Maybe another time.

I got time and patience but it aint unlimited.

I'd love to knock the chip of his shoulder :)

and your mention of disc covers, have you seen the new redesign?
There are no track listings on the outside of the cover. If you've got the disc in the player and want to know what track 10 is you have to either eject the dic and read it on…

but hey we don't complain when foppish indy bands sound pommy or crap reggae bands sound jamaican

Um, yes we do complain, the whole point of nz on air was Our Voice. you shouldn't be ashamed of your own accent or have to fake it to be accepted in your…

Chris Hocquard would be my choice for next NZoA head.

not bad, good knowledge and experience, loves music, smooth dresser, proven track record in philanthropic endeavors (ie does things for free to help his community)

wonder if there's anyone with radio experience that would be good for the plugging team,…

I have absolutely no indie rock cred. I was talking more hiphop street cred. Keeping it real :)

my point being if you're going to biff out the old school then you should have a new candidate who can do better in mind.

who's got cred in your book? (excluding…

I was in melbourne last week and had radio their explained to me although I didn't catch it all.
I visited pbs thinking it was like community radio but their studio and facilities were pretty big. They had a roister of specialists shows…

Indie cred ??? fuck indie cred,

maybe you're taking indie cred to mean indie rock cred, I meant it like your young turks phrase. ie not making life easy for yourself.

if you going to set up a system that only looks after your interests then expect to be fucked…

Maybe it's…

Isnt it funny how the young turks become the old boys.

I've noted this point before. maybe thats part of growing up. you lose your idealism and drive to rebel.

I was trying to think of some people who were notable young turks and had become part of the establishment…

but please try and bear in mind that it's my house.

that's an interesting concept.

It's a fact.

without prejudice I see what you're saying re paying for and responsibility for the site etc,
The interesting concept bit (said without sarcasm) is to what degree can someone call a section…

and implied I was lying when I explained the delay in him responding to the discussion. That's the kind of thing that annoys me.

I was winding you up, taking the piss, I thought it was amusing, and certainly…

I know we are all about getting everyone involved here, but even by PAS standards this thread is intimidating to the common folk.

I was actually interested in getting kyle's view on things, from the non involved average kiwi thing, but it was not to be.
Its hard to get…

I would have stuck my oar in earlier, but forgive my humble self, a mere member of the public, for not having anything much…

Why not? I think you've both arrived somewhere really special over the last twenty-one pages...

sam sam sam sam,

i'm taking it your comment was a sarcastic one, I'm sure hoping so cos there's not nearly enough of it in the world.
20 pretty reasonable pages of interesting and indepth…

So what have we learnt or achieved ??? Well apart from having a good ol grizzle and whine with a large chunk of rant thrown in and the rare appearance…

Oh, don't be so pompous.

I wasn't. try not to read it as such?
its a legitimate distinction. I didn't say ego boosting site, which would have been pompus, I said fan site, the best term I could find to describe a site supporting an entity.

but you do have…

but please try and bear in mind that it's my house.

that's an interesting concept.

It's a fact.

I don't know that I agree with you entirely on that.
My understanding is public…

_Who's the band, Rob ... ? I would genuinely like to know because, despite our philosophical differences, I am interested in what knowledgeable people in the industry consider to be "one of the best bands (they've) seen in 10 years".

Why would you think you have more insight and knowledge…

I've sort of given up on that.

well don't. I've given you kudos for a few things on here and am happy to do so, give credit where credits due. I've not seen one acknowledgment of my experience, or potential insight into issues.
I've been dealing with grant systems for…

my problem is that I suspect that, your problem is you say things like the above and expect me to treat you with respect.

I've sort of given up on that.

do you really think I'm that stupid, that I haven't given any thought to this. I'm asking for clarification,…

I always liked that Beatles' tune "Please Please Me". It was Lennon trying to sound like Roy Orbison, a guy from the southern USA.

but the beatles weren't going for funding from a govt organisation set up to promote indigenous culture and identity as stated clearly in their mission statement.…

Your problem is that you believe that.

my problem is that I suspect that, your problem is you say things like the above and expect me to treat you with respect.

do you really think I'm that stupid, that I haven't given any thought to this. I'm asking for clarification,…

I have a problem with a funding organisation being one mans vision.

Your problem is that you believe that.

Homework for you Brendon, if you don't know, if you can't hear it if it doesn't grate with you, if your radar ain't tuned to that frequency, then why are you doing in that job?

I always liked that Beatles' tune "Please Please Me". It was Lennon trying to sound…

if you don't know, if you can't hear it if it doesn't grate with you, if your radar ain't tuned to that frequency, then why are you doing in that job?

that's a very good point very well put (except for why should have been what are you doing in…

... the imitation North American accent ...

Which artists do you mean, Mark ... ?

Homework for you Brendon, if you don't know, if you can't hear it if it doesn't grate with you, if your radar ain't tuned to that frequency, then why are you doing in that job?…

36. Functions of the Commission

The functions of the Commission are :

(a) To reflect and develop New Zealand identity and culture by:

• i. promoting programmes about New Zealand and New Zealand interests; and,

I wonder if music is considered a program? probably a loop hole in there somewhere.

(a) Consult from time to time with :

• i. Persons who have an interest in New Zealand broadcasting and the production of programmes in New Zealand;

shall I book you a session?

37. Promotion of New Zealand content in programming
(d) Ensure that, in its funding of sound radio broadcasting, reasonable provision is made to assist in the production and broadcasting of drama programmes and in the broadcasting of New Zealand music.

Statutory Functions

seems it is nz on airs job to…

Its great having 20/20 retro vision and an understanding of history but surely a vision for the future and an ability to implement change at the right time is more important.

I think both are important.
There's preserving heritage and culture, and there's enabling new culture to develop.
I think…

et al are forgetting is that the NZ On Air doesn't just sit around doing what it wants.

not forgetting, questioning.
I have a problem with a funding organisation being one mans vision.
I've asked questions to determine how much of the policy we see enacted comes from Brendan and…

Where in the world would you get the head of a govt funding agency personally entering an online debate?

well this small countries a good start for political figures to have direct interaction with the people they serve. Helen Clark's set a bloody good example in that respect, on everything…

more than tour, he was an original member of The Mockers when they were a classy little garage band from Wellington.

yeehaaa jobs for the boys...:)

I can see him coming down real hard on BS and his mates over a glass of merlot down at the boys own club.…

I think one think that Rob et al are forgetting is that the NZ On Air doesn't just sit around doing what it wants.

Which I think was kinda the point I was trying to make pages back...please don't attack the messenger.

That said, I do think that the board…

Wow! Where in the world would you get the head of a govt funding agency personally entering an online debate?

Back in the day on NZmusic.com, every time there was a new NZ on Air funding round announced there would be a lot of, uh, robust debate on the forums,…

I presume that NZ on Air were involved in the decisions about youth radio, and quotas in some way, providing information.

I was on an advisory group that developed ideas for a YRN. I was pretty clear in my head that we weren't being paid to lobby for a YRN,…

Besides I'm still not sold on the correlation between video play and radio play.

And you are right now. There used to a much closer correlation..ie video play was like the radio play with pretty dancing girls....a play on the Sunday morning TV video show was gold for record and…

Surely artistic values of a leading production company should count for something rather than just airplay potential.

So nevermind it's a shit tune, the video is going to be amazing because Chris Cunningham has agreed to direct it? You're confusing NZOA with Creative NZ or the Film Fund.

Of…

Agreed Kyle, but there are a couple of partially Govt funded bodies that are able to lobby, and perhaps should be for a system that no longer seems to be quite working as well as it should or perhaps could.

Yeah, there's a boundary between policy advice, and lobbying.

I…

It would be an inappropriate use of taxpayer money for a government department or other entity to lobby government to change policy. Departments implement policy, and advise, lobbying is totally outside their brief.

Agreed Kyle, but there are a couple of partially Govt funded bodies that are able to lobby,…

As with national forests there can and should be conditions of use.
ripping down natives and putting in pines shouldn't be accepted for either of these resources.

Yes, I kinda agree Rob. All business, in NZ at least, is required to work within rules that mean that the conduct of…

Why not a lobbyiest, someone representing the the interests of NZ Music to govt (as they do to an extent with plans for new schemes etc), pushing full on for quotas, extended national radio, etc etc.

It would be an inappropriate use of taxpayer money for a government department or…

but can we at least acknowledge:

I did
and I do. that was a big step forward from the last 5 years, and kudos to the man for entering debate and doing so in an intelligent and credible manner. He was dismissive on his first entry but made up for…

validates Roberry & Dubmugga's

that was dubmugga's idea point, which struck me as so bleeding obvious I don't know why it isn't part of the process.
independent analysis.

So nevermind it's a shit tune, the video is going to be amazing because Chris Cunningham has agreed to direct it?

he does have a point though. no point in giving money to a good song if they're going to fuck up the vid and make everyone cringe.
surely in…

embarrassing yes, but not really NZOA's job is it?

an aside, not aimed at nz on air. bit of a fuck up on the bands part though.

Again, unfair on NZOA

again. not aimed an nz on air specifically, more a comment on the current environment for artists. one of…

That remains to be seen. Both Brooke and Opshop are just now launching US and UK campaigns (respectively).

Hi Brendan,
I wish both artist well, as i do any NZ musician, but lets be honest, neither is accompanied by a major release of their respective albums.

Re: Fat Freddies..I have…

How about a hiphop artist with a massive groundswell of grassroots support and making tunes no different in style than any other contemporary american ie gangsta booty ???

you mean like low riders and bitches and drivebye shootings gangsta?
you're saying someone in chch is making that kind of music?

we go to the artists and ask them for more information about themselves, the song, the recording plan, the release plan, etc and we select the five that have the best combination of song and plan.

Release plan ??? as in a CD single release for an unknown artist ???…

What is this mysterious airplay potential recognition thing you and PDs can see considering you haven't even seen the video yet ?

What are some of the other deciding factors re: video and new recording grants? At what stage in the process do you consult radio PD's about new recording…

I'm talking there about funding. We were talking before about how we tracklist the hit discs.

ok, understood,
so who from the music community do you consult, your nick bollinger types, your cheese on toast types, your blink jorgnesen types, the people recognised on the street as being in touch…

... you were specifically talking about radio programmers, here's the full quote in context ...

I'm talking there about funding. We were talking before about how we tracklist the hit discs.

Which artists do you mean, Mark ... ?

he could mean good night nurse, they do a good american accent.
jody lloyd could fill you in on all the hip hop acts that do fake accents for you.

... not putting any band names on this list ...

Email me off list.

as I say ... that's with music videos and at one stage in the new artists scheme process where we are funding radio singles ... but not with the hit discs.

no you were specifically talking about radio programmers, here's the full quote in context.

we have not given the…

Who's the band,

thanks brendan
the band played at the chart burning questions concert. your team should have reported back to you on them. I'm not putting any band names on list cos some people are tossers and prejudice their opinions on internet chat.

I doubt they've ever applied for…

... the imitation North American accent ...

Which artists do you mean, Mark ... ?

... so what's the consulting broadcasters and getting their feedback bit about if its not about consulting and getting feedback?

As I say ... that's with music videos and at one stage in the new artists scheme process where we are funding radio singles ... but not with the hit…

... want to know what I did with my day? Met with one of the best bands I've seen in 10 years, to help em record an album off their own backs and mine ...

Who's the band, Rob ... ? I would genuinely like to know…

UK campaigns (respectively).

if only those pesky visa requirements didn't get in the way. a little embarrassing.

We don't consult or get feedback from radio when we are tracklisting the Kiwi Hit Disc.

the quote I consulted from your original post

The reality is that when we are making decisions about which songs to fund, we research those songs with the broadcasters. Yes ... that's true. We…

We need to be more brutal in forcing radio to play Fat Freddies and the ilk

Let us not forget that Fat Freddy sold 45,000 copies before they allowed a song to be taken to commercial radio (a great achievement and if I had a hat, I…

I may be proved wrong but Opshop and Brooke Fraser are exactly the sort of NZ records that don't stand a shot outside NZ

That remains to be seen. Both Brooke and Opshop are just now launching US and UK campaigns (respectively).

you get 'feedback' as in you ask them what they like and then act accordingly. that's got to shape the disc don't you think

No ... not with the Kiwi Hit Disc. See my original post –

" ... we took the tracklist job in-house using our own ears and…

I haven't heard them played much outside of kiwi.
missed hits? why aren't stations playing this stuff?

Oh ... I don't claim credit for their life's work. It's just a statement of fact.

its part of the story, sure, but to assess the true effect of it on their present success we'd need more info than that band at the top of the charts got nz on…

... I'd love to see that 20% NZ Airplay figure broken down into formats and stations

Can't do station-by-station. That is information that we are not privy to. But format-by-format ... in the March 2008 quarter (the latest quarter) –

* Pop – 13.11%
*…

No ... I'm saying (in my original too long post) that we don't poll commercial radio when we are tracklisting the discs.

you get 'feedback' as in you ask them what they like and then act accordingly. that's got to shape the disc don't you think?

Now I'm confused. You're saying we are not doing our job by not exercising judgment and when I say we do, you tell me off again?

no I'm saying NZ on Air "the organisation" should exercise judgment but that I lack faith in the present staff. That you should have…

... before you go grabbing the entire credit for their (The Brunettes, The Ruby Suns, etc) life's work

Oh ... I don't claim credit for their life's work. It's just a statement of fact.

after polling commercial radio

No ... I'm saying (in my original too long post) that we don't poll commercial radio when we are tracklisting the discs.

... who are you and your team again. you've described yourself as a glorified bean counter ... who's got the sociology and philosophy degree there

Now I'm confused. You're saying we are not doing our job by not exercising judgement and when I say we do, you tell me off…

few years back and merged

and I take it now student radio pds don't get asked anymore, since you're picking the tracks yourself after polling commercial radio?

Unfair ... I do ... !

I've never read it in your interviews. perhaps the media edits it out.
I wouldn't expect to read it either as I'm sure you have to justify your performance and to undermine that with "we hardly did anything, it was all channel z and…

you don't normally if ever mention any other factors either

Unfair ... I do ... !

have you got that link please

Go to www.radioscope.co.nz and go to Charts and then NZ40 Airplay.

what's the split in terms of resources devoted to each sector ... you said $800000 for national/bnet?

No ... the $800,000 is what we currently spend on the New Zealand music work of the b.nets and specialist radio shows on Kiwi. It doesn't include Radio New Zealand which is something…

I have never said anywhere that NZ On Air can claim all the credit.

you don't normally if ever mention any other factors either.

The point I was trying to make is that music made by New Zealander's is a reflection of our culture and identity;

that's pretty fuzzy.

if bands in nz started playing African tribal music would that be considered part of our identity and culture?

there are recognisable qualities to past…

I notice you avoided my question on the actual part nz on air played in the increase (of New Zealand music on the radio)

I have never said anywhere that NZ On Air can claim all the credit. That would be arrogant and well ... plain wrong. The transformation from…

are you talking top 40 across all music or top 40 nz songs on nz radio?

The latter. The 40 most-played New Zealand songs on New Zealand radio.

so you decided to take the commercial radio course of action, devote 4/5ths of the…

yes, but do it with the directives of the act in mind. fund that which reflects our culture and identity ...

The point I was trying to make is that music made by New Zealanders is a reflection of our culture and identity; that culture includes popular music culture; that…

If you look at the 40 most-played songs on New Zealand radio at the moment (www.radioscope.co.nz), none is Crowded House or Split Enz.

that link didn't work. are you talking top 40 across all music or top 40 nz songs on nz radio?
Its an exaggeration sure but you get…

We made a policy choice back in 1991 to tackle commercial radio ...

... who are you to go changing the rules ...

The Act doesn't say "commercial radio" or "public radio", it simply says "radio" ... which we interpret to mean "all radio". We have policies in place for…

interesting point re labour coming in on a quota platform which they didn't install.

you are supposed to implement govt policy but…

But has radio really changed ... do they know much more past crowded house and split enz

That's unfair. If you look at the 40 most-played songs on New Zealand radio at the moment www.radioscope.co.nz, none is Crowded House or Split Enz.

you mean like a quota?

There are plenty of other angles to the issue and its solution. Strengthening public radio, and existing supporters of local, and working for a quota are some of those routes

would a quota have given you leverage ... youth radio network was leverage

Just to…

Sorry. Will do better next time ...

:) good one brendan, at least you have a sense of humor.

for future net etiquette it's better to break your posts up into smaller points

Sorry. Will do better next time ...

How so ? It's not like they fund artists for non commercial radio...

well if it revolved around all radio equally then there wouldn't be the issues there are now. They canned the indie hit disc cos they didn't see the point in catering to that market which they saw…

have to let everyone else know who we are when we act like cocks.

who are you? I googled rodgerd and go some porn site

Is there any special reason some posters are allowed to shit the place up behind anonymous handles? The rest of us, after all, have to let everyone else know who we are when we act like…

Why does funding all have to revolve around radio ?

it presently revolves around 'commercial' radio. An important distinction.

How so ? It's not like they fund artists for non commercial radio...

Why does funding all have to revolve around radio ?

it presently revolves around 'commercial' radio. An important distinction.

The guidelines as I read them do not support this, that's brendans personal interpretation.

There is regional funding in the guise of creative communities but their funding is in the range…

True but you don't want to be giving funding to an act just because the come from a certain city

Goes without saying they'd have to have a good tune or 2 as well. Regional funding would also foster healthy competition between centres which can only be a good thing.…

Should we just assume people in different places like the same music then ? Compare sth aux tastes to chch to welli central ? Theres a big difference eh. Even in hiphop theres regional differences in musical output.

True but you don't want to be giving funding to an act…

but please try and bear in mind that it's my house.

that's an interesting concept.

I don't know that I agree with you entirely on that.
My understanding is public address is an open discussion forum, and this is your blog in that forum. It depends on if you see…

I'm not so much for regional funding

Should we just assume people in different places like the same music then ? Compare sth aux tastes to chch to welli central ? Theres a big difference eh. Even in hiphop theres regional differences in musical output.

The idol audition thing, well…

And yeah thats why i suggested regional funding though a liaison person who knows the local scene

I like your idea of local knowledge person,
I'm not so much for regional funding as for making sure your location doesn't handicap you for funding, because there is a lack of regional…

I don't think you know you're doing it, but please try and bear in mind that it's my house. Most of all, try not to imply I'm lying. That does tick me off a bit.

noted on the imply lie thing. For the record I don't think you would knowingly…

dubmugga
you're chch, no wonder you're angry :)
I'd love to see the stats on distribution of grants regionally.
including how many applications were received from different areas and how many grants given to those areas.

Not so much angry as frustrated. And yeah thats why i suggested regional funding…

Ive been critical of you on various occasions.

You've been directly insulting on various occasions. I don't think you know you're doing it, but please try and bear in mind that it's my house. Most of all, try not to imply I'm lying. That does tick me off a bit.…

You've been insulting towards me on various occasions,

Ive been critical of you on various occasions.
The point of my comments was to criticise you.
you've done the same on many an occasion and I show you the same degree of respect you show me. As I said I'm not…

I'm not trying to make friends with you Russell, and especially not Brendan. I'm trying to challenge what you say and what he's done.

Rob, these threads all seem to go the same way. You don't really pay attention to what anyone else says, you bait people with lame-arsed taunts…

It was a worthy scheme as envisaged by Brendan and intended to create a catalogue of material that radio should be able to play, and give the act something to build on.

yes it is a good concept, and one that should have been taken up by another dept. definitely…

that's a pretty sweet deal.
so its 50000 copies to repay completely the funding.
not many local albums hit that though do they?

A surprising number used to, but no longer.

come on simon, you're not getting that one through.
especially in the digital downloads age where apparently people are rebelling against "having to buy an album of crap for the one song they like"

Yes but the scheme,which pre-dates the digital era, was dependent on the act having three songs…

No, you pay back a dollar an album from record one, on NZ sales.

that's a pretty sweet deal.
so its 50000 copies to repay completely the funding.
not many local albums hit that though do they?

Singles generally come from albums, surely?

come on simon, you're not getting that one through.
especially in the digital downloads age where apparently people are rebelling against "having to buy an album of crap for the one song they like"

I personally like full albums, but they don't play them…

Honestly

I'm not trying to make friends with you Russell, and especially not Brendan. I'm trying to challenge what you say and what he's done.
I'm pissed off with brendan and the way he's run NZ on Air, which is a common feeling amongst musicians, hardly revolutionary, and believe me…

not a bad idea I guess. does it work? does anyone actually hit break even on albums

No, you pay back a dollar an album from record one, on NZ sales.

, cos albums don't get played, singles do,

Singles generally come from albums, surely?

phase for is the $50000 for an album thing?
that would be in direct contradiction to the whole broadcasting aspect for a start (smyth goes on about how he's in the broadcasting buiness), cos albums don't get played, singles do,
and one would think you…

of you being a dick. Honestly

nice to know we share mutual feelings russell, I like your internet news stuff though, if that counts for anything?

can you elaborate on a battle or 2 that you know about that nz on air got involved in.

Phase 4 for a start. The concept was Brendan's I believe and the concept is good. And he initially, one might say bravely, battled for it under a National Government, although…

Have I been combative to you?
no?

then ...... what u getting so upset about?

He wouldn't be the first to simply get weary of you being a dick. Honestly.

And that's just a couple of pages.

and I'm offended by your choice of quotes, I've been a lot nastier than any of those. some of em even have smilies in them.
if they'd had some swear words in them so all caps words and exclamation marks I'd take your…

Non combative like (to quote yourself)?:

are you the target of those comments?
no?

are you brendans mum?
no?

Have I been combative to you?
no?
then ...... what u getting so upset about?

I'll save my debate for another time.

I was looking forward to discussing down to the…

can you elaborate on a battle or 2 that you know about that nz on air got involved in.

I haven't seen any signs of cunning or fighting from NZ on Air. They seem to…

in a non combative way.

Non combative like (to quote yourself)?:

I am rude about it now

It's sarcasm, a defense mechanism used by cynical smart asses to deflate feelings of incredulity and frustration.

Apparently he's so out of the loop in his search for public opinion and debate on…

But if this couldn't be achieved under the current government, it sure as hell ain't gonna happen under anyone else.

I agree. I actually don't think the nz on air charter is flawed, I think its objectives are good, but that for what ever reason it hasn't achieved them.

So…

Unless we are requiring 20% across all formats, all stations, and coupling that with a targeted digital approach, we are wasting our time and money.

But if this couldn't be achieved under the current government, it sure as hell ain't gonna happen under…

None...that was because of the link up with Universal Records in NZ.

But sure, NZ on Air provided funding for Savage and it could be the beginnings of a success story, just as…

Very doubtful. It's more likely that their deal with Universal Music Publishing was the clincher there.

Well if that's the case then what role did NZ on Air have in getting that deal?

I don't know anything about Savage or his career. I just wonder what he'd say if he…

ignored by radio who didn't even give the song the time of day.

do you think its part of nz on airs job to find ways for content to be played?
I agree there are many many "should have been hits" that didn't get the punt from commercial radio. Obviously…

Maybe NZ on Air played a part in that?

Very doubtful. It's more likely that their deal with Universal Music Publishing was the clincher there.

Shihad appear on Kiwihits disks 24 times, dating back to 1993.
Fur Patrol 13 times.
Salmonella Dub 18 times.
Goodshirt 8 times.

All seem to…

New Zealand Music Topic + robbery = Thread of Eternal Life

:)

did I get the record for longest thread?
The drm one has to be a contender

Thread That Wouldn't Die

New Zealand Music Topic + robbery = Thread of Eternal Life

Is this the new Thread That Wouldn't Die?

RadioScope100 | May 18 2008

Duffy – Mercy

With a second week as the most-played track on New Zealand radio, Mercy by Duffy is a 'secret' no longer. It was for a long time though. When her manager, Jeannette Lee, co-owner of Rough Trade…

be a dick

dude, got to calm down.
I have no idea what your feeling are on disaster relief, and I really don't care cos I wasn't talking about it, I was using the scenario to illustration by example, I was taking the criteria of funding nz music and using…

eh? Stay on topic.

ok, noted, kyle can't handle lateral thinking.

Well if you're going to be a dick and get personal.

Your parallel between how I've argued about the funding for NZ on Air, and how you've painted me as feeling about disaster relief, is completely made up, wrong,…

eh? Stay on topic.

ok, noted, kyle can't handle lateral thinking.

local bands breaking through on their own, through hard slog ground up gigging (remembering this was the hey day of Shihad, Salmonella, Fur Patrol, Good Shirt etc),

Well.

Shihad appear on Kiwihits disks 24 times, dating back to 1993.
Fur Patrol 13 times.
Salmonella Dub 18 times.
Goodshirt 8 times.…

what do you think is the objective of funding music?
is it an employment thing, getting kiwi's employed in the music industry?
is it a cultural thing, art and heritage etc?
if you think its an employment thing why not pick any other industry and fund…

A few typos in that last one.

tell me about it,

is it ok for that money to be used by noN affected people?
They're people and theY'RE benefiting from the money just like a homeless and hungry disaster victim would. by your reckoning that's a good result and everything…

...and how much of that kiwiness will still be present in his next output for the US market ?

That really depends on what the A&R person who signed them thinks he is buying into. I don't know but I'd guess it's the point of difference (and the fact that it's…

But let's be honest, as much as they might try, it doesn't sound anything like US hip-hop. Which is why it works.

Maybe not, but tonally he sounds a lot like JaRule

...and how much of that kiwiness will still be present in his next output for the US market…

Whatever happened to denver ???

In Wellington with the Krisnas I think. Lovely guy, with a huge talent.

Not much kiwi about selling hiphop to the world either but the point is, it won't cost 220k of tax payer money to foister savage to a global market cos at least the market wants him to start with.

But let's be honest, as much as they might try, it…

BTW i was reading Katchafire have recieved in the last 6 yrs of NZoA and music commish funding, 14 music grants, 3 phase 4 album grants including a 20k hit to push them onto US radio. All up grants totalling 220 000 dollars.

Not bad for a…

"..Kiwi FM which is 100% NZ..."
"...creating NZ musicians, many with releases both inside and outside NZ was ineligible for funding."

And previously commercial radio carried what... 2% of NZ music. Now they're carrying up to 20%?

No, they are not. That 20% figure is averaged across ALL radio, including B-Net which is heavily NZ and Kiwi FM which is 100 NZ NZ. All that 2% figure indicated was that they…

Surely the 2% figure is pretty clear indication that NZ music wasn't making it in the commercial market, and now, in the NZ on Air environment, it's doing a lot better.

firstly you're assuming that that 20% is made up predominantly of music nz on air funded, and that nz…

I don't get why you think that 'mainstream music' that gets played on commercial radio doesn't deserve the support of NZ on Air.

Because it says clearly in the nz on air charter that

NZ On Air will allocate funding so that programmes and broadcasts that wouldn't otherwise be made…

Because it says clearly in the nz on air charter that

NZ On Air will allocate funding so that programmes and broadcasts that wouldn't otherwise be made…

But the thing is Kyle, it largely doesn't get covered. Have a look at that Radioscope Chart I posted. The 20% is not applied evenly across all formats and stations.

I agree that all pop music made in NZ is NZ music. I'm not making qualitative judgments but I'd be…

Talking ratios, The Radioscope Top 100 Airplay chart, which I look at once a week or two, is showing 10% NZ this week (which I think its quite high on an average, but nowhere near the 20% touted).

Perhaps it's updated to the next week:

NZ content on ALL radio…

is brendan actually going to participate in a debate or just dump a bunch of sound bites on us. I thought he said he was up for discussion?

It's entirely possible he doesn't work on weekends.

you words imply that nz on air are getting it half right. that I'm ignoring half of the good work. its 800,000 out of a budget of over 5 mill.

No my words don't imply that at all. As I keep saying, if you're going to attack NZ on air…

he wouldn't lie to us would he?

brendan said

We don’t say New Zealand music is this or that or sounds like this or that; it is the music that New Zealanders make and, ipso facto, it reflects New Zealand culture and identity, which is a rich tapestry and a coat of many colours, as we all…

OK, read before posting. I didn't say 'half of what is spent'. I said, 'half of what he said'.

oh n, believe me I hang on every word you say, read them over and over again, treasure them,

you words imply that nz on air are getting it half right.…

You're taking half of what he said

Where'd u get this figure of half from.

OK, read before posting. I didn't say 'half of what is spent'. I said, 'half of what he said'.

are you sure you're not a closet suit-wearer?

I used to wear one in the eighties, to be sure. Indie label chic and all that nonsense. But the last time I put one on was my marriage as I recall.

I'm just fascinated by the recording industry at every level.

I'm happily on the edge looking in.

you've got an unnatural interest, and admiration for the big business machinations of major labels and chart ticklers. are you sure you're not a closet suit-wearer?

Or do you really all believe that NZ music is superior? is the propaganda working?

not necessarily superior but more relevant to us than say a song about drive by shootings in the ghetto.
luckily for those who are well versed in local content there's some pretty great music that…

The reason they work a lot with mainstream commercial music stations, is that that's what most NZers listen to, and that's the music that most NZers like. That's not being narrow, that's being relevant.

actually nzers exposed to their own music don't hate it as much as programmers think they…

Isnt that the problem with the music (and movie) industry worldwide? lowest common denominator, play the safe card, forget that the real winners both creatively and financially come from a place of innovation and artistic passion!

agreed, but its not a prime objective of the charter to provide quality content,…

Would rather Brendan pretended his current favourite album was Opshop, as John Banks did recently?

would I rather?
I'd rather the head of nz music funding had a love of local content enough to rate it right up there. whether that be opshop or one of dubmuggas mates discs,
It…

Many years later Mel admitted they were coked up when they recorded it and thought it was funny to sample the hook into 'Do it Do It'.

I saw them do it live at the Venue in London when Flash was still Djing with them, before it was released. The…

Oh, and lost amid the general Budget punditry ...

The New Zealand Music Commission gets an additional $4.8 million in baseline funding over four years to do its work.

Given that the commission has subsisted on year-by-year funding since 2000, this is both welcome and significant.

Which gives creedence to the…

Pinch vocal album was mud except for 'get up' and 'one source' and he'll never top qawalli. IMHO

as for local hiphop, try 'homebrew' standard, light and dark.

Don't confuse homebrew with that chemically flavoured pisswater…

I have my Burial. Kode9 . Benga. Killa P.

You tried Pinch? A big fave in the past few months.

You're taking half of what he said

Where'd u get this figure of half from.
the lions share is aimed at commercial radio, because their the biggest no show. I don't even mind that, although another way of looking at the same problem would be to strengthen the support already…