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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Upthread, there was discussion about the 90 day fire at will law hastily passed before christmas. Lo, <a href="http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5275690/unions-free-negotiate-probationary-period-govt/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">today comes news</a> that the kindergarten teachers are trying to negotiate it out of their contract.</p><blockquote><p>However a spokesman for Labour Minister Kate Wilkinson, who steered the bill through Parliament, said there was…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>O brillant Joe!<br />Sorry Mark, but I have a thing about big heavy horses at full gallop-they literally do shake the earth. And then fart, sweat very heavily and haw for quite a while afterwards-</p><p>incidentally, I've ridden a horse twice in my life (a big old draft mare at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:29:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My god, I'd forgotten that one.<br />Quite successfully.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry :(</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:05:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>My god, I'd forgotten that one.</p><p>Quite successfully.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:03:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWvJlWE1fQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWvJlWE1fQ</a><br />Clydesdales with afterburners (fire mares), from the early-80s B-flick  <em>Krull</em>.</p><p>Seriously, thanks to ancient organic video technology, the knowledge of which has long been suppressed (boo hiss), this is NZ before those ill-mannered polynesians showed up and ate everyone. All "natural" rock formations shown are lovingly hand crafted by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:53:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Yep, mutated Clydesdale with hooves the size of ashets...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:12:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						horse, surely  :)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:52:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>"a Kaimanawa ignimbrite dyke", eh?</p><p>And what sort of bike does she ride?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:48:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						Shep,as you know the 'Inca Wall' was a Kaimanawa ignimbrite dyke and another of Barry B's little fantasies. Y'see, the Ancient Nation of Waitaha. although originating in the Pleiades, came here via South America...only corrupt arcaheologists abetted by those self-interested latecomers the Maori have destroyed or perverted all the evidence.…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:22:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>National's Nicky Wagner spammed me with this just now:</p><p>    The committee has been set up to have a fresh look at the Emissions Trading Scheme in response to concerns about New Zealand’s poor record on emissions, the changed economic environment and rushed way the legislation was passed.</p></blockquote><p>That last seven…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:34:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>My brother has dyslexia. How on earth would enshrining in law the requirement that all children learn to read, write and do maths assist my brother, who all through his school years, struggled with those subjects? What I am saying is that the proposed 'testing' regime is a one size…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:14:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Yep, blaming the victim is such <em>fresh</em> thinking..
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:53:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The current incoming government is suggesting far reaching changes in educational accountability and more testing in schools at a time when other nations are actually seeking to reduce testing in schools.</p></blockquote><p>I had a <a href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/11/greens-make-bills-available-if-nats-wont/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">squint</a> at the proposed law changes in the Education sector, including the laughable law change that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:51:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						What about the Incas and the Pyramids and volcanic stone formations ... er stone walls cut by the Incas?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:46:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Or "Lyndon Hood is only joking, honest"
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:27:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						How about "Lyndon Hood has a lend of you".
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:26:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps it's done on solid legal advice</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's fair to say it's the polite caution of a small new organisation.</p><p>I guess it would be a bit clearer if we put "The following is not for real. Please do not sue."</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:16:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's like telling a joke and pausing just before the punchline to say "this is going to really make you laugh"</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps it's done on solid legal advice, <em>à la</em> "serving suggestion only".</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:10:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Does anyone in the Nats realise what idiots they are making of themselves?</p></blockquote><p>I believe they are probably relying on the <em>last laugh</em> principle..</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:50:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>O shit, the Kenny thing- we really hoped that wouldnt get out<br />(BTW Kenny's blond, at least in BLU he is- the gingas are all those celtic patupaiarehe etc.. O, and my mother,sister, nephew, et al- o double shit, we're exposed as the ones who not only ate everybody else…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:40:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>in response to concerns about ... rushed way the legislation was passed.</p></blockquote><p>Does anyone in the Nats realise what idiots they are making of themselves?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Was Kenny the ginga one hiding under a punga?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:00:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We wicked -specifically Kai Tahu &ndash; Maori ate them too</p></blockquote><p>You bastards! You ate Kenny, too!</p><p>;-)</p>
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						Trying so hard not to be strabismustic (quiet sob) when looking at things erm straitly...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:59:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He sent me the piccies! I've seen them (you have to squint a bit.))</p></blockquote><p>Well, if you're not prepared to squint a bit in pursuit of the real truth, what kind of truth-seeker are you?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:30:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						O you are so wrong Dyan, Caleb et al! Muriel & the Chinese? (Actually it was Gavin Menzies)ptui! The Moriori &ndash; well, everyone knows we wicked Maori ate them out of house & home. The Celts? O dear &ndash; Martin Doutre has *such* a lot of information/proof but he's been gazumped by…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:25:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I may (not least because I pretty much though of it when I was here earlier):</p><p>Recession-Weary Nation Cheered By John Key's Chaplinesque Antics</p></blockquote><p>Really nice Lyndon!  Thanks.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:13:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>__You fool! Hasn't Muriel Newman already told us it was the Chinese who got here first?>></p><p>She's also claimed the moriori were here first...</p></blockquote><p>Wrong, you're all wrong, it was the Piltdown Man, then the Spanish Vikings.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:47:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't bother trying to work out what it all means, just wait for the next clarification &ndash; now issued daily.</p></blockquote><p>National's Nicky Wagner spammed me with this just now:</p><blockquote><p>As part of the environment  team I have been appointed as a member of the Select Committee to review  the Emissions…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:45:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I must say though that the word "Satire" in your byline on Scoop is horrible, it really must go. It's like telling a joke and pausing just before the punchline to say "this is going to really make you laugh".</p></blockquote><p>I used to think that, Giovanni, but after the last…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:44:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Submissions on the Celtic pre-Polynesian settlement of NZ will be warmly welcomed</p></blockquote><p>Surely the cutting-edge ethno-science of Edward Tregear and F. D. Fenton <em>proves</em> that Maori are none other than the Lost Tribes of Israel. That, combined with Te Tiriti o Waitiangi and the Balfour Declaration, means we must stake…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:33:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I may</p></blockquote><p>Beat me to it. (It could be your new slogan: Lyndon Hood,  faster than RSS). I must say though that the word "Satire" in your byline on Scoop is horrible, it really must go. It's like telling a joke and pausing just before the punchline to say…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>National's transition from successful marketing organisation to actual government looks more awful by the hour.</p></blockquote><p>If I may (not least because I pretty much though of it when I was here earlier):</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S00228.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Recession-Weary Nation Cheered By John Key's Chaplinesque Antics</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:23:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You fool! Hasn't Muriel Newman already told us it was the Chinese who got here first?</p></blockquote><p>I remember now... that hoary old chestnut Terra Nullius.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You fool! Hasn't Muriel Newman already told us it was the Chinese who got here first?</p></blockquote><p>Thankfully, no. If she had I'd still be receiving spam for whatever it is that her husband's flogging these days.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You fool! Hasn't Muriel Newman already told us it was the Chinese who got here first?</p></blockquote><p>She's also claimed the moriori were here first...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Submissions on the Celtic pre-Polynesian settlement of NZ will be warmly welcomed.</p></blockquote><p>You fool! Hasn't Muriel Newman already told us it was the Chinese who got here first?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Climate change sceptic Mr Hide said the reference to central projections, risks and uncertainties could allow examination of the science.</p></blockquote><p>And he's right. Rob's also doubtless right too ...</p><p>That statement is the kind of gibberish you'd expect from a government on the ropes, not one enjoying its first week…</p>
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						But what if the inquiry had actually been launched in order to satisfy a gold standard zealot, and he was sitting on the committee?
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						<blockquote><p>Don't bother trying to work out what it all means, just wait for the next clarification &ndash; now issued daily.</p></blockquote><p>Very simply (and I say this after 15 years covering select committees, and also with a weary sigh)....although the inquiry will have its own terms of reference, people will make…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But have you seen the Auckland Women's Health Council's paper on The Funding Of 12 Months Treatment With Herceptin For Her2 Positive Early Breast Cancer?</p></blockquote><p>Outcome-based rational process: 0<br />Craven acceptance of emotive campaign run by drug multinational: 1</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Submissions on the Celtic pre-Polynesian settlement of NZ will be warmly welcomed.</p></blockquote><p>All your foreshores &amp; seabeds are belong to us.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the Celtic pre-Polynesian settlement of NZ</p></blockquote><p>Wasn't that the topic of the rest of the site where I found the photo drivers license stuff recently?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't bother trying to work out what it all means, just wait for the next clarification &ndash; now issued daily.</p></blockquote><p>One suspects it'll mean something different to everyone who stands up in front of the committee.</p><p>It's a waste of time, I just hope it's not a waste of time…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mr Hide, who will sit on the committee, has said as far as he was concerned the committee will get to look at the issue of the science theory behind climate change.</p></blockquote><p>Submissions on the Celtic pre-Polynesian settlement of NZ will be warmly welcomed.</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As one who has never voted National, I'm most impressed with 12month Herceptin on offer</p></blockquote><p>But have you seen the <a href="http://www.womenshealthcouncil.org.nz/submissions.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Auckland Women's Health Council's paper</a> on The Funding Of 12 Months Treatment With Herceptin For Her2 Positive Early Breast Cancer?</p>
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						<p>I hope this Climate Change select committee doesn't get asked if they want tea or coffee. They'll take up the whole day arguing about the question, never mind the answer.</p><p>Latest (NZPA, today): </p><p>Leader of the House Gerry Brownlee today officially added to the committee's terms of reference: "Identify the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The current incoming government is suggesting far reaching changes in educational accountability and more testing in schools at a time when other nations are actually seeking to reduce testing in schools.</p></blockquote><p>With no consultation at all <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/ED0812/S00043.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">with teachers.</a>  We can't say Nicky Hager didn't warn us.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote>According to the Beehive site</blockquote>...on Tuesday. The issue here is that someone seems to have changed their mind.
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						<p>According to <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/climate+change+select+committee+established" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Beehive site</a>,  the special committee consists of:</p><blockquote><p>Hon Peter Dunne (Chair), Craig Foss, Nicky Wagner, Dr Paul Hutchison, Hekia Parata, Hon Rodney Hide, Hon David Parker, Moana Mackey, Charles Chauvel, Jeanette Fitzsimons, and one member of the Māori Party</p></blockquote><p>and the terms of reference are:</p><blockquote><p>* identify…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>RNZ say the terms have been passed.</p><p>It's not often I'm horrified by the prospect of politicians wanting to talk about science.</p>
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						<p>On the bright side, state house numbers are de-capped. Good that the minister responded to information in his brief, but perhaps he might have checked whether there were shortages before capping the numbers?</p><p>In way it reminds me &ndash; one thing I though about Labour's campaigning being needlessly nasty:</p><p>If…</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If this is true...</p></blockquote><p>I heard such noises in the reporting of the debate somewhere this morning. </p><p>Also Rodney's <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0812/S00086.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">triumphant PR</a> yesterday makes more sense (strictly relative) that way.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>If true (a big "if", admittedly) that would be the fourth version of their policy on climate change in as many weeks.</p></blockquote><p>If this is true, then it's pathetic and alarming.</p><p>National have been looking composed and competent right up to the point where they actually have to do something,…</p>
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						<p>On the ETS committee, "Steve Pierson" on the Standard claims:</p><p><em>At the last moment, National has flip-flopped and inserted at the last minute an additional clause to the committee’s terms of reference that questions the science of climate change.</em></p><p>If true (a big "if", admittedly) that would be the fourth…</p>
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						Joe I think it was Paul that said that. But from my time in Oz I'd say the phrase would probably be 'dead meat'. Which we also use.
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						<blockquote><p>Call me crazy, but today I realised I am a Credit Crunch Denier.</p></blockquote><p>"I found five bucks down the back of the couch last week. Economy is looking great in my little part of the world! There should be further debate over this whole economic downturn!"</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I do not understand how anyone could look at that graph and declare that because it hasn't been as hot as the hottest year ever, global warming has ceased. The usual horde of climate deniers has, however, piled into to the Guardian's comments section to declare just that.</p></blockquote><p>Call me…</p>
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						<p>As one who has never voted National, I'm most impressed with 12month Herceptin on offer and a little backdating, and heartened by what looks like an increase in State Housing and improvement of standards.</p><p>I've had a theory for a while that each Party Lab/Nat does more for their non-constituant…</p>
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						<p>Ben Wilson:</p><blockquote><p>I see the the parallels though I can a tell Joe's a kiwi by the use of the phrase "dog tucker" &ndash; draws blanks stares here.</p></blockquote><p>So, if this was an Australian blog, what would have been an appropriate phrase &ndash; torn apart by ravening drop bears?<br />__Hey…</p>
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						Covering real politics rather than the sideshow takes more skills and more time to produce relevant and researched stories.  I suspect that is the real issue rather than any lack of popular interest.
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						Bugger that came out wrong....it's a conspiracy !When scripting doesn't work in your browser the defailt is to post....
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						<p>The current incoming government is suggesting far reaching changes in educational accountability and more testing in schools at a time when other nations are actually seeking to reduce testing in schools.</p><p>I would love to see some incisive journalism on that one, but I suppose that’s boring too ?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can tell you that members of the Press Gallery do cover Select Committees on a regular and constant basis.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I stand corrected Felix.  But when it comes to news judgement, I didn't exactly find Michael Cullen being a procedural smart-arse yesterday exactly "riveting" or particularly news worthy either.…</p>
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						LOL, Felix, you have misinterpreted. I was referring to Rodney Hide's absences.
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						<p>Ben,</p><p>I may have misinterpreted your comment, and if I have I apologise in advance, but if you are implying gallery journalists are lazy or have an agenda hiding behind laziness then you would be very wrong.</p><p>My colleagues are among the hardest working people I have ever had the…</p>
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						I think the media flows into the vacuum caused by people's failure to be active.
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						<blockquote><p>And, to be honest, that's not an appealing prospect. A lot of SC business is not exactly riveting stuff. It's a matter of making a news judgment about what's significant, how many people will be affected, and flow on implications ... etc etc.</p></blockquote><p>All fairly important factors in the decision…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>They should totally steal the ring of power and set up a new Dark Tower in Bowen House.</p></blockquote><p>I'm glad someone saw the reference. And it seems like the Ring of Power is exactly what is on offer, for the mere price of selling the Maori party's soul. If I…</p>
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						<p>I rarely post on political matters as it may lead to one of those drawn out arguments where no-one ends up satisfied.</p><p>But I would like to make a small point in regard to previous criticisms made about media coverage of Select Committees as I think it was a little…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it's the change to bail laws that scares me</p><p>Another one I'm confused about. Is it just a repeal of Labour's change &ndash; which will apparently do little in terms of case law, or will the considerations they are suggesting will apply be written into it?</p></blockquote><p>Lyndon, the fact that…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>a chance for the Maori party to show their quality.</p></blockquote><p>They should totally steal the ring of power and set up a new Dark Tower in Bowen House.</p>
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						<blockquote>it's the change to bail laws that scares me</blockquote>Another one I'm confused about. Is it just a repeal of Labour's change &ndash; which will apparently do little in terms of case law, or will the considerations they are suggesting will apply be written into it?
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						<blockquote>Yet somehow, in this weird political narrative we've got going, the *Greens* are the crazy unreasonable ones.</blockquote>Listening to Parliament, it occurred to me that it must surely burn some ACT people to be called anti-science by the <em>Greens</em>.
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						Of all the changes going under urgency, it's the change to bail laws that scares me. All the rest is "Well, you <em>will</em> get that under a National government'. Tax cuts, undermining KiwiSaver, even draconian changes to employment legislation (you'd be crazy not to think this would happen). But I…
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						Of all the changes going under urgency, it's the change to bail laws that scares me. All the rest is "Well, you <em>will</em> get that under a National government'. Tax cuts, undermining KiwiSaver, even draconian changes to employment legislation (you'd be crazy not to think this would happen). But I…
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						<blockquote><p>Jeanette Fitzsimons owned Rodney on Morning Report this morning</p></blockquote><p>I liked the way she said 'this is not a matter of religious belief' and broke out the science, while Hide was all 'but I just don't dig the idea, man!'</p><p>(Yet somehow, in this weird political narrative we've got going,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>That's very persuasive analysis, Caleb. Ta.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks &mdash; I wish it were mine! It's basically an observation I remember Hendrik Hertzberg making in the <em>New Yorker</em> about American journalists' peculiar relationship with George W. Bush. Whether Key, too, will eventually succumb to the media's build-them-up-just-to-tear-them-down celebrity narrative, I guess we'll…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But Rodney has a rather different view of the terms of reference:</p></blockquote><p>Jeanette Fitzsimons owned Rodney on Morning Report this morning when she pointed out that he hadn't bothered to attend most of the select committee hearings on ETS.</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>I think journalists are a little mesmerised by him, and, by implication, their own power to anoint and un-anoint</p><p>That's very persuasive analysis, Caleb. Ta.</em></p><p>Isn't it. It's an interesting &ndash; and very real &ndash; phenomenon. While I'm not suggesting any parallel with Key I remember an Alan Moir cartoon,…</p></blockquote>
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						Craig I generally read the Gruaniad because of the confirmation bias. I temper it with Aunty's web news and a dalliance with The Times. I do make a point of reading the Torygraph's sports reporting though, it is by far the best and is wonderful enterntainment when the All Blacks…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>I think journalists are a little mesmerised by him, and, by implication, their own power to anoint and un-anoint</em></p><p>That's very persuasive analysis, Caleb. Ta.</p></blockquote><p>Isn't it. It's an interesting &ndash; and very real &ndash; phenomenon. While I'm not suggesting any parallel with Key I remember an Alan Moir cartoon,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I think journalists are a little mesmerised by him, and, by implication, their own power to anoint and un-anoint</p></blockquote><p>That's very persuasive analysis, Caleb. Ta.</p>
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						I wonder how the Parlamento Nuova Zelanda would deal with a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4897820.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">French nuclear blast</a>? Or would it more likely be a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2004/miners_strike/default.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">British coal explosion</a>?
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Fuck you're awesome, Danyl.</p></blockquote><p>Why, thanks Ben. You might be surprised by how rarely I hear that.</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<p>Also, with regard to the pushing through of new bail laws, I found this on <a href="http://wordsmith.org/words/tremulous.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Word a Day</a>:</p><p>The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its<br />prisons. -Fyodor Dostoyevsky, novelist (1821-1881)</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>All of a sudden, working for a large corporation becomes more attractive.</em></p><p>You mean someone who will care what happens to their reputation if they start imposing probationary periods?</p></blockquote><p>Mmm &ndash; like the ASB for instance, who, nine years after the demise of the Employment Contracts Act, still proudly and…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>All of a sudden, working for a large corporation becomes more attractive.</p></blockquote><p>You mean someone who will care what happens to their reputation if they start imposing probationary periods?</p>
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						All of a sudden, working for a large corporation becomes more attractive.
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						<blockquote>Oh, James, given that I'm listening to Goff's incandescence at the "consitutional outrage" of legislation being passed under urgency, I'd love some senior political reporter to tote up how much legislation was passed on his watch &mdash; and with his support &mdash; without select committee scrutiny and public submission. How…</blockquote>
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						That's alright simon, the chair of the select commitee will stick religiously to the terms of reference and dissuade any rogue politicking through his or her steely determination and political backbone of... sorry, what? Dunne? Really? Crap...
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						<p><em>Or better, if you can combine it all into one sensational story: "Britney murdered over drunk kitten escapade!"</p><p>You'll never get that in the Herald on Sunday. Where's the property angle?</em></p><p> "Britney murdered <strong>in Parnell mansion by secret lesbian lover</strong> over drunk kitten escapade!"</p>
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						<p>Gareth Ward commented earlier:</p><blockquote><p>Have just had a look through the Order Paper and the motion to establish the ETS select committee is in there with the suggested terms of reference &ndash; nothing about reviewing the science of climate change so that's a good thing at least.</p></blockquote><p>But Rodney has…</p>
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						From the Herald:<blockquote>But Labour Minister Kate Wilkinson said the public had already had a chance to give its views when the legislation went before a select committee in the last Parliament in the form of a private member's bill introduced by National MP Wayne Mapp.</blockquote>Don't you see? We have already…
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						<blockquote><p>A Stuff poll prior to the 2005 election had Destiny picking up a couple of seats. For the duration of their limited attention spans, the terminally credulous could barely contain themselves.</p></blockquote><p>Teehee.</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>The Stuff poll on the matter is currently running 66% in favour, which suggests either that two-thirds of the Stuff website's visitors are small-business owners, or a lot of people have absolutely no clue about what's in their economic best interests.</em></p><p>Or that political parties stack these polls for their…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote>Surely the politic thing to do would be to wait until unemployment increases a bit, as it is bound to do in the coming year. This 90 Day Trial can then be introduced as a solution and if it is timed right &ndash; in step with a bottoming out of…</blockquote>
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						<p>Here's a <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0809/S00260.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pre-election release</a> on the 90 day thing.</p><p>I find the "either party may terminate the employment relationship for performance, without a personal grievance claim being brought" thing hilarious. Employees win the right to quit!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The first broken promise was shelving the ERA, but at least they could blame Act for that. This is very poor.</p></blockquote><p>Seems if it was at all mentioned prior to the election...National claims it has a mandate.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>and somebody (Collins?) said it would be volunary on both sides</p></blockquote><p>yeah right. A prospective employee determines not to 'voluntarily agree' and is still going to be hired?</p>
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						<p>The money quote is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10543229" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>, from Nov 25</p><blockquote><p>National's spokesperson for labour and industrial relations Kate Wilkinson told the Herald on Sunday the new government has not set a time-frame for rolling out the policy as it is not part of Key's 100-day plan, but she hopes businesses will get some…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>This 90 Day Trial can then be introduced as a solution and if it is timed right &ndash; in step with a bottoming out of the worldwide economy &ndash; unemployment will soon reduce and the Bill can be proclaimed a success.</p><blockquote><p>Do you mean as a solution to cutting wages…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>CTU press release today: CTU president Helen Kelly said the organisation was assured the law change would not be part of the Government's first 100 days of action.</p></blockquote><p>Surely the politic thing to do would be to wait until unemployment increases a bit, as it is bound to do in…</p>
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						<p>If that's true (what the CTU said) then that <em>is</em> a bad start by National on the trust front.</p><p>I do think the amendments have made the bill somewhat less objectionable. I'm especially happy to see:</p><blockquote><p>* removing the benefit stand down period for those "let go" after the 90-day…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>CTU press release today:  CTU president Helen Kelly said the organisation was assured the law change would not be part of the Government's first 100 days of action.</p><p>A trustworthy beginning!  At least Labour managed to forge good relations with both business and labour organisations.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's how you know about it. It's not up to journalists to critique the government &ndash; that's the role of the opposition. Journalists are then meant to report both the government and opposition viewpoints and if you read the story I've linked to you'll see that's exactly what's happened.</p></blockquote><p>I'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:10:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Surely this does not affect the application of the law relating to unjustifiable dismissal even in a probationary period?</p></blockquote><p>It's difficult because we haven't seen the bill yet.</p><p>It will be limited to enteprises of a certain size and somebody (Collins?) said it would be volunary on both sides, which would…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:59:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Blake Monkley</title>
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						<blockquote><p>90 day fire at will</p></blockquote><p>Surely this does not affect the application of the law relating to unjustifiable dismissal even in a probationary period?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:49:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Um... Caleb, the nice thing about being in Government is... well, you tend to get a wee bit more attention.</p></blockquote><p>Although that didn't seem to apply much during the last parliamentary term, though, did it? :) I think that what's noticeable is that the Nats are not (so far) having…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:48:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>James: I really think busting a blood vessel about a "secret agenda" being pushed by wannabe Rommels is absurd.</p></blockquote><p>Craig, nowhere in my posts have I accused anyone of a secret agenda. That was Idiot Savant. I have questioned why it needs to be passed under urgency and why this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:43:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Martin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Last week, the Maori Party caucus decided we would not support the 90-Day Employment Probation Bill introduced by National MP, Wayne Mapp, and that we would vote against it when it comes back to the House. ...'</p></blockquote><p>I seem to remember hearing a report that the Bill is a softened…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:34:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						And there you have it. Goff thanks Key for New Zealander's  Xmas presents. 90 day fire at will.(For those without telly)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:32:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Oh, James, given that I'm listening to Goff's incandescence at the "consitutional outrage" of legislation being passed under urgency, I'd love some senior political reporter to tote up how much legislation was passed on his watch &mdash; and with his support &mdash; without select committee scrutiny and public submission.  How…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:30:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, yes. But the headline starts with the word 'Labour', which, in the current media climate, is short-hand for 'please don't take me seriously'.</p></blockquote><p>Um... Caleb, the nice thing about being in Government is... well, you tend to get a wee bit more attention.  But if you're arguing that Labour…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:24:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(Sigh) Journalists HAVE written about this. That's how you know about it.</p></blockquote><p>Fuck you're awesome, Danyl.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:16:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Stuff poll on the matter is currently running 66% in favour, which suggests either that two-thirds of the Stuff website's visitors are small-business owners, or a lot of people have absolutely no clue about what's in their economic best interests.</p></blockquote><p>Or that political parties stack these polls for their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:09:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Try following those linky things, James.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, and you will note that not once in the story to which I had linked did Ms Watkins mention that this move had not previously been signalled / included in the "100 day plan". You can accuse me of pedantry, but don't you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:06:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Man, I 'm bored already. 1 hour and no arguing.  Might end up reading the "blame Labour now that they are gone goss"! Oh, no need, Address in reply debate is doin' that now. :)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:03:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(Sigh) Journalists  HAVE written about this. That's how you know about it.</p></blockquote><p>Well, yes. But the headline starts with the word 'Labour', which, in the current media climate, is short-hand for 'please don't take me seriously'. The only people who won't like this bill, the story suggests, are Unions and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:56:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I guess we can't expect the journos to stop their collective John Key handjob and return to their keyboards to write much about this.</p></blockquote><p>(Sigh) Journalists <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4786640a6160.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> HAVE</a> written about this. That's how you know about it. It's not up to journalists to critique the government &ndash; that's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:37:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But the Maori Party caucus are discussing their position this afternoon, so we might hear today. </p><p>I can't see why they should support either the bill or urgency. It doesn't affect their portfolios, and the gov't will still have the votes. They have no excuse to roll over on this…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:33:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I would say that there's going to be one hell of a shit fight about the way this has been introduced, but then again I guess we can't expect the journos to stop their collective John Key handjob and return to their keyboards to write much about this.</p></blockquote><p>Try following…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:27:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>But the Maori Party caucus are discussing their position this afternoon, so we might hear today. </p><p>I can't see why they should support either the bill or urgency. It doesn't affect their portfolios, and the gov't will still have the votes. They have no excuse to roll over on this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:22:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(We should find out this afternoon if those Mana-Enhancing Baubles have worked their charm ...)</p></blockquote><p>Next week.  The address in reply will take 19 hours, which means that it will go on till next Tuesday.</p><p>Of course, they could go into urgency early for the extra time.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:18:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Hone Harawira, 29 August 2006:</p><p>"Last week, the Maori Party caucus decided we would not support the 90-Day Employment Probation Bill introduced by National MP, Wayne Mapp, and that we would vote against it when it comes back to the House. ...</p><p>Our decision was based on the following arguments:…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:14:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Media7 was a light-hearted affair that examined the cult of celebrity</p></blockquote><p>Heavy use of the royal "we" in the being, and I switched off.<br />Nice to see Fleur again tho.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:13:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						I heard Locky was seen cavorting round his bedroom in that wig and pink tights last night.  I think the 'ceremonial' occasions may be out of sight of the public from now on -:)
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>John giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other.</p><p>I don't remember the 90 days fire at will law ever being mentioned in the same sentence as the first 100 days. Not even yesterday when Key was talking about the pre-Christmas urgency agenda Cabinet had signed off.</p></blockquote><p>A…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:06:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Guess we'll find out this afternoon whether he intends to keep wearing it.</p></blockquote><p>The wig is gone.  Score one for informality!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:01:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Are the DNA-storage laws being pushed through in the urgency package as well?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure. I haven't read anything that says they will be, but we'll find out when the legislation is tabled and urgency accorded. Surely they're not stupid (or contemptuous) enough to think this doesn't need to go…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:53:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>Wow.....keyboard weirdness. This: </p><p>"If anyone hasn't got hat they yet, get it soon."</p><p>Should be: If anyone hasn't got that yet, they should get it soon.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:47:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:37:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>The Herald is campaigning for a multi-term National Party government enabled by the death of MMP. </p><p>If anyone hasn't got hat they yet, get it soon. </p><p>Auckland's only daily newspaper is no longer about journalism and all about enabling a political agenda they intend to do their very best to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:34:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:33:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The overwhelming direction of stories and editorial comment has been highly partisan, as partisan as I recall the Sunday Star (Times?) was in 1999 in the few months preceding Labour's win. I don't think it's healthy but I think it's close to established practice now.</p></blockquote><p>In 1969 the <em>Dominion</em> ran…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:31:30 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>On the climate change thing, if they hang the select committee out they might get overtaken by events.</p><p>This <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/09/oil-business-climate-change-flooding" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">article in the grauniad</a> <em>(linky love &ndash; give them your ad $$!)</em> suggests that people may in future be able to sue polluters. So NZ farmers, electricity utilities and possibly SUV…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:31:01 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't remember the 90 days fire at will law ever being mentioned in the same sentence as the first 100 days.</p></blockquote><p>And it notably wasn't mentioned in the speech from the throne.  This was a stealth policy, designed to be sprung on us by surprise and rammed through under…</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Full-time, or only for ceremonial occasions?</p><p>I think Wilson might have worn one at the last state opening.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think she did, but I could be mistaken. Memory is a little fuzzy after three years.</p><p>Guess we'll find out this afternoon whether he intends to keep wearing it.</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They parallel the netroots who now fear that Obama will not be progressive enough. There and here the people who see themselves as "core support" have difficulty accepting that they won't get everything they want and so shout alot.</p></blockquote><p>Isn't this how a democracy works?  I don't think the point…</p>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wow. How awesomely progressive of them, helping low-income workers by shifting wealth upwards a bit more slowly than they'd previously planned, because the inequities of that plan were just too obvious.</p></blockquote><p>John giveth with one hand <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4786669a23917.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">and taketh away with the other</a>.</p><p>I don't remember the 90 days fire at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:19:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe we need some sort of Wikinews type thing for NZ. The problem with Wikinews is that the coverage depends on what people want to write about, so it's a bit random:</p></blockquote><p>And that they've suddenly bureaucratised the whole thing, which slows down the whole process and turns it away…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:14:53 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Well he's brought back the wig.</p></blockquote><p>Full-time, or only for ceremonial occasions?</p><p>I think Wilson might have worn one at the last state opening.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:07:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Servant on a tea-break.</title>
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						<p>"I'd hope that a lot of bloggers would find it bad etiquette to quote from an online source, and not link to it. And, prevents your readers from seeing the whole article in context."</p><p>You are right Kyle, I am wrong.  But perhaps both give the link, and the paragraph?…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:01:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Maybe we need some sort of Wikinews type thing for NZ. The problem with Wikinews is that the coverage depends on what people want to write about, so it's a bit random:</p><blockquote><p># US F-18 fighter jet crashes in San Diego residential area<br /># Wikimedia, IWF respond to block of…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:00:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What's the "Post" Craig? You mean the Mirror?</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, I meant the Times and the Post in New York &mdash; the Grey Lady and the Crack-head Mugger. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:57:14 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Because select committees are boring. Who pays attention to them? Only people like me.</p></blockquote><p>And here we have the editorial vicious circle...</p><p>ME: Why don't you cover select committees.</p><p>EDITOR: Because they're boring.  And our focus groups say the readers aren't interested either.</p><p>ME: But how do they know, since…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:55:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Liddell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think it will be interesting to see how the new Speaker manages thing, will he fall back to that much detested quiz master manner of old or what<br />I must admit being very dissapointed on our last Speaker but who would want the job, it is hardly surprising that…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:53:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						What's the "Post" Craig? You mean the Mirror?
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						<blockquote><p>Or better, if you can combine it all into one sensational story: "Britney murdered over drunk kitten escapade!"</p></blockquote><p>Oh I'm sure Ian W**hart is linking together a conspiracy as we speak !</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't want to be rude, but I have to ask: If you guys don't like 'Granny herald', how about not linking to its articles?</p></blockquote><p>Not at all. Mainly it's because I don't think it's responsible to engourage opinion about something without at least giving the reader the opportunity to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:48:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I disagree though I accept that there's been some strong criticism of him from time to time.</p></blockquote><p>Of course you would... I think we've had this conversation before, and we're not going to change the other's mind.  But I'm still of the view that the real problem with the <em>Herald</em>…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or better, if you can combine it all into one sensational story: "Britney murdered over drunk kitten escapade!"</p></blockquote><p>You'll never get that in the Herald on Sunday. Where's the property angle?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:43:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If politicians want column inches and face time, why not give it to MPs who are doing their jobs on matters of import (Select Committees are criminally under-reported, IMNSHO), rather than ego-wanking at Question Time?</p></blockquote><p>Because select committees are boring.  Who pays attention to them?  Only people like me.  Wheras…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:41:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think Russell's point was not to get over it or not, but to point out that the author of the article managed to stretch back a whole 24 years, but apparently had no memory of 25 years ago.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:35:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OK so it may have started with Muldoon, could have been even earlier. But I think the Herald has hit the nail on the head &ndash; things really had got out of hand and question time had just become an embarrassment.</p></blockquote><p>Well, Rik, I'd respectfully suggest to the <em>Herald</em> (and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:31:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or before you link, ask yourself 'Should I be creating traffic for the newspaper that thinks Garth George's opinion is worth publishing?' The herald sales your eyeballs to its advertisers, every view on its site is worth money to it.</p></blockquote><p>I'd hope that a lot of bloggers would find it…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OK so it may have started with Muldoon, could have been even earlier. But I think the Herald has hit the nail on the head &ndash; things really had got out of hand and question time had just become an embarrassment.</p></blockquote><p>There was no "golden age".  If you browse through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:30:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't want to be rude, but I have to ask: If you guys don't like 'Granny herald', how about not linking to its articles?</p></blockquote><p>I don't hate the Herald at all, still less its website. And I've been grumpy when the Herald website has quoted Public Address without a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:30:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And he's been gone for a generation, so when are we getting over that?</p></blockquote><p>I think Russell's point was not to get over it or not, but to point out that the author of the article managed to stretch back a whole 24 years, but apparently had no memory of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:29:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or before you link, ask yourself 'Should I be creating traffic for the newspaper that thinks Garth George's opinion is worth publishing?' The herald sales your eyeballs to its advertisers, every view on its site is worth money to it.</p></blockquote><p>That's what Adblock is for.  See no ads, give no…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:29:07 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Probably some issues with pests, as the winters won't necessarily kill annoying bugs any more.</p></blockquote><p>And we can get invaded by nastier bugs from overseas who prefer a warmer climate.  Malaria, anyone?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:28:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Actually, they are a lot like the Obama conspiracy theorists really.</p></blockquote><p>They parallel the <a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=6A37035CA30CCB2CFF63BAC8BA2076E4?diaryId=10342" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">netroots</a> who now fear that Obama will not be progressive enough.  There and here the people who see themselves as "core support" have difficulty accepting that they won't get everything they want and so shout alot.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:27:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Can anyone point me to some data to refute this idea I heard from a friend that...<br />"predicted changes [in climate] for new Zealand would all be good for our agricultural and horticultural industries"</p></blockquote><p>Yes: every report on climate change impacts ever produced in New Zealand.  For example, the [[http://www.maf.govt.nz/climatechange/slm/ag-production/index.htm|EcoClimate…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:24:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Rik: </p><p>My prediction is you'll be seeing Helen Clark again... in about 15 years as the first president of the Repulbic of Aotearoa!!</p><p>Muhahahahahahahaha!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:24:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote>And we're off into the Twilight Zone... Who exactly has had their lips permanently wrapped around John Key's member? Audrey Young &mdash; whose blog debut memorably called Key a liar for accusing her of fabricating quotes? John Armstrong? And how soon we forget when Fran O'Sullivan was calling him "Helen…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:23:30 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>OK so it may have started with Muldoon, could have been even earlier. But I think the Herald has hit the nail on the head &ndash; things really had got out of hand and question time had just become an embarrassment.</p><p>I have to say I am just loving all…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:20:12 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I don't want to be rude, but I have to ask: If you guys don't like 'Granny herald', how about not linking to its articles?</p><p>Or before you link, ask yourself 'Should I be creating traffic for the newspaper that thinks Garth George's opinion is worth publishing?' The herald sales…</p>
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						<p>RE: NZHerald</p><blockquote><p>It's a Tory paper, like the UK Sun and Daily Telegraph. Only thing is, the poms have a choice of buying the Guardian or Mirror. We don't. I haven't bought a paper in over a year and either get my news online or in cafes.</p></blockquote><p>The London Times…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:07:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>I think it will be interesting to see how the new Speaker manages thing, will he fall back to that much detested quiz master manner of old or what<br />I must admit being very dissapointed on our last Speaker but who would want the job, it is hardly surprising that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:07:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:01:34 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>Putative answer #2: it's not as if the Herald has only been fawning over Key since the election &mdash; but it's ever since Brash bailed. That's quite a while to be all loved up.</p></blockquote><p>And we're off into the Twilight Zone...  Who exactly has had their lips permanently wrapped around…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:00:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...But I have been struck by the persistent anger of the winning side's supporters since the election...."</p><p>The online crazies from the right have had nine years to convince themselves New Zealand is a corrupt cesspit in dire need of their version of de-Nazification. Anything less is proof that the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a brilliant theory. Indeed, to find comparable brutishness in the House, one needs to go all the way back to … the Prime Minister immediately preceding Lange.</p></blockquote><p>And he's been gone for a generation, so when are we getting over that?  As for the Moyle Affair &mdash; well, Muldoon…</p>
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				<title>Stephen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"predicted changes [in climate] for new Zealand would all be good for our agricultural and horticultural industries"</p></blockquote><p>Too lazy to point to data, but the east coast will get drier (not so good), and the west will be wetter (meh). Warm temps good for grass growth/dairy farmers in Taranaki, Waikato,…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Actually, The Herald isn't really a TORY paper. it is the mouthpiece of the Auckland business elite. They tend to range from tribal National to monster raving looney ACT in their views. As a group they seem to be largely made up of shiney pants shysters with a sense of…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And Russell the "honeymmon" is called that for a reason...not much news actually but it would be nice if some with a left leaning just got used to the fact that national won...get your head around that and then start pointing out their mistakes.</p></blockquote><p>Eh? Where's the part where I…</p>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<p>Herald tells us that "[t]he Government will introduce legislation this week that is likely to include a change to Kiwisaver policy <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10547073" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">to help low income workers</a>..."</p><p>Wow. How awesomely progressive of them, helping low-income workers by shifting wealth upwards a bit more slowly than they'd previously planned, because the inequities of…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And just another question regarding the ETS.</p><p>Does someone know whether this is a well thought out scheme? I believe we need to do something but some things I've heard about it second hand suggest that while the idea is good the implementation of the ETS is not so good.…</p>
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He was clearly in his element, speaking as he does best without prepared notes and obviously on top of his material.</p></blockquote><p>I thought the problems in the elction campaign came when Key spoke without prepared notes? Or am I confusing him with our new Speaker of the House?<br />I also…</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And Russell the "honeymmon" is called that for a reason</p></blockquote><p>Putative answer #1: Yes, because the father of the bride traditionally provided the groom with mead for the month immediately following the wedding.</p><p>Putative answer #2: it's not as if the Herald has only been fawning over Key since the…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Re climate change</p><p>Can anyone point me to some data to refute this idea I heard from a friend that...<br />"predicted changes [in climate] for new Zealand would all be good for our agricultural and horticultural industries"</p><p>I guess the thinking is if it gets warmer in NZ our crops…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						Have just had a look through the Order Paper and the motion to establish the ETS select committee is in there with the suggested terms of reference &ndash; nothing about reviewing the science of climate change so that's a good thing at least.  Perhaps "Don't be a Rodney" had an…
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Danyl, so which large chunks of the private sector in New Zealand are being saved by the "public service"?</p></blockquote><p>Domestically (to their credit) the government have just let all the failed finance and investment companies die &ndash; but I've lost count of how many times the taxpayer has bailed out…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When do you think the Herald is going to get over this thing with Labour?</p></blockquote><p>Er, never. It's a Tory paper, like the UK Sun and Daily Telegraph. Only thing is, the poms have a choice of buying the Guardian or Mirror. We don't. I haven't bought a paper in…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Danyl, so which large chunks of the private sector in New Zealand are being saved by the "public service"?</p><p>And Russell the "honeymmon" is called that for a reason...not much news actually but it would be nice if some with a left leaning just got used to the fact that…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Talking with such leaders it was apparent that they believe the public service is ill-equipped to provide Key's Cabinet with the strong intellectual leadership now required to ensure skilful responses as the crisis morphs into different phases.</p></blockquote><p>This might make a little more sense if huge chunks of the private…</p>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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