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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Not mislaid, lost. Permanently. Long ago.</q></p><p>Or should that be 'willingly thrown out'?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Elsewhere, The Guardian's Deborah Orr has a  <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/26/why-such-outrage-porn-filters" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">spectacularly clueless, patronizing column</a> (h/t Emma) that seems to have escaped from the <em>Daily Mail</em>.</p><p><q>Louise Mensch, the former conservative MP, bless her heart, has voiced her worry that the possible banning of rape simulation footage will ruin the fun of half of…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:22:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Ms. Naughty has a post on Tumblr’s pornocalypse, from the point of view of a commercial pornographer who’s just started using Tumblr and finds it… problematic.</q></p><p>And she has a point – I hadn’t even thought about 2557 records. But I don’t think a Ms. Naughty Tumblr with links back…</p>
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				<title>wendyf</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:57:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>steve black</title>
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						<p>Depression...</p><p>Good question. Perhaps because of its association with weather forecasts? That makes as much sense as everything else I've seen among those who would save humanity from biology...themselves...whatever. </p><p>The serious answer (read guess)  is that there might be a statistical association between the presence of depression as a tag…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:59:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>wendyf</title>
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						Why is depression on the list?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:43:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Buy polar?</strong><br /><q>Nope. Just swallowed a magnet and now, no matter which way they turn, their compass points up their arse.</q><br />Aaaah! that explains why we have 'pole-ing booths'...</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>their dirty mags. There's only hundreds of millions of those floating around in the UK already.</q> </p><p>They tend to grow well in their traditional cultivation areas of patches of woodland and abandoned buildings.  This years crop has been especially strong, probably due to the hot summer weather.</p>
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						<p>Loosely related: <a href="http://monsterpictures.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/NZIFF-Maniac_Media-Release-24-July1.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">censorship a little closer to home</a>:</p><p><q>“The OFLC decision says that the film may be ‘injurious to the public good’ if it goes out on a wider release. It’s saying that the POV nature of the film mixed with the psychopathic behaviour of actor Elijah Wood is more…</q></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>apart from protecting technologically illiterate middle-aged people from hardcore porn</q></p><p>Except they can just watch their DVDs and old videos, and Super 8s, and read their dirty mags. There's only hundreds of millions of those floating around in the UK already.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 00:55:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>The British approach to porn is just fucking hopeless.</q></p><p>Steady chaps. Emotional female in the area. Appears to be on the verge of ranting.  Hold steady, don't make eye contact. Twirl mustache and stare at curtains, and on my command, Repress! Repress! Repress!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Coca Cola doesn't want to be set down beside penetration close-ups, no matter how they're curated.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiMw1Q65d4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiMw1Q65d4</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:34:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Konrad Kurta</title>
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						If you figure out what a 'proxy' is, then you can watch all the overseas-hosted content you want while bypassing filters altogether. Ironically, the people most likely to figure it out are the generation that David Cameron would claim to be protecting. Basically, this bill will be most effective in…
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair, they’re not all total hypocrites: </q></p><p>This guy <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8962654/Anti-Weiner-sentiment-grows " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Weiner</a> is doing a pretty good job of being one.</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p><q>what conservative doesn’t hate other people having porn?</q>To be fair, they're not all total hypocrites: <br />some of them hate themselves for having porn, too.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What conservative doesn’t hate porn!”</q></p><p>Heh. More accurately, what conservative doesn't hate other people having porn?</p>
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				<title>Matthew Smith</title>
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						Politically this feels to me like David Cameron is trying to rebuild his conservatism cred after the marriage equality vote. "Sure I pushed through marriage equality but LOOK! I'm still a conservative. I'm cracking down on porn! What conservative doesn't hate porn!"
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						I will note that one way some people in the U.S. are trying to defend against porn copyright trolls is with the claim porn in the U.S. is not copyrightable.  Some claim this is not an entirely settled point.
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				<title>Richard Le Gros</title>
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						I suggest reading <a href="http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2013/07/24/cameron-porn-advisors-website-hacked-threatenslibels-blogger/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this blog post</a> to get an insight into how poorly the British Government understand the technicalities of what they're trying to introduce. It seems that the MP behind this filtering proposal has had a run-in on twitter with a British political blogger &ndash; hilarity ensues.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>Tumblr did, a year or two ago, restrict its terms in order to shut down pro-anorexia and pro-selfharm sites</q></p><p>Which presumably were put there by people who believe that anorexia or cutting themselves are valid forms of self-expression. They do not, I notice, suppress anti-vax sites which are probably a…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>What’s clear about this is that Yahoo is tidying up Tumblr so it can be accessible to advertisers, who want clean brand associations. Coca Cola doesn’t want to be set down beside penetration close-ups, no matter how they’re curated. </q></p><p>But there may well be advertisers who don't mind so much…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>Some seem to have mislaid their moral compasses, as evidenced by the GCSB bill. :)</q></p><p>Nope. Just swallowed a magnet and now, no matter which way they turn, their compass points up their arse.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>My mind’s in the gutter.</q></p><p>Mine must be in the sewer. I read hover as hoover.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Emma, I read ENTITLED to, then six inches. My mind's in the gutter.</p><p>We're shifting our standards rather rapidly, and some people will always be on the forefront. That's clear enough to me. What's clear about this is that Yahoo is tidying up Tumblr so it can be accessible to…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>But the other part to this is the technology just shifts too fast to make any such system viable</q></p><p>Mitch Benn had a great tweet on this:</p><p><q>The government may be ENTITLED to close down porn traffic. I'm ENTITLED to hover six inches above the ground and I can't do…</q></p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> banality of politicians who want to be seen as our moral protectors.</q></p><p>The moral protectors dial is set at, oh shit, 1950 sumthing? I dont know pick a date when humanity were obsessed with being prudish, backward looking, missionary positioned. I cant help but laff OUT LOUD.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Call that a porn post? pfft I didn't even have to look up any new words!</p><p>It seems like there are lots of different pieces to this, foremost is the politician pretending to have morals. You get the same from numerous editorials. All supposing that some external morality should apply…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Not mislaid, lost. Permanently. Long ago.</q></p><p>Lost in the way that a dog loses its bones sometimes. And roughly the same level of amusing when they go to bury a fresh one in the same place and then get all confused about what to do when they find the old…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Some seem to have mislaid their moral compasses, as evidenced by the GCSB bill. :)</q></p><p>Not mislaid, lost. Permanently. Long ago.</p>
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>the tumblr problem sounds just like the flickr problem, once flickr became a yahoo thingy. Because yahoo operates under multiple jurisdictions the rules for say geman flickr users are different from american and terms of service for all users changed and oh wow what a mess.</p><p>i feel extremely sorry…</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p><q>the banality of politicians who want to be seen as our moral protectors.</p><p>Given that politicians generally seem to have a moral compass more appropriate to members of the mustelid family than to homo sapiens, you have to wonder what credibility they have to be our moral protectors.</q></p><p>Some seem…</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I think we're all in the same boat then! <a href="http://www.themarysue.com/tumblr-porn-problem/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jill Pantozzi over at The Mary Sue</a> has a crack at summarizing what happened, along with Tumblr's official response.
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				<title>Tim Darlington</title>
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						<p><em>the banality of politicians who want to be seen as our moral protectors.</em></p><p>Given that politicians generally seem to have a moral compass more appropriate to members of the mustelid family than to homo sapiens, you have to wonder what credibility they have to be our moral protectors.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Thank you. I'm even more confused now.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I think Yahoo/Tumblr’s biggest risk is if they’re taken to task for the huge amounts of copyrighted material they host. While they do have some talented content producers, the vast majority of their sites rely mostly or exclusively on work from elsewhere. With porn, that’s especially so. </q></p><p>Indeed. Otoh, there's…</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>The Tumblr thing was interesting, and as with most "official" changes on Tumblr, it wasn't announced in advance or (clearly) explained afterwards. </p><p>It's not that posts with those tags were blocked per se, but that a person browsing those specific tags could only see posts on their own blogs and…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						I think Yahoo/Tumblr’s biggest risk is if they’re taken to task for the huge amounts of copyrighted material they host. While they do have some talented content producers, the vast majority of their sites rely mostly or exclusively on work from elsewhere. With porn, that’s especially so. The users have…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:27:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>Ms. Naughty has a post on <a href="http://www.msnaughty.com/blog/2013/07/22/tumblr-reverses-its-pornocalypse-for-now/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tumblr's pornocalypse</a>, from the point of view of a commercial pornographer who's just started using Tumblr and finds it... problematic. </p><p><q>The problem is this: in creating the Tumblr for Bright Desire, am I being “spammy”? Am I “not-so-nice”? I’m not putting affiliate links on…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:27:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>A mandatory family-friendly filter would almost certainly take out the websites of two of his biggest backers in the media.</q></p><p>Which I don't actually give a breast-implant full of whatevs about, to be honest, but here's the question that comes up every damn time some politician goes on a Luddite…</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p><q>It hasn’t taken long for Cameron to jam things into reverse and declare that his filter wouldn’t block"soft” porn (while remaining hopelessly unclear about what it would block) but what’s remarkable is that he genuinely doesn’t appear to have thought through any of it before making his announcement</q></p><p>ROFL! Thanks,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:15:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:15:03 +1200</pubDate>
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