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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>Bradley Ambrose’s defamation case against Key takes another step forward. Herald journo and Key biographer John Roughan has been <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11548827" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ordered to hand over recordings</a> of his chats with the PM. </p><p>The Privacy Commission based its ruling on an earlier decision by Judge Helen Winkelmann during Kim Dotcom’s civil case against the…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Henry is the most revolting man, so that rules out TV3 for me.</q></p><p>I'm similarly unimpressed</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ana Simkiss</title>
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						this is pretty interesting, I was coming round to your way of thinking a bit more but was not aware until today that the <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/teacup-tape-hearing-underway-high-court-amid-media-circus-ne-104825" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Crown is opposing the orders</a>.  That downgrades the chance of success a bit I would think.  Fascinating day in Court.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Francis</title>
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						Therese Arseneau. She's a political scientist from Canterbury. I've seen her in previous elections and am quite impressed with her. Certainly much more so than the cod authority that Claire Robinson brings. She was being, I thought, very measured last night. I think that she may have wanted to say…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:26:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>My overall point is the out-of-stepness and tiredness of most of the commentariat</q></p><p>Conservative middle aged white male Jim Mora has two conservative middle aged white men currently on his panel, one of whom (of course) starts the show by complaining about democracy, talking about a leaders debate neither of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:23:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>The @CampbellLive tweet last night making it clear the debate was a news and current affairs gig and that Campbell Live had no input into the selection of panelists was interesting.</q></p><p>Campbell also questioned if Henry  was biased in his appraisal, which he denied. but yeah t'was rather obvious. Who…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:06:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Exactly, Hebe. Why the hell would anyone want Henry on a serious election analysis…oh, right.</q></p><p>The @CampbellLive tweet last night making it clear the debate was a news and current affairs gig and that Campbell Live had no input into the selection of panelists was interesting.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:39:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Well that’s the problem, really. She’s not exercising her rights. She’s just doing as she’s told.</q></p><p>Exclusive Brethrens don't vote either for the same reasons.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:26:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Well that's the problem, really. She's not exercising her rights. She's just doing as she's told.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:54:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p><q>Paul Henry stood for Parliament twelve years ago. I think we can find more substantive and recent reasons why he doesn’t deserve our attention, ye</q></p><p>Them too. My overall point is the out-of-stepness and tiredness of most of the commentariat. Most of them only talk to each other,  in small…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:09:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>A second-string failed candidate like Paul Henry (who was only ever a candidate because of name recognition) beggars belief as a commentator. </q></p><p>And Bryan Gould's major qualification for providing post-debate commentary on National Radio seems to be that he directed UK Labour's failed '87 election campaign.  I'm hardly surprised he…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:56:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Not there again today.Good.</q></p><p>With any luck the boys in blue have paid our old friend Mr Lhaws a visit.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:53:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						What I do not understand is why we should have to endure the political barrow-pushers as "analysts".  A second-string failed candidate like Paul Henry (who was only ever a candidate because of name recognition) beggars belief as a commentator. And he's such an obnoxious man.  I'll turn the sound off,…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:36:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>hamishm</title>
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						<p><q> Henry is the most revolting man, so that rules out TV3 for me. Shame because I like John Campbell.</q></p><p>Exactly, Hebe. Why the hell would anyone want Henry on a serious election analysis...oh, right.<br />Is Maori TV going to have a special show?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:24:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p><q>I see Paul Henry surfaced again on the TV3 panel after the leaders’ debate, and will apparently grace them with his presence on election night</q></p><p>Let's run a PA vote on the channels' proposed panels. Henry is the most revolting man, so that rules out TV3 for me. Shame because…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:18:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>bloated floater...</strong><br /><q>Last night I heard upon the tube<br />A little man who was really rude</q><br />I see Paul Henry surfaced again on the TV3 panel after the leaders' debate, and will apparently grace them with his presence on election night... Is this just Mediaworks getting their money's worth out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:59:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Not there again today.Good.</q></p><p>As I was flicking through the dial<br />I heard a man who was truly vile<br />He wasn’t there again today<br />Oh, how I wish he’d go away</p><p>When I listened to my set at three<br />The man was waiting there for me<br />But when I flicked…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:17:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Thank Jehovah ;-)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:30:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Michael Laws was off air yesterday and his radio employers would not say why.</q></p><p>Not there again today.Good.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:20:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Re people not voting. Was anyone else aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote?</q></p><p>Yes.</p><p><q>We’ve been talking alot of election politics this last couple of weeks at work, and today I asked one of our teaching students if she was going to vote (she’s 18), and she told me that…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:16:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10767808" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Michael Laws was off air yesterday and his radio employers would not say why.</a>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:36:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						and if you select some text before you click the Reply button, it gets pasted into quotes for you automagically..
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:59:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Offence? I think not! And yes, welcome back.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:59:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Hey slarty, welcome back! It's nice to see you.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:47:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<p><q>Was anyone else aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote? </q></p><p>Thank Christ for that.</p><p>(sorry for any offence, but I couldn't resist)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:29:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						Why thank you Sacha. Now I need to get used to this new "reply" button!
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:26:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>we shouldn't have had to wait five bloody years</q></p><p>Totally. Truth to power is the paid <strong>job</strong> of both media and opposition.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>NewstalkZB journo Felix Marwick defends offending those in power.</q></p><p>I thought he was a bit obtuse with his opening, though. A week of giving Key the well-deserved grilling that he's not had for the last five years doesn't mean the last five years of complaining wasn't justified.<br />One reason <em>I</em>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:15:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<p><q>Re people not voting. Was anyone else aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote?</q></p><p>The irony is, nor do the Exclusive Brethren &ndash; but that didn't stop them attempting to bad-mouth the Greens or bankrolling Brash and co in the 2005 election.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>This latest debacle, the teapot tapes (at least they are not being compared to Watergate, yet) will go down in history as one of the low points in NZ politics.</q></p><p>I'm thinking that's a short sighted view of some of the lowest parts of NZ politics.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:32:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>. . . the tendencies of mind nowadays are for protection, regression, simplicity, security and certainty.<br />  Well if you want all of these in a bunch, the best thing you can do is to become a Jehovah’s Witness. You needn’t worry a hell of a lot about your morals; when…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:09:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Re people <em>not</em> voting. Was anyone else aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote? We’ve been talking alot of election politics this last couple of weeks at work, and today I asked one of our teaching students if she was going to vote (she’s 18), and she told me that this…
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				<title>merc</title>
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						I love that article.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:25:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>NewstalkZB journo Felix Marwick <a href="http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/Decision2011-Opinion-FelixMarwick.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">defends offending</a> those in power.</p><p><q>I'm in the news business, not the law business, and if a politician says something of political significance in private but isn't prepared to front up and say it publicly then I'll call them on it every time. I'm a journalist,…</q></p>
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						<p>I asked a very pointed question and Jacinda Ardern answered it very tactfully for me. I think Labour know well where they have fallen short, and frankly look at what they are up against, Mr teleprompter...I don't accept that proposition...Key.<br />The facts on the ground don't mean much when I…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I cannot remember her exact word, I don't think it was actually structure. </q><br />Organisation?</p><p>Labour certainly has that advantage at local level. If only it were enough to win elections.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Wonder what Mikey puts on his forms under <br />occupation if it isn’t ‘Journalist’?</q><br />What no 'Social Pariah' category?<br />I'm sure he'd just write 'Ascended Luminous One'....</p>
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						<p><em>Local body politician</em></p><p>Or, if they haven't given him enough space, he could just shorten it to:</p><p><em>Dick</em></p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Tension over "Tea Gate" boiled over through Radio Live airwaves when shock jock Michael Laws told listeners to kill journalists.</q></p><p>Wonder what Mikey puts on his forms under occupation if it isn't 'Journalist'?</p><p>Talk about yer classic psychological self-hatred projection...</p>
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						In context, we were discussing my electorate. My last electorate was Epsom. I cannot remember her exact word, I don't think it was actually structure. What she said made good sense to me. Prior to Tamaki, I was in Epsom, before that Helensville &ndash; Key carpetbag land, prior to that…
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						<p><q>only Labour had the structure to take National head on</q></p><p>compared with who? did she elaborate?</p>
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						Jacinda Ardern was very diplomatic about Farrar, Key and fully up with the play. Knew the Peter Lange stance, said her blogging was hard work but that she enjoyed it. She is the real deal, her comment that only Labour had the structure to take National head on, resonated. Good…
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						I always wonder about Paul Holmes' columns in the Herald- they are just so nakedly partisan when you compare them with, say, Fran O'Sullivan.  Why doesn't he declare that he helped to media train the National leader for the 2005 election?
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						Well Key was the 'smiling assassin' and Putin is ex-KGB....!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:27:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						<q>I would bet my house that was arranged before Key would agree to appear. When Key has spent the last three years doing this – and getting away with being treated like some South Pacific Berlusconi by a compliant media – the wonder is 40%+ of New Zealanders still won’t…</q>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Just met Jacinda Ardern, what an amazing woman, I mentioned PAS (she spoke very highly of PAS and RB in particular),</q></p><p>Shoosh! People will talk.</p><p><q>we chatted, she was door knocking, great chat, wide ranging and she gave me some very informed options, which I needed.<br />What a breath of…</q></p>
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						<p>Just met Jacinda Ardern, what an amazing woman, I mentioned PAS (she spoke very highly of PAS and RB in particular), we chatted, she was door knocking, great chat, wide ranging and she gave me some very informed options, which I needed.<br />What a breath of fresh air. I go…</p>
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						<p><q>Oh, and here’s fifty nine reasons why Michael Laws needs to shut the fuck up.</p><p>That’s the number of journalists killed this year alone because of their professional activities, according to Reporters Without Frontiers.</p><p>Radio Live might want to think about that before giving a troll a live mic.</q></p><p>Yep,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:22:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>peddling misleading nonsense on stilts, with no-one willing or able to effectively call him out</q></p><p>good summary of the problem.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Where do people get their ideas from?</q></p><p>From National. Look at the success of the narrative that were it not for National being in charge right now, we'd be really in the poo. That they inherited books that were in a shocking state, and it's only by their good management…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:48:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Where do people get their ideas from?</q></p><p>Today John Key got a patsy interview with number one fan Paul Holmes, whilst Goff and Peters got Guyon Espiner.</p><p>I would bet my house that was arranged before Key would agree to appear. When Key has spent the last three years doing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:46:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Just like the woman in the paper the other day who was voting National because the other parties would cut education funding. Where do people get their ideas from?</q><br />Perhaps a politician told her so. I don't know if Christchurch-based National list MP Aaron Gilmore is representative of a class…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Where do people get their ideas from?</q></p><p>The grapevine spinners. Say it often enough.....</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:28:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Where do people get their ideas from?</q></p><p>I've been seriously wondering about that myself.</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Just like the woman in the paper the other day who was voting National because the other parties would cut education funding. Where do people get their ideas from?
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						I spotted a Facebook comment where a Key acolyte added his $0.02 to a teapot-tapes media-bashing fest with "No wonder you lot are held in worse regard by the general public than politicians". A clarification followed: "Not politicians, used-car salesmen."
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						I have to say, it's nice to see a flurry of articles in the HoS that are less-than-complimentary about Key. Some of them even question his record on <em>actually</em> answering questions about policy &ndash; over 100 approaches by RNZ have been declined by National &ndash; as opposed to his sudden…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:37:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I guess that's right, Matthew. Just more examples of people looking at Key and his cronies holding up bright and shiny promises &ndash; despite bright and shiny not being delivered on, and despite the very real probability of things getting even more dire with a second term &ndash; and being…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:37:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<q> Last night, I had a discussion with a very dear friend of mine who is a fire officer – a public service job, one would think a traditional labour stronghold and they’re on strike for pete’s sake – and he expressed great dismay at comments made by some of his…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:12:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>That’s hate speech not trolling, needs to be held to task in law.</q></p><p>I'm not so sure about that, and wouldn't even confidently say it meets any legal bar for incitement.  But as I pointed out, it has a nasty whiff when journalists are being murdered for doing their jobs.…</p>
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						We might ask who made the decision to raid the Herald on Sunday <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10767410" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">on the Monday</a> <strong>after</strong> their only remaining publication date before voting?
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						That's hate speech not trolling, needs to be held to task in law.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:29:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Annette King was the only one expecting the guy to jump.</q></p><p>I'd say a  few others in the chamber did too, hence the yelps from more than one mouth. And thank goodness the security guy and bystanders up in the viewing area stopped him.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Oh, and here's <a href="http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-barometer-journalists-killed.html?annee=2011" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">fifty nine reasons why Michael Laws needs to shut the fuck up</a>.</p><p>That's the number of journalists <strong>killed this year alone</strong> because of their professional activities, according to Reporters Without Frontiers.  </p><p>Radio Live might want to think about that before giving a troll a live mic.</p>
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						<p><q>Tension over “Tea Gate” boiled over through Radio Live airwaves when shock jock Michael Laws told listeners to kill journalists.</q></p><p>OK, so who’s laying the complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority?  Even by Laws’ easily tripped tipping point for hyperbolic twatcockery that’s…. well… <em>extreme</em>. I don’t want to engage in…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p>Yes Jackie, knowing t'other half you'll understand how he spent time last night informing people of their ignorance when comments admiring Key came up. Of course the extremely wealthy were the first to be educated. I on the other hand,drank said wealthy's wine.<br />So many say " oh he seems…</p>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10767409" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tension over "Tea Gate" boiled over through Radio Live airwaves when shock jock Michael Laws told listeners to kill journalists.</a>
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						It's fascinating to me who has been entranced by Key. Last night, I had a discussion with a very dear friend of mine who is a fire officer &ndash; a public service job, one would think a traditional labour stronghold and they're on strike for pete's sake &ndash; and he…
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						I actually watched that live at the time and it was total delayed confusion. Annette King was the only one expecting the guy to jump. The confusion seemed like a surreal situation in slow motion.  The guy was destitute. Slightly deranged or not, I understood he was at his wits…
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						<q>This could be moment to find the censored video of JK when the Guy tried to leap into the debating chamber. This was pulled from the Stuff news site before it gained legs and exposed the real John Key as a deluded, vindictive and mean spirited person. Where is this…</q>
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						<p><q>only when Nact fucks over the people will there be a change.</q><br />Yes, and the change is merely that those people will be fucked?<br />For any other result, Labour (and others) need to start making explicit lists of what they will reverse &mdash; and then actually do exactly that as…</p>
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						<p><q>Now will the other 99% of Cantabrians do anything meaningful about it at the polls,</q></p><p>Yes please. I was happy to see the march on telly tonight. I hope something shifts<br />My problem is , nobody wants to rock the boat for fear of hurting fragile feelings, then the whole…</p>
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						This could be moment to find the censored video of JK when the Guy tried to leap into the debating chamber.  This was pulled from the Stuff news site before it gained legs and exposed the real John Key as a deluded, vindictive and mean spirited person. Where is this…
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						<p>Nothing compared with the scale of <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5996494/Heritage-trust-recommendations-ignored" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sanctioned vandalism</a> in Christchurch right now. Heritage property owners whining about the cost win against Historic Places Trust experts. Swift demolition. Exactly as Gerry promised. </p><p>Now will the other 99% of Cantabrians do anything meaningful about it at the polls, or just give this…</p>
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						<p><q>Auckland’s ANZ tower’s creche being removed </q><br />a stock market creche?</p>
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						Speaking of criminal, I can't recall (your honour) which thread we were discussing it on, but Rudman has written more about Auckland's ANZ tower's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/brian-rudman-on-auckland/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502866&amp;objectid=10766896" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">creche being removed</a> but not the 5 extra floors that it bought the original developers.
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						Thought someone might have linked to this <a href="http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2011/11/teapot-tapes-poll-political-moral-suasion/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> great analysis of Joyce's motives</a> by Lew by now. Oh well, I will...
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						<p>Belatedly, on Hooton</p><p><q>I’m glad he’s being so honest,</q></p><p>“Honest” is not a word that I’d use in the same sentence as the name “Hooton”, ever.  If he ever appears to honest, its because he’s found some raw material that he’s going to process, twist and transform and distract you…</p>
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						<p>Just realised I cited the section slightly incorrectly, it’s S216A(1), part (b) of the definition of “private communication”. But that’s only a minor mistake in this context.</p><p>ETA: “interception” is also pretty broad, being defined as: <em>hear, listen to, record, monitor, acquire, or receive</em> the communication. Which pretty much makes…</p>
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						<p><q>..a `private communication'..in circumstances in which any party ought reasonably to expect that the communication may be intercepted by some other person..</q></p><p>Thanks for that, Matthew. When I go to a cafe or a restaurant I take extra care to ensure that, if I am discussing anything delicate, I do…</p>
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						<p><q>I think the past tense is appropriate, they way Key and Joyce have treated him is appalling.</q></p><p>I'm still waiting for an interviewer to invite Joyce to repeat various of his comments.</p>
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						<p><q> I am not sure what the precise point the court is being asked to rule on</q></p><p><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM329804.html#DLM329804" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">S216A(1)(a) Crimes Act 1961</a> is the precise point. Namely, that a “private communication” cannot occur __in circumstances in which any party ought reasonably to expect that the communication may be intercepted by some other…</p>
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						<p><q>Also there is a recent Supreme Court authority that says it’s not appropriate for cases where facts are disputed</q></p><p>Yes, that's true, but the facts of the case relate to Ambrose's intent. There's no dispute that Ambrose made a recording. The dispute is whether or not he intended to record…</p>
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						Just got back from Grey Lynn Park Festival where I talked to someone who knows a bit about the case. He indicated that Ambrose was* a John Key supporter, so it is unlikely that he intentional sought to record the conversation.  This also implies that Ambrose was sufficiently exercised by…
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						Rob you are absolutely correct about the evidence being plentiful it's just that in this process the evidence is only affidavit. I am not sure what the precise point the court is being asked to rule on is but if there is a conflict of evidence the kicking for touch…
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						<p>Still, you’d think many of the facts were indisputable. Lots of footage to call on, and heaps of witnesses. It’s how to interpret those facts… <br />What’s mostly in <em>dispute</em>   is the question of intention, isn’t it? <br />That’s the crux of the criminal case, but not what a judge would be…</p>
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						It's a civil procedure, without cross examination, so I am not sure the judge would be comfortable ruling in a way that may usurp a criminal investigation. Also there is a recent Supreme Court authority that says it's not appropriate for cases where facts are disputed. Having said that, it's…
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						<p><q>Interesting development, but I really doubt a civil proceeding of this kind is the appropriate procedure</q></p><p>It's entirely appropriate. The very possibility of charges being brought hinges on whether or not the chat qualifies as a "private communication" under the Act. To seek a statutory declaration is to validate or…</p>
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						<p><q>Another reason some have found the lack of a useful challenge upsetting. Unprincipled scumbags will do whatever you let them get away with the last time they tried.</q></p><p>Apart from Muldoon, there's an even more infamous example across the ditch: Sir Joh's Queensland. He ran the state for <em>19</em> years…</p>
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						<p><q>I think these set really unfortunate precedents for government behaviour we may really come to regret.</q></p><p>Another reason some have found the lack of a useful challenge upsetting. Unprincipled scumbags will do whatever you let them get away with the last time they tried.</p>
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						<p><q>Japan can’t get laws passed overnight though. It’s bicameral. </q><br />I know: but there is a provision which lets the lower house vote once again and override the upper house, which was used several times under the LDP after Koizumi. <br />The glacial speed and need for cautious consensus-building has more to…</p>
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						<p>Meanwhile, from the <em>Herald</em>:<br /><q>Despite being the one to call in the police over the teapot tapes saga, Prime Minister John Key says he has "no clue'' about their operation</q><br />There's not being good on details, and then there's abject cluelessness.</p>
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						Ergh, no edit function. The above another reason for the fatalism and low turnout, as well as any political deceit. Policitians can't just get on and sell assets or whatever or make reforms.
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						<p>Japan can't get laws passed over night though. It's bicameral.  A common complaint about politics is the slowness of any change. </p><p>Unbridled power is no joke in NZ, as we should be aware with the recent back dated authorisation of the police taping, CERA, controversial policy passed under urgency and…</p>
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						<p>well yes, we've reached a case of Craig v thread. He seems to have replied to almost every post here. </p><p>And Muldoon would have been a closer to home example. Berlusconi is innaccurate because- unless Key holds a whole whack of media shares in those blind trusts- Berlusconi really didn't…</p>
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						<p>well yes-</p><p>we've had three years of government built on personal charisma and the absence of any real journalistic pressure apart from the BBC and when it does it's time to focus on trade? Not a chance.</p><p>Key's credibility, capability, ability to handle pressure and lead our country is the…</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t if he even attempted to record audio,</q><br />Probably not, except general atmos. Because a/ who'd think they were saying anything worth recording and b/ tv folks are fussy about audio quality- a camera mic, even a good shotgun, isn't ideal to record lowish conversational voices in a noisy…</p>
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						<q>And yet there were “microphones pressed against the glass” next to the leaders hoping to pick something up. They could see them yet did nothing about stopping it, and if one of those had gotten a recording it would clearly have been intentional. The claim of privacy is effectively destroyed,…</q>
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						<p><q>It’s an interesting question though: Would FDR’s adultery and Churchill’s heavy drinking and severe depressive episodes make them both unelectable today? And would the world have been a better place if the media then was more like it is now?</q></p><p>Many Americans were unaware that FDR spent much of his…</p>
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						<p><q>I wouldn’t vote for Jim if the other candidates were Don Brash, Peter Dunne and George W Bush. Just sayin.</p><p>(ok, maybe if his only opponent was Lhaws. Think I’d go skiing on election day in that circumstance).</q></p><p>Which is of course your right and privilege, but I don't think…</p>
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						<p>I wouldn't vote for Jim if the other candidates were Don Brash, Peter Dunne and George W Bush. Just sayin.</p><p>(ok, maybe if his only opponent was Lhaws. Think I'd go skiing on election day in that circumstance).</p>
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						<p>Oh yes; in Japan there’s a general appreciation that politics is fundamentally two-faced. </p><p>(As just one specific example of what happens when people take part in any society valuing any degree of conformity. Still, as you’d expect, it translates into fatalism and very low voter turnout – often as low…</p>
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						<p><q>a <em>honne/tatemae</em> (as they would say in Japan) vote split</q></p><p>love how they have words for it</p>
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						<p><q>I wouldn’t know — I wasn’t there yet! But yeah, there was a fair bit of pragmatism (to put it mildly) floating around Wigram, and the mayoral election certainly showed that Labour’s quite happy to work with Jim.</q></p><p>Weren't you? I'd totally forgotten. But let me put it this way:…</p>
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						<p><q>You can't say the tone on the ground in Wigram wasn't, er, somewhat more pragmatic in 2008.<br /></q></p><p>I wouldn't know --- I wasn't there yet! But yeah, there was a fair bit of pragmatism (to put it mildly) floating around Wigram, and the mayoral election certainly showed that Labour's quite…</p>
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						<p><q> Labour have never gifted Jim a seat the way National have Act, and in fact pointedly didn’t keep the Alliance alive in ’02.</q></p><p>You can't say the tone on the ground in Wigram wasn't, er, somewhat more pragmatic in 2008. On the other hand, we were actually actively working to…</p>
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						Ben, I think Labour's travails with New Labour and the Alliance have cured it of the desire to establish separate parties (not that they were set up by Labour). Better to have the loose factions well managed, as I believe was the case under Helen, provide the platform for being…
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						You're implying that there is no such thing as a back room deal with that analysis. The whole thing could easily be quite carefully stage managed, with the break-away wanting to "get back to core principles" or some other such thing. They only need one policy differential, really. The point…
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						<p><q>You know, a part of me is wondering if the police are effectively saying to Key: "You wanted a criminal investigation? This is a criminal investigation."</q></p><p>On the money Mr B.</p><p>Public servants can get quite belligerent when politicians try and drag them into their cesspit. Some rocket scientist thought…</p>
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						<p><q>But Labour could easily install a far more compliant group to their left, possibly even via a bunch of independent breakaways like Anderton. They just have get with all the secret handshakes and stage managed tea parties and they’re there.</q></p><p>I don't see quite how? At least at this stage...…</p>
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						<p><q></p><p>No but they were able to rely on Anderton on the left of them in much the same way as National has relied on ACT.</p><p></q></p><p>I don't think that this is true, to be honest. Until 2002, Labour &amp; Anderton were elctorally competitive. Since '02, Labour haven't tried very hard to…</p>
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						<p><q>The comparison is perhaps more United Future.</q></p><p>Not really, they're in the middle and have gone both ways. That's not at all what I'm suggesting. ACT will never go both ways, they will always align with National. Similarly with Anderton, there was never a question of him going to National.…</p>
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						<p><q>Border crossed.</q></p><p>and like I say, the media and opposition's responses to that will tell us a lot about them.</p>
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						<p>Ah thanks, still I think this quote highlights the general tone,<br />“There are one or two people in the media that need to do a little bit of self-assessment this weekend and decide what it is they’re going to be talking about.”<br />What does this say other than, Love My…</p>
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						<p><q>they were able to rely on Anderton on the left of them in much the same way as National has relied on ACT</q></p><p>The comparison is perhaps more United Future.</p>
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						<p><q>if there wasn't so much tape of their leader</q></p><p>Quite.</p>
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						<p><q>I note Mr Goff also has memory lapses on past PM behavior, remember “corngate” and the term “little creep”</q></p><p>For sure. Clark sought to enlist and demonstrate the support of the public over the Corngate interview &mdash; most notably by eagerly passing on the "little creep" comment.</p><p>She also pursued…</p>
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						<p><q>If Labour had any oomph, they might have been running that line before now.</q></p><p>To nit-pick a little, Sacha, it's a line Labour could have run with more conviction if there wasn't so much tape of their leader being, shall we say, rather coy on the question himself.  But I…</p>
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						<p><q>Er, I hate to say it, but as far as I can tell Labour aren't running any pseudo-parties, and haven't, ever.</q></p><p>No but they were able to rely on Anderton on the left of them in much the same way as National has relied on ACT.</p><p>And my question was…</p>
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						That was discussed here at the time &ndash; and is a red herring now. The paperwork shows that Joyce actually recommended against the loan and was overruled by cabinet.
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						Joyce is a pale imitation of Muldoon.
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						<p>I fail to see how comparing the maintaince of a pseudo-party for politicial advantage to Berlusconi's maintainance of a pseudo-party for political advantage is in any way a bad comparison. It seems quite a good one. </p><p>Obviously the two things are not precisely the same; that is why it is…</p>
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						<p>Any doubts who's in charge, however, here's Mr Joyce wagging his finger at journos on Radio NZ Morning report (10 mins, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2502874/steven-joyce-says-%27teapot-tapes%27-no-problem-for-national" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">listening options</a>) for not toeing his teapot line.</p><p><q>“There are one or two people in the media that need to do a little bit of self-assessment this weekend and…</q></p>
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						Joyce is comms broadcasting total  I reckon, albeit not in name ;-) The 43 million to TV3 was signed over by Joyce no?
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						<p><q>Joyce is minister for broadcasting</q></p><p>That's Jonathan Coleman. Joyce is Communications (which is more about broader infrastructure).</p>
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						<p><q>*sigh* If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policie</q></p><p>Linger, perhaps I'm just more open to hearing them, but I thought they have been and for quite some time. </p><p>The ownourfuture theme and approach has been well thought through, the education policy was pretty…</p>
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						<p>Craig, obviously one bogus comparison justifies the tac-nuke of bogus comparisons.</p><p>L</p>
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						<p>Sacha, This teapot storm gives politicians and media another chance to show us what they're made of over the next week.</p><p>Definitely, and I would argue that that is what National do not want, Joyce is minister for broadcasting after all and the way they have behaved towards the media,…</p>
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						<p><q>If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policies.</q></p><p>Totally. Should have been doing that well for the last couple of years, but some good campaign messages. Greens seem to be connecting better.</p>
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						<p>Of course Helen Clark was not a scumbag but if she is our greatest PM I think we need a litle more time under the bridge for that judgement<br />She was less than honest on her intentions if she was not returned as PM unlike John Key who has made…</p>
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						<p>And the end of <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&amp;objectid=10766872" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">that story</a> makes really obvious that our current system amounts to a blank cheque. The checks and balances such as they are rely on a competent opposition and media motivated by sticking up for the public, not their own career prospects.</p><p><q>The National Government says it is…</q></p>
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						*sigh* If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policies. (Attacking possible Nat coalitions is too easily countered by a "Vote National, get National" line.)
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						<p>He's also alluding to the Prebble, Douglas bushwhacking of the Lange Govt with Rogernomics (not campaigned for) that Lange called a tea break from. Then Act was formed and this is it's last throw of the dice, they always have been National's other brother.<br />I think this is central to…</p>
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						<p><q>Next expect the question, “can National go into a coalition with NZF”?</q></p><p>If Labour had any oomph, they might have been running that line before now.</p>
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						<p>English <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&amp;objectid=10766872" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">misrepresenting</a> NZ's uninterrupted neoliberal economics  &ndash; and their failure &ndash; also deserves a decent challenge.</p><p><q>"The important thing isn't so much the electoral system, the lesson of the past in New Zealand is that you have to take the public along because if you don't, they ... shoot you through…</q></p>
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						<p><q>How compliant are you feeling right now, New Zealand?</q></p><p>Better practised at grabbing our ankles.</p>
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						<p><q>one of those things that people assume should be true<br />like that raising taxes or minimum wages reduces economic growth</q>or that getting tougher on crime always produces a more pleasant society.</p>
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						Shame it was in defense of equating Key with a man whose “faults” include persistent  allegations of massive and systemic tax fraud, perjury, bribery of Police and judges and collusion with organized crime.  Oh, and using his Parliamentary majority to push through law changes that just happened to kill three…
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						<p><q>But comparing John Key to Berlusconi? Really? Can anyone with even the most casual acquaintance with S.B.'s history make that equation with a straight face?</q></p><p>Wealthy businessman becomes PM? <br />More obvious than some of the long bows drawn lately.</p><p>As to his general behaviour or taste for underage women, certainly…</p>
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						Ben, I’m far from convinced by “the teapot tapes aren’t so bad” line. Key is clearly wounded by this sustained questioning of his character and when the substance is released it’ll further hurt him no matter what he says. Banks may well win Epsom but it now seems very unlikely…
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						<p><q> It seems to be one of those things that people assume should be true</q></p><p>like that raising taxes or minimum wages reduces economic growth.</p>
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						Linger the “compliant” line isn’t a quote, however it rings so true! Perhaps English is trying to be human flak for his leader?
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						<p>Steve:</p><p>No, Helen Clark isn't a scumbag.  But if we're going to throw around terms like "affront to democracy", she wasn't upfront with Labour voters or the electors of Mount Albert was she?</p><p>And, guys, you're quite right Silvio Berlusconi isn't a Stalin or a Hitler (thought his ties with…</p>
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						<p>Yes it is. The critiquing of misinformation performed by the digital media for this election has been awesome. PAS, Dean Knight, Steven Price, Stuff and the Herald and more. I think National, and Act in particular have greatly underestimated the new media territory. Some examples,<br /><a href="http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=522" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=522</a><br /><a href="http://www.laws179.co.nz/2011/11/reading-tea-leaves-declaratory-judgment.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.laws179.co.nz/2011/11/reading-tea-leaves-declaratory-judgment.html</a><br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5989843/Revealing-the-gap-between-NZs-rich-and-poor" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5989843/Revealing-the-gap-between-NZs-rich-and-poor</a><br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10766898" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10766898</a></p>
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						<p>For me, the most damaging piece of hubris is in the final paragraph:<br /><q>Mr English believed the public would be receptive or at least compliant towards further major economic reform in the next parliamentary term.</q><br />How compliant are you feeling right now, New Zealand?</p>
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						<p><q>MMP is the system that recognizes that party politics has subverted local representation since the very beginning of Westminster democracy, and actually addresses it with a proportional top up.</q></p><p>MMP entrenches parties as the prime political vehicles. In theory.</p><p><q>two former <strong>chief</strong> National party ministers</q><br />Banks would love you for…</p>
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						This thread’s spirited defence of the distinction between a randy, manipulative septuagenarian who, for all his faults, has stepped down from his role as head of government willingly and peacefully – and three of the four most brutal dictators of recent human history, plus another one who’s still in power,…
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						I think the thinly veiled point coming from our Finance minister and business leaders (ETA in this context) is that they want to be able to get on with doing business without the proles interfering no?
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						<p><q>In any fair minded country those quotes would sink the speaker, surely</q><br />Can’t see why. Unless the speaker is campaigning <em>against</em> MMP?<br />(The “hard decisions” referred to might be social policy as easily as economic. For example, raising the minimum age of eligibility for pensions: unpopular, but probably necessary in…</p>
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						<p>I don't recall seeing any research cited that proportional representation, along the lines of MMP, has ever had, as the principle factor, any demonstrable effect on economic development.  It seems to be one of those things that people assume should be true, but does not seem to be.</p><p>Exactly what…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&amp;objectid=10766872" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&amp;objectid=10766872</a><br />Standout quotes,<br />Many argued that major reforms that might be in the country's long-term interests could be blocked by coalition partners because they were unpopular.<br />"Insofar as MMP forces you to pay attention to taking the public along with you, then in the long run that may not be…</p>
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						<p><q>Actually, I don't know why Labour and National don't do this even more, if they're going to be so bloody cheeky about using this to their advantage. </q></p><p>Er, I hate to say it, but as far as I can tell Labour aren't running any pseudo-parties, and haven't, ever.</p>
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						<p>The Ipredict show (available online) has been a great resource so far for catching up with what is happening (along with the Listener*) overseas.  Pretty hard to believe that the host was barred from RNZ</p><p>*Never thought I'd be saying that!</p>
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						<q>Actually, I don't know why Labour and National don't do this even more, if they're going to be so bloody cheeky about using this to their advantage. There would be nothing lost to them to set up a new shadow party, identical in every way to their party, to stand…</q>
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						<p>Has everyone seen this?</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6bx8j4d-Y&amp;feature=share" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6bx8j4d-Y&amp;feature=share</a></p>
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						yeah &ndash; time to start using STV for voting within electorates ....
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						Actually, I don't know why Labour and National don't do this even more, if they're going to be so bloody cheeky about using this to their advantage. There would be nothing lost to them to set up a new shadow party, identical in every way to their party, to stand…
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						<p><q>"Tea Potty"</q></p><p>Why let it stop there ?</p><p>Key Potty</p>
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						Matthew Hooton on iPredict suggested he knows the Epsom voters too well (being one himself), and that on election day they will "do the dirty" (his words), and put Banks in. I couldn't tell if he was shamefaced or smugly happy about voting for someone who claimed on camera not…
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						<q>No. Berlusconi is not anywhere near close to in the same league as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, and Mugabe is quite a different kettle of fish. Berlusconi may well be sleazy, mendacious and power mad, but he has so far kept within the limits of the particular system and…</q>
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						<p><q>OK, can I propose adding Berlusconi to Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mugabe on the list of automatic failwhale comparisons to anyone in New Zealand politics?</q></p><p>No. Berlusconi is not anywhere near close to in the same league as Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, and Mugabe is quite a different…</p>
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						<p><q>OK, can I propose adding Berlusconi to Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mugabe on the list of automatic failwhale comparisons to anyone in New Zealand politics?</q></p><p>No, I am quite happy to maintain that the fictive nature of Act is similar — although, not, of course, exactly the same —…</p>
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						<p><q>If you really want to go there, three years ago was Helen Clark a fraudulent scumbag when on Election Night she not only resigned the Labour leadership but announced she would leave Parliament?  Something, by the way, she’d repeatedly denied even considering during the campaign.</q><br />Craig, sometimes people can’t see…</p>
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						<p><q>I know folks around here hate Banks even more than Key, </q></p><p>Nope. Banks is always the same. You know what you get with him.Banks is Banks Key on the other hand is the "smiling one". Like a box of  chocolates, you never know what you will get. That's what I…</p>
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						<p><q>I thought it classy but there you go.</q></p><p>So did I – pretty sad seeing Muldoon and Lange after their return to the backbenches. And let’s face it you’re not going to do your best “screw you guys, I’m going home” Cartman during a campaign. But sauce, goose, gander and…</p>
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						We should call it &ndash; "The Tea Potty Incident" or just "Tea Potty".
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						<p><q>... a man who has epically failed to meet his own 15% benchmark...</q></p><p>Hey, the election hasn't happened yet!  :)</p>
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						<p>Hang on, it would be one thing if it was Banks and Isaacs discussing rolling Brash. It would be deeply unpleasant, and enough to give anyone pause about voting for that snakepit, but basically just part of the desperate world of sub-5% minor party politics.</p><p>What makes me angry is…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>People with expertise are saying it is actually a tricky call. </q></p><p>You’re introducing nuance into this situation, shame on you!</p><p>That said, I still think that the ambiguity will likely cause the Police to determine no charge can be laid (that is if Ambrose’s own actons don’t resolve the matter).…</p>
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						<p><q>The travesty isn’t split voting, the travesty is soliciting votes for a party which you intend to radically change after people have voted for it. </q></p><p>Oh, you mean (maybe) discussing the probability of a man who has epically failed to meet his own 15% benchmark being rolled?  FFS, it would…</p>
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						<p><q> <em>Because that’s making a travesty of democracy.</em></p><p>That's actually complete self-serving bullshit. I'm going to go vote tomorrow, and probably split my vote. Key is as entitled to solicit "strategic voting" as anyone else...</q></p><p>Yeah, not what I said. See I/S' comment.</p>
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						<p><q>I’m genuinely angry about this.</q></p><p>And I'm not pleased either, but I'm pretty good at being pissed off by more than one thing at a time.</p>
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						<p><q>the travesty is soliciting votes for a party which you intend to radically change after people have voted for it</q></p><p>I guess it's ideologically consistent that private funders should be able to make their pet party do whatever they want. Just no idea why even 2% would vote for it.</p>
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						<q>That's actually complete self-serving bullshit. I'm going to go vote tomorrow, and probably split my vote. Key is as entitled to solicit "strategic voting" as anyone else (and they do), but what I do tomorrow is not a "travesty of democracy" but "exercising my democratic right, without giving a flying…</q>
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						<p><q> criminal acts seem to be increasing in the white collar banker / investment sector,</q><br />NAh, like most criminals they got complacent and sloppy over time, just took a few years more is all.</p>
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						<p><q> Because that’s making a travesty of democracy.</q></p><p>That's actually complete self-serving bullshit.  I'm going to go vote tomorrow, and probably split my vote.  Key is as entitled to solicit "strategic voting" as anyone else (and they do), but what I do tomorrow is not a "travesty of democracy" but "exercising…</p>
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						<p>[Once again, I haven’t yet caught up with the comments yet.]</p><p><q>The nuclear response began on Sunday with that psychotically aggressive press statement by Steven Joyce.</q></p><p>Another indication of Joyce being overly aggressive is his statement as if it’s fact that the taping was illegal. People with expertise are saying…</p>
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						Spot on Keir.  I'm pretty certain that if the meeting had happened in either Australia, the US or the UK the press would have released the transcript by now, either that or employed lip readers to translate.  Even Sarah Palin would blanch at calling in the police a week out…
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						<p><q>It's an interesting question though: Would FDR's adultery and Churchill's heavy drinking and severe depressive episodes make them both unelectable today? And would the world have been a better place if the media then was more like it is now?</q></p><p>Actually, I wouldn't care if Key was an adulterer, a…</p>
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						<p><strong>Robber Barrens...</strong><br /><q>As the Boomers age out of that bracket, crime rates reduce.</q><br />Though criminal acts seem to be increasing in the white collar banker / investment sector, John Key hails from those parts doesn't he?</p>
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						<p><q>don’t make their editorial judgements by accident</q></p><p>Again, true (sorry, I really don’t mean to seem patronising).  Indeed, they do it because they like a good story because it sells copy, but I don’t care if the Turing Test applies.  I don’t care what they think, if they think.  If…</p>
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						<p><q>adultery</q></p><p>Actually, as a footnote, anecdotally, to illustrate perfectly the difference between the French and the Americans, Bill Clinton’s response to accusations of adultery with Monica Lewinsky was his infamous finger-wagging “I did not have sex with that woman” whereas Francois Mitterrand, when it was revealed that he had a…</p>
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						Our political humiliation goes <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15768698" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">international</a>.
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						What I do not understand about the allegations of soap operatic-ism is that the alleged contents of the tea tapes are (a) a discussion of the future of the Act Party indicating they are a wholly owned subsidiary of National, and (b) a discussion of the electoral prospects of another…
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						Interesting development, but I really doubt a civil proceeding of this kind is the appropriate procedure. My sense is that the High Court might agree and/ or it will get spun out beyond the election. Let's see.
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						<p>Do you really believe adultery is as central to a politician's trustworthiness in office as say lying is? </p><p>Unless a politician is taking a public stance on the scanctity of marriage, it doesn't seem equivalent to more obviously political underhandedness and deceit. </p><p>This was not after all some private personal…</p>
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						I’d imagine that they’d kill their campaigns and the world would be a poorer place… if FDR and Churchill campaigned as they did then, but both were highly intelligent and charismatic people.  What sort of context would they construct about each other now, if they were around now, fully aware…
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						<p><q>It's an interesting question though: Would FDR's adultery and Churchill's heavy drinking and severe depressive episodes make them both unelectable today? And would the world have been a better place if the media then was more like it is now?</q></p><p>Yes, and yes. Many things that happened might not have…</p>
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						<p><q>All true, but democracy is messy and often good is done by accident. </q></p><p>Well, that's nice &ndash; media outlets don't make their editorial judgements by accident. That's not some airy-fairy abstraction but a simple reality I'm frankly sick of repeating.  And I'm sure everyone else is sick of listening to…</p>
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