Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Budget 2017: How do we get out of here? https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373079#post373079 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373079#post373079 Relevant: at The Spinoff Gareth Shute talks to Dr David Galler about health, housing and the current "chaos of social policies".

Wonderful piece.

"they just piss around at the margins and it will ultimately be really ineffective in dealing with the big issues"

tell us what you really think :)

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 15:38:39 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373078#post373078 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373078#post373078 And having mentioned Ms Swarbrick, one has to look at the young women at the top of The Green party list and think maybe this party is going to bring something different to the beehive.

Perhaps even policies guided by a longer term vision than simply protecting the earnings of…

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 15:35:31 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373077#post373077 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373077#post373077 And these ideas are hard to get into sound-bites so aspiring politicians are less likely to 'perform' well in the media

That is an interesting point and something of a dogma.

I agree that for the last two decades or so "the media" has meant TV broadcast at 6 pm…

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 15:31:30 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373075#post373075 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373075#post373075 By other machines.

Yes, and also people. Lots and lots of people.

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 15:02:12 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373074#post373074 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373074#post373074 I think that left parties are much better at the strategic visioning policy thing that David mentions here, but they aren't often in government to implement them. And these ideas are hard to get into sound-bites so aspiring politicians are less likely to 'perform' well in the media, and so… ]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 14:33:07 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373073#post373073 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373073#post373073 That software all still has to be written.

By other machines.

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 12:37:54 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373072#post373072 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373072#post373072 https://www.soulmachines.com/ ]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 12:34:35 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373071#post373071 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373071#post373071 Wed, 31 May 2017 12:30:33 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373070#post373070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373070#post373070 Big data will wipe those jobs out as well.

Eventually. That software all still has to be written. Doing that is a colossal undertaking. What we don't have a good model for, at least not a progressive model, is how to manage that transition. If people were housed and fed…

]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 11:55:48 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373066#post373066 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373066#post373066 Wed, 31 May 2017 09:56:13 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373065#post373065 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373065#post373065 Gareth Shute talks to Dr David Galler about health, housing and the current "chaos of social policies". ]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 09:23:49 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373064#post373064 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373064#post373064 Wed, 31 May 2017 07:52:40 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373062#post373062 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373062#post373062 ...when you get your groceries you’ll be pleasantly surprised it includes a light bulb for the one that just popped in the kitchen because the big data noticed when auto-analysing your line for power fluctuations a type of fluctuation that with a 99.85% probability indicated an immanent light bulb failure… ]]> Wed, 31 May 2017 07:20:20 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373052#post373052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373052#post373052 Tue, 30 May 2017 19:58:02 +1200 Neil https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373032#post373032 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373032#post373032 The question is, “why would that be a bad thing?”

I was suggesting it wasn't a bad thing – contra Russell's post suggesting a clear distinction between subsidies and more conventional govt welfare spending.

]]> Tue, 30 May 2017 12:01:14 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373030#post373030 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373030#post373030 Any form of wealth redistribution by the State can be viewed as a subsidy. The State paying for the building of social housing is subsidising building companies and the employers of those who will either rent or buy those homes. Free GP visits are a subsidy to GPs.

That doesn't…

]]> Tue, 30 May 2017 09:43:33 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373020#post373020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373020#post373020 And planning ahead is continually made more complicated by the ground figuratively and literally moving beneath our feet. Technology changes, markets change, disasters strike.

A good mum lets them lick the beater. A great mum makes sure to turn it off first.

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 21:32:19 +1200 Neil https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373015#post373015 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373015#post373015 Any form of wealth redistribution by the State can be viewed as a subsidy. The State paying for the building of social housing is subsidising building companies and the employers of those who will either rent or buy those homes. Free GP visits are a subsidy to GPs.

There are…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 18:35:40 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373013#post373013 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373013#post373013 Mon, 29 May 2017 18:10:41 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373010#post373010 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373010#post373010 it is up to all of us – workers, management, policymakers and their advisors – to do what it takes to “get us out of here”!

I disagree – it really is far more dependent on the right governance settings. I work in planning and with every amendment made to…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 17:35:57 +1200 Paul Conway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373009#post373009 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373009#post373009 Low wages are also a disincentive for the business owner to invest in technology (maybe what you meant by “work better”?). When you can get more widgets per hour by either buying a machine for $lots or by employing more workers for $peanuts, and one is an up-front capital cost… ]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 17:25:12 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373008#post373008 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373008#post373008 Increase the minimum wage, resume more meaningful protections for workers and move to taxes on capital assets.

Also this: relax skilled migrant rules but in exchange, put a proper price on it. Then use the revenue raised for apprenticeships and repurposing "rust belt" workers (of which I consider myself one).…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 17:24:36 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373007#post373007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373007#post373007 Well it would screw up the wealthy classes a whole lot more than any of those are likely to. But for that reason, all stops would be pulled if such a thing seemed to be happening. Government would directly intervene to bail out the banking sector, and many other measures… ]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 17:04:16 +1200 web-developer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373006#post373006 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373006#post373006 Mon, 29 May 2017 16:55:36 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373005#post373005 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373005#post373005 Low wages support businesses that are inefficient. Low wages are a disincentive for the workers to work better as opposed to longer.

Low wages are also a disincentive for the business owner to invest in technology (maybe what you meant by "work better"?). When you can get more widgets per…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:40:59 +1200 Sam M https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373004#post373004 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373004#post373004 Isn't the answer to make both labour and capital more expensive? That way, owners of capital are incentivised to ensure it is put to the most productive use.

Increase the minimum wage, resume more meaningful protections for workers and move to taxes on capital assets.

I'm interested in the fact…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:29:35 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373003#post373003 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373003#post373003 NZ workers do some of the longest hours in the OECD. They (we!) just don't create much value from an hour at work compared to workers in other developed countries. So our wages are low and lots of NZers struggle to pay the bills.

This I agree with. Except I…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:28:43 +1200 Sam M https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373002#post373002 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373002#post373002 Yep. But in reality isn't that what we need (I'm a house owner too!).

If you think of housing, fundamentally, as a human need (shelter) and therefore a cost rather than an asset in which to measure wealth, then you would want them as cheap as possible.

Even if you…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:26:11 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373001#post373001 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=373001#post373001 The one thing guaranteed to be a game changer would be a housing market crash. Bill English would likely be more scared of it than ISIL terrorists or North Korean missiles, because a crash would heavily discredit the very Anglo-Saxon Model he so adheres to, like the Great Depression did… ]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:23:18 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372999#post372999 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372999#post372999 Genuine question: What are the biggest levers the government has access to to influence how the economy develops? I'm assuming, tax policy would be one of the biggest?

Mortgage-belt politics seems to strongly tie in to it. The usual rationale from Anglo-Saxon economic fundies is that raising taxes & spending would…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:09:08 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372998#post372998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372998#post372998 Genuine question: What are the biggest levers the government has access to to influence how the economy develops? I’m assuming, tax policy would be one of the biggest?

Since Parliament is effectively sovereign in the country, there is almost no way to answer that question. They can pass almost any…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 16:02:03 +1200 Paul Conway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372997#post372997 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372997#post372997 So I had a read through and I can’t say I felt better. It feels like you’re blaming everything on lazy unproductive workers.

Not at all. NZ workers do some of the longest hours in the OECD. They (we!) just don't create much value from an hour at work compared…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 15:34:01 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372994#post372994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372994#post372994 Mon, 29 May 2017 14:28:21 +1200 Sam M https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372993#post372993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372993#post372993 The MOST frustrating thing I find about political discourse in this country is that those on the right throw out that the left is ideologically driven and would ruin the country when EVIDENCE suggests that is horses&ˆt and the opposite is true.

A slavish devotion to lower tax and trickle down…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 14:24:54 +1200 Sam M https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372992#post372992 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372992#post372992 Genuine question: What are the biggest levers the government has access to to influence how the economy develops? I'm assuming, tax policy would be one of the biggest?

How can the Opposition truly offer an alternative vision for the future if they will not change the balance of what and…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 14:21:35 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372991#post372991 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372991#post372991 But I do think the ideology of lower taxation = growth which will make everything all right is utterly debunked. It’s a completely broken model.

Yes, it's far too simplistic. It may sometimes happen that lowering taxation in something you specifically want to grow is a good idea. But there's…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 14:12:45 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372990#post372990 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372990#post372990 There is the main paper, which is still accessible but aimed at an economist audience, and a very accessible overview.

Just read the very accessible overview. Reads like a PR piece for the incumbent Government’s BGA (Business Growth Agenda) which has been around for 5 years now;

http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/business/business-growth-agenda/towards-2025

But what…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 14:04:29 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372989#post372989 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372989#post372989 Timely and relevant is this piece from Bloomberg, bewailing the "threat" of the LIS catching up to the productivity gains of the last 15 years, meaning the workforce recapturing the huge increases in profit margins that US corporations have seen over that period.


Goldman Sachs Group Inc. is worried that…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 13:53:06 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372988#post372988 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372988#post372988 But absolutely, any person not totally committed to _laissez faire_ should see that raising taxes is at least a possible thing to try.

Except that Labour and the Greens have committed to no new taxes and a cap on overall government expenditure relative to GDP. So they've strapped themselves into…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 13:45:26 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372987#post372987 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372987#post372987 If you ever want to chat about "how we get out of here" just get in touch – It's one of my favourite topics!

So I had a read through and I can't say I felt better. It feels like you're blaming everything on lazy unproductive workers.

You don't address…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 13:45:00 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372986#post372986 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372986#post372986 And I'm sure there will be a bunch of economists (spit) who present models explaining why that is wrong, it's just a pity that their models don't fit the observed data from all over the world.

It's never the fault of the models, it's always the fault of the data.…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 13:41:57 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372985#post372985 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372985#post372985 I'd say it's part of the solution, but not sufficient in itself.

I'd agree completely.

I don't think there is a simple solution.

But I do think the ideology of lower taxation = growth which will make everything all right is utterly debunked. It's a completely broken model. The only…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 13:38:59 +1200 Lynn Yum https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372984#post372984 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372984#post372984 Mon, 29 May 2017 13:35:53 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372980#post372980 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372980#post372980 You had me up until this point. This doesn't follow axiomatically from rejection of the hypothesis. It is simply one of the alternate hypotheses.

Nope it's just saying other countries, that for the most part we want to emulate, use much higher taxation settings.

It's not a hypothesis it's simply…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 12:08:09 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372979#post372979 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372979#post372979 Mon, 29 May 2017 11:58:28 +1200 Paul Conway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372977#post372977 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372977#post372977 Mon, 29 May 2017 11:22:16 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372976#post372976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372976#post372976 The solution is taxation and a government that then spends that money for the benefit of all New Zealanders.

You had me up until this point. This doesn't follow axiomatically from rejection of the hypothesis. It is simply one of the alternate hypotheses.

I'd say it's part of the solution,…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 11:22:09 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372971#post372971 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372971#post372971 Thanks for the article – good to see a summary of reaction to the budget and reflections on more structural aspirations for NZ’s economic future.

Thanks for swinging by, Paul!

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 10:25:28 +1200 Paul Conway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372970#post372970 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372970#post372970 Mon, 29 May 2017 09:58:28 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372969#post372969 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372969#post372969 How did we get here? Well we've spent the last 20-30 years basing our economy on the idea that lowering taxation will increase the efficiency of government and business leading to a stronger economy that benefits all New Zealanders.

Both governments have followed roughly the same ideology with minor tweeks.…

]]> Mon, 29 May 2017 09:46:50 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372968#post372968 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372968#post372968 Mon, 29 May 2017 02:43:05 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372967#post372967 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372967#post372967 Mon, 29 May 2017 02:26:06 +1200 Zach Bagnall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372966#post372966 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372966#post372966 Mon, 29 May 2017 01:43:29 +1200 Lynn Yum https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372965#post372965 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372965#post372965 I find it odd that the question isn't answered in a writer's festival. Creative industry is exactly where the economy can grow. Writers, artists etc. produce works that can't be automated.

And the world still needs lots of scientists, engineers and programmers to make the automated world work.

And I…

]]> Sun, 28 May 2017 22:27:04 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372964#post372964 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372964#post372964 Yes, I think UBI is in our future but we'd need a major overhaul of tax – including, I assume finding a way to make multinationals pay their fair share.

Meantime, maybe a way out for the accommodation supplement is the announcement of a programme of staged reductions in it…

]]> Sun, 28 May 2017 22:23:39 +1200 Downbeatdan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372963#post372963 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372963#post372963 I agree John. I find myself think about how we shift to a world where stacks of the work is done by machines, and a UBI seems to be the only way that world can emerge.
A utopian future, may be one where humans are free to pursue the things…

]]> Sun, 28 May 2017 19:13:37 +1200 John McCormick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372962#post372962 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372962#post372962 Sun, 28 May 2017 17:47:08 +1200 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372961#post372961 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372961#post372961 Sun, 28 May 2017 17:38:07 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372960#post372960 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372960#post372960 panel commentary was on Q&A this morning about this Budget's lack of tackling the important structural factors. Sprinkling some lollies does not a brighter future make. ]]> Sun, 28 May 2017 17:25:59 +1200 Joshua Arbury https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372959#post372959 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372959#post372959 It seems to me that housing really is the elephant in the room. A lot of things are in real terms much cheaper than they used to be, especially electronics. But housing is wayyyyyy more expensive, buying (in particular) or renting.

The broad impacts of the country, and especially Auckland,…

]]> Sun, 28 May 2017 16:56:15 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372958#post372958 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-budget-2017-how-do-we-get-out-of/?p=372958#post372958 Discussion from blog post.

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