D4J is a fellow named Peter, who lives in Rolleston.

The Town of the Future, dontcha know.

but i was – even still am – distressed that RB checked in with nary a boowakashah or a by-yr-leave and referred to my attempts to front up with my enormous curiosity & doubts about the almost definitively treacherous…

YHBT. HTH. HAND.

IKWYM.

Such newbs.

A large prospective study followed a group of 715 homosexual men in the Vancouver, Canada area; approximately half were HIV-seropositive or became so during the follow-up period, and the remainder were HIV-seronegative.

And the HIV-Lymphadenopathy study that preceeded that. HIV-AIDS is one well documented retrovirus. It's hard to isolate because…

read: make sure your desire for respectability doesn't fall out of your panoptically-charged response-ability to all who truly hover within the space opened up by the possibility of a…

No no! Do not engage Sam F!

Suits me. I think I might have reached the limits of my curiosity on this...

Hmmm. My tolerance for being a vehicle for the kind of crap lil' p is serving is stretched really thin.

Aid denial, climate change denial, holocaust denial can only be a matter of time.

There is another site where they probably appreciate that type of thing more..

I'll admit, I haven't been following your entire argument, because it sounds long-winded and seemed to come in out of nowhere when people were talking about sow crates and the whatnot, but I digress.

Can you please, just for me, alleviate the nagging suspicion I have that…

By the early ‘90s, it had become overwhelmingly clear that the average American ran no risk of contracting AIDS. In order to convince…

but Sam, i have been thinking about just how to *approach* this matter, so the thing doesn't go BOOM to soon..

i have the strong feeling that then issue must be approached v,…

Again using the web, it looks like the "pre-existing antibodies" would be CD8 T-cells, which slow HIV illness down but don't quite stop it. HIV itself seems to have a lot of variants, as you'd expect from a mutating virus, all of…

love from viral bill 'ralstun
stark naked and lovin' it

but i am standing right back for the mo and marvelling, yes, simply marvelling, at the phenomenon of everyone keeping everything at arm's length, peripherally & perpetually recycled in denialdgment of how we got here, because…

i simply meant what i said however
and my curiosity as to why onemust believe
that before anything else
a barrow is being pushed before one
is beyond me

the inclusion of the word 'foul' was merely both tribute to Sam's predictably 'ironic' deployment of ' Foul Sodomy'…

yrs
A. Pun Crock
the oi oi ois have it

:) S'all good.

- PIG IRONY
here comes the sludge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZY6qW2Aktk
Pigmeat Markam – Here Come De Judge!

wordplay is for scavengers on the ever-twitching unhulled hull of truth!

Let the shelling begin...

Shucks (he said huskily) – I'm not given lightly to oaths but this is the hull truth and nothing but...
I am, proudly, a serial cultural-dumpster-diver from way back.
Luckily I…

Shouldn't be hard to tell from the IP address record, whoever can access those.

we have indeed entered the age of the internet, where every man worth his weight in informedness is free to judge the available evidence for himself.

Oh dear. I think we're well and truly at the point where Here Comes Everybody segues inevitably into The Cult of the Amateur .

SUPER IRONY!

Quite.

This just in: independent researcher discovers link between barrowpushing and overly muscular prose style.

PS why do we assume, or rather *suspect* so readily that there must be a barrow that needs pushing,

...

(the drugs were used natch to relax their anuses, that the ensuing sodomy-express might NOT be so foul...)

Is it a bird, is it a plane... no, it's

SUPER IRONY!

nitrate based drugs

Ah, that.

A large prospective study followed a group of 715 homosexual men in the Vancouver, Canada area; approximately half were HIV-seropositive or became so during the follow-up period, and the remainder were HIV-seronegative. After more than 8 years of follow-up, despite similar rates of drug use,…

i mean, why should i be anything less than purely intrigued that every last one of the…

half-baked asseverations

Percy was a liar
Percy was a pest
So they gave him a one way ticket
And packed him off to Jest
Where many a true word is spoken

It seems that the crushing weight of scientific and medical expertise is behind the retrovirii HIV-1 and HIV-2 as the cause of AIDS. There is disagreement on this – but the opposing camp seems to…

i am speaking of just what i did indeed mention, and that is the reward offered by various parties to s/he, they, who can actually *isolate* this little…

Mike King must have had ‘some’ knowledge about pig farming practices. I think he simply chose not to delve into it because it wasn't convenient.
He’s neither stupid nor poorly informed, and unless he was living under a rock he must have come across…

I was horrified to learn recently that there are a few feedlots for beef in NZ as well. Seriously, what the hell? If people want to eat over-fattened tasteless "Angus" beef, let them get it from countries with no ethics.

On the odd occasion I head north to the Flatlands,…

I was horrified to learn…

why did the industry lobby so hard for such evil "standards" if only a small minority of farmers actually use them as Trengrove so dubiously claims? Why lie?

I think it's because it's something that they're moving away from. As in, when they replace a building, they probably build it…

inner-city

And here I was thinking you were making a cunning tranport reference..

I like the intercity farming concepts, that allow the pigs to walk to market. The idea is that the pigs live in apartments above the butchers shop, until they're plump.

The New Ruralism.

Campbell Live story here (with link to 12minute video near top), with guests "Peter Sankoff from the…

He actually claimed on the radio this morning that he was offered the job of replacing King as the NZ celebrity champion but he turned it down.

Not on the basis of the treatment of the animals but rather that he didn't think it would be good for…

i am in a uni computer room and i totally HAVE to go for a pee
aint got my id on me so dunno if i can get back in after i go
very, VERY glad that you wish to grab hold of more
please, bear with…

Damn. I'll have to start shopping at Countdown instead of Pak n Slave. Mind you Andrew I think you can get free range chicken at Chantel's in Hastings St and free range pork at the Farmer's Market on Sunday

That's true Tony. I rarely buy pork but I have bought…

with all there is for us to freely consider regarding such, the prize ever higher every year for s/he who can truly meet the plain criiteria for isolation of such a 'virus', i'm flippergusted that RB is willing to play so fast and loose (flippnatly) with such…

spellbindingly
ll' p

May I say ...

Was just discussng today that, the new pun generator was too good ;)

Yours truly, a South Island Maori who sometimes does mis-spell words...

but is that double o in woordplay some indication of yr south afrikaan origins or what?

eek!

May I add that little p adds buggerall?

with all there is for us to freely consider regarding such, the prize…

It's a disgusting, exploitative industry that preys on a largely immigrant workforce in a brutal fashion.

The meat and poultry industry in the USA has a high injury rate, low wages and poor workers' compensation package. When workers comp legislation was set up it was supposed to provide speedy medical…

Although I would said the same thing about Mike King until recently. I think his recent health scare/brush with death (along with his sobering) has had a positive effect on his character. Having said that, I still HATE his negative racial stereotyping which enables closet racists to…

His main angle was that “celebrities” should thoroughly check out any product and industry before putting their name to it.

All fine in principle, but not hugely practical I’d have thought.

A fine principle indeed. Something that has been said about a certain golfer's endorsement of Nike for many years,…

His main angle was that “celebrities” should thoroughly check out any product and industry before putting their name to it.

All fine in principle, but not hugely practical I’d have…

I'm not aware of research to that effect — but working in American chicken plants is bad for your health and various other things. It's a disgusting, exploitative industry that preys on a largely immigrant workforce in a brutal fashion.

Just personal experience, Russell. And in the blood-soaked NZ economy…

For that reason my company agreed to develop the Freedom Farms website as they do a great job in providing a solution to the problem of intensive pig farming.

I'm glad to have my favourable impression of the company confirmed by you.

The brutalisation of those who work in factory slaughter situations must surely have a huge social cost.

I'm not aware of research to that effect — but working in American chicken plants is bad for your health and various other things. It's a disgusting, exploitative industry that preys on a…

DISCLAIMER: Although I personally choose not to eat eat any meat or fowl I…

Might pay to avoid the brains though.

I'll bear that in mind. Luckily, my brain consumption has thus far been purely ovine (crumbed, deep fried and served with celeriac remoulade).

I'm a little bit squirrel-curious too.

If you must. Might pay to avoid the brains though.

Taxonomically, rabbits haven't been rodents for around a century . They're lagomorphs, an order of critters that are about as far removed from rodents on the evolutionary tree as we humans are.

Mmmm, lagomorpha...

Thank you for the taxonomic correction, though I'm disappointed that it removes an entire order from…

What bothers me about pig-farming is not just their living conditions, but also the normal circumstances of their deaths: they are an intelligent animal, and while it's unlikely they can know they're going to die, they can certainly understand screaming and mass fear.

Mammals – and most birds – have…

I think we should, as a nation, look very carefully at the way we transport and kill *all* our domestic food animals.

Agreed. Although I suppose we can console ourselves that we don't have the filthy American horrorshows described by Eric Schlosser in Fast Food Nation.

Hate rodents.

What even rabbit?

Taxonomically, rabbits haven't been rodents for around a century . They're lagomorphs, an order of critters that are about as far removed from rodents on the evolutionary tree as we humans are.

You could probably say the same thing about Stephen Franks :-)

Indeed! How extraordinary.

PS: A word too for Sue Kedgley. I think she's wrong on many things, but she has long been right on this one.

You could probably say the same thing about Stephen Franks :-)

Quite. And it hurts having to pay $20 for a size 14 free-range corn-fed at the local supermarket. My partner and I pick one up every couple of months, but mostly chicken is off the menu.

Proof of what I said above about bloody supermarkets.

If you can't get to…

Hate rodents.

What even rabbit?

I'd say that most of my intake of piggy goodness comes from Italy, in the form of prosciutto, pancetta, salami and the like. I'd be naive to assume that Italian pigs are all lovingly hand-raised by Giovanni's Nonna, but does anyone know whether the Italian…

Free range chicken meat is hard to find, unless you live in Ponsonby.

It's improving, but I get the impression that the supermarket chains have no interest in making it happen.

The Westmere butcher is now stocking twin-packs of the Rangitikei Game Birds corn-fed free-range chooks for $16, which is…

Of course, just because you can't see them, doesn't mean they aren't in a barn somewhere. I gather Canada has a huge intensive pig-farming industry.

Yes, that was the point. I was responding to an earlier comment that much of NZ's imported pig meat comes from Canada. And it sure…

And it hurts having to pay $20 for a size 14 free-range corn-fed at the local supermarket.

$12 for a size 18 free range chicken here in Adelaide. On special. Not corn-fed, 'though. I normally expect to pay about $14 for a free range chicken big enough to feed my…

The pig was grinning I swear.

And humming (bleating) Jingle Bells?

Now THAT is clever.

Or Capybaras for that matter. Hate rodents

But Capybaras are fish aren't they?

Well, except for the tens of thousands of lambs that die terrible deaths from prolonged exposure in the godforsaken, treeless paddocks of the South Island every time it snows in August and September. Which it does pretty much every year.

Yes, but they'd die even if they weren't being farmed.…

I've lived in Canada for a cumulative total of about 5 years. Visited 8/10 Provinces. Driven through rural areas for days at a time.

Number of pigs seen = 0

Of course it's possible they're galavanting about in large, centrally heated barns making pigs of themselves.

Actually, I believe pigs…

Pigs are more intelligent than dogs

NEIL: Well, I don't mind being a pig, cause, for your information, pigs are really intelligent, actually.

RICK: Oh?

NEIL: Yeah, like dolphins.

RICK: Oh, so they are, are they? Well, tell me, Neil. Who invented the internal combustion engine? Was it Porky the…

Free range chicken meat is hard to find, unless you live in Ponsonby.

Quite. And it hurts having to pay $20 for a size 14 free-range corn-fed at the local supermarket. My partner and I pick one up every couple of months, but mostly chicken is off the menu.

Now,…

It always struck me as odd that our Beef and Lamb are given a great life in the paddocks

Well, except for the tens of thousands of lambs that die terrible deaths from prolonged exposure in the godforsaken, treeless paddocks of the South Island every time it…

:(

Number of pigs seen = 0

Of course it's possible they're galavanting about in large, centrally heated barns making pigs of themselves.

But I doubt it.…

Death is the only certainty of life. All us – man and pig – must suffer the pain of death eventually.

Are you seriously suggesting that your knowledge of your inevitable demise means you wish you hadn't been born at all?

we don't get wool or milk from them

| nor even antler-velvet
well there was that one renowned powerful aphrodisiac – the Football !
But things moved on from bladder to versace!
Now most pig leather is used in apparel furniture, saddles and. of course, wallets.

yrs
George Hamilton
__(Tanned…

I am not a moral crusader for the vege lobby: I am not moral enough or veggie enough. I just think that if you want pigs to be happy you should think about not eating them; which is not a threadjack, but a logical progression in the discussion.

Yes, it…

eating them is whole reason for their existence – we don't get wool or milk from them, nor even antler-velvet. Just lots of pig-meat, and pretty much nothing need be wasted.

If you don't want to eat them, fair enough. But domesticated farm animals were reared for what we…

Given the choice, pigs don't shit where they eat or sleep.

unlike many politicians it seems – quite…

Lots of un-pigs are not happily snuffling about Kabul.

Sure, we eat them. But that is the reason they…

Or Cat.
Before we all get too soppy about how happy the pigs are on free range farms and how good they taste, remember that they do have to be killed to get from one place to the other: from the state of happiness to the state of tastyness. Might…

Cheap pork products at retail are quite likely to contain cheap, imported factory meat

Or Cat.

Before we all get too soppy about how happy the pigs are on free range farms and how good they taste, remember that they do have to be killed to get from one place to…

A completely different taste and...no sludge when cooking.

mmmmmmmmm...

http://www.nzpork.co.nz/Portals/NZPib/Documents/Publications/March%202009%20Imports%20Report.pdf

Funnily enough, most of it seems to come from Canada.

Chinese pork banned

Yes.

Chinese BBQ pork (but made with NZ pork) banned

NO!

I'm fairly sure that we don't import much pork, and that local free-range meat would be cheaper than factory farmed dead pig hauled here from overseas.

I actually don't think you're right. Cheap pork products at retail are quite likely to contain cheap, imported factory meat. That was the subject…

Last year more than 700,000kgs of pork was imported every week to be made mainly into bacon, ham and smallgoods. This is around 40% of NZ consumption.

referece.

Local free range bacon, looking at current prices, is substantially more expensive than the bacon made from…

I would love to see Chinese pork banned, but pigs don't vote and they don't hire expensive lobbyists.

Interestingly, the Pork Board has recently campaigned against the use of imported pork meat, but that's been undone by the exposure of some of its own practices. If they put aside the…

we must also ban the import of meat from animals raised in sow stalls

I'm fairly sure that we don't import much pork, and that local free-range meat would be cheaper than factory farmed dead pig hauled here from overseas.

Labelling the origin of your pork?
ZOMG! THAT BREACHES FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS! THE SKY WILL FALL!
Personally, I like keeping free range pigs. After chcickens, they are the most relaxing and interesting beast of the field to watch. Nothing like…

I couldn't believe it when I saw Mike King doing this. I have since raised my thoughts of him.

You know, I wasn't looking forward to having him on last week's Media7, given his reputation for being a dick in the past.

But he's sober and sincere and he brought…

Does anyone know where Westmere butcher get there pigs from?

Freedom Farms, certainly, and possibly other free-range producers. It's definitely all free-range.

Although I note that Freedom is now describing its pigs as "cage free", which suggests they spend some time indoors. But they do have the SPCA tick.

He also had a good line when accused of "knowing about it". He said: "If the Minister of Agriculture didn't know about it, why would I?"

Zing!

What things Russell ? Many = how much ?

GE, "dietary supplements", television ...

Freedom Farms

This. Dem's tasty happy piggies.

What things Russell ? Many = how much ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbe5eBqZ0so

Given the choice, pigs don't shit where they eat or sleep.

I have no doubt that Mr King…