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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Oh, now this was kind of sweet.</p><p>In <em>today's</em> questions Winston Peters just attempted (in a degrees-of-seperation kind of way) to accuse Keith Locke of supporting China. Cullen responded by excusing people who might be over-enthusiastic about new regimes with specific reference to Zimbabwe.</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>"Now that really is elevating you to ....a... supreme being! Ha"</p><p>or a well meaning middle eastern bloke with a who simply wanted the bank out of his temple.</p><p>cool. french for cool, i'll write that down. I'm gonna get that school c french one day.</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>"Now that really is elevating you to ....a... supreme being! Ha"</p><p>or a well meaning middle eastern bloke with a who simply wanted the bank out of his temple.</p><p>cool. french for cool, i'll write that down. I'm gonna get that school c french one day.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:15:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>Jesus jackie, </blockquote>Now that really is elevating you to ....a... supreme being! Ha
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:34:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Just as an aside, Jeremy, the french use "genial" to mean cool, really.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:23:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Waugh</title>
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						<p>And for your Creationist easter Monday enjoyment I bring you this hysterical blog!</p><p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php</a></p><p>Enjoy :-D</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:08:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>génial (adj) &ndash; of genius, inspired</p><p>Jesus jackie,I took german and cigarette smoking at school. It took me ages to google that.<br />But thanks for the great link, I  love the 1970's school projector room style commentary.  </p><p>Swive (Hows it supposed to sound?)Like hive? I'll start using it.I need some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:22:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						But its spelling is incompitant.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<p>I thought <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONIzDOzx_GE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a><br />was, as the French would say, tres genial.....</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:28:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>I wonder what happened around 1500 to make people drop swive and take up fuck as the preferred slang. Swive being a crudely poetic description of the action, fuck being a derivative of animal husbandry terminology.</p><p>It seems rather like the whole of society stopped talking about having sex, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:25:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Alternatively you could put a call in to the "Yellow Peril"</p><p>Exactly the kind of post I can no longer write, folks.</p></blockquote><p>I was thinking more a long the lines of a briefing :-)</p><p>btw &ndash; good to know that you still visit PA now and then</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:02:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<p>Just another Tibet link. This time <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/20/tibet.miles.interview/index.html?section=cnn_latest" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">James Miles of the Economist</a><br />in an interview with CNN on what he observed in Lhasa last week.</p><blockquote><p>What I saw was calculated targeted violence against an ethnic group, or I should say two ethnic groups, primarily ethnic Han Chinese living in Lhasa, but…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:08:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Reeves</title>
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						Emma, it is Stephen Fry---what a record, what a man!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:51:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>Bravo, Steve Judd for pointing out the media took the easy road whie the blogger did the homework. </p><p>Bravo Russell for blogging on this report and demonstrating the diverse range of coverage rendered and also where to find the source documents so we can see for ourselves. </p><p>Blogging at its…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:57:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Russell and All:</p><p>Bloody great points raised, which I'll pay the respect of a decent response when I'm not such a blot head.</p></blockquote><p>Another little piece to this puzzle regarding a response to the unrest in Tibet. Seems that Hu Jintao the present President of China was in charge of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:06:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>"You just luuurrrve him cos he called Key a 'Rich Prick'"</p><p>No I have  a respect for him because of his track record. The "rich prick" comment was his poorest moment. Is George Soros a rich prick, Bill Gates,Warren Buffett...?  </p><p><br />"But none of this is "censorship". </p><p>Well, technically your wrong.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:54:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Steven, that study reveals a correlation &mdash; which as we all know, is not the same as causation. So what could be the possible types of causal connection here?</p><p>(i) People get put in prison because they're mentally ill?<br />I sincerely hope that isn't generally the case; if true, that…</p>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						<p>I wouldn't go blaming too much profanity on the Dutch &ndash; after all Old English is a very close relative of Old Dutch and most of those words have been around in Old English long before the Dutch became merchant traders.</p><p>The Dutch swearwords I learned while working in Amsterdam…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:30:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Care to guess who currently holds the UK record for saying 'fuck' the most times in a live broadcast?</p></blockquote><p>My initial reaction was exactly the same as Rich's. Damn. I suppose I've gotta be serious now. One strong contender, if only because she shatters the gender stereotype (while fitting the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:27:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>You just luuurrrve him cos he called Key a 'Rich Prick'!! (Why has no-one made the T Shirt yet?)</blockquote>Heh, they did, tried to use gold for the lettering, trouble was the 'Rich'bit kept falling off! Then they just ended up with a bunch of Pricks.Oh how we laughed....
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>Care to guess who currently holds the UK record for saying 'fuck' the most times in a live broadcast?</em></p><p>Fucked if I know. :-)</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>I can't be the only person who now wants to insert the word 'fuck' into every. single. post. I make here. </p><p>(OK, maybe I am. Yeah, I know, I know, this is probably a sign of some deep-seated mental problem.)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:56:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>you don't mind that your opinions may be less valued as a result</p></blockquote><p>Care to guess who currently holds the UK record for saying 'fuck' the most times in a live broadcast?</p>
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				<title>Karen Hester</title>
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						<p>As to the iTunes story, it's sounds less impressive in other articles: </p><p>A lump sum?  Well, they're talking subscription plans too.<br />Free access for life?  Maybe only for the life of the device or subscription.  (DRMed to the hilt)<br />$20/$80?  Some people say that's what Apple would pay the music…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:16:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>an etymological note. "Fuck" seems to have been used in English for at least 500 years, and related words exist in other Germanic languages.</p></blockquote><p>saw a doco that clearly linked it to dutch sailors.</p><p>a lot of our "diritiest" words are ex-dutch, apparently.</p>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>'Rich Prick' &ndash; T-shirt</p><p>I'm sure it would be worn with pride at the golf clubs around the country.</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Jeremy--<br />As far as I can tell from observation, there is no language policy on PAS. Everyone is free to voice their opinion in whatever words they choose. There is no "censorship" as such. However, it is a <em>public</em> forum (the clue's there in the title), with &mdash; and <em>welcoming</em>…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>Cullen.He’s a good bloke. He is the best finance minister since……….well he is the best finance minister I have ever seen….yeh the competitions been shit but somebody had to be #1.</blockquote>You just <em>luuurrrve</em> him cos he called Key a 'Rich Prick'!!  (Why has no-one made the T Shirt yet?)
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This is how many people speak and have spoken for along time.</p></blockquote><p>yes jeremy, and do note that a well placed profanity can comfortably crop up in almost any of the posts here and not look out of place; but you should try to avoid using it as punctuation, It…</p>
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				<title>Tze Ming Mok</title>
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						<p><em>Alternatively you could put a call in to the "Yellow Peril"</em></p><p>Exactly the kind of post I can no longer write, folks.</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>Words are beautiful<br />If Fuck is  a thought, it’s got to be a word.<br />It is a word, it’s just banned from dictionaries.</p><p>Fuck you, Fuck them. (to hell with them and you)<br />Fuck this (that’s no good)<br />Fuck that ( I’m not going there brother) <br />Fucking great (Amazing, amazing,…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>What the word fuck isn't used in politics. ...and they're "fucks " in perfect context by the way. I know my language.  This is how many people speak and have spoken for  along time.</p><p>Do you want me to censor myself ; and actually one is a "quote" for  a…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>Cullen.He’s a good bloke. He is the best finance minister since……….well he is the best finance minister I have ever seen….yeh the competitions been shit but somebody had to be #1.</p><p>Who in the last 20 – 30 years has managed our finances better?</p><p>Keith asked him a loaded question…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Eww, yuck Russell &ndash; did Craig Ranapia ghost write this?</p></blockquote><p>No, otherwise Russell would have been describing Mr. Loudon's work in significantly less generous terms.  Pardon me, but I'm hardly shocked that the sectarian-left is full of people with bizarre views and who spend too much time attending meetings of…</p>
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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				<title>Chockasunday</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Unless, of course, he actually wants our political culture to descend into Trevor Loudon-style ideological panty-sniffing ...</p></blockquote><p>Eww, yuck Russell &ndash; did Craig Ranapia ghost write this?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Russell and All:</p><p>Bloody great points raised, which I'll pay the respect of a decent response when I'm not such a blot head.</p><p>But, once more, for thoughtful discussion of a contentious issue: PAS, 1; MSM, nil; Parliament, red carded and sent from the field seconds after kick off.  Doctor…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But what would be the effect of a boycott? Would the leadership recognise the error of its ways, or just seek vengeance?</p></blockquote><p>I don't know if I'd argue for a boycott of the Olympics. But Mandela has spoken positively about the impact of sports boycotts on his country's struggle. Whether…</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But what would be the effect of a boycott? Would the leadership recognise the error of its ways, or just seek vengeance?</p></blockquote><p>Yes &ndash; probably have no positive effect at all. But that's the beauty of the sports boycotts. They make people feel good without it affecting them directly. Trade…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Hmmm. I think I'll spend the long weekend reading up and developing a view.</p><p>I'm often suspicious of zeal driven by today's headlines. There was huge outrage about the extensively televised events of Beslan that wasn't there when the Russian government was massacring Chechnyans in their homes. And we never…</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As I noted yesterday, I have some qualms about Locke's unwaveringly negative views about interacting with China. Sometimes it seems like the acceptable face of xenophobia.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/mar/19/tibet.suspects" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This</a> on The Guardian site shows China not doing PR very well and providing plenty of ammunition for their critics.</p><p>They are probably…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Incoming!! Heh. You guys probably know this already...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4447173a10.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/4447173a10.html</a></p><p>Key says Sir Roger will never be in a National government cabinet post &amp; ACT won't be coalition partners if Sir Rog is in their ranks.</p><p>Mentions the Radical Right Wing Agenda.  Confesses there is one I guess.</p>
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Somebody tell Jake the Peg!</p></blockquote><p>HAH, pairs, three pairs. </p><p>there were even a couple of reasonably well fitted out stores in newmarket doing it.</p><blockquote><p>bought a dodgy second-hand one from a drug addict, just like everyone else.</p></blockquote><p>my theory is, if you ever buy dodgy knowingly; you lose all right…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If that were the case, then surely we wouldn't still be trading with the USA.</p></blockquote><p>Well I don't support what the USA is doing/not doing in various parts of the world.</p><p>But America diving into the Middle East and getting involved in/helping cause a civil war and thousands of deaths…</p>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						Kyle Matthews wrote :<blockquote>Actually, I'd hope that there is a point at which we'd stop trading with a country because of their human rights record. If, for example, China was killing thousands of people each year, would we still trade with them? Hundreds of thousands? Clearly at some point a…</blockquote>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(im liking my ecco's at the moment)</p></blockquote><p>I'll echo that &ndash; checking my blog, I note that it was July 10 last year I gave up on the eccos I'd been wearing for... must have been 3 years or more (must have been an exciting day to report that). I'm…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A workmate tells me that after a year in Amsterdam and his third bicycle theft, he broke down and bought a dodgy second-hand one from a drug addict, just like everyone else.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, they're big on their re-cycling there :-)</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>by selling 'itallian quality' shoes for what seems to be a good price (three for $200 etc)</p></blockquote><p>Somebody tell Jake the Peg!</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I would be surprised if her retails have dropped,</p></blockquote><p>20-25% apparently. The NZ made at the usual priice.</p>
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interestingly I know of one high-profile NZ clothing brand who have recently migrated most of their manufacturing to China, and are happy to claim (in private) that the sewing of the Chinese-made garments is superior to the locally-made versions.</p></blockquote><p>Im sure thats the case, if they have the systems in…</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p>I counted 14 but I'm claiming one of them was the bear. </p><p>Officer.</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						Interestingly I know of one high-profile NZ clothing brand who have recently migrated most of their manufacturing to China, and are happy to claim (in private) that the sewing of the Chinese-made garments is superior to the locally-made versions.
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I believe Trelise Cooper is having her kit made in China now. I'm told the price hass dropped markedly.</p></blockquote><p>I would be surprised if her retails have dropped, costs would have though. Its all part of the 'implication of luxury'  market. If it costs more it must be <em>worth</em> more.…</p>
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						I'm a cyclist I too counetd 13 <em>and</em> saw the bear....
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						<blockquote><p>But the moonwalking bear did make a good metaphor for cyclists. I notice the bear was not wearing any reflective clothing, just black fur, whilst intermingling with a swirling mass of black. Still, I suppose it's okay to be camouflaged if you're a bear. Not so good for cyclists.</p></blockquote><p>I/O…</p>
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						A workmate tells me that after a year in Amsterdam and his third bicycle theft, he broke down and bought a dodgy second-hand one from a drug addict, just like everyone else.
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						I doubt our bicycle ownership is the issue in bike crime. It's bicycle usage. Got a lovely shot on holiday in Holland at the Central train station in the Hague of about 2 acres of parked bikes. The bike I hired had 3 locks and the insurance they made me…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was commenting solely on the way Locke worded his question &ndash; to imply that at a certain number of people tortured, Cullen would say "oh right, that 100th one really put the nail in that trade agreement. was happy with 99 though".</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I'd hope that there is a…</p>
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						$12.50 an hour, less tax, part-time. ~$300-$350 p/w.
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						If anyone's making shirts here on $300 a week then their management should be in jail for paying under minimum wage.
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						<blockquote><p>I'd rather have one $300 shirt that feels good, looks sharp and lasts for years than three $100 shirts</p></blockquote><p>lots of people can afford neither, because $300 is their total weekly wage. and their jobs making shirts here will disappear.</p>
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						<p><em> to imply that at a certain number of people tortured, Cullen would say "oh right, that 100th one really put the nail in that trade agreement. was happy with 99 though</em></p><p>But the whole pseudo-argument *is* that it is all a question of degree and that although there are…</p>
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						On the topic of media uselessness,  there's a good article by John Lanchester in the <em>LRB</em> on journalists' increasing reliance on press releases  <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n05/lanc01_.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. It's written from a British perspective, but the issue's equally applicable here.
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						I believe Trelise Cooper is having her kit made in China now. I'm told the price hass dropped markedly.
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						<blockquote><p>For those currently ranting online against China, in most cases itd mean giving up their computers and sitting at home in the nuddy.</p></blockquote><p>True, it'd be hard to find electronics not made there, but there isn't quite the same problem with clothes. Clothes made in NZ, Europe etc are much…</p>
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						<p>Like I said &ndash; anti-smacking style of debate.</p><p>I was commenting solely on the way Locke worded his question &ndash; to imply that at a certain number of people tortured, Cullen would say "oh right, that 100th one really put the nail in that trade agreement. was happy with 99…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Locke welcomed the arrival of the new government in Cambodia in 1975, but so did many other people, and other governments</p></blockquote><p>and they were right to do so. the tragedy was that the "new stable government" rapidly went downhill under a huge weight of paranoia and dogma.</p><p>for those who…</p>
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						<p>Why is it "ridiculous" to suggest that we silently (or otherwise) link our prosperity to fascism.</p><p>Do the Chinese jail, enslave, and torture people?</p><p>Do we sell them lots of milk products and similar?</p><p>Do they in turn sell us coveted consumer items at a much cheaper price than a…</p>
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						<blockquote>But when he asks "what's the number of torture and illegal imprisonment cases before we stop the free trade deal", then that's insulting. It's clearly the case that no Govt or sane human being links them, yet here he is implying that Cullen is happy with one or two torture…</blockquote>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>If Locke had asked "is the minister aware of the case of Ye Gozhou and does he wish to make comment on it" etc then all power to him.  I would applaud any highlighting of such atrocities.  <br />Equally, I would be interested in questions regarding what consideration of human rights…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I just think they both came across as insulting a$$holes (yes yes all politicians etc etc) and surprised at how 100% of the focus has been on Cullen's retort.</p></blockquote><p>Wait, Locke uses question time to draw attention to human rights issues in China, which is a bit of an issue…</p>
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						__How many cases like that of Ye Guozhu, sentenced to 4 years’ imprisonment for his opposition to forced evictions in Beijing associated with construction for the Olympic Games, and subsequently tortured while in detention, would it take for him to reconsider the April signing of a preferential trade agreement with…
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						<p>"just as Close Up's elaborate contrivance to compare Clark and Goff as student protesters with the pair of them as government ministers 30 years later was irrelevant."</p><p>Didn't catch the Close-up contrivance &mdash; I generally only watch news and current affairs on the box &mdash; but I can clearly recall…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Oh and funny you link the Q&amp;A transcript &ndash; started reading that yesterday but almost gave up on the "patsy" intra-party questions.  Again, realise they're always there but sheesh they're nauseating!</p><p>Was impressed to see bFM make leaders questions though!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Listen to question time much?</p></blockquote><p>Ha, no I don't.  But that doesn't change the nature of either statement.  I just think they both came across as insulting a$$holes (yes yes all politicians etc etc) and surprised at how 100% of the focus has been on Cullen's retort. <br />But I suppose…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>is one of the more facile and insulting questions I've come across.</p></blockquote><p>Listen to question time much? It's the exact format National constantly uses on crime or health or pretty much anything; and to my mind a bit more justifiable.</p><p><br />FWIW you can, as usual, [[http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00349.htm|read the question time transcript on…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>is one of the more facile and insulting questions I've come across. Cullen's response was equally insulting and deplorable but I don't blame the guy for getting his back up at insults like that.</p></blockquote><p>You clearly haven't watched question time very often. That's relatively tame.</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>It's awesome</blockquote>I'm not so sure Graeme, that test <em>was</em> pretty easy. I correctly counted 13 passes made by the white team, without problem. I might even have spotted the moonwalking bear first time 'round too &ndash; if that had been asked. But I was only asked to count how many…
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						<p><Yes, I didn't mean to imply he wasn't a god guy, but the Greens' approach to China as a whole is generally very negative, especially on trade.></p><p>...and I suspect we may all feel the same once we see the disaster that will transpire for NZ after the signing of the FTA.</p>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p>Russell blogged :</p><blockquote><p>... very affluent countries such as Switzerland, Ireland and Iceland ...</p></blockquote><p>I wouldn't classify Ireland as "very affluent", in fact, I don't think it even warrants an "affluent" (unless you're comparing it to the world average, rather than relative to New Zealand).  It is definitely not in the…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote>I'm not defending everything he's ever said or done, or even the Green's position on trade agreements &ndash; all I'm saying is that, best I can tell, he has a genuine and admirable commitment to human rights internationally. And I'm pretty sure that that is the motivation for his current…</blockquote>
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						<p>pg 132 of the report.</p><p>NZers are feeling safer in the streets at night.</p><p>Those scared of the Dark: <br />1992 36%   <br />2004/5 30% </p><p>6% of total are not scared of the dark any more but even better 20%  of those who were scared of the dark have done away with…</p>
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						<blockquote>Yes, I didn't mean to imply he wasn't a god guy,</blockquote><blockquote>, Keith Locke has been consistent and dedicated on human rights issues wherever they take place.</blockquote>Absolutely, Isn't that his job also?Human rights are always part of  the Greens issues and Keith locke is passionate,  so it should be difficult for…
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						<blockquote><p>Gah! Waving cat statues so terrifying!</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://aucklandista.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/what-is-going-on/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Something a little stranger</a>, courtesy of the Aucklandista...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What I want to know is, are Asians more or less likely than the general population to commit bicycle-related crime? Eh? Eh?</p></blockquote><p>Psssh. What would an Asian do with a bicycle, anyway? That shit's for peasants.</p><p>And damn you and your work habits, Russell. I read that NZPA report at…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In that case, I vote that the trophy be one of those waving lucky cats.</p></blockquote><p>FTW!</p>
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				<title>Eddie Clark</title>
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						The Codswallop Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence?
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				<title>Eddie Clark</title>
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						Gah! Waving cat statues so terrifying!  And yet, what an excellent award, and what an appropriate trophy.
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						<blockquote><p>more acceptable name such as the 'Deborah Coddington' award)</p></blockquote><p>Might I throw the "Coddingtonswallop Cup" into the ring?</p>
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						In that case, I vote that the trophy be one of those waving lucky cats.
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe Public Address should be handing out a "Complete Fucking Bullshit" award to the worst case of bad journalism each week (of course, we might have to give it a more acceptable name such as the 'Deborah Coddington' award).</p></blockquote><p>The Deborah Coddington <em>Memorial</em> Award. Now that has a nice ring…</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I didn't mean to imply he wasn't a god guy</p></blockquote><p>Phew &ndash; that's a relief. We wouldn't want any atheists in parliament ;)</p>
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						<blockquote>I'm not defending everything he's ever said or done, or even the Green's position on trade agreements &ndash; all I'm saying is that, best I can tell, he has a genuine and admirable commitment to human rights internationally. And I'm pretty sure that that is the motivation for his current…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>To all intents and purposes the definition of news journalist has now simply become: "One whose job is to retype press releases".</p></blockquote><p>One of the best pieces of advice I ever got about getting your story in the media (from Grant Robertson) was to use double-line spacing.</p><p>For two reasons…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As I noted yesterday, I have some qualms about Locke's unwaveringly negative views about interacting with China. Sometimes it seems like the acceptable face of xenophobia.</p></blockquote><p>For what it's worth I was in a panel discussion/debate with Keith Locke last year on the subject of sweatshops in developing countries. While…</p>
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						<p>I was also working on this story, but have been neatly beaten by a combination of Russell "Great Helmsman" Brown and Bob "The Very Bad Baby" Haywood.</p><p>A couple of very minor additional points:</p><p>1. An equally good title for Simon Power's press release would've  been "Overall Crime Drops Under…</p>
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						Sigh ... why bother actually reading reports and stuff when you can <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10499320" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">just quote Garth McVicar</a>?
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						<blockquote><p>You don't think trying to compare apartheid South Africa with modern China is just a wee bit of a contrivance?t</p></blockquote><p>Probably &ndash; but if you wanted to put your money where your mouth was back in '81, all you had to do was swear off drinking Nederburg. No great hardship.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also: let me see. The *cough* "MSM" reports on a press release from a politician, while the blog goes to the source and looks at it critically.</p></blockquote><p>Yep. And as i pointed out, the first round of reporting on the survey was also based solely  on a press release, from…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In fact, this statistic is meaningless unless related to a breakdown of bicycles per person, or perhaps per household. Get Keith on the case immediately :-)</p></blockquote><p>What I want to know is, <em>are Asians more or less likely than the general population to commit bicycle-related crime</em>? Eh? Eh?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:53:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Also: let me see. The *cough* "MSM" reports on a press release from a politician, while the blog goes to the source and looks at it critically.</p><p>Remind me which one is meant to be journalism?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:52:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>we have the lowest rate of bicycle theft in the survey</p></blockquote><p>Quelle surprise. We probably have the lowest rate of bicycle ownership as well.</p><p>In fact, this statistic is meaningless unless related to a breakdown of bicycles per person, or perhaps per household. Get Keith on the case immediately :-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:50:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, I'm not so sure. I think its fair comment to compare and contrast when they &mdash; and much of the Labour Party &mdash; took a much harder line on economic, sporting and cultural contacts with South Africa.</p></blockquote><p>You don't think trying to compare apartheid South Africa with modern China…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:43:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>just as Close Up's elaborate contrivance to compare Clark and Goff as student protesters with the pair of them as government ministers 30 years later was irrelevant.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I'm not so sure.  I think its fair comment to compare and contrast when they &mdash; and much of the Labour Party…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Turns out I can do that myself &ndash; should have checked it for YouTube!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4</a></p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Well, today's effectively Friday :-) so I thought I'd post a Friday link:</p><p><a href="http://dothetest.co.uk/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://dothetest.co.uk/</a></p><p>It's awesome (if someone wants to edit this to embed it, please do).</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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