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				<title>WH</title>
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						Lo, and the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/07/27/DI2007072700984.html?hpid=discussions" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Cat of Doom</a> brought wailing and gnashing of teeth to all that beheld it.
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Official Cash Rate changes for the last 12 months:</p><p>July 26: OCR increased by .25 per cent to a total of 8.25 per cent.</p><p>June 7: OCR increased .25 per cent to a total of 8 per cent.</p><p>April 26: OCR increased .25 per cent to a total of 7.75…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:51:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Agreed on point 2. Didn't consider that at all. Not sure about 3 and 4.<br /> But 1 is the sticking point, really. Not because we're wedded to the family home- you only pay the tax on the difference in value, IF you sell. What we're wedded to is changing houses…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:31:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(And I'm not totally convinced the "family home" should be exempt. It's still "unearned" money (though "improvements" need to be considered) and it *should* even out somewhat in that the cost of the tax to vendors is mirrored in lowerprices for buyers.)</p></blockquote><p>Well that would be:</p><p>1. Political suicide. The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:08:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>What does the room say to this one (idea related by someone who'd seen it on the telly)...</p><p>Hit all that consumer spending by hitting all that ludicrous credit &ndash; lower the bankruptcy threshold.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:36:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Nominally, Rob, it isn't tax-free. If you trade anything for income &ndash; from apples to shares to houses &ndash; you are supposed to pay tax on that income.</p><p>However most people who are in the business of trading property don't declare that income, and IRD doesn't go after them.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:07:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Totally agree Kyle. I still can't understand why money I earn by working is taxed while money earnt by <em>not</em> working is tax-free. I don't understand how it doesn't simply privelege speculators. <br />(And I'm not totally convinced the "family home" should be exempt. It's still "unearned" money (though "improvements" need…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:00:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kyle, if you're not willing to be part of the solution then you're part of the problem. When the revolution comes it will be fat-cat property owners like yourself who will be first up against the wall.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure if my three bedroom ex-Railways house in Dunedin qualifies me…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:47:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Stephen- a wide range of comments here, and commentators in the media agree on this. If only that meant it'd happen!<br />But it's off the political agenda, largely 'cos Bill English won't have a bar of it- though Clarke seems to have stepped up to write it off as well.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:16:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>leaving banks the possibility of lending 100% mortgages for a deserving few</p></blockquote><p>Ah, there's the rub. This thread is full of damn communists! <br />Who decides who deserves a 100% mortgage? The banks, or some state agency? And who's a better candidate for a 100% mortgage? The young couple who can't scrape…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:50:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Nat is on the money, but there are far less draconian ways to deal with the housing link in the chain of currency death.</p><p>1. Just enforce existing law. Ie, collect income tax from people who  trade property for income. Pursue dodgy trusts, depreciation claims, and LAQCs.</p><p>2. Make some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:44:57 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Kyle, if you're not willing to be part of the solution then you're part of the problem. When the revolution comes it will be fat-cat property owners like yourself who will be first up against the wall.</p><blockquote><p>Housing 'speculation' is no worse than speculating on the sharemarket</p></blockquote><p>No worse, and no…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:43:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>If the Govt wants to dampen down the housing market they can pass a law requiring all mortgages to be to a value of no more than 75% of the property value. And if they've really got balls they can make it retrospective, thus requiring existing mortgage holders to pay…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:31:11 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Next you'll be saying we shouldn't privatise the water. </p><p>I think it's time I called <strong>'COMMUNIST!!!'</strong> on this thread.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:29:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh FO, please!! [I say that without malice :) ] Housing 'speculation' is no worse that speculating on the sharemarket</p></blockquote><p>Yes, because it's as trivial to create more land and housing as it is to create more companies and shares on a given stockmarket, and 'somewhere to live' ranks in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:23:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>The way out of this bind is to have low interest rates ... but do away with the idea that housing speculation is an acceptable source of income.</blockquote>Oh FO, please!! [I say that without malice :) ]  Housing 'speculation' is no worse that speculating on the sharemarket. What are you…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:59:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think we are fleeced on books, CD's, DVD's as well.</p></blockquote><p>I tried to buy a cellphone in Auckland this week. Having held off in Jakarta two weeks ago when I saw it (Sony Ericsson K810) everywhere for about $390, the cheapest I could find it in AK was in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:54:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						It gets real scary when you get people like Winston and Barry on TV3 talking up "my shares in AKL Airport", or Helen talking up AirNZ shares. Alot of council managers have AKL Airport and Ports Of AKL shares as well, meanwhile most politicians are property investors in some form…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:34:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<p>So, it seems obvious now I've been thinking about it:</p><p>If Bollard puts interest rates UP, NZ is a more attractive location for foreign investors to park their cash.  NZ$ goes UP, inflation goes UP because most of our products are imported.</p><p>If Bollard takes interest rates DOWN, the housing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:22:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>I think we are fleeced on books, CD's, DVD's as well. Licensing only came off in NZ about 15 years or so ago? The business model still exists (see Telecom, AKL Airport, etc).<br />Get into a monopoly with Govt. control and milk it. Sadly there is so much investment money…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:05:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						Mac prices were, for a long time, a special rort.  When I worked for a Mac reseller the guy who had an exclusive license to import Apple kit also owned a shipping line, overland freight company, and so on.  The reason Macs were so ridiculous was because hjis Apple importing…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:00:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Most importers negotiate delayed payment, especially with China, it can be paid up to 3 months after landing. Also they have hedge funds, I'm expecting some to be hoping to ride the $NZD down soon, because you know, you can go both ways.<br />NZ importers seem to offer a special…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:50:36 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Because the price you pay is based on the exchange rate at the time the container load of PS3's were ordered (and charged for).</p></blockquote><p>Suuuure.  And when the dollar rises, importers will, as they have before, explain that the cost needs to rise to cover the replacement stock they'll be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:05:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>why do Playstation 3s cost $1200, when then 60GB model costs US$500?</p></blockquote><p>Because the price you pay is based on the exchange rate at the time the container load of PS3's were ordered (and charged for). </p><p>I'm guessing a lot of plasma TV's were bought by importers once the dollar…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:49:58 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>So if the dollar is at 0.8 US, why do Playstation 3s cost $1200, when then 60GB model costs US$500?</p><p>No doubt retailers will jack prices up on everything the moment the dollar even looks like falling...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:55:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's a question: where's the American anguish about their plummeting exchange rate? In a massively importing economy, shouldn't households be feeling the squeeze? Yet I can't recall reading any commentary of that nature.</p></blockquote><p>The sleeper has <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stewart/an-explanation-of-the-dol_b_57258.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">awoken?</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:59:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>John<br />Leeanne of the Harley Davidsons White NZ Policy plus Labours (&amp; now Nationals) denial of legal rights to test Foreshore &amp; Seabed ownership based purely on Race. There is a trend here.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:10:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I thought Raf's figure of 4bln for bank profits was a bit high. The actual number is made up of:</p><p><a href="http://www.nbnz.co.nz/about/financialreports/pdf/KISMar07.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ANZ National</a>: 635mln<br /><a href="http://www.westpac.co.nz/olcontent/olcontent.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/KIS_PDF_NZ/$FILE/KIS+NZ+Mar+2007.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Westpac</a>: 216mln<br /><a href="http://www.bnz.co.nz/binaries/BNZ_KIS_FINAL.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BNZ</a>: 330mln<br />ASB: 440mln</p><p>Total: 1621mln</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:19:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						I take political party press releases with a large grain of salt, Michael.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:47:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Shud have noted the link </p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0707/S00352.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0707/S00352.htm</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:43:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						Re: the purchasing power of the NZD ... check out <a href="http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9433804" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this interesting survey by The Economist</a>.  The Big Mac survey measures the purchasing power of different currencies according to how much a Big Mac costs in that country.  Taking US as the base, NZ is slightly overvalued against the dollar,…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:45:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:13:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Nice to see consistancy from the Labour Party.<br />Not only xenophobic about furriners with a Whit NZ Policy but seemingly extending it to exclude Maori (or other hard to pronounce names) from electorate seats.</p>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						Ben &ndash; if you are being literal, the coffee is good! Mind you, there are two excellent cafes in the small exurban town I inhabit presently...
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Where is the downside of pegging the NZD to a basket of our trading partners currencies? Wouldn't this deliver relative stability over the medium term, and encourage investment in production rather than property? Real products to real customers.</p></blockquote><p>I'm no expert, but NZ used to have a fixed exchange rate,…</p>
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						<p>Rich,</p><p>I'm not advocating a return to the gold standard. The gold standard didn't cause the great depression in the 1920s, it was caused by massive asset inflation (properties and stocks) caused by huge speculation on the back of bank credit. </p><p>I'm advocating that the power to create new money…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>But John, how's the coffee? :-)</p><p>Good luck with your plans. Mortgage free has got to feel nice.</p>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<p>Rich: didn't the locked economic conditions, inefficient production, and artificially high prices happen in NZ too under Muldoon?</p><p>How did the gold standard lead to the Great Depression?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<strong>Raf:</strong> What I think you are suggesting (fixing the money supply) has also been tried. It's more or less what the "Gold Standard" did in the 1920's and before &ndash; all currency had to be backed by gold in central bank vaults. It led to the Great Depression.
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						<strong>Nat:</strong> when the company got sold overseas there was an inflow of cash to buy it. After that, there is an outflow of dividends, so it goes both ways. Plus, the dividends paid by a company are usually a fairly small proportion of turnover &ndash; all the expenses the company…
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						<p>Interesting, Ben...</p><p>We are in the process of selling our house in Auckland. We will then move to Dunedin, where we will be able to buy a house mortgage free, and have a bit left over. (There are family reasons for moving south, as well).</p><p>I won't have to spend…</p>
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						<p>Nat,</p><p>To answer your question as foreigners take cash out of the economy and back overseas they sell NZD so someone has to buy it right? But its the nature of the flows.</p><p>The profits made by the Australian banks here in NZD are around $4bln....nice work if you can…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Most of the problem with our political economic ideas is that we even bother to have them. If people just got their own personal finances in order, rather than worrying about what the american dollar is doing, they might be better insulated against both.</p><p>Get rid of debt, unless it's…</p>
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				<title>Barry Torkington</title>
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						Weston: so, in an export based economy (NZ), continued production relies on stability of exchange rates (maintaining competitiveness).  Where is the downside of pegging the NZD to a basket of our trading partners currencies?  Wouldn't this deliver relative stability over the medium term, and encourage investment in production rather than…
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote>Yes as Rich says unemployment is low (even though some of those employment statistics measure employment as 1 hour or more a week) and inflation is now back in the 1-3% range. But interest rates are very high by global levels, mortgage affordability is at extreme levels and the exchange…</blockquote>
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				<title>Barry Torkington</title>
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						Nat:  careful now; drilling down in an economists field usually involves hitting a lot of effluent.  A really interesting topic, though, and who would have expected the controversy regarding the RB policy; after all, it was enshrined in legislation as a sign it would never be altered, and this would…
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Although people might be xenophobic about furriners, it doesn't actually have much practical impact that companies are foreign owned &ndash; why is it better to work for a a wealthy kiwi than a Japanese pension fund?</p></blockquote><p>Rich: imagine two NZ companies--one sells to a foreign owner and the other remains…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						When housing demand outstrips supply, and land is at a premium, the obvious solution is to build taller. It won't suit every corner of NZ, and it's not a trouble-free task, but there'll always be faux-greenies from the Kingdom of Suburbistan who take the quarter-acre section as gospel &ndash; not…
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				<title>Raffe Smith</title>
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						I just want to add to the chorus on <em>The Omnivore's Dilemma</em>. Brilliant book, just don`t read it while you are travelling through the US, as I did... It may put you off certain foods, and I became obsessed with checking the packaging for ingredients derived from corn.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						I'm not so concerned about house prices. If we had a trade <em>surplus</em> of 9% of gdp, they'd be rational, and probably affordable (assuming we had jobs...). But I'm guilty of this "living on credit" thing too. Doing it for a year might be a dangerous lark. Doing it for…
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						<p>Thanks for the tip Michael. It should be an interesting night and probably a microcosm of water disputes taking place globally (think Darfur, M.East).</p><p>Lee, Although the USD is in a major downtrend the NZD has had major moves against the Yen especially. Australia, the US, Japan and China are…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>current account deficit: 9% of gdp.<br />house prices: way out of reach of single-income families<br />most capital: foreign-owned with lots of dividends and interest whooshing off-shore<br />savings rate: negative</em></p><p>Three of those are just numbers. They are inputs but they don't have any practical effect on actual people. You aren't…</p>
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						Gah.  One t in incarceration, please.
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						<blockquote><p>If you're old enough to vote you're old enough to go to jail!!</p></blockquote><p>No incarcertation without representation!</p><p>/me throws tea into harbour</p>
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				<title>Lee Wilkinson</title>
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						<p>They key with Bretton-Woods was that in 1945 the US dollar was stable enough  to base other currencies on and as a fair and equitable neutral tender. This is no longer the case and it may now be the time to look at the Euro or even the Rouble.<br />It…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p><em>Remember all those business confidence polls over the past 5 years. </em></p><p>People are suckers for polls &amp; surveys. My favourite is when someone (ANZ Bank I think) releases 'results' from their tally of jobs advertised in the newspaper. They actually add up the column inches in the Employment sections and…</p>
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				<title>Lee Wilkinson</title>
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						A lot of public anguish about the kiwis rise against the greenback is mentioned. The key point for me is that it is the greenback that is in free-fall. Hasn't anyone else noticed or are they too encapsulated to see the global picture. Look at the global currency movements against…
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						<p>Raf <br />Poppin along to Water Wars? <br />MC Kim Hills at the CHCH Town Hall Monday night.<br />Last year the Art Gallery just wasn't big enough.<br />It was great to see convicted water thieves stand up and attempt justify their thieft.</p>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>what is going to happen to the housing market when all those baby-boomers retire and the govt lets higher than current levels of immigration (maybe even higher than a few years back)?</p><p>Sometimes when I venture down to Papamoa (Fashion Island or Plaza) it sounds like I am in Britain....…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>then there are all those saying it is broke.</p><p>&ndash; they want to get elected</p><p>&ndash; they have some sort of economic ideology to push</p><p>&ndash; they are naturally grumpy</p><p>&ndash; they have a vested interest in some business activity (like low-added value manufacturing) which the current NZ economy isn't…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>whoops &ndash; i get it now</p><p>Hey Stephen from Tokyo,<br />I am there next week for short visit (10 nights)<br />Any recommendations/hot tips?  (food, beer, sights)<br />will be a bit of a culture shock for me (i have only travelled to english speaking countries before) and i want to make…</p>
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				<title>Jason Dykes</title>
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						After spending some time overseas in various places I decided there isn't a major problem with prices of food and other goods in NZ, the problem is with low wages and salaries compared with other developed countries. I think there's even less of a "bubble" with the housing market here…
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				<title>Raf Manji</title>
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						<p>Rob, globalisation of money in terms of free flow of capital is a major destabilising force. One the great ironies was Alan Greenspan being awarded a knighthood for services to financial stability.</p><p>Well i was a trader for those years and it was probably the most unstable times the markets…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>But then there are all those saying it is broke.</em></p><p>&ndash; they want to get elected</p><p>&ndash; they have some sort of economic ideology to push</p><p>&ndash; they are naturally grumpy</p><p>&ndash; they have a vested interest in some business activity (like low-added value manufacturing) which the current NZ economy…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But then there are all those saying it is broke.</p></blockquote><p>If we don't want to end up as a tin-pot banana republic in the bottom of the South Pacific we need to cast off the shackles of old thinking and embrace some <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbi8tFe769U&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">radical  new ideas</a> to put us on the…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>of course.<br />current account deficit: 9% of gdp.<br />house prices: way out of reach of single-income families<br />most capital: foreign-owned with lots of dividends and interest whooshing off-shore<br />savings rate: negative<br />nothing to see here. move right along please.</p>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						My point, if I have one, is that prices aren't universally higher in NZ or lower in NZ.  Depending on what you get, and when, the prices can be great or can be shit.  The only exception is meat--regardless of the type of meat you get (except possibly for the…
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						But then there are all those saying it is broke.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The way people are talking you'd think we had some sort of actual crisis. Look at <a href="http://www.stats.govt.nz/products-and-services/hot-off-the-press/consumers-price-index/consumers-price-index-jun07-hotp.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the figures</a></p><p>Inflation is 4%<br />Unemployment is 3.8%</p><p>I'd call that pretty successful. We should be careful about trying some snake oil scheme (like cutting short term interest rates to drive the dollar down)…</p>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						Jeremy is right: the NZD$/kg was me running "USD to NZD" and "lb to kg" through Google to make it easy for you to compare to the products you presumably already know well.  I'd love to have someone price the equivalent items in New World and see how much a…
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						I think you're right, Jeremy. Most of the prices there seem to be above our local prices.
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>I'm hoping to travel through the Americas sometime soon and am biding my time for my purchase of $USD. Hello, currency speculation.</blockquote>I'd suggest you buy half your dollars <em>before</em> Bollard's announcement on RBNZ interest rates on Thursday and the other half <em>after</em>. That way you hedge your punt &ndash; there's…
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>some of the NZD prices quoted for food in above post are way off reality</p></blockquote><p>I think you'll find the NZD prices were just translations of the USD prices for comparison, not the prices of comparable products in NZ.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Hiya Raf, yeah, there are some contradictory bits of "teh theory"- eg axiom a/ money is just a commodity like any other and axiom b/ raising the cost of money is not inflationary and not an arbitrary intervention in a "ideally free" market. <br />In terms of money supply: isn't it…</p>
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				<title>Raf Manji</title>
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						<p>Has anyone considered that interest rate rises are actually inflationary as they increase prices across the economy as well as reducing profits or expenditure. </p><p>Like energy, interest costs are embedded in the price of everything we buy. As someone mentioned in a controlled money supply the increase in rates would…</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Good call Max. Teenager bashing is as old as Asterix. Ron he-of-the-finger Mark cuts no straightened ways with me, little imp.
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>some of the NZD prices quoted for food in above post are way off reality (my reality in Tauranga anyway).<br />I have never paid anywhere near $10 for kg of cheddar &ndash; you usually would get this for around $7 on special.  Also is not comparing peaches with peaches!!  They…</p>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>thanks for your time and help James.</p><p>I am currently studying a Grad Dip Teaching (Secondary) and am researching for a paper i need to write on this topic.  My original degree was in Geo and then i had a career in rural banking so this is all new territory…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>good summary neil.<br />but you forgot this one:</p><p>all the cheap oil is used up, here comes the (really) expensive stuff!</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><em>can we sell them more beef? Those prices seem steep.</em></p><p>Not without some creative thought.</p><p>As Nat said, Americans are used to and prefer marbled meat, with lots of fat throughout the muscle. You simply do not get that with grass-fed beef. There are feedlots in New Zealand, and we…</p>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yet I am still so thoroughly confused by global markets, 'pegging' to the US dollar, and what our interest rates actually mean that my head is swimming</p></blockquote><p>Isn't this the problem so where are the economists??  Most of them are alongside the  same boat as the correspondent . Which means…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>WTF? Boneless pork chops? What's the point?</p><p>Well, Avocadoes are about $4 each right now, down to maybe $1 in season. Although Haas fruit all year so I wonder about that sometimes.</p><p>Pork, milk &amp; salmon look about the same I think, but my, can we sell them more beef? Those…</p>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						Interesting prices, Nat, but hardly a real comparison. Who eats ribeye or tenderloin steak? Mince at $10/Kg, blade at $9/kg. Your NZ price for sauages must be for the gourmet variety. And if you eat seasonal fruit...kiwifruit at $2/Kg, the gold variety.
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote>I'm trying to be fair to Mark &ndash; it may not be his fault &ndash; but any lawmaker who thinks 10 year olds should be in the dock in adult court &ndash; let alone in jail &ndash; for petty theft should go find some tin pot nation to become dictator…</blockquote>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<p>I just got back from the supermarket.  Here are the prices:</p><p>Haas avocados: USD$1.79 per. (NZD$2.26)  It's summertime here, remember.</p><p>Peaches: USD$2/lb (NZD$5.57/kg)</p><p>Bananas: USD$.79/lb (NZD$1.75/kg)</p><p>Yogurt: USD$3 for 5 tubs (NZD$3.79 for 5)</p><p>Milk: USD$4.29/gal (NZD$1.13/L)</p><p>Pepsi: USD$3.79 for a 12 pack (USD$4.78)</p><p>Cheese: USD$3.88/lb for cheap Cheddar (NZD$10.80/kg)…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The increasing interest rates have the effect of appreciating the currency, as people invest their money here. This in turn worsens, not improves, our trade deficit, and increases overseas ownership of our economy.</p></blockquote><p>In theory (cough cough- in a nice cleaned-up model of a wholely rational world market economy- as…</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<p>Hi Max, in answer to your questions:</p><blockquote><p>Do you have any references regarding why 'teenagers' exist in our society (and not in others)? Also if deliquency is normal for a teenager (for the reasons you have outlined) what happened in our society before this demographic existed? (and in other societies…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, but didn't the Police Association also tell us prior to the Anti-Smacking Bill that their hands would be tied and by law they would have investigate every reported case of smacking? But once legislation was passed it wasn't all so grim afterall was it?</p><p>I'm all in favour of…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Marcus:</p><p>Just got a quote on UK petrol (taxigas.co.uk) &ndash; 86.9p = NZD2.24<br />NZ caltex = NZD1.51</p><p>So the Brits are paying 50% more for petrol. However, because this is mostly tax, when the price of crude oil goes up, we get hit correspondingly harder.</p><p>Petrol is a bit of…</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But our interest-rates look spectular in comparison, and while our economy has a similar imbalance to the US, there's been the feeling that NZ (via the interest rate at least) is doing something to correct the trade deficit</p></blockquote><p>I've only got an undergrad economics degree, but my understanding is that…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You can vote at whatever age adult criminal responsibilty begins.</p></blockquote><p>Brilliant! If you're responsible enough to do the time, you're responsible enough to vote (&amp; drink &amp; drive &amp; join the army &amp; get carnal etc). One size fits all. </p><p>Better yet, have an exam, an adulthood exam, you can sit it at any…</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>Word Rich of Observations!</p><p>NZ consumers must be the most gouged/rorted in the Western world in terms of price and quality. Food, books, telecommunications, electricity, petrol, and so on and so on and so on...</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>I thought that we stopped the farmers running the country/business media some time ago?</p><p>Where are all the good news stories about how the exchange rates are making  capital goods for the service and manufacturing sectors (otherwise known as "the post-colonial economic future") significantly cheaper?</p><p>If, putting aside sectoral pleading,…</p>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>Just read some of your select committee submission James.<br />Will finish the rest after i write this post.  <br />I was interested in the link between the age of somebody (adolescence) and deliquency and that it "normative".<br />Do you have any references regarding why 'teenagers' exist in our society (and not…</p>
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						<blockquote>Here's the real kicker. The Bill also lowers the age of criminal responsibility for "serious crimes" (with the same definition as before) to 10 years old. So this means that, were the Bill enacted (God help us all) we would see 10 year olds standing on stools so that they…</blockquote>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						I would like to interject briefly, and note that I have carefully read every single post in this thread. Some of them more than once. I also have several degrees and diplomas from recognised tertiary institutions, so according to certain societal measures I am not a complete imbecile. Yet I…
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						(Brief reprise) Re interest rates: of course they are a big part of the picture. But what's at least as important as how high ours are, is how low- quite unnaturally artificially low- both US and Japanese rates have been and continue to be. The idea internally has been to…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>Prices in NZ for most things are outrageous.</em></p><p>I guess it's always bad to generalise from your own experience, but when I lived in the UK my salary in pounds was exactly the same number that I now get in dollars. I think my standard of living is similar if…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>you haven't been reading <a href="http://cryptogon.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">cryptogon</a> have you Nat?</p><p>Prices in NZ for most things are outrageous. Especially eating out and admission prices for attractions. It makes Japan look cheap.</p><p>The only thing I thought was a good deal were the B&amp;Bs. Butter, cream and soda water were cheap in Pak'n'Save. The…</p>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						I'm in the US at the moment.  As other commenters have noticed, the bulk of US imports come from China which has the RMB pegged against the USD.  This situation isn't likely to change because China has so much of the US debt--devaluing the USD against the RMB devalues the…
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				<title>Anthony Trenwith</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I guess you have to feel some sympathy for them drafting a bill like this without the expert advice that the government gets (I assume) but for Becroft and Kiro to slate it in the terms they did, it must be quite a shambles.</p></blockquote><p>In a word: balls. I'm not…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>just to clarify the link posted by Joe above:</p><blockquote><p>Discussions of the sustainability of the US current-account deficit—trending upward from $800bn—rarely plumb the long-term motives of its creditors. Taggart Murphy analyses the historical roots of Tokyo’s post-1868 geofinancial support for the ruling superpower, London or Washington, and the implications of…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>From this time last year &ndash; and now more relevant than ever:<br /><a href="http://www.newleftreview.org/?page=article&amp;view=2625" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.newleftreview.org/?page=article&amp;view=2625</a></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The real elephant in the room is neither the Jap or US currencies. It is the Chinese. If that is ever floated everything we have ever though we knew about monetarism is going out the window in minutes.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm all in favour of those at the coalface (in this case the judiciary who will have to action this proposed law change) having an input but surely it is up to the Govt to set the law?</p></blockquote><p>It wasn't a government bill. It was a NZ First bill supported…</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Judge Becroft's argument makes the assumption that the Youth Justice System is working OK currently, and why would you want to chuck it out? Ron Mark is coming at it from another direction i.e. It is broken and we need to "get tough". (Death Penalty, anyone?)</p><p>As always, the truth…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Gary  Hutchings</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's a question: where's the American anguish about their plummeting exchange rate?</p><p>In a massively importing economy, shouldn't households be feeling the squeeze? Yet I can't recall reading any commentary of that nature.</p></blockquote><p>With the source of many of their imports rapidly shifting to China which has a  peg (albeit…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>so I/S's thesis is that only 20% of the appreciation of the nz$ is due to high interest rates? and the rest of the appreciation is due to...falling US$ and JPY, which we have no control over.</p><p>no, sorry, can't accept that. nz has one of the highest current account…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						There's one thing that I've never understood about inflation: whenever a Nat is asked what they'll do about interest rates, exchange rates and inflation, they say that they'll cut (sorry, increase more slowly) government spending. But how come a dollar spent by government is "inflationary", while a dollar spent by…
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				<title>Evan Yates</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Where is the statistical evidence to suggest offending by 10 to 13-year-olds is spiralling out of control?"</p></blockquote><p>I didn't think that the bill was designed to counter a (non-existent?) increase in crime rate by that demographic. My impression was that it was about more severely punishing the offenders we are…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In a massively importing economy, shouldn't households be feeling the squeeze? Yet I can't recall reading any commentary of that nature.</p></blockquote><p>have you heard of the sub-prime mortgage fiasco?<br />and keep an eye on the US retail sales stats, especially the "excluding gasoline" figure.<br />oh, and personal bankruptcies, credit card…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's a question: where's the American anguish about their plummeting exchange rate?</p></blockquote><p>The Americans are amazingly insular in their view of the world. As far as they are concerned they're a Global Superpower and world's economy revolves around their dollar. And it's unlikely they'll wake up to reality any time…</p>
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				<title>James Clark</title>
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						Bad choice of words. Better 'appreciation' where I used 'inflation'.
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				<title>James Clark</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You've got it backwards. The ~20% appreciation against the AU / Euro / Pound is the baseline due to high interest rates. But that's only a quarter of the increase in the US$ and Yen;</p></blockquote><p>And that's exactly my point. Remove the "Interest rate" inflation of the NZD and you…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						James: You've got it backwards.  The ~20% appreciation against the AU / Euro / Pound is the baseline due to high interest rates.  But that's only a quarter of the increase in the US$ and Yen; the other three quarters is due to the depreciation of those currencies and __completely…
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Judge Andrew Becroft told a parliamentary committee yesterday that NZ First MP Ron Mark's Young Offenders (Serious Crimes) Bill would abolish the Youth Court and end family group conferences.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but didn't the Police Association also tell us prior to the Anti-Smacking Bill that their hands would be tied and…</p>
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				<title>James Clark</title>
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						<p>I/S, sure the USD is doing poorly &ndash; but you can't ignore that the NZD has appreciated against all currencies. Most would agree it was way undervalued at US 40c.</p><p>If you take the rough appreciation of NZD vs EUR or GBP (using the RBNZ figures or your graph)  -…</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p>I/S, I'd have to accept that the yen and $US are falling, but wouldn't that be a consequence of the relative yields from those currencies?  </p><p>I'd be happy to be corrected on this point, but wouldn't the $NZ be rising less against those currencies if it was not for the…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Here's a question: where's the American anguish about their plummeting exchange rate?</p><p>In a massively importing economy, shouldn't households be feeling the squeeze? Yet I can't recall reading any commentary of that nature.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						Post (with graph and links) <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/07/elephant-in-room.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						why do you all ignore the yen? this situation is overwhelmingly driven by the yen carry trade. and contrary to the pathetic NZ media, that doesn't mean japanese housewives buying nz dollar retail bonds. how glib. no, the yen carry trade involves US-based hedge funds borrowing billions of yen from…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>Weston: its the same story with the Yen as it is with the US.  Check out the long-term trend on the Euro-Yen exchange rate from the European Central Bank's time-series:</p><p><a href="http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-jpy.en.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-jpy.en.html</a></p><p>(Hey!  We can play at being John Key for a day! :)</p><p>High interest rates are indeed bad, and…</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p>Russell,</p><p>The WaPo published a rebuttal piece yesterday:<br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/17/AR2007071701456.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Why Bush is a loser</a></p>
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						<p>The point about the fall of the US dollar is a good one.  Still, if our own currency is "significantly overvalued" (especially against the yen) then it is our interest rates that are to blame.  I take it that Cullen gets his advice on this point from Treasury?</p><p>Moreover, high…</p>
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				<title>Neil Smart</title>
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						The problem with economic theory is there are so many variables.  The monetary supply theory which says that raising the price (interest rate) stifles supply only works if supply is limited.  It works fine for the US $ and for the Euro in Europe but NZ is the size of…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Even at the current parity, prices and wages in NZ are much lower than in most other developed countries. </p><p>I/S is right that a lot of the headline exchange rate is the US dollar being weak &ndash; and we can do nothing about them trying to build an imperium on…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Pegging against the US dollar? But that's the half of the problem that people are steadfastly ignoring. Yes, we do have a nasty positive feedback loop between interest rates and the exchange rate. But if you look at the cross rates, we're not appreciating much against e.g. the $AU -…</blockquote>
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				<title>Judi Lapsley Miller</title>
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						<p>Ben said:</p><blockquote><p>I'm an exporter myself, and years ago made what is in retrospect a very wise, if novel decision. I pegged my charges to the *NZ* dollar. Why noone else ever thought of such a thing I don't know.</p></blockquote><p>Nice if you can do it &ndash; my main US…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>I've been looking at the RBNZ's exchange-rate/TWI time-series here:</p><p><a href="http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/exandint/b1/download.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/exandint/b1/download.html</a></p><p>Since the most recent trough in our exchange rates in Apr &ndash; Jun 2006, the NZ$ has appreciated 8.5% against the AU$, 14% against the Pound, 16% against the Euro, and 22% against the US$.  But the others are all…</p>
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				<title>Gary  Hutchings</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But surely it is NZ's interest rates that are the primary driver for the high currency. The TWI is peaking, there has been 30% appreciation against the Euro and similar rises against most currencies.</p></blockquote><p>If it was just a NZ Dollar story, then yes we could do something about it,…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						By the way, I also feel a hell of a lot less poor these days compared to friends overseas.
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Roger Kerr has never cared about the transition cost of journeying to the small-government nirvana he preaches.</p></blockquote><p>Damn straight. He is also pretty good at ignoring the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4132421a13.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">cost to NZ</a> of effective monopoly in telecommunications, going so far as to argue that it is a good thing.</p><p>I don't think…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>right &ndash; but it would also make Bollard happy as it would cool the economy.</p><p>One of the things I've always wondered about &ndash; raising interest rates cools the economy by slowing down the housing market ... but it also heats it up by making imported good cheaper (despite my…</p>
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				<title>James Clark</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Because the $US is currently weakening against all other currencies due to Bush's poor economic policies. And that is not something our reserve bank can do anything at all about.</p></blockquote><p>But surely it is NZ's interest rates that are the primary driver for the high currency. The TWI is peaking,…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What I've been wondering more recently is why the imported stuff I buy hasn't gone down by 20%</p></blockquote><p>The other side of the "death spiral" is what would happen if the NZ sank rapidly to a "comfortable" US$0.65.<br />We'd see some very uncomfortable price inflation- fuel being the one that…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Double ouch. Still, this is form for New Zealand First. As Holden Republic and others pointed out last year, Barbara Stewart's failed bill to reduce the number of MPs in Parliament didn't make much sense either.</p></blockquote><p>It made perfect sense. It was suitably drafted. If reduction in the number of…</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p><em> We (indirectly) import from a firm in taiwan, and they are now trading in euros. </em></p><p>I run my website in US dollars. It might be time to change that to Euro for traffic outside the US.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I consult for a company in the US &ndash; my income goes down every month &ndash; it's gone down 20% in the past year &ndash; but my mortgage goes up ... can't win. I've bitched about that here before, but it's life I know I have to live with it…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'm an exporter myself, and years ago made what is in retrospect a very wise, if novel decision. I pegged my charges to the *NZ* dollar. Why noone else ever thought of such a thing I don't know.
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						He definitely is trying to talk it down and it definitely won't work. It is a dangerous game to play poker with the kind of money floating around that could run on our currency in a flash. Even a really good poker player loses a lot of the time. I…
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						I/S- yeah, that's the elephant in the room. We (indirectly) import from a firm in taiwan, and they are now trading in euros. I don't know how common this is, but it seems increasingly inevitable. While there are some advantages to the US in the dollar lowering, it's uncomfortably vulnerable.…
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						Pegging againstthe US dollar?  But that's the half of the problem that people are steadfastly ignoring. Yes, we do have a nasty positive feedback loop between interest rates and the exchange rate.  But if you look at the cross rates, we're not appreciating much against e.g. the $AU &ndash; it's…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:38:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						All these spirals are making me sick...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:22:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:22:02 +1200</pubDate>
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