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Russell Brown

Wed, 05 Sept 2012 13:40:18 +1200

Yay. Ema Lyon and Wendy Lee's new d.vice advice book has just arrived. It's really good !

Matthew Littlewood

Wed, 05 Sept 2012 09:42:58 +1200

If you get the chance, catch the recent Michelle William’s film Take This Waltz for the shower scene featuring female bodies of all kinds of shape. So rare in movies.

Yes, I wonder whether the fact the film was directed by a young woman ( the excellent Sarah Polley) had…

WH

Wed, 05 Sept 2012 00:05:11 +1200

You will never see a vagina in advertising. We’ve only just got to the point where it’s all right to say vagina – in an ad for a “feminine hygiene product”, that only airs after the watershed. If we were all “sex is so boring and dull we’re all so…

Tony Siu

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 21:35:55 +1200

Oooh, why am I not in the country for this?

DexterX

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 19:48:35 +1200

Our generation

The ageing hipsters; demographically that’s a fair few cohorts past the point of no return.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 18:45:26 +1200

If we were all “sex is so boring and dull we’re all so over-exposed”, it should be no more controversial to say ‘vagina’ than to say ‘leg’.

And anyone who agrees with Larkin that sexual intercourse began "between the end of the Chatterley Ban / and the Beatles' first LP"…

Geoff Lealand

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 15:49:41 +1200

If you get the chance, catch the recent Michelle William's film Take This Waltz for the shower scene featuring female bodies of all kinds of shape. So rare in movies.

Lilith __

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 15:06:26 +1200

in particular, when your whole body is this awesome weapon, it’s really easy to forget your embarrassment of it.

The concept that bodies can be for doing stuff and not just for being looked at? Awesome.

BenWilson

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 13:47:42 +1200

Hard to be sure if self-selection isn't at work with that, though. Anyone who had a real problem with the clothes might be put off the sport from the start, before they even walked in the door.

But I agree, self-confidence can definitely be lifted by that kind of training,…

Heather Gaye

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 13:06:18 +1200

Body confidence seems more related to other kinds of confidence.

I guess so, but a feedback loop is highly credible – other kinds of confidence might well be eroded by a loss of body confidence too.

I wonder if there's perhaps a difference in attitudes between the two sexes?

In…

BenWilson

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 12:29:56 +1200

but I've noticed no correlation

I guess figures are the only way to be sure of a correlation on something like this. I do see one, but of course it's nowhere near 100%. Mostly the perception comes from people who have changed their behavior as their shape has changed.

Body…

Emma Hart

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 11:37:18 +1200

I think we're not afraid of nudity so much as embarrassed about not having perfect bodies. People who are super buff have no shame, so far as I can see. You wouldn't bother with all the trouble of buffing to then not let everyone see.

Nah, I completely disagree. I…

BenWilson

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 10:26:09 +1200

Why have we become so fearful of our own nudity?

Chris Waugh

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 00:11:28 +1200

It’s pretty unusual to see a top less man even. Why have we become so fearful of our own nudity?

Or, perhaps, fearful of melanoma?

WH

Tue, 04 Sept 2012 00:09:33 +1200

Immersion in our cultural moment has created a sort of sexuality fatigue, a sense that what was once evocative is now either an empty cliche or a frightening political battleground.

I think people resent being so overtly manipulated by writers with axes to grind and advertisers with products to sell.…

Samuel Scott

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 23:20:07 +1200

I do remember a fair bit casual nudity at BBQs from when I was very young (in the early 80s). I can't imagine any female of my generation going topless at a social event, nor a man wearing little undies type shorts away from a serious amount of water. It's…

Steve Parks

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 22:15:21 +1200

I notice they've allowed comments after the original article by Joshua Drummond, but not after Colin Craig's response.

Ross Mason

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 14:30:35 +1200

Lyndon:

http://publicaddress.net/up-front/choice-bro/

Lyndon Hood

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 12:08:21 +1200

He’s a pretty rum sort of Christian conservative

Just as long as you don't say his opinions are religious, you should apparently be safe http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/columnists/7600406/Correction-Joshua-Drummond-column

Phil fryer

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 11:37:01 +1200

Teenage years growing up in Auckland,Rolling Stones at the Civic,,The Beatle Inn, & the
Pow Wow club, all I care to say about,lust is, generous morality seems to be the great kiwi way, with more action than talk, & it don't seem to matter, if ya straight,bi,gay,trans,or just fem friendly, it NEVER…

Russell Brown

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 11:21:20 +1200

Yes . We'll be recording from 5.30 sharp.

Sacha

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 11:16:02 +1200

I am bringing up a vanload of students up to join the audience of Media3 that night

Filming will be earlier too – may need to change plans. Ask Russell

BenWilson

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 10:48:29 +1200

Have we seen the "pornification" of society?

And did porn itself drive this, or is it simply an offshoot of what society is already becoming?

There is relatively little sexual display in our culture.

Is there? What constitutes sexual display?

Russell Brown

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 10:26:04 +1200

I remember that book – I recall being mildly hypochondrialised by the VD section. Ironic given my utter lack of any opportunity to contract one.

I have a copy and I know what you mean. Eeew.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 10:11:24 +1200

I'm glad I had Felicity Tuohy and Michael Murphy's Down Under the Plum Trees to guide me in my teenage years.
...and their Itch magazine helped, along with Alister Taylor producing a local version of the Little Red Schoolbook ...

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 09:38:02 +1200

Oh, bugger. I am bringing up a vanload of students up to join the audience of Media3 that night and, as much as I wish I could, I can't really take them on to the museum. Might warp their innocent little minds.
Roger Horrick's Len Lye performance opens that night…

andin

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 09:04:05 +1200

But do some of us also feel a bit wearied by the sexualised world of local celebrities, by the parade of smooth brown pecs and boobs in The GC?
Its those frustrated TV execs at it, or not. Thinking LCD...LCD....LCD

Have we seen the “pornification” of society?
They just make…

Jackie Clark

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 07:47:36 +1200

It would be great to meet you!

Ben Austin

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 07:31:43 +1200

Thanks Russell

Surely RNZ has a saucy watershed?

Russell Brown

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 07:15:43 +1200

Will this talk be available via podcast?

Now you mention it, yes. Radio NZ will be recording them for broadcast. It's possible they might baulk at the stronger parts, though :-)

Ben Austin

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 06:57:39 +1200

Will this talk be available via podcast?

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Mon, 03 Sept 2012 06:26:14 +1200

Ha, Patricia Bartlett! I remember my mum saying she'd sent PB her books in the hope she'd call for them to be banned, because it would be good publicity. No such luck... I don't know if that meant PB thought they were too tame, couldn't be bothered (i.e. was picking…

Sacha

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 22:25:50 +1200

The Feelers

how appropriate :)

Jeremy Andrew

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 22:20:04 +1200

Being as I'm actually in Auckers next Thursday, I might well pop along. Given that my other choice is The Feelers (and Minuit, to be fair) at the Cloud I'm only torn because it includes copious free beer paid for by Microsoft (they SO owe me!).

Jeremy Andrew

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 22:15:45 +1200

I remember that book – I recall being mildly hypochondrialised by the VD section. Ironic given my utter lack of any opportunity to contract one.

Lilith __

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 22:11:31 +1200

There won’t be just talk on Thursday night.

Goodness, you made me choke on my milo!

We had two different heterosexual men lined up, but they both genuinely had to, erm, withdraw.

You haven't even got two heterosexuals to rub together?

Will de Cleene

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 20:06:31 +1200

I'm glad I had Felicity Tuohy and Michael Murphy's Down Under the Plum Trees to guide me in my teenage years. This NZ written and researched "resource on sex and social development" featured dozens of candid interviews with teenagers and others on every taboo subject known to the SPCS circa…

Public Address

Sun, 02 Sept 2012 20:06:31 +1200

Discussion from blog post.