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588724" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald story</a> Russell linked to:</p><blockquote><p>Mr English showed signs of frustration yesterday.</p><p>"After four days of discussing this issue there are bigger things going on in the country like a recession, like thousands of people joining the dole and I think it is…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What race card Rich?</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps an obscure way of putting it ...</p><p>But, Mark, Rick, I'm not sure this is in any way a productive argument. Let's move on.</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>109 words Rich, for what?</p><p>To tell you not to play the race card when someone disagrees with you. Which you have done repreatedly.</p><p>Did you not get that the first time round?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li3WZXMJaH0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li3WZXMJaH0</a></p><p>What race card Rich?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And when you pour on the charm, how could I resist?  That's right &mdash; easily.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And a certain adorable cluelessness about how papers actually work...</p></blockquote><p>Come on genius, share with the group.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tom: You think there might just have been a mega-dose of snark you missed?</p></blockquote><p>No.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote>Just by the by, isn't that second editorial in as many weeks to basically intervene to try and shut down an anti-National story, storming in as they did last week to fearlessly defend the right of Paula Bennett to use of the might of the state to crush dissenting solo…</blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No no no you lot! The Herald editorial &ndash;</p><p>"...<em>Or, more charitably, might we suppose that new ministers were simply too busy to notice they were not exactly practising the economies they preached?</em>..." -</p></blockquote><p>Tom: You think there might just have been a mega-dose of <em>snark</em> you missed?</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Just by the by, isn't that second editorial in as many weeks to basically intervene to try and shut down an anti-National story, storming in as they did last week to fearlessly defend the right of Paula Bennett to use of the might of the state to crush dissenting solo…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>No no no you lot! The Herald editorial &ndash; </p><p>"...<em>Or, more charitably, might we suppose that new ministers were simply too busy to notice they were not exactly practising the economies they preached?</em>..." &ndash;</p><p>today informs us that Bill &amp; co were just to busy setting the country to right to…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>It can't be that easy to find accomodation suitable for a cabinet minister/family of eight in Wallytown.</blockquote>Here's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10543277" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one.</a>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh wow... that's OK then. /sarcasm. Seriously, Labour might like to STFU with the 'everyone does it, but they're worse' line, front up with a list of their own double dipping landlords and make sure they're fully supportive of a meaningful and credible reform package.</p></blockquote><p>They've said they welcome a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The previous practice of Internal Affairs was to limit out-of-town ministers living in their own Wellington properties to the $24,000 maximum of an ordinary MP.</p></blockquote><p>Oh wow... <em>that's</em> OK then.  /sarcasm. Seriously, Labour might like to STFU with the 'everyone does it, but they're worse' line, front up with a…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>109 words Rich, for what?</p></blockquote><p>To tell you not to play the race card when someone disagrees with you. Which you have done repreatedly.</p><p>Did you not get that the first time round?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Whoops. After spending most of yesterday on the Herald home page with a blog post declaring it is "of course not true" that the rules have changed, Audrey Young has written a story that appears today under the headline <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588724" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rule change lets English claim more</a>:</p><blockquote><p>The Wellington family home of Finance…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Phil Goff has also declined to out his tacpayer-subsidised tenant.</p></blockquote><p>It'd be priceless if it was a Nat &ndash; or better still, an Actoid. Heatley &amp; Collins might be keeping schtum about their arrangements for fear of revealing similar cross-party rental arrangements.</p><p>Craig's right to staunchly push the goose sauce principle…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>No free passes here. Rorting is wrong, no matter who is doing it. Some senior Nats have <a href="http://joehendren.blogspot.com/2009/08/nationals-hypocritical-bunkle-over.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">short memories</a> on that score, but no doubt the behaviour has also applied in varying degrees to others when in power.</p><p>Perhaps it was even inspired by the creative way the Greens coordinated…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Judith Collins is another who we are paying to rent her Welli apartment to a fellow National MP &ndash; whose name she refuses to reveal. And why is that?</p><p>    "I'm not going to breach other people's privacy"</p><p>Seriously. Said with a straight face &ndash; see the accompanying clip.</p></blockquote><p>Well, Sacha,…</p>
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						So versatile.
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						The "it's ok we're doing bad stuff because they did it too" talking point is getting a right workout over the last few weeks, innit.
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Them family values fair overfloweth.</p></blockquote><p>Oh how I wish I had Craig's lyrical skills right now...</p><p>Heatley's practiced manner gave him away... But I'm a family man, <dogwhistle>not some barren-femo-nazi-lesbian</dogwhistle>, I need your money to keep my family together... never mind that I'll cut whatever subsidy keeps your's from sinking...…</p>
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						Can't imagine it on TV1's news, that's fer sure.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						And quite a brave choice in a 6 o'clock news show given our local lack of legal protection for those taking the piss. I guess they're pretty confident in their story.
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>English hoped he'd earn our sympathy as a caring father, that's transparently clear.</p></blockquote><p>Talking point? Housing Minister Phil Heatley has his own prairie moment <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Investigation-reveals-more-National-MPs-rorting-the-system/tabid/419/articleID/115208/cat/68/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on tv3 news</a>:</p><blockquote><p>"It's important for me to keep my little family together with me in Wellington"</p></blockquote><p>Them family values fair overfloweth. </p><p>Judith Collins is another…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mark &ndash; this is uncalled for and out of order.</p><p>As far as I am aware, this is the first time you've made any sort of mention of your ethnicity (as opposed to your current country of residence) on this forum.</p><p>I doubt TracyMac has (had) any idea what 'colour'…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>doh!  "bigger party for the 5 year old"</p><p>and I'll add at the end</p><p>"So I no longer need to feel any embarrassment for receiving the assistance".</p>
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						You know, a few years back, when we qualified for (and applied for and received) Working For Families....  We were grateful for the approx $150 a week it added to the family income....  we could have scraped by without it, but it certainly let us indulge in the odd bottle…
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>C'mon Craig, English hoped he'd earn our sympathy as a caring father, that's transparently clear. It's a distraction. </p><p>He changed the ownership arrangements for his home in order to increase his allowances; that's the issue. It's compounded by the apparent hypocrisy of the Minister of Finance acting in a way…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And any MP &mdash; regardless of the state of their reproductive organs, or whether they're below the salt on the Opposition backbench or the Prime Minister &mdash; who can't get by on a far from parsimonious package needs extreme budgeting advice.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig, I fear you've overlooked that English made his family the issue, no one else.</p></blockquote><p>Paul; If you're going to bend over and pick up every sticky turd a politician obligingly lets fall, all you get is mucky hands and a sore back.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I'd rather avoid politicians' children becoming tokens in any kind of game, "fair" or not, thanks.</p></blockquote><p>Craig, I fear you've overlooked that English made his family the issue, no one else.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, but when he's saying things like "I am not going to allow anyone to require me to send my children away to meet some perception problem" I think noting he can damn well afford to house six kids on that income is fair game.</p></blockquote><p>Lucy: If you think it's…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And it would still be nonsense if Bill English was a bachelor in a betsit with ninety-six cats.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but when he's saying things like "<a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/audrey-young/2009/8/4/plague-both-their-houses/?c_id=1501219&amp;objectid=10588627" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I am not going to allow anyone to require me to send my children away to meet some perception problem</a>" I think noting he can damn…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't the ministers live in state owned houses, as there second residence. That would leave a better taste in the public mouth, even if it where inefficient.</p></blockquote><p>He should be in Vogel house but there is a squatter in there at the moment according to David Farrar and then…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						My partner and I have been married for nearly 20 years, and in those 20 years, we have moved 12 times.  You might think we do it so often because it's fun, but really, it isn't, even when it's just a matter of moving a few streets over in a…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sort of. The idea that you'd be hard-pressed to keep a family with 6 kids together on, say, $370k without a $50k rent subsidy on a house that you own... it's nonsense.</p></blockquote><p>And it would still be nonsense if Bill English was a bachelor in a betsit with ninety-six cats.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't really see the relevance to any matter of genuine public interest.</p></blockquote><p>The relevance is to Bill's claim that the subsidy has enabled his family to remain together. I call "BS."</p><blockquote><p>Craig, I fully agree... that's kinda what I thought 3410's comment to Glenn Pearce meant... It's not relevant.</p></blockquote><p>Sort…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're kidding, right?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, my tongue was firmly in my cheek.</p><p>I would say though that having 6 kids does add a little weight to English's argument about renting and having to shift twice and not wanting to go through it again.</p><p>It can't be that easy to find accomodation…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Craig, I fully agree... that's kinda what I thought 3410's comment to Glenn Pearce meant... It's not relevant.</p><p>Moreover, it's Bill English who introduced this into the discussion, no one else. The number of kids they have is their business.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the point being made is that they're still a high-earning double income family. Six kids is a lot, and certainly expensive, but let's not overlook the fact that they've been financially secure for sometime.</p></blockquote><p>Paul: Perhaps we should put Bill and Mary English's fecundity to the same side…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>I suspect there's a lot of families with six children who would be damn happy to be on $100K, let alone well over $300K.</p><p>But your income at this sort of level isn't in any way affected by the number of children you pop out, and fair enough.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						I think the point being made is that they're still a high-earning double income family. Six kids is a lot, and certainly expensive, but let's not overlook the fact that they've been financially secure for sometime.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're kidding, right?</p></blockquote><p>Why would that be a joke?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>6 kids</p></blockquote><p>You're kidding, right?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>where's the edvidence that without the $50k "rent" subsidy the English family would be unable to stay together due to the hardship of surviving on a mere $276k p.a. + Mary's GP income?</p></blockquote><p>6 kids</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Earlier in the column, she lashes English and Key for deploying emotional spin, when no one has ever actually suggested that his family should be broken up.</p></blockquote><p>I don't want to call English a serial liar, but even if someone <em>was</em> suggesting that, where's the edvidence that without the $50k…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm so glad you all voted National! It was terrible being looked after by Labour &ndash; they were like nannies compared to Action Man John and his best buddy Bill. Puke!</p></blockquote><p>Andre: I don't know if you've been paying attention, but there's not a lot of sympathy flowing in either…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Audrey Young</p></blockquote><p>Righteous bitch-slapping all round.  Now Goff and Key can claw back some credibility by retracting the pointing fingers, serving fuckupachinos to their caucuses and hammering out a serious and credible reform package.  Please &mdash; you folks broke it, now you can get real about fixing it.</p>
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						<p>It's a kick in the puku.</p><p>MP's get paid so much that you'd think that the job came with no other perks. Once you add in the VIP treatment they expect for the rest of their lives it's worth about $500k a year. And you can retire after 6 years…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/audrey-young/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501219&amp;objectid=10588627" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Audrey Young</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Phil Goff did his best to suggest that the rules under National have changed and that Labour minister cost the taxpayer a lot less than the current lot, which is, of course not true.</p><p>The annual leases of Labour ministers' taxpayer funded ministerial homes last year has just been…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, Defence Minister Wayne Mapp has admitted his family trust receives taxpayer funds from a Wellington property he lets to another MP.</p></blockquote><p>The disappointing thing about the news that has come out about English, Mapp, etc, is that there clearly is a system for getting as much as possible out…</p>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've tried to be resolute in not moaning about the fair cost of representative democracy, but this case <em>really</em> stretches my tolerance.</p></blockquote><p>I really can't see how it can or should be tolerated. It looks to me like simple greed if not outright theft. </p><p>Is there any way we can…</p>
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				<title>Kong</title>
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						I remember one primo case of where the independent youth benefit worked pretty well. A friend of a girlfriend when I was a kid was both brilliant, and a Jehovah's Witness. She excelled academically and aimed to go to med school. This was despite the huge hours she was required…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've tried to be resolute in not moaning about the fair cost of representative democracy, but this case really stretches my tolerance.</p></blockquote><p>But if a mega-dose of good old-fashioned <em>embarrassment</em> leads to meaningful reform (which I'm just cynical enough not to count as a done deal), at least some good…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Some <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/08/04/1245c13d412b" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">more</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Meanwhile, Defence Minister Wayne Mapp has admitted his family trust receives taxpayer funds from a Wellington property he lets to another MP.</p><p>Dr Mapp collects more than $700 per week towards his accomodation, at the same time as his trust received almost $10,000 in rental income.</p><p>The Labour…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Gordon Campbell has a good <a href="http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2009/08/04/gordon-campbell-bill-english’s-home-and-happiness/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">column on the expenses issue</a>, including this:</p><blockquote><p>Undoubtedly, the highlight of the Prime Minister’s brief press conference yesterday was this classic exchange between Key and the Dom-Post’s Vernon Small.</p><p><strong>Small:</strong> When you said he [English] changed the trust arrangement [ with regard to his…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Paul Holmes was a godsend to me, I was struggling to do homework at the time, having taken an interest in evening TV. But that was always a guaranteed half hour in which study seemed like less work than trying to get my head into Holme's space.</p><p>His worst crime,…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or perhaps practices have actually changed somewhat under this government. It might be worth considering that possibility while you're strenuously extrapolating what he said.</p></blockquote><p>Could be, but it might actually be more useful &mdash; and smarter politics &mdash; if Labour articulated a serious proposal for reform.  Meanwhile, if the rules…</p>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm just a bit perplexed as to where Murray McCully stays when he's he's visiting his Albany electorate, given that his main home is 150km away. Do we put him up in a hotel?</p></blockquote><p>If the <a href="http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/MPP/MPs/Expenses/f/4/6/49NZPMPExpenses1620091-Members-expense-disclosure-from-1-January-2009.htm " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> expense disclosures</a>  for the first 6 months of this year are…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or perhaps practices have actually changed somewhat under this government. It might be worth considering that possibility while you're strenuously extrapolating what he said.</p></blockquote><p>That's as I understand it but I think it does need exploration. If it is the case that the rules have been changed then all this…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p>Totally Off Topic:</p><p>There's a "Stop the Night Class Cuts" (cuts planed to ACE) march in Wellington today. From 2.15 at Wellington High School, getting to Parliament about 3 pm, if any of the capital readers are interested.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>But I do hope Darren Hughes isn't trying to set up an 'everyone does it, but they're worse' defense, because it seems to me that the real problem is that there's a lot of *cough* strategic ambiguity deliberately built into the system. And that doesn't just happen unless everyone (or…</blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well obviously in that tale, Jenny Shipley did.</p></blockquote><p>Kyle:  Coming back to abolishing provocation, Charles Chauvel is on the record saying that he's pleased that it's been taken up as a government bill which will have Labour's support, and therefore an overwhelming parliamentary majority.  Sorry, but I'm giving big ups…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Phil: You know something, as I've said elsewhere: Who gives a shit?</p></blockquote><p>Well obviously in that tale, Jenny Shipley did.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But Darren Hughes keeps saying the rules changed after the election.</p><p>Labour MPs are also saying Clark kept a watch on the issue, which wouldn't be surprising given that she had two ministers &mdash; Marian Hobbs and Phillida Bunkle &mdash; stood down for an inquiry over Wellington accommodation expenses in…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't want to see MPs eating grass and sharing a urine-scented doorway with Blanket Man but a little fraking <em>modesty</em> wouldn't hurt.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah. And not <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/780164" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> kind of enforced modesty.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not all MPs, of course. Just those we don't like :-)</p></blockquote><p>Hey, I don't dislike Blanket Man that much. :)</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Scott, so that would be roughly half of them in any given Session? ;)
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't want to see MPs eating grass and sharing a urine-scented doorway with Blanket Man</p></blockquote><p>Not all MPs, of course. Just those we don't like :-)</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Where’s the fun in that? Sophistry is Mark’s bag.</em></p><p>Yeah, but does it matter if he gets there in the end.</p></blockquote><p><shrug> Seems to matter him, judging by his response to you. I’d just suggest he cut the robbery-like rhetorical style (not that he’s likely to want advice from me).</p><blockquote><p>…So…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That doesn't mean MPs are overpaid, though.</p></blockquote><p>Up to a point, Lord Copper. :)  "Overpaid" isn't the right word, but I've little patience for the argument that 'we're entitled to it, because we've taken such a huge paycut to enter politics'.  In most cases, I think any halfway competent MP…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That doesn't mean MPs are overpaid, though.</p></blockquote><p>I, personally, think there's something very, very wrong when elected officials are earning above even the 85th &ndash; never mind the 95th! &ndash; percentile of national income distribution. We're not the developing world, for crying out loud.</p>
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						<blockquote>Don't think most people do &mdash; within reason. I think what does get people's hackles up (which we saw in the UK) is politicians who think they can get on the public teat and there's no quid pro quo involved in the form of high levels of public disclosure and…</blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But Darren Hughes keeps saying the rules changed after the election.</p></blockquote><p>Mr Head, let me introduce you to Mr Desk.  Slamdance!</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Sorry if I sound a bit prickish here, but if anyone has been forced into Parliament at gunpoint they probably shouldn't be there at all.</blockquote> Aye.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't see what's wrong with MPs earning a good salary.</p></blockquote><p>Don't think most people do &mdash; within reason.  I think what does get people's hackles up (which we saw in the UK) is politicians who think they can get on the public teat and there's no <em>quid pro quo</em>…</p>
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						Hey I figure, if this is going to be the knee( circle) jerk reactionary party, may as well yank their chain :)
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd also be interested to know what the practice was under the previous government. Labour MPs are not openly attacking English, which makes me suspicious.</p></blockquote><p>It appears there may have been an informal agreement not to make a meal of it, in advance of the publication of the figures. But…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Then we get this .</p></blockquote><p>Hate to say it, Sofie, but I'll hold off the celebrations until I've seen the terms of reference &mdash; the malicious little fuck of a demon being in the details, and all that.  But I guess one thing Key has learned from Moat-gate in the…</p>
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						<p>I agree with Sacha.And if absolutely all living expenses are paid, with no salary, wouldn't the volume of rorts simply multiply?</p><p>I don't see what's wrong with MPs earning a good salary. The majority of them work long hours and make enormous sacrifices in terms of family and social life.</p>
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						Then we get <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588522" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this .</a>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						If it is unpaid then only the rich can afford to do it.  Is that really what we want?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't have a particular problem with the salaries earned by our MPs. And most ministers would probably be able to earn a lot more if they were in the private sector.</p></blockquote><p>I don't have a problem with them earning a lot of money. I'd just like it to be…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And just to make nice for a moment, nice to hear that Charles Chauvel has said Labour will be supporting any government bill to abolish the partial defense of provocation.  The only bitch I've got that it should have happened years ago, but better late than never.
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't have a particular problem with the salaries earned by our MPs. And most ministers would probably be able to earn a lot more if they were in the private sector.</p></blockquote><p>I've always liked the idea of MP's salaries being zero with all relevant expenses being covered and a…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>I'd also be interested to know what the practice was under the previous government. Labour MPs are not openly attacking English, which makes me suspicious.</blockquote> I am sure, because this is acceptable practice,it hasn't been questioned. Helen had an apartment in Wellington (so says Duncan Garner) and lived at Premier…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd also be interested to know what the practice was under the previous government. Labour MPs are not openly attacking English, which makes me suspicious.</p></blockquote><p>To be fairly cynical, Scotty, remember when Labour tried to make hay out of the MP for Helensville living in a Parnell "mansion" &mdash; only…</p>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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						<p>Sacha,</p><blockquote><p>Good on Heather Roy, Chris Finlayson and Peter Dunne for not renting out their Wellington houses and getting the rest of us to shout them another one. Not that I want either families being split up or all our representatives living in Welli and further isolating them from the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But Craig, as any conservative would tell you, there's a big difference between you keeping more of your own money and you helping yourself to some of mine ;-)</p></blockquote><p>But there's also forms of tax avoidance that aren't so bad when nice middle-class people do it. :)</p><p>I've often thought…</p>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<p>I don't have a particular problem with the salaries earned by our MPs. And most ministers would probably be able to earn a lot more if they were in the private sector.</p><p>And most of the expenses being claimed seem reasonable. But there appear to be a couple of examples…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Didn't it used to be a Deputy Principal's salary &ndash; back when that was a role held in unifoirmly high esteem?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've sometimes daydreamed that an ideal way to determine MPs' salaries would be to link them directly to the average full-time wage.</p></blockquote><p>I'd go one further and make it a multiplier of the minimum wage.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I weren't mistaken I'd guess you're just having a go because I'm yellow.</p></blockquote><p>Mark &ndash; this is uncalled for and out of order.</p><p>As far as I am aware, this is the first time you've made any sort of mention of your ethnicity (as opposed to your current country…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>One of the biggest rorts of all is that the GG, in addition to being paid very handsomely for a job that is all but redundant, and having mansions in both Auckland and Wellington, pays no income tax.</p></blockquote><p>I'm just a bit perplexed as to where Murray McCully stays when…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, Russell, you might be right &mdash; but quite a few media folk, as well as politicians, might want to make sure their own *cough* tax minimization instruments are not only in order but fully disclosed before getting too sanctimonious. Hypocrisy isn't a very good look either.</p></blockquote><p>But Craig, as…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Auckland CADS are good people. Holmes is off his tree dissing them</p></blockquote><p>Well, quite.</p><p>The fact that CADS, who help thousands of ordinary people, got slagged in the same documentary that gave Tom Claunch and his rich-folks clinic an extended free advertisement is ... poor.</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>I've sometimes daydreamed that an ideal way to determine MPs' salaries would be to link them directly to the average full-time wage.</p><p>e.g.,</p><p>"Regular" MP &ndash; 2x avg full-time salary</p><p>Cabinet minister / Leader of Opposition &ndash; 3x</p><p>PM &ndash; 4x</p><p>That way the only way their circumstances could improve…</p>
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				<title>Bronwen Joyner</title>
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						I'm glad someone suggested turangawaewae...I find that word fits when no other word will, when I'm struggling to describe the ex-pat relationship to NZ.  I find myself reaching for the word mana a lot here too and not being able to find a good English substitute.
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Personally, I'd be more impressed if Parliamentarians passed legislation linking their pay increases to inflation and/or average pay increases in the civil service.</p></blockquote><p>No argument from me Craig.</p>
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						whanau? I thought it so everywhere I didnt think to note it!
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						<p>Gordon Paynter &ndash; stay out there in your lonely little managementspeak world-<br />TracyMac &ndash; awhi: awhi ai mai na! Ae te awhi na-<br />turangawaewae- v. important to me &amp; mine, and I think it is becoming more widespread &ndash; but, as a person who thinks of most of Te Wahi Pounemu…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I noted on the Island Life thread last Thursday that Lianne Dalziel's bill to do the same had been drawn from the ballot. Shame the Herald didn't report that fact.</p><p>Shades of a cartoon (Tom Scott?) brilliantly portraying Shipley on labelling. You'd have thought it was about labelling food, until…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for you, Mark, take a jump. I left home when I was 17, in 1986, and it was fucking hard. &lt;/blockquote></p><p>So you left home at 17 too. minus the 12.5% interest.</p><blockquote><p>so I don't see what the fucking problem is with a hand-up at the right time (unlike…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wow. Even if there's an innocent explanation, that's not a good look.</p></blockquote><p>Well, Russell, you might be right &mdash; but quite a few media folk, as well as politicians, might want to make sure their own *cough* tax minimization instruments are not only in order but fully disclosed before getting…</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						I like all the Maori vocab being highlighted here. I'd also like to propose <em>turangawaewae</em>, which is a concept very precious to me, having now spent a third of my life living away from home. Yes, I've been to the countries where my ancestors originally came from (Ireland, mainly), but…
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Close enough is good enough and all that.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure that's ironic Matthew. I doubt the public will be as tolerant. Perhaps had Tolley, Bennett and English been less zealous in their mantra, we must tighten the belt, we'd all be more tolerant of a double income family being subsidised…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>In the same way that you might save someone a broken nose by kicking them in the nuts instead.</p></blockquote><p>And a chortle all the way from page one.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Mikaere and his dad wrote me my whaikorero for this year's Foo Camp, and I loved speaking the greeting part.</p></blockquote><p>Still sad I missed that part (despite my best Shapeshifter-inspired driving efforts). </p><p>However, I was thoroughly delighted last week when a colleague used the <a href="http://folksong.org.nz/whakataka_te_hau/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">non-christian karakia</a> raised here last year.…</p>
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						<blockquote>Sorry, but I think this should officially be declared management-speak, and not in a good way.</blockquote> Well I don't think it should be denigrated in such a way that I doubt it was originally intended so I will agree to disagree on that one.Cant get all jiggy on it sorry.
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						<p>Good on Heather Roy, Chris Finlayson and Peter Dunne for not renting out their Wellington houses and getting the rest of us to shout them another one. </p><p>Not that I want either families being split up or all our representatives living in Welli and further isolating them from the rest…</p>
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						<p>Has anyone suggested <strong>whanau</strong>?  <br />Seems relevant.</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Some other maori words I love and use frequently, and are, I would suggest, appropriate to how I feel about this forum &ndash; <em>awhi</em>  because this place can be, at times, supportive; <em>manawa</em> because I have big heart for very many of you; <em>tuakana teina</em> because sometimes I feel like…
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				<title>Gordon Paynter</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Korero</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, but I think this should officially be declared management-speak, and not in a good way. I have frequently heard "let's have a korero about that" (or similar) used as a way to head off or shut down disagreement while appearing inclusive and culturally sensitive. It really grates.</p><p>YMMV.…</p>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The scene where (Holmes) sat weeping angrily over harm minimisation advice in some CADS literature was not only dishonest</p></blockquote><p>Auckland CADS are good people. Holmes is off his tree dissing them. He may be a nice bloke, but some klepto should nick off with his ego. The righteous dwarf needs…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote> that would make sense about removing himself as both trustee and beneficiary. Hadn't thought of that angle.</blockquote> If so, he is definitely not alone. Just the few mentioned tonight seemed to do this, Probably considered good accounting as trusts are set up to do.I would imagine it is airtight too…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Scott, that would make sense about removing himself as both trustee and beneficiary. Hadn't thought of that angle. And you're probably right that it's that easy to get around the expenses rules. After all, they're not answerable to IRD for this shit so it really doesn't have to be airtight.…
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						<p>I caught a bit on the news about English's trust.</p><p>It sounds like he removed himself as trustee and beneficiary, in order to fit within the expenses rules. I'm not sure who the beneficiaries of his trust now are: probably his kids and maybe his wife. Key has apparently claimed…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Thanks Sophie, et al for understanding.  Honestly, I've been making a real effort to curb the incendiary this year after my train wreck end to last year. But days like today show I've still got a way to go...quite frankly I'm pretty damn glad everyday I log in to find…
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Where’s the fun in that? Sophistry is Mark’s bag.</blockquote> Yeah, but does it matter if he gets there in the end.If the influence is good, should it not be a good thing.He certainly tests some of us, so what,  Korero.
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe it's changed a bit since your friend was 16. Or...perhaps the policy is solid &amp; the execution is lacking funding.</p></blockquote><p>I'd say that's probably the case, my experience of this thing is pretty warped dating back to 97-98 I had no fewer than 5 flatmates on this benefit, 3 of…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Feeling the love.</p></blockquote><p>Ah the warm glow of love by state demand, that’s some quality caring and sharing!</p><blockquote><p>Considering Matthew's first response was directly following;</p><p>this exchange. ...</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, in which Nic provided a good reason for retaining the benefit, to which you responded with your glib “live with a…</p>
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						<blockquote>Sofie, have a lovely glass for me while being comfortable of your magnificent couch!</blockquote>Righto, I'm on yours now. :)Seriously black velvet is a beautiful fabric and the back side is gold with black flecks of the velvet which makes 2 pillow shaped cushions necessary tomorrow then I'll sort your delights…
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>Mark, if the parents are still so hopeless that they are not interested as grandparents do you not think that the alchoholism counselling would have equally fallen on deaf or disinterested ears?</p><p>People going and getting counselling for alchohol abuse and any other types of counselling that we may think…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><strong>Mark Taslov:</strong></p><blockquote><p>What kind of good reasons?</p></blockquote><p>A real-world example: In 2007 a young relative of mine brought a school friend home with her. The shy and rather distressed teenager had been ordered out of the family home by her mother, who hailed from an Asian country with the possibly…</p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<blockquote><p>provocation will be scrapped by a government bill.</p></blockquote><p>I noted on the Island Life thread last Thursday that Lianne Dalziel's bill to do the same had been drawn from the ballot.  Shame the Herald didn't report that fact.</p><p>Shades of a cartoon  (Tom Scott?)  brilliantly portraying Shipley on labelling.  You'd…</p>
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						Sofie, have a lovely glass for me while being comfortable of your magnificent couch!
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						korero (another goodie creeping into ANZ mainstream) talk &ndash; but not just talk &ndash; talk it through, talk about thoroughly, give us some ideas here, exchange viewpoints-
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But wherever reasonable I feel family is the best port of call</p></blockquote><p>You're making the assumption that the state doesn't think this way.  Had a quick look at the Ministry of Youth Development site; there was a bit in 2006 outlining the improvements they were making specifically for people on…</p>
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						<p>Heh! Hoha...</p><p>"te mea, te mea, te mea" literally means 'the thing" x 3 &ndash; but 'mea' is one very complex wee word. Generally when used in that 3fold fashion it means "and so &amp; so" or "and so forth" or "and so on"-</p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As someone said before, he has this image of himself as a little kiwi battler</p></blockquote><p>Who has a thoroughly distorted view of the circumstances genuine Kiwi battlers face.  A former producer tells the tale from about '93 or '94,  a time when tax rate policies were being publicly discussed.</p><p>The…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote>Your completely naive assumption that all members of families are both known to each other and in full possession of aroha for each other and the capacity to feel and express it. I suppose the examples of dysfunctional families that have been presented to you on this thread just slid…</blockquote>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>we would be buggered if it weren't for grandparents, for example</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry to hear that Jackie and yet at the same time I'm glad that it is the grandparents and not state that are intervening, maybe I'll get blasted for saying it. But <strong>wherever reasonable</strong> I feel family is…</p>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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						<p>Sofie,</p><p>Finlayson, Roy and Dunne already lived in Wellington so would not be eligible for the 'living away from home' housing allowance or expenses.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ThaDude, if that benefit was really easy to get, every rebellious 16-year-old with a bee in their bonnet about being told off for smoking a joint would be on it. C'mon.</p></blockquote><p>.<br />And that's my distant memory too, that the application required evidence of near irreparable break-down of the family unit.…</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Mark Taslov</p><blockquote><p>Feel the love</p></blockquote><p>Your completely naive assumption that all members of families are both known to each other and in full possession of aroha for each other and the capacity to feel and express it. I suppose the examples of dysfunctional families that have been presented to you…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Plus,  <em>NO</em>  benefit is easy to get in NZ.</p></blockquote><p>Not only are benefits not easy to get, even when you're on them you're screwed if you need extra money for, say, dental work. A friend's a DPB mother (three kids to the same father, who she divorced because he was…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						In the absence of a more-recent-and-relevant thread in which to post it, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588461" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">provocation will be scrapped</a> by a government bill.
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Dude, if that benefit was really easy to get, every rebellious 16-year-old with a bee in their bonnet about being told off for smoking a joint would be on it. C'mon.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not saying it's easy to get, never did, I'm simply maintaining that the people I know who've received…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p>Plus, <em> NO </em> benefit is easy to get in NZ.<br />Completely off topic. I just recovered my couch in a beautiful plush black velvet for $250.00. I think that is marvelous. I so happy, I think I will drink. :) Cheers</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>because I think we should take a closer look at how and in what manner benefits are administered to under 18s</p></blockquote><p>Dude, if that benefit was really easy to get, every rebellious 16-year-old with a bee in their bonnet about being told off for smoking a joint would be on…</p>
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						<p>Russell- that is such a good topic!</p><p>(A neighbour just brought me her own fresh bread, and pikelets, and homemade pumpkin soup...I was able to give organic ANZ garlic(which she neeeded) for such an unasked for-but-deeply appreciated  koha- an example of manakitaka if ever. eh?)</p><p>So, the rant part of…</p>
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						Interesting that  Finlayson, Roy and Dunne don't collect any housing expenses for living in Wellington, but as circumstances for other MP's indicates, there are ways to retain properties whilst renting on the taxpayer in Wellington. Still,I think if a property an MP owns is not fit for it's purpose (Key…
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						<blockquote><p>where someone can be obliged to take on care of a person just because they‘re related</p></blockquote><p>Feeling the love.</p><blockquote><p>He was refuting a point you made earlier, and what he said is directly related to the issue of the need for the benefit.</p></blockquote><p>His point being he think's I'm saying…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>isn't "trust" an odd term for something which often seems to come down to tax avoidance?</p></blockquote><p>It's a very, very old term, possibly one of the oldest in "English language" legalese, given that it dates back to the Crusades. Back then, when the head of the household was heading off…</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<p>mark taslov: </p><p>The mere existence of a benefit does not automatically mean that it's being thrown around willy-nilly at individuals in the absence of other avenues of support. Likewise, just because you heard of someone that's flagrantly abusing it, doesn't mean that every beneficiary is.</p><p>Obviously there are plenty more…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						That would be, Mark, because some families are, to put it kindly, shit. And their children should never live with them. There are many wards of the state who are unable to live with their own families &ndash; and that means extended, not just immediate, because they are not healthy…
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						<p>mark taslov, I take that comment *extremely* personally on behalf of me, my own, and all my friends, and a *very* large number of people I am acquainted with-  our families are paramount (but not your nasty little god)</p><p>what Matthew Poole said-</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm thinking it means "agree, support, affirm, appreciate", that about right?</p><p>Thanks Islander.</p></blockquote><p>Me too. I've known the word for a long time and always thought it was pretty handy, but this reminds me I should take advantage of its utility.</p><p>That would have been a good angle for last…</p>
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						ah the wrath... it's up above Islander. I'm not patronizing you or anyone, I just think you're good at finding excuses not to put family first.
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Of course not no. Sorry. Expecting a family member to be happy or even ok to take care of another family member? In New Zealand? What was I thinking?</p></blockquote><p>Because of course it’s easy to just take on the care of another person’s teenager, who may live in another city…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>…or indeed "why not?"</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, not sure what you mean, Steve.</p>
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						<p>"Of course not no. Sorry. Expecting a family member to be happy or even ok to take care of another family member? In New Zealand? What was I thinking?"</p><p>O nothing. Or you werent thinking. Those comments are on a par with your earlier one apropos (precis) "it's accepted that…</p>
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						Essentially Steve, BEnglish wants to scrap it, Others were saying it's fine- we shouldn't scrap it 'what would we do without it' etc, and I'm personally saying its flawed and needs some work.
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						<blockquote><p>Plus he seems to have made the assumption that the relie would be happy to take on this responsibility.</p></blockquote><p>Of course not no. Sorry.  Expecting a family member to be happy or even ok to take care of another family member?  In New Zealand? What was I thinking?</p><blockquote><p>"Of course…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote>Implicit in your comments is a view about extended families that sort of appeals to me; that we ought to be helping out our kith and kin. Perhaps we've gotten use to the kind of wealth that is attainable when you have one kid and two incomes. Still, they'll likely…</blockquote>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>that's not a good look.</blockquote> Sometimes you are too polite Mr Brown.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Even if there's an innocent explanation</p></blockquote><p>I look forward to hearing it.</p>
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				<title>Steve Reeves</title>
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						...or indeed "why not?"
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ww, that's certainly how it read to me. His position is consistent with an abolition of the welfare state, relying on familial charity to support those who are unable to support themselves.</p></blockquote><p>Plus he seems to have made the assumption that the relie would be happy to take on this…</p>
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						<p>@ Russell</p><p>All this "trust" business (isn't "trust" an odd term for something which often seems to come down to tax avoidance?) is confusing (as intended?), but, can Bill English at some time in the future become a beneficiary of the trust once more? </p><p>And at that point does something…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Indeed it does Paul Williams-
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						<blockquote><p>Had he remained a beneficiary of the trust, he would not have been eligible for much or all of the money he's getting.</p></blockquote><p>I understand it's gone from $400 p.w. to $900-$1000 p.w. since the change of circumstances, that'd be while we're to tighten our belts...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Tautoko Matthew Poole</p></blockquote><p>I've been searching for the spelling of that word on and off for a while. I learned it, to the extent that you understand a concept from a language you don't speak, when studying and I often think it's precisely the word/concept I most want to use…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mark, in which utopia do you reside where young people have convenient relatives who can take them in?</p></blockquote><p>Pretty much most countries excluding the new world.</p><blockquote><p>Hell, maybe the nearest family members are no better than the parents from whom they are so eager to escape.</p></blockquote><p>seems you have a…</p>
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						<p>Ohh ... Julian Robbins just explained the significance of Bill English withdrawing as a beneficiary of the family trust which owns his house &mdash; after the election last year.</p><p>Had he remained a beneficiary of the trust, he would not have been eligible for much or all of the money…</p>
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						Mark, as desirable as it might be for extended family to pick up where parents fail/struggle, it's not always possible. I don't know about your circumstances, but I'd have trouble taking in my teenage nephew should I need too; my house would be too small and my kids are very…
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						<blockquote><p>Back to Holmes. Does he write well sometimes? If not, how did he win the Qantas Award for best columnist when there are brilliant writers out there who are so very much better than he is. He seems to have one main subject &ndash; himself.</p></blockquote><p>I recall the gasp in…</p>
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						<p>Cecelia &ndash; a very good question indeed...<br />Who knows what goes on in the minds of judges of writing awards ( including those formedia columnists)? I've judged a lot of awards: when you're part of a panel of judges, the results can be unsatisfactory to some of the judges...I have…</p>
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						ww, that's certainly how it read to me. His position is consistent with an abolition of the welfare state, relying on familial charity to support those who are unable to support themselves.
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						<p>So what you're saying Mark is that...</p><p><em>If</em> I had kids (which I don't) and <em>if</em> those non-existent kids had to stop living with me for whatever reason, you'd ship them back to the UK &ndash; cos that's where my nearest rellies live...</p>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						Back to Holmes. Does he write well sometimes? If not, how did he win the Qantas Award for best columnist when there are brilliant writers out there who are so very much better than he is. He seems to have one main subject &ndash; himself. As someone said before,  he…
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						Mark, in which utopia do you reside where young people have convenient relatives who can take them in?  Assuming that there are relatives in the same town, which is a big assumption with current population mobility trends, who's to say they can afford to feed another mouth? Or would you…
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Guess your made would have to go live with a relie.
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				<title>Nik C</title>
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						<p>RE: The Independent  youth benefit. One of my mates in college was on it because their Mum died and their Dad had a serious mental illness.</p><p>Makes you wonder what's going to happen when they scrap it, eh?</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Apologies. You're quite right. Paul does that to me. I just wish he would STFU sometimes and learn a bit of humility in the face of some glaring problems.
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				<title>Leigh  Kennaway</title>
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						<p><em>Stereo?. Eh in my day it were mono... if you were lucky.</em></p><p>Wind-up gramophone at 78rpm with crackly needle &ndash; but you try telling the kids of today that!! Them and their fancy portable I-p3 players.....</p>
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						<p>What Craig said (second comment). </p><p>Let's avoid the cheap shots about Holmes' family.</p>
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						<p>I know what you're saying Kyle, it'd just be nice to see these spirals moving a more positive direction.</p><blockquote><p>I always love it when people say "Just throwing money at it won't cure the problem". Of course it will! It's just that we hardly ever throw enough &ndash; possibly because…</p></blockquote>
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