Not sure of your point, other than i can discern it consists of an angry ball of resentment bundled up in a permanent red mist of outrage, so sorry about that.

It would be even better if it wasn't coming from people who sneer at those who have spend an awful lot of time listening to Trump and his supporters because they don't have a lot of choice in the matter.

I get that we live in a…

I absolutely agree that finding common ground and a way to communicate that cuts through is crucial.

I absolutely disagree that they are currently going about it the right…

Yes Andin, toxic masculinity.

I'm sure they're out there.

Toxic culture more like. But the US isnt the only example of this.
Where are those other worldly therapy sessions held now?
We've got a basket case here. Can we book an emergency session?
If there was a path we were supposed to follow, this isnt…

A good interview

But to connect it to the conversation about white privilege, I think it’s always important to note that there are obviously still advantages to being white, there are still disadvantages to being black, even when…

Ideology

Essentially talking to Germans of that era they voted for a completely inexperienced extremely radical leader because he wasn't a…

I was just reading that, in parts reminiscent of the approach Lynn was proposing over the page.

David Leonhardt recently recommended this David Frum article which is also very interesting.

More apocalyptic language!

They wooed a candidate the Maori Party was also trying to woo. That's…

I fully admit to reading this twice before I realised you meant the Fairfax machine.

That’s fair enough Katharine, Willie Jackson’s worst excesses are representative of many and his best attributes are what single him out. He certainly didn’t select himself for a place up the list of our oldest political party three years after…

I doubt it, the only urban Maori his organ has any consistent interest in are rugby players, corpses or referred to as "the defendant."

Gay crimes to be pardoned as historic sex convictions for homosexual offences are to be wiped

Vs

Grant Robertson: “I’m never going to apologise for being who I am”

He is the equivalent of the proverbial 14 point intercept try; he will attract the votes of young urban Maori and "Shane Jones Maori" to the party while denying the Maori Party one of its flagship…

Accomplishing this is by slapping rape victims in the crotch? I strongly suspect their vision for our country. Who backs the rapists?

Timing is everything.

Yes Emma, vividly, I took notes::

"So we need to understand – rather than spend months agonising about the race/gender mix of your party list spend time developing policies that appeal to th broad range of the population…

... to the homophobic rape apologist demographic ...

Fixed that for you.

Yeah, I mean, Poto Williams, what would a sitting Labour MP who's enormously popular in her working-class electorate know about Labour's base?

Of course, she also spoke at the Women's March in Christchurch, which I'm sure…

Would you expand ?

Widen it’s appeal to slut-shamers, victimisers, RadioLive listeners, misogynists and Tom.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/putin-approves-change-to-law-decriminalising-domestic-violence

Trump: "Some of my best friends are Russian..."

I felt she made the biggest political blunder at such a crucial point in the history of US political struggle -…

I’m sorry FG, I missed the inference – I appreciated the intellectual honesty of Dr Porter’s conclusion.

I had always been confused with the growing gulf in social/ethical attitudes between myself…

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/02/06/20170208_tolerant.jpg

Churchill's one previous meeting with Roosevelt, held in virtual secrecy in August of 1941 at the interestingly named Placentia Bay, Newfoundland, was rather less the stuff of hagiography. After braving the u-boat infested North Atlantic aboard the HMS __Prince…

Let's assume for the moment that I accept your argument.

Can you provide an example of an article on The Guardian that meets this goal?

I'm not saying they aren't there, but the number…

Yep , the Great White Fleet was just a bunch of guys out for a bit of sailing :-)

I treasure that line from Sacha :- "one untips one's hat".

As Lynn says above :-

"At some point we have to stop being lawyerly and stop replying to every single unsubstantiated claim. Instead we need to ask why some people are still listening to […

British And American ‘Imperialisms’ Compared

Nowadays it is also backed up by a new kind of historicism: the idea that modern America exemplifies the ‘end’ of history – that is, its final destination (Francis Fukuyama); and, powerfully, by…

Trumpsters and other alt-Reich fellas…

Lest we forget that Kurt Schlichter outdid himself when he pulled a Godwin on pro-Obama/Kerry Jews, and the Auschwitz Memorial called bollocks on him.

As Jonathan Freedland notes in another column in the same paper, it ironically falls now to liberals to do what used to be the job of conservatives: to defend order.

As I’ve said to you many many times, Russell, I haven’t considered the GOP (or most of their supporters) anything…

Well, as Russell's post just above this points out, there is less-than-zero effort to do the same on the other side. There is a constant attempt, not to find balance, but to pull the entire centre of gravity as far to the right as…

Domestically, marginal MSM* opinion makers are flaunting more alarmist doctrine, both on the left

"Donnie Darko makes George W. Bush and his war on Iraq look like a mere skirmish."

and the right.

"Liberal feminazi doctrine considers the notion of being pro-women and pro-life as…

just the sort of introspective tosh which will infuriate any Trump supporter

In short he wont/cant sort out his personal problems – he doesnt think he has any anyway- so he going to inflict them on everyone else. Who seem to lap it…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybq6vRAwe0g

America’s growing political and cultural divisions have finally split the United States apart. Now, as the former blue states begin to collapse under the dead weight of their politically correct tyranny, a lethal operative haunted by his violent past undertakes one last mission…

To be fair, Schlicter seems to truck in little but this sort of polemic. Recent titles over his work:

Can Creepy Leftist Weirdos Create A Progressive Tea Party?

America To The Liberal Elite: “New Phone – Who…

Also so many weekend political pundits over the years have called on…

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/on-trump-keep-it-simple-in-5-points

As an aside, I was watching the Prime 'Beatles' history of rock doco last night. I actually was at the 1965 Shea Stadium appearance by them (you can't say concert, cause you couldn't hear anything). But it reminded me of the John Lennon 'Jesus'…

That's putting it mildly. The invective is stepping up, more than a notch:-

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/06/the-left-hates-you-act-accordingly-n2281602?utm_source=TopBreakingNewsCarousel&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingNewsCarousel

Based on anonymous accounts from government officials, congressional aides and other insiders, the Times reveals that the Trump administration is reconsidering its strategies in the wake of a tough couple of weeks.

And then proceeded to explain:

Here are five of…

Wait, isn't that a good thing? It is a self-awareness that acknowledges in the very recent past, they were not receptive to the full spectrum of opinions…

...Mexican citizens legally cross the border to work in the US every day
I'm guessing they are busy taking jobs that by rights should be filled by Americans, right?

Yep, that's me. I'll move back eventually, but I can't afford a $,$$$ trip every 3 years. Interestingly the May govt have been making noises about scrapping the UK 15 year rule and…

Yes. I feel exactly the same way.

This from a longer piece Against Normalization: The Lesson of the “Munich Post” By Ron Rosenbaum

Democracy destroying itself democratically. By…

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/06/senate-leader-half-of-my-family-eligible-for-deportation-under-trump-order/

I agree – it's the right focus.

And when Gareth Morgan launched TOP, I was hoping for the tax and welfare reform put forward in the Big Kahuna – which included a UBI and a glorious end…

Yes, I've spent a lot of time in San Diego. A huge workforce of…

One thing that's…

I’m one of those experiencing genuine economic anxiety – as opposed…

The Guardian has been repeatedly doing this type of thing recently. They seem to have some sort of recently-implemented, ill-thought-out, half-baked limp-wristed kumbaya editoral thought process about bursting the liberal bubble, meeting-in-the-middle, or whatever. It's starting to get extremely annoying.

Had to vent.

Then there's this thought...
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/06/obama-wheres-trumps-birth-certificate-way/

Much encouragement for many decades ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qev-i9-VKlY

lol – I meant "heel".

Yeah but seriously I, well, I cant find the words to describe how I am about how such a large…

What they anticipate and what they get are unlikely to be the same.

but I see some similarities to the Florentine monk Savonarola – placed in power by the Medicis who he then turned on, but was himself eventually burnt to death.

I was going on this:

A lot happened in the 2016 campaign, but one of the things Donald Trump did to win the election was shift to the left on a number of key issues…

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/trump-tells-drugmakers-he-wants-them-to-manufacture-in-the-us.html

He's right that the American public health system (government) pays more for American manufactured drugs than many foreign governments – NZ being a prime example (and if his advisors are worth anything,…

Yes. But then they happily wave through the tens of billions to be wasted on The Wall.

That…

It's an inability to accept being wrong.…