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Women's Refuge missed out on thousands of dollars from a charity luncheon to honour rugby league star Ruben Wiki as fallout continues over the Tony Veitch affair.

Wiki had wanted to donate some of the proceeds from a $170-a-head…

The police summary, if that's what they're quoting, is often a shocker. The one that the arresting officer had written for my arrest was barely literate. I was tempted to demand…

Justin – it is not in front of the court yet therefore there would be no court file.

I beg to disagree. Veitch appeared in court on the 18th where the charges were laid and he was remanded on bail. So there will be a court file, and it will…

Not that there is going to be the same interest in the alleged crime of a poor person from South Auckland as…

At the end of the first day, with the case unfolding at its usual snail's pace, a juror goes home and googles the defendants' names just to remind him or her self what went on at the time.

It took me about 2 minutes with Google to get the names…

What about The NZ Herald?
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Granted, they are indexed in Google, but that wasn't the rule was it?

A year down the track, the case comes to court. At the end of the first day, with the case unfolding at its usual snail's pace, a juror goes home and googles the defendants' names just to remind him…

interpreting existing laws and applying laws is what judges do.
They don't make them as far as I know, isn't that someone else's job

It's the line between judge-made law (better-known as case law) and statute law. Case law is very definitely law, though the machinations of a District Court…

Making law is what judges do

interpreting existing laws and applying laws is what judges do.
They don't make them as far as I know, isn't that someone else's job

Methinks the Judge is making law all by himself. A suppression order is one thing, since it protects the name of the accused in all media, but an Iternet ban is another.

Making law is what judges do. When they make a ruling, they make law. They've got pretty broad…

Raybon Kan wouldn’t be part of the Auckland pseudo-celeb media in-crowd though, would he?

Oh FGS LegBreak.

1. He used to be
2. He'd be great on DWS
3. Can I have a list then please?

(did you catch it Craig?)

Um, yes I did and I also think I'm missing something. Please enlighten me, Julie.

Generally it feels like the things we heard, especially in the early weeks, were perhaps exaggerated at least. Hence it seems to appear to have been presented from the complainant's perspective. I certainly don't think it was 'front footing'…

drama-queenish

ha ha – agreed.

He's been charged with a serious offence, and will be afforded the full rights, privileges and protections as anyone else. He might actually do himself a few favours if he (on the QT) told his more vocal fans to STFU, but that's just me.

agreed.…

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It gives privilege to the print media, which can then charge the customer to release the information – I notice the Herald article says buy tomorrow' s Herald to find out the names. Correspondingly, the ban discriminates against free, unmediated conversations on Internet.

That's an interesting perspective on it Paul.…

That's so weird ...

No you're weird ;-)

Correspondingly, the ban discriminates against free, unmediated conversations on Internet.

It's the conversations he wants to suppress. I do find it interesting. This isn't some guy who has his secretary print out his emails.

Cue nerdy discussion about whether saying something on your twitter feed is actually an internet publication ...

Is it a ban on any internet publication? I ask because the news story only said he banned "news websites".
Ahhh, I see that's now been updated to "online media" which presumedly covers…

I note also the 'kicked down the stairs' angle seems to have died?

Mebbe. We don't actually know that the police evidence has been sighted by anyone but the cops or Team Veitch. Which is the problem.

Perhaps (probably) Team Veitch did release the summary of facts to the media, but I still see that as a fair response in some way.

I don't think so. I don't see the Dunne-Powell's PR company (and I fully accept that this is a case where both sides are well-advised…

Veitch has had more than enough opportunity to clear his name if he had wanted to – and instead all we got was whining from him and his supporters club about how much of a…

Ooh, one of my Twitter friends has just provocatively posted the names of the two murder accused in his Twitter feed!

Cue nerdy discussion about whether saying something on your twitter feed is actually an internet publication ...

On reflection, what Harvey seems to be trying for here, given the…

Linda Hallinan (editor of New Zealand Gardener)

Qantas Supreme Best Magazine winner... of our hearts.

(Seriously, if there's a magazine that beats NZ Gardener, I have yet to find it.)

Perhaps (probably) Team Veitch did release the summary of facts to the media, but…

The panel's a cracker: Finlay Macdonald, Linda Hallinan (editor of New Zealand Gardener) and Wendyl Nissen talking about the magazine market, trends, and how it's bearing up in recessionary times.

We'd need people there at The…

Well, does anyone else remember when David Benson-Pope authorised a staff member to selectively (and misleadingly) "brief" the Herald on Sunday on the contents of the Police report into certain allegations made against him before it was publicly released?

I think that's quite a good comparison.

Raybon Kan wouldn’t be part of the Auckland pseudo-celeb media in-crowd though, would he?

Quite, LegBreak. Or the Old Boys' Club which, as Russell has noted before, sees Paul Holmes (apprently) able to get a major metropolitan daily to basically publish a PR piece at his behest.

Ridge generally comes…

Point taken, however, he could hardly think that there is any real restriction he could put in place that will prevent someone from "Googling someone's name and being able to access it later"... Will not the 'Digital replica' of the Herald be accessible online? Or does that get censored?

The…

Has anyone other than Matthew Ridge actually expressed anything negative about his admitted behaviour?

Raybon Kan wrote very pointed SST columns two weeks in a row when the story broke, condemning the alleged assaults as being "not ok, ever".

not that i've heard. i actually heard a dj on george fm the other day bemoaning his perception that "poor old tony veitch is about to be hung, drawn and quartered".

Really? My rancid little reactionary soul thinks prolonged and satistic public execution would be a ratings winner and delightful…

Has anyone other than Matthew Ridge actually expressed anything negative about his admitted behaviour?

not that i've heard. i actually heard a dj on george fm the other day bemoaning his perception that "poor old tony veitch is about to be hung, drawn and quartered".

poor old tony veitch? never…

But if it turns out that Team Veitch has not only leaked the summary, but selectively leaked it for PR purposes, well, I think there are problems there.

Well, does anyone else remember when David Benson-Pope authorised a staff member to selectively (and misleadingly) "brief" the Herald on Sunday on…

Is the assumption that web content is more easily accessible and therefore in need of more stringent restriction? I am a little confused as to the desired outcome here...

As am I – I love to be Mr Devils Advocate over here, but for the life of me can't find…

Is the assumption that web content is more easily accessible and therefore in need of more stringent restriction? I am a little confused as to the desired outcome here...

It has the smack of experiment to me, as if Harvey has identified a real problem — the internet never forgets,…

One thing that can safely be said is that he's not doing it out of ignorance.

David Harvey is the author of a textbook on NZ cyberlaw, and he probably knows more about the internet on a technical level than any other judge in the country.

Readers may also recall…

I think the sub judice rule – not unlike the Privacy Act – often takes on the shades of meaning of those – in this case defence lawyers – who want it to mean something helpful to them.

Given that the summary is likely to have been provided the journalists…

Time to take an IT refresher course me thinks your honor.

Not for David Harvey it's not. He's probably the most IT-savvy judge we've got, bar none. I've been party to discussions with Justice Harvey on usenet, way back when. His grasp of matters technical is very solid.

That is about the most retarded thing I have heard in a long time.
Time to take an IT refresher course me thinks your honor.

One thing that can safely be said is that he's not doing it out of ignorance.

David Harvey is the author of [[http://www.lexisnexis.co.nz/products/catalog/browse/Computers/internet.asp |a textbook…

From what I saw in the supermarket queue yesterday, there is still a lot of public interest about this. Not justifying it, but it’s there.

And that's my problem right there, LegBreak. I'm personally rather interested in whether Anthony Starr and Tammy Davis great as freaky in real life as…

Speaking of court appearances when does that ex Labour MP Mr Field appear in the dock?

Veitch has had his big public apology and various proxies have popped up to heap scorn on his ex and testify to his character. If we're weighing who has had the most chance to put their side in public, I'd say he's by far had the better of it.

Quite.…

52 more revelations…

Does anyone know how long it is before the Veitch trial goes to court??

says here that itll be at least a year.

Measured in the number of Sundays I guess.

And if online news sites can't publish it, what about…

But what we're seeing now goes beyond tit-for-tat: it's a very methodical working of the media on matters that are now sub judice. I think it really has to stop.

and Craig:

alleging that the Police leaked their own summary to the media.

I don't know about anyone else…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10528866

Wonder when a judge is going to get annoyed enough to charge a conniving legal/pr team for this type of public manipulation on behalf of their client? Or a media outlet for helping them do it?

Yes, yes, yes. The best part would be when the prosecution demanded Discovery -…

Wonder when a judge is going to get annoyed enough to charge a conniving legal/pr team for this type of public manipulation on behalf of their client? Or a media outlet for helping them do it?

Have you always thought this or just today?

And RB; thanks for the pwned link. I still don’t get the pronunciation tip though.

What is the legitimate role of the media in exposing social ills from unverifiable sources?

Well, I think there's a larger question that deserves to be asked — whenever a newspaper editor (not looking at any three in particular) say that they published "in the public interest" then it's worth…

If you did such a thing, and were then found out.... you'd get done for perverting the course of…

What is the legitimate role of the media in exposing social ills from unverifiable sources?

Making quite a bit of money for the shareholders?

Anyway, I think it's fair to discuss media tactics, but we should steer clear of the actual charges and associated claims which are to come before the court.

Too true but that area of media credibility/integrity was the intent of some in previous posts a week or so ago. Generally…

Veitch has said (and we all know) there is two sides to every story, and I think until recently we only heard one (and even then we've only heard one really, Veitch hasn't and can't put across his side of what happened).

Veitch has had his big public apology and…

Should be a quick trial.

Everyone in the jury will be totally familiar with the evidence.

Alleged evidence...

Everyone in the jury will be totally familiar with the evidence.

Woman's Day and possibly others had the same document in hand when the story broke.

I remember seeing in the Herald on Sunday, the day before the Monday the story broke, a blind item in the gossip pages about a celebrity who'd paid off an ex-lover he'd assaulted.

I'm going to start taking signatures for a referendum to make it legal to give your woman a few corrective kicks in the back/legs when it's necessary in the course of being a good husband/partner.

You mean for those have multiple thousands for partner payouts? You mean for the poor..?!…

Yeah, there's a good chance that Dunne-Powell had nothing directly to do with the leak, but from the way it played out and some of the inital hyperbole I think we can safely…

But what we're seeing now goes beyond tit-for-tat: it's a very methodical working of the media on matters that are now sub judice. I think it really has to stop.

Certainly does, because it now seems that Veitch and his proxies are beginning to lay the ground work for arguing…

Clearly someone on team Dunne-Powell leaked the initial allegations

Well, Dylan, I don't think we should be assuming that at all. A time-honoured (if extremely risky) strategy is to 'front foot' an ugly story, in the hope that however bad it is you at least have it breaking on your…

Clearly someone on team Dunne-Powell leaked the initial allegations, and all the other information that followed it.

I don't think the actual sequence of events is that clear, and I get the impression that the D-P side didn't really want to go to court, but yes, it seems that the…

Clearly someone on team Dunne-Powell leaked the initial allegations, and all the other information that followed it. Veitch has said (and we all know) there is two sides to every story, and I think until recently…

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