Coffee may make you see ghosts
Stuff.co.nz | Thursday, 15 January 2009

BUZZED: Coffee may make you more likely to hear voices that aren't there, a new study says.

Drinking too much caffeine may make you hallucinate or even sense ghosts,…

but there was a mysterious dark-haired young woman with a cat who kept appearing.

If you were on acid then that was probably bad jelly the witch.

I worked as a producer trainee/director when NZBC TV split in 2, and I tell ya, what was never shown about the dogs & the sheep would've destroyed entire minds let alone brain cells...

'fraid not. Some people call it a 'people-mover' but I prefer to call it an over-sized van-thingy, which is difficult to back (witness the numerous dings!)

Hell, try backing out past those things in an ordinary car! My two year old isn't able to call out to me yet to…

or was it the sheep. and the dogs. never mind.

Are you sure you weren't fellow travelling with Russell @ Portmerion?

hell, yeah. late on a Sunday night,

After RWP...it became a big night for a while.

One of the most enjoyable days of my life was spent at Portmerion, on acid.

There goes your next American visa.

It wasn't at all crowded

It was silly crowded when we were there.…

For better or worse, McGoohan will be remembered for The Prisoner. If you ever get to Wales (Ceregion, North Wales), do pay a visit to Portmerrion--a fascinating and odd place.

One of the most enjoyable days of my life was spent at Portmerion, on acid.

We had a marvellous time…

I remember the first colour broadcast when it was repeated in, I think, the late 70s or early 80s, as having more impact.

hell, yeah. late on a Sunday night, i think. being only about 13, at first i couldn't figure out what the point was at all, but then…

For better or worse, McGoohan will be remembered for The Prisoner. If you ever get to Wales (Ceregion, North Wales), do pay a visit to Portmerrion--a fascinating and odd place.

Indeed it is, I just found the hordes a bit off putting. I expected it to be fairly sparsely inhabited…

Well your car certainly is. Something like BLT169 probably

'fraid not. Some people call it a 'people-mover' but I prefer to call it an over-sized van-thingy, which is difficult to back (witness the numerous dings!)

We have a bumper sticker "I am not a number" on our car

Well your car certainly is. Something like BLT169 probably.

Ha, I was thinking that the next time they really tapped the Khan vibe was 6, with the Klingon commander swivelling round in his chair with his eyepatch rivetted to his skull quoting Shakespeare. Brilliant.

Ah, Christopher Plummer as General Kang (I assume Kodos wanted too much money), but for…

The true awesomeness of TWoK is director/(uncredited) writer Nick Meyer — who also did the same for No. 6, and co-wrote No. 4 which is weirdly hilarious.

Ha, I was thinking that the next time they really tapped the Khan vibe was 6, with the Klingon commander swivelling round in…

Get out of my brain, Emma. Star Trek II is the campiest (and therefore most awesome) of all the films, I think.

The true awesomeness of TWoK is director/(uncredited) writer Nick Meyer — who also did the same for No. 6, and co-wrote No. 4 which is weirdly hilarious. Why…

While Wrath of Khan is a tour de force of over-acting and I love it

Get out of my brain, Emma. Star Trek II is the campiest (and therefore most awesome) of all the films, I think. Of course, my Star Trek love is based heavily on its kitsch-value, which…

. . . marvel over the astonishing man-porn of Khan's costuming.

The mullet, the mullet . . .

Truth is, I didn't know they were called mullets back then. Used to think of them as Australian rock star haircuts.

Have to give Montalban credit for resisting pressure to 'Anglicise' his name — like Martin Sheen — back in the day

Martin Sheen (born Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez) actually didn't anglicise it as much as just choose a whole new stage name. He adopted it from a Catholic Archbishop he…

"don't tell me those man-tits are real..."

While Wrath of Khan is a tour de force of over-acting and I love it, best to stick with the original Space Seed, and marvel over the astonishing man-porn of Khan's costuming. Those man-tits are real. And prominently displayed as much as possible.…

The handsome and steady-eyed Patrick McGoohan, who has died aged 80

We have a bumper sticker "I am not a number" on our car (and another "I have escaped" on our ancient caravan, which sits under a tree in our front garden) but very few get the references. Bought a…

Ricardo Montalban, too. From hell's heart, I stab at thee.

Him too? Have to give Montalban credit for resisting pressure to 'Anglicise' his name — like Martin Sheen — back in the day, and avoiding stereotypically 'Hispanic' roles as far as was humanly possible.

But I've got to admit, my…

At least we know you can't get the beer from Pak'n'Save..

I now and then get mildly jealous when I'm in other parts and I can pick up a dozen beer for sod all in a pac n'save but then I get a free first aid kit, smoke alarm and…

But I do find it ironic that people should be talking about mature adult attitudes to drinking when even some posters here have a childish approach general issue of drugs .................... and lets face it alcohol is a strong drug.

That's why I take it :) No need to piss…

The handsome and steady-eyed Patrick McGoohan, who has died aged 80, was the star, co-writer and sometimes director of one of British television's most original and challenging series of the 1960s, The Prisoner. In it, he played Number Six,…

Déclassé sure seems like a fancy word for them parts.

Sorry, I must have been channelling Gore Vidal or something. I'm westside: get me a beer and some tater tots!

this line should read

some posters here have a childish approach TO THE
general issue of drugs

Booze .............. I'm largely with ben and most of the flavors associated with…

Eve's Pantry is a franchised bakery, with tentacles that now spread far beyond the borders of Epsom.

There is an Eve's Pantry on the distinctly déclassé Lincoln Road, right next to a Burger King and a Hell Pizza. And within cooee of The Country's Biggest Pak 'n' Save!

one place you can't buy anything is ferrit.co.nz

Snuffed out by Vicks vaporub, perhaps?

However, Vicks manufacturer Procter & Gamble has slammed the study, saying it contradicts other studies and is based on limited data from tests on ferrets...

or ケーキ if you prefer.

definitely not cale. that would be john. who is cool.

organic gluten-free carrot cake

Heh. Not likely. Eve's Pantry is quite old-fashioned cakery and no doubt pitching for the leafier parts of the surrounding burbs.

one place you can't buy anything

Shades of that earlier flying pig incarnation. Best not name the next marketplace after an animal..

Hands up all those who couldn't see it coming?

Actually, I'm not sure how posh it is now, but I remember in the '90s it was a primo destination for eastern suburbs housewives.

Not terribly, with foodie fashion being what it is. Where you buy your organic gluten-free carrot cake can date faster than the impenetrably hip labels on…

What is Eve's Pantry?

It's a posh bakery/cakery. The original one is on Manukau Road near the Lido.

Actually, I'm not sure how posh it is now, but I remember in the '90s it was a primo destination for eastern suburbs housewives.

Nowadays you'll see the Eve's Pantry logo on…

And I notice that the New North Road liquor shop has an Eve's Pantry alongside – cake with yr grog, perhaps?

We were discussing this in the car. What is Eve's Pantry?

But at least they are actually different stores, and you have to leave one to go into the other. And employees in both have to know a little bit about the…

You mean like the liquor store attached to the Gull station in New North Rd?

There's one of those on Te Atatu Road as well. But somehow it's a little more unnerving to go in, pay for petrol, and buy a fifth of whisky from the same hapless clerk during…

You mean like the liquor store attached to the Gull station in New North Rd?

Oh snap. I bought beer from there once, but felt guilty enough that I went to Glengarry in Kingsland ever after.

Once the new liquor shop on Great North Road opens – and it's a…

In Louisiana you can buy hard liquor from a petrol station. (!)

You mean like the liquor store attached to the Gull station in New North Rd?

It still weirds me out a little that I can buy the hardest of spirits from smallest, meanest convenience store.

In Louisiana you can buy hard liquor from a petrol station. (!)

Jack: nope. But at numerous parties, where the tiddly menfolk would repair outside to leave the toilet for the ladies, people would comment "this is why we have such great citrus in New Zealand."

Might also explain quite a bit about New Zealand's divorce stats, and why more women are…

I was working on Friday night and gentleman who had spent a considerable amount of time consuming said beverage tried to take my head off after I refused him entry…

What did they water it with, asparagus urine?

Purely out of interest – and possibly to switch tack slightly – how many other people recall being sent outside as kids to "water the lemon tree"? That's not (much of) a euphemism, by the way – as a child I was…

See what I'm talking about.

Couldn't be clearer. Shattered to the core to have doubted you.
The gears are especially fetching.

But you where right to bow to the wheel, the almighty.

Isn't the wheel something you put your shoulder to?

The thing is, according to the wine wheel, Hawkes bay is not a key Pinot Gris region. And the Wine can't argue.

I bow to the superior wisdom of the wheel. I shall go and strip these frauds of the silver medal they got for a wine that doesn't exist.…

Me too, until I detected what I fancied was a faint undertaste of formaldehyde. Of course I have no idea of the real flavour of formaldehyde, but I'm a firm believer in the importance of imagination in most things.

Well I am more familiar with the smell of formaldehyde…

Also, did anyone else do that 'taster' experiment in high school? Of course I can't know remember what the chemical was called

Phenylketoneuria iirc.

And the Hawkes Bay does in fact grow Pinot Gris, I saw them do it!

What, before your eyes? What did they water it with, asparagus urine?

BTW is there any such thing as a wine wheel? You're either having a lend of us, or you've confused wine with…

And the Hawkes Bay does in fact grow Pinot Gris, I saw them do it!

OK, I have a 'Wine Wheel' to give away to the first PAS poster to tell me...
A: the taste and flavor of Pinot Gris
B: one of it's key growing location, (in New Zealand)
C: it's country of origin
D: it's style- Dry, sweet, white or red

And for…

Got red, green, yellow tomatoes growing here, and a previously untried variety that's claimed to be almost white. Pushing the envelope on pretension, nyer nyer.

Last summer I grew orange ones. Kinda well, the same orange as you find in the Netherland's national colours – muddy orange. They were low…

For those folk who dont appreciate single malts – each to their own. For…

...some kind of genetic protective thingy was at work.

Interesting that, Islander. If you scroll to the bottom of the Wikipedia asparagus page there's some info that suggests that you may be among the 22% with the gift of being able to smell the phenomenon of "asparagus urine".

Who knows,…

As Emma pointed it, it was coming across a bit arrogant, and you weren't paying any attention to what anyone else was saying, including people who brought those sweet, sweet data.

2 things:

1. Having an opinion about underlying causes of behavior and tastes in society is not arrogant.…

We used to have – what we kids called – an asparagus spread at Leaver Terrace. I liked the foliage (you could find mantis babies…

. . . a wellknown scientifically established fact that fern shoots are carcinogenic!

So I believe, and it's borne out by the high rate of stomach cancer in Japan, where pickled fern fiddleheads are a major delicacy. Howevah aparagus, while commonly referred to as such on account of its feathery…

There seems to be a wee bit of judgementality creeping into this thread for what is really just the diversity and uniqueness of each human brain

Tell me about it. My only motivation for even mentioning my personal (and countless other people's) distaste for alcohol was to point out that…

Therefore all you freaks that claim to like fresh tomatoes either did it to be cool, or you were sucked in by the red colour, and you've learnt to like them. Nyer.

Got red, green, yellow tomatoes growing here, and a previously untried variety that's claimed to be almost white.…

Anarchy is a great idea, until you want to interact with a world that's based around concepts of state-enforced law.

I don't an anarchy model of states…

but I'm a firm believer in the importance of imagination in most things

Me too, but very visually oriented. Which I why I won't eat anything I do not like the look of--which includes shellfish and offal. I once gagged down an oyster, for people speak of them as one…

Plus, being able to embed images (as well as Youtubes) would be nice.

Though at times I've thought it would be nice to be able to post an image or two, I think that this place is just tends to be words, is nicer.

I have just spent a rather…

If you Email me your postal address, I will loan you my VHS copy of Transfigured

Just as well I was wrong eh? Really, I've seen enough Canadian art animation for one lifetime.

To be fair to Stephen X. Arthur, though, he doesn't seem to have succumbed to setting his…

The conspiracy theory about John D. Rockefeller manipulating the american temperance movement has been debunked.

You mean Jon D. was such a lousy cross-dresser that no-one was fooled? (That'll be him snuggling up to the one in the centre with the interesting hat. What do I win?)

I used to love Fry's Turkish Delight, now I can't stomach it.

Me too, until I detected what I fancied was a faint undertaste of formaldehyde. Of course I have no idea of the real flavour of formaldehyde, but I'm a firm believer in the importance of imagination in…

And there are some interesting new provisions which allow territorial authorities to make, in consultation with their community, legally enforceable local alcohol plans. Local licensing decisions will then have to be made in accordance with the local plan.

That would be mightly welcome to the communities I've seen who have…

Plus, being able to embed images (as well as Youtubes) would be nice.

For what is worth, I'd be against that – nothing worse than taking forever to load a forum page because it's full of pictures. Not having flash, I don't even load the embedded youtube pictures and I…

Plus, being able to embed images (as well as Youtubes)…

Stewart, how about you produce one child who did like alcohol from the first nip.

That would be me, aged 8 or 9. Heard to observe that it was delicious, also that I liked the nice warm feeling inside.

it seems I'm capable of giving the impression of being hairy-chested, even if I'm not.

Hey, me too!

Also, did anyone else do that 'taster' experiment in high school? Of course I can't know remember what the chemical was called, but my beloved biology teacher went round and gave us…

My missus was on medication that had dry mouth as a side effect, she swore by, and I made them endlessly, lime, lemonade and bitters. The lime for acidity (helped by the bubbles in the lemonade) and the bitters add astringency.

Thanks Peter — most informative. This seem to be…

Ha! what is going on with the italics? I took extra special care at checking that I'd left a space after the second dash, of the word I was attempting to italic.

Just put two spaces after the italics.

People talk about how wonderfully thirst quenching beer is. But there is no way on earth it really is as thirst quenching as something actually designed for rehydration, like maybe water mixed with glucose and salt

There speaks a man who has never had to neck oral rehydration…

Joe, you wowser. Can't you handle your turps or something?

Sssh! A gallery mislabelled an item of mine as being oil a while back, so it seems I'm capable of giving the impression of being hairy-chested, even if I'm not. This is what comes of spilling one's guts on the…

. . . when I paint, I use the good oil. Just to be straight.

Strictly acrylics here, tho I wouldn't drink the stuff.

Random observations: loxodonts seek out over-ripe fruits (of several kinds) because they appreciate both the taste & the effects. Asian elephants will raid villages that have breweries.

Small children within my whanau will sip light beer and smack their lips with gusto. My neighbour's…

I have an acquaintance* who believes she and her husband model responsible drinking by never drinking at all.

Not drinking is fine if done in moderation, I say.

Wikipedia sez:

A supertaster is a person who experiences the sense of taste with far greater intensity than average. Among…

I have an acquaintance* who believes she and her husband model responsible drinking by never drinking at all.

It's fine to model not drinking as a valid choice but seems counter-productive to model that as the only way to handle alcohol. Worse still, I suspect, are the people who imbibe…

We have a another dog, a dacshund, who licks toads and then staggers around the garden in a haze before lying in corner for 12 hours of so with a sore head.

Doggy may be smarter than you give her credit for.

While stories of smoking cane toad skins in…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10551185

My great granddad drank himself to death when he was one hundred years old. he might have lived to one hundred and three or four. Tragic really.

A sobering lesson for us all.

the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text

I noticed earlier it doesn't work if you copy someone else's already-quoted text.

But I discovered another tasty glitch just now – same quote as above, with italics applied to the last two words:

the italic formatting no longer works in…

It isn't law yet; it's still only a Bill!

Sorry, James. I thought you were describing something that had already been done.

Ha! what is going on with the italics?

I've asked Matt to look at it. I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.

Italics formatting works in quoted text if there is something between the ">" and the double underscore (e.g. a space or carriage…

I just hope Emma isn't too upset.

She's staunch as.

True. I'm over it. Thanks for the concern, but.

I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.

Except that it does in preview. WTF?

Ha! what is going on with the italics?

I've asked Matt to look at it. I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.

Which seems to have had little impact on the way most local licensing decisions are still made.

It isn't law yet; it's still only a Bill!

And there are some interesting new provisions which allow territorial authorities to make, in consultation with their community, legally enforceable local alcohol plans. Local…

it was a very robust and evidence-based policy process

Which seems to have had little impact on the way most local licensing decisions are still made.

The patter on Mac's bottles, perhaps. Over at Speight's they still haven't mastered the difference between its and it's.

You know, it's funny that you should mention that. For bloody years the Mac's back label was a grammatical atrocity, with "its and it's" and more.

Things only improved after Lion…

The evidence is very clear... the best way to reduce alcohol related harm is to reduce the number of outlets selling alcohol in a community.

Got references?

Escobado and Ortiz:

__This study used an ecologic design based on data from 1990 to 1994 gathered from forensic, vital statistic,…

[S]tudies by the Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth (CAMY) have found that advertising placements for alcopops are often placed on programming and in publications more likely to be seen by youth…

And the flashing lights also count. I'm told Playstation is useful for various kinds…

The LA times with a story on alcohol free wine.
this quote fits with my experience

After swirling, sniffing and spitting, the testers concluded that the primary thing these wines…

I just hope Emma isn't too upset.

She's staunch as.

Alcopops are crap, they don't have the requisite adult sophistication to bring about positive drinking habits. In other words Alcopops encourage childish drinking behavior.

Is that sort of how it work?

Yeah, and they're intended that way. Studies of alcohol advertising show that they're disproportionately marketed at adolescents and have…

And that Alcopops are crap, they don't have the requisite adult sophistication to bring about positive drinking habits. In other words Alcopops encourage childish drinking behavior.

See James' really rather excellent quote:

Alcopops are to alcoholic beverages what pokies are to gambling. They're optimised for suboptimal use.

There's evidence that…

Nah it was too hot to do real work and it's a light-hearted subject to ran.. er discuss.

True that. It's now 5pm Friday. I'll have to deeply introspect about my motives if I end up having a beer with my colleagues before I go home ;)

It isa funny thing to have such a long argument about though

Nah it was too hot to do real work and it's a light-hearted subject to ran.. er discuss.

You did head the blog up as conversation starters and like many conversations it wandered a little :).

I just…

On the other hand pokies are straight gambling (and are very behaviourally tuned to resist extinction/stopping), alcopops are straight drunking

Drinking/drunking, nice. What I remember thinking the first time I saw the Ed Byrne skit, and it applies to Ben's argument as well, is that it would have gone down…

Is that sort of how it work?

Pretty much. It would be a major achievement if we as a society made it to that point. To further spell out the thing on alcopops.
People sometimes play poker for whole experience of playing poker, including the social element etc. People sometimes…

The patter on beer labels really is getting more stylish.

The patter on Mac's bottles, perhaps. Over at Speight's they still haven't mastered the difference between its and it's.

politics, anyone?

Another 15 rounds on Bakunin and his crazy ideas, Russell? I might just have to reassure myself beforehand that…

Alcohol is in fact, a solvent
So is water. Your point is?
Are solvents a new target of chemicalism – if it dissolves stuff it must be bad. (Almost all liquids are solvents for something, either polar or non-polar).

My points are.
Ethanol extracts flavour compounds from grape skins, hops…

You kicked off by declaring "I drink alcohol to get drunk. The taste of the stuff is disgusting, as is usually the case with toxins." And then went on to generalise from you own experience that "the only training of the taste buds that goes on with alcohol is…

Oh Bart, you romantic dawg you. I bet they just swoon in your arms, don't they?

Only one :)

And that is plenty :)

Simon, it is entirely possible that I have associated by pure chance with only the children who don't like alcohol my whole life.

Taste and smell are both strongly coded for in your genes (whereas vision, surprisingly, it not). Thus, it's entirely possibly that people's experiences are influenced by hanging…

I have seen people theorise that the rise of the British empire was due to getting at tea and/or coffee early, meaning that they had a safe liquid to drink that didn't make them drunk all the time.

In eighteenth-century England, coffee was seen as a utopian drink. The idea…

I don't really think the source of the taste is particularly important. My only real motivation for raising the natural distaste for alcohol is simply in response to a number of comments people have made about how…

He vomited most of it up, but still looked pretty ropey for a few days.

We have a another dog, a dacshund, who licks toads and then staggers around the garden in a haze before lying in corner for 12 hours of so with a sore head. She also tries…

Having your reflexes slowed even a little bit in nature can be harmful. Why is it that no other animal will drink it unless it's been watered down, or added to something they really want to eat or drink?

Actually, a certain level of tipsiness actually facilitates co-ordination in humans.…

And no, Daniel, I haven't given any children alcohol (well, ok, 16 is technically a child). But I've observed them asking for it off their parents over the 37 years I've been alive and I've never yet seen a taker, with the exception of extremely sweet alcohol.

I tried Lambrusco,…

I don't think that outlawing tea or test match cricket or the Winter Garden would suddenly make those things terribly sexy and desirable. People get drunk because they want to get drunk, largely.

In Muslim Java bands are apt to chant 'alcohol..alcohol..alcohol' with the kids as a rough equivalent to…

I have seen people theorise that the rise of the British empire was due to getting at tea and/or coffee early, meaning that they had a safe liquid to drink that didn't make them drunk all the time.

Interesting theory. Wait, did I write 'interesting'? I meant "for crying out…

Thus those humans that laced their water with alcohol (thus killing nasty bacteria, worms etc) were less likely to succumb to disease and more likely to breed.

I have seen people theorise that the rise of the British empire was due to getting at tea and/or coffee early, meaning that…

I'm really not the argumentative type...

I've just said some tastes are trained, alcohol being one of them. It's really a small point and I'm surprised you're disputing it.

Except the entire crux of your argument is that ethanol tastes bad, and that people habituate to the flavour. Except that ethanol doesn't taste bad for a…

Calm down, and quit it with the faux outrage.

Ben, I'm not going to continue to argue with you. But if you believe nothing else I've said today, please believe that I would never fake being angry on a PA comments thread. If I'm ever caught doing that Russell can…

Ben,

it's your argument to & so up to you to provide evidence (other than the anecdotal stuff proffered thus far).

I'm not sure who died and made you God of who has to supply evidence. This is not a courtroom. A well formed case has a negative and an…

The evidence is very clear... the best way to reduce alcohol related harm is to reduce the number of outlets selling alcohol in a community.

Got references?

Westies seem to be some of the biggest piss artists around, despite the King Dicks liquor monopoly. I don't believe that, if you…

Also, there's a "fun" case you come across early in one's law degree which explains that if you can't physically get drunk off something (e.g. a low alcohol beer you'd need to drink a physically impossible amount to get drunk) then it isn't covered by licensing laws

Must have been…

Don't know how to embed, so here's the link

The wonders of PA System :-)

Only humans will persist with it, and then only adults, who have trained inhibitions that they would like to lose.
...
tell that to dogs

We used to have a shih tzu who would beg for beer cans at the dinner table. If you gave him one he'd carefully lie…

Alcohol is in fact, a solvent

So is water. Your point is?

Are solvents a new target of chemicalism – if it dissolves stuff it must be bad. (Almost all liquids are solvents for something, either polar or non-polar).

Yup, so what?

Because that would mean they have different tastes from me.

Again, so what? What bearing does that have on what we were talking about? I have never denied people have different tastes. I've just said some tastes are trained, alcohol being one of them. It's really a…

Of course it isn't. You said people only like alcoholic beverages because of the alcohol, because they're intoxicating. Ergo, by your reasoning, the more alcoholic something is, the more they should like it. This clearly isn't the case.

Nor did I say it. There's no ergo, and it is…

Or making them look/smell nicer?

Oh Bart, you romantic dawg you. I bet they just swoon in your arms, don't they?

Nothing to do with getting their women drunk, then?

In Egypt at least, brewing was women's work, just like baking bread. So yes, probably for getting women drunk.

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Nothing to do with getting their women drunk, then?

Or making them look/smell nicer?

Only humans will persist with it, and then only adults, who have trained inhibitions that they would like to lose.

tell that to dogs, most especially my Anjing Kampong (english: Bali Dog) who is likely to take a quick lick out of my beer glass if I'm not looking. Never…

Thus those humans that laced their water with alcohol (thus killing nasty bacteria, worms etc) were less likely to succumb to disease and more likely to breed.

Nothing to do with getting their women drunk, then?

I did pretty well in chemistry in my day too :-)

Sorry Graeme, that came out sounding much more arrogant than intended.

Both are polar solvents. Ethanol does extract a whole lot more compounds from the grape skins than water. And when you remove ethanol from the wine you tend…

Ed, I see you're drinking again. What's the special occasion? I was sober.

Heh. :)

had my sexuality called 'disordered'

What?

You didn't make the bed afterwards??