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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						</update><br /><br />On page four I said (re Facebook):<blockquote><p>It can't be long before we all get a message<em> "Russell Brown has just rented 'An@l Midget Leather Fest' from Blockbuster &ndash; would you like to reserve your copy??"</em></p></blockquote><p>It seems they have responded to my fears (okay, <em>and</em> 51,500 others) and reversed themselves:</p><blockquote><p>Critics…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Incidentally, if Hanson secures more than 4% of the primary vote she gets $2.05 for each and every vote regardless of whether she's successful... in 2004, when she last stood unsuccessfully. she got some $200k... </p><p>What price democracy hey?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:20:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:12:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						It's <a href="http://alp.org.au/people/sa/wong_penny.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Penny Wong</a> (promoted as of today too btw)... the point's no less valid but.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:53:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>From the "We won, you lost, eat that" file:</p><p>A decade after Pauline Hanson was beating the anti-Asian drum, she languishes in political obscurity, not even an asterisk in the polls. Meanwhile in Canberra, Jenny Wong joins the Cabinet. </p><p>A spokesman for Ms Hanson said: "They are taking our jobs!"…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:09:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sara Noble</title>
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						A CRACKER isn't it!
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Golly, I wonder why Howard was so interested in reasserting control over the Northern Territories? INDIAN GIVER!</p></blockquote><p>There's a colonially loaded term.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:34:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Recalling an earlier series of posts, here's <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2007/11/28/1196036949669.html?s_rid=smh:top5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a link</a> to a story about the Chaser winding up the highest ranked Liberal in Australia, the Lord Mayor of Brisvegas.</p><p>It'll no doubt be on tele tonight, Wed, and available <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/vodcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> soon (possibly Thurs)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sara Noble</title>
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						IMO, one of the very important aspects of a government apology is that it cracks open public denial &ndash; it mainstreams recognition &ndash; so the attitudes of the dominant culture might be shifted a bit.
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				<title>Sara Noble</title>
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						<p>Absolutely, Che.  This whole idea that racist and colonialist practices are historical is yet another mechanism of denial.</p><p>How long ago was it that Howard announced his intention to make Australia rich by taking the world's nuclear waste off its hands and burying it in the Northern Territories?  The geologists…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:42:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>yes and you know <br />SORRY</p><p>not a big complicated word</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"I've always said that it is not right to oblige and compel the present generation of Australians to apologise for something that they were not responsible for,"</p></blockquote><p>the last of the stolen generation, a practice established in the state of victoria as early <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_generation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">as 1869</a>, was taken from their homes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:57:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Horrible little man is about my summary. I think only now is the true extent of his dour view of Australia becoming apparent.</p><p>When I moved to Sydney, I lived about 100 metres from the Block in Redfern. We were right around the corner during the riots in 2004. The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						The sad thing about Howard was that at the same time as he insisted that "I've always said that it is not right to oblige and compel the present generation of Australians to apologise for something that they were not responsible for," he repeatedly expressed the view that the Japanese…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:07:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>redfern is the major milestone in australian race relations. 67 was one, by redfern is the biggie.</p><p>and howard despised it. be called the view represented in it a "black armband" view of australian history.</p><p>thing is, you can't lift "the sorry" out of the reconciliation movement.</p><p>the nationally distributed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:43:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						An admission of responsibility, yes. Not quite an apology though. Still, miles better than anything from Howard.
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				<title>Testcard</title>
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						<p>Paul Keating apologised in  <a href="http://apology.west.net.au/redfern.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> his 1992 Mabo speech at Redfern</a>. An excerpt:</p><blockquote><p>We non-Aboriginal Australians should perhaps remind ourselves that Australia once reached out for us. Didn't Australia provide opportunity and care for the dispossessed Irish? The poor of Britain? The refugees from war and famine and…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:03:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>Craig, I don't know what you object to? The proffered apology is not the entirety of what's been suggested but one small albeit significant part.</p><p>For what it's worth, I sense a great deal of across-the-board support for an apology, <em>provided</em> it is part of both a genuine attempt to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:59:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						dems fighting words!
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>man... a guy can't even pick a fight in this forum without two reasonable people coming along and being all "reasonable"...</p></blockquote><p>Umm OK, hang on a second.</p><p>"Che you liberal PC wiffley left-wing pinko give-everything-to-the-Murrays-and-Abos, say-sorry-at-the-drop-of-a-hat... person!"</p><p>Now don't say I never give you anything.</p>
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						man... a guy can't even pick a fight in this forum without two reasonable people coming along and being all "reasonable"...
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>I think you nailed it right there, Fletcher B. </p><p>"Refusing to apologise, when it carries no cost to do so, is a blatant statement that you have nothing to apologise for..."</p><p>As we know, and even Blind Harry can see, decades of racist, and paternalistic government policies towards Aboriginal Australians…</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>As a non-Aborigine... I cant say whats important to them...</p><p>But here's my take...</p><p>The very fact that an apology carries no cost, no associated actual reparations....  is the very reason that refusal to give it grates so badly...</p><p>Refusing to apologize, when it carries no cost to do so,…</p>
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						<p>well, for starters, "asking some folks" in new zealand about treaty apologies, and superimposing your responses on australian realities kind of superficial, no?</p><p>second, the partisan sniping accusation rests on your willingness to assume that rudd is merely wanting to make photo-mileage out of this issue. </p><p>the apology to the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Che:</p><p>And getting equally angry, how about you save your condescending bullshit for someone who actually gives a damn and finds bold print even slightly intimidating?  Since folks keep bringing up the Treaty process here, I've talked to some folks who think apologies are all very nice and enormously moving,…</p>
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						<p>whoops... angry.</p><p>*save your partisan sniping for issues that don't <strong>actually matter</strong></p>
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						<blockquote><p>Gee, that and $3.50 each should buy Aboriginal Australians a cup of coffee. Sorry, Charles, but this is about as impressive as Tony Blair's apology</p></blockquote><p>sorry craig, but this is one where i get to say that you are <em>totally</em> and <em>completely</em> wrong.</p><p>first of all the apology was never…</p>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There's a lot of power in symbolism. Just ask the Chinese how they feel about war crimes committed by the Japanese during the Second World War.</p></blockquote><p>Or the so called 'comfort woman' in Korea for that matter.  An acknowledgement would be huge.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Craig, more effective policies and inclusive decision making to improve the economic and social well being of Aboriginal Australians is obviously part of the equation but it is clear that a symbolic apology is a big deal. You only have to look at the reaction among Aboriginal leaders and commentators…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But not instead of a treaty settlement...</p></blockquote><p>Well no, but I don't believe that Aborigines have given up on making progress on that.</p><p>But I don't get any impression that an apology is an 'empty' gesture for Aborigines. It might have no practical implications, and it might do very little…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm just not sure that 'we' should go telling Aborigines what's important for them. Particularly since it costs nothing to do so.</p></blockquote><p>Kyle: PAS, and the rest of teh bogisfere, would be a very quite place if we didn't feel entirely confident about setting the world to rights from the…</p>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						While Craig is right in that symbolic gestures won't necessarily have the impact on indigenous life that genuine policy and action might, there is simply no denying in Australia the power of this particular symbolic gesture, a power which has only grown exponentially over the time that the Rodent has…
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote>included as part of the their treaty settlements</blockquote> But not instead of a treaty settlement...
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Who needs real policy when you're got the empty politics of gesture and moral self-congratulation? Perhaps Mr. Rudd might want to forget the photo op, and show Aboriginals that his Government actually takes their desperate social deficits seriously.</p></blockquote><p>I can't speak for the native people of Australia, but I've always…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>BTW &ndash; This in the SMH from Rudd: "We will say sorry."</p><p>KEVIN Rudd has vowed to act quickly after he is sworn in as prime minister to make a formal apology to Aboriginal Australians on behalf of the nation.</p><p>At last!</p></blockquote><p>Gee, that and $3.50 each should buy Aboriginal…</p>
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						<p>Oh, the Aussies can't quite remember who originated the "lying rodent" label either, apparently. <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1189508.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ABC transcript, 01/11/2004</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Former Queensland Liberal state management committee member, Russell Galt, says Liberal Senator, George Brandis, who originally investigated the children overboard affair, described the Prime Minister as a "lying rodent" at a meeting he…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>last election said some throwaway line like, "if i get hit by a bus, peter has the PMs job".</p><p>the chaser had howard being stalked by a bus with costello's face on it.</p><p>now <strong>that</strong> was damn funny.</p>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Et tu Brutus, you rat-fuck</p></blockquote><p>That sentence on its own is laugh out loud funny</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Well, the Chaser chased him in white rabbit suits on one of his morning walks because the chatterati consensus was that Howard needed to pull a rabbit out of the hat if he was going to win the election.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:36:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>there was some kerfuffle a few years back about howard's lying ways, and someone (i genuinely forget who) referred to him as "a lying rodent".</p><p>caused quite a chuckle at the tibby household, let me tell you</p></blockquote><p>Yes, a priceless moment in Aussie politics &ndash; I can't remember who it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:26:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						^^^^Indeed!
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						that should be "less absent minded".
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Actually, during the early years of his prime mnistership, John Howard was frequently called Mr Magoo. There definitely was a physical resemblance but Howard for all his faults proved to be less than absent minded and much shrewder than his cartoon counterpart.</p><p>BTW &ndash; This in the SMH from Rudd:…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:00:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Heh &ndash; despite what you may have thought, the oft used 'rodent' moniker does not refer to the mans appearance, but his track-record of political behaviour. Stemming from widely held observations of sheer bastardry and 'rat-cunning'.</p></blockquote><p><crassness> Or rodent as in "rat-fuck"? One of my favourite Australianisms is "rat-fuck" used to…</crassness></p>
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						<p>if i remember right, the 'rodent' moniker was actually coined by someone afiliated with the liberal party.</p><p>there was some kerfuffle a few years back about howard's lying ways, and someone (i genuinely forget who) referred to him as "a lying rodent".</p><p>caused quite a chuckle at the tibby household,…</p>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There seems to be a few comments about Howard's appearance ('rodent", "small").</p></blockquote><p>Heh &ndash; despite what you may have thought, the oft used 'rodent' moniker does not refer to the mans appearance, but his track-record of political behaviour. Stemming from widely held observations of sheer bastardry and 'rat-cunning'.</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						You'd have to live somewhere in cooee of a Wendy's to be able to develop an opinion.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:44:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						No one has any love for the Wendy's Deluxe Cheeseburger?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:43:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The Whopper is definitely the far superior burger.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:41:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>God if this is the direction it takes it'll end up being like the contest between Maccas and Burger King. Worse, the Republican and Democrats brands pushed back even further in preference for Big Mac and the Whopper (I'm unequivocal in my preference for the Whopper). </p><p>I've thought that the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:30:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						There seems to be a few comments about Howard's appearance ('rodent", "small"). Does that mean that Public Address is now willing to accept comments about Clark's appearance? It's just that I've got a few choice ones and I need to know.
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						If Hilary gets 2 terms, then they're out for another 2 terms, she'll be well old enough. I wouldn't write off Jeb just yet either, wait and see what Hilary does. I'd be surprised if she can get them out of Iraq. Then Jeb can stand up and say he's…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:25:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>It won't happen overnight, but it will happen... Howard, Bush, et al.</blockquote>Bush will only be out because of term limits. Under US law you can only be President for two four year terms. Which is why they've ended up with  Dynastic Politics. Bush I begat Bush II, Clinton I begets…
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						Yes, although I guess you could argue in those cases that people do still get killed by failures of the system to act a bit quicker.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But I think democracy has one good thing going for it &ndash; it is capable of dealing peacefully with people who are clearly the wrong leader.</p></blockquote><p>It won't happen overnight, but it will happen... Howard, Bush, et al.</p>
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						<p><em>I'd also guess that you could come up with a set of KPIs for the job and hold an annual performace review to assess how the incumbent is doing at acheiving them.</em></p><p>If they're anything like the KPIs that I've had to put up with over the years they're more…</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Agreed. I also find overly keen young politicians a little repugnant and here was I thinking that was just me.
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						My point was that it takes all sorts: I can't imagine anyone wanting to make a profession out of being an accountant, to me it looks like the most deadly boring job imaginable. But there's all sorts of people out there doing it, even some relatives of mine. Some people…
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						<blockquote><p>it's sure not healthy when we have MPs whose (to use some ghastly psychobabble) life experience is limited to scaling the greasy pole.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, I feel similarly nervous. It seems to me that 'scaling the greasy pole' could really be the narrow domain in which these people achieve mastery, and…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Like all the untalented accountants and auditors and clerical workers and computer programmers and <insert subjectively boring job here>...</p></blockquote><p>Is being the Prime Minister like being an accountant/auditor/clerical worker/computer programmer? If so, then it's not a problem. But that is my question. People who master the use of a small domain (or even fail…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>is that a trick question?</p></blockquote><p>Not really: I've worked with my share of charmless egomaniacs, and maipulative, paranoid rat bastards.  While the preferable option is 'none of the above'. if I had to make up my mind Vanstone seems a much better option than the cesspool that appears to be…</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote>Also, if it really is boring, then it seems unlikely to attract talented people. Again, not sure if that's a bad thing.</blockquote>Like all the untalented accountants and auditors and clerical workers and computer programmers and <insert subjectively boring job here>...
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						<p>Political blandness seems to be a growing trend. I don't know if it's a good thing. Seems to be a gradual consequence of the professionalism that is slowly taking over politics, that you get leaders who have all the animation of someone working at their computer.</p><p>On one hand it…</p>
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						is that a trick question?
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						<blockquote><p>@julian. apparently one of vanstone's favourite japes, upon arriving at the office was to pick a junior staff member an watch them squirm as she asked, "what can you do to make me look good today?"</p></blockquote><p>Hum... would I choose to work for Vanstone or <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10478541" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">or these arrogant and paranoid creeps</a>?…</p>
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						BTW &ndash; just to set the record straight, I was wrong in saying earlier that Howard was running for his fourth term. He was in fact running for his FIFTH term, something that would have made him the country's longest running PM, exceeding the current record holder Robert Menzies in…
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						<p>@julian. apparently one of vanstone's favourite japes, upon arriving at the office was to pick a junior staff member an watch them squirm as she asked, "what can <strong>you</strong> do to make me look good today?"</p><p>arrogant, <em>and</em> sanctimonious.</p><p>but in her defence, rau has a serious mental illness, a…</p>
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						<p>@craig, not so sure i understand what you mean?</p><p>we have a rout that's been predicted for at <a href="http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/the-polls-before-e-day/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">least 6 months</a>, and a former Government who refused to listen to the voice of reason and replace their leader?</p><p>surely that falling on head your alluding to is merely the voice…</p>
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				<title>Julian Melville</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And lately there have been a few cases unearthed of Australian citizens being mistakenly held in detention centres for years.</p></blockquote><p>Just to tie a couple of threads together here, Cornelia Rau was one of the Australian residents found being held in detention centres by mistake, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Vanstone" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Amanda Vanstone</a> was at…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>he's going to let the libs continue to hang by their own petard.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, I wouldn't get too smug yet.  I thought Malcolm Turnbull was supposed to be goneburger in Wentworth and as the late, not so great Tony Blair could tell you, landslides have such a nasty habit of…</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>whose colleagues weren't exactly keen to put him there when it might have done some good</p></blockquote><p>indeed. costello is the biggest loser in this whole mix, and he did exactly what any sane person would do. <strong>not</strong> sign up for the worst job in australian politics.</p><p>he's going to let…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:00:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote>Finally, as for Costello spitting the dummy, someone I know Who Knows reckons the bugger is much too lazy to stick it out as Leader of the Opposition without a guaranteed payoff at the end of it. Better to quietly chug along on the backbenches rather than do that tedious…</blockquote>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						The Libs really did cut their own throats with the "WorkChoices" crap, which actually isn't as severe as that shit the National govt pulled back when, and then the unions rolled over and died (7 years work, and 2 weeks "redundancy" pay? Thanks guys. Thanks union for not supporting my…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:20:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But you've really got to wonder what Rudd really believes in, and how he's going to handle doing anything that can't be smoothed over with bland bormides and might actually be unpopular.</p></blockquote><p>He probably looked at the John Key love-in and decided to follow an apparently winning strategy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:54:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Come on Craig &ndash; it can actually be ok for a little levity to breach the otherwise sanctified chambers of politics. I don't know what the coverage was like in NZ, but there was reasonable coverage here albeit of a largely boring event. You know they actually do fuck-all at…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:16:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When Helen was last in Sydney for APEC the Chaser showed up at her press conference to ask her all manner of questions that required an answer of six &ndash; she was onto it very quickly and played along well.</p></blockquote><p>Oh for fuck's sake... meanwhile the real journo sat APEC…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you go here you can watch the guys from the Chaser pop round to Kevin's place with a few of his Facebook friends.</p></blockquote><p>And this morning they joined Howard on his morning  jog!</p><p>I saw a few eps while in Oz, and they are funny but on occasion cross the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:38:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dan Slevin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I sincerely hope that finally, Australia's first peoples will get an official apology from the government. Now that's Bennelong, long time coming.</p></blockquote><p>For what it's worth "a" John Howard did present an apology back in 2000:</p><blockquote><p>... I speak for all Australians in expressing a profound sorrow to the Aboriginal…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:28:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Chaser is coming to our screens soon</p></blockquote><p>Choice.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						When Helen was last in Sydney for APEC the Chaser showed up at her press conference to ask her all manner of questions that required an answer of six &ndash; she was onto it very quickly and played along well. The Pollies that cope best are the ones that acknowledge…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:08:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Helen Clark has been having <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4288666a10.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ugandan discussions</a> with Kevin Rudd ...</p><p>Fnar.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:03:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Ha ha! That's terrific. The Chaser guys have no shame.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:49:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you go here you can watch the guys from the Chaser pop round to Kevin's place with a few of his Facebook friends.</p></blockquote><p>That's a simple but great idea. BTW, The Chaser is coming to our screens soon ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:46:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Your favorite bands, businesses, and products are coming to Facebook. Check out Dave Matthews Band, become a fan of (RED), or search for your favorite brands.</p></blockquote><p>Which is all part of Facebook's evil plan to take over the world by getting you to do the marketing for their corporate partners.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:45:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>If you go <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/chaser/war/video/default.htm?program=chaser&amp;pres=20071031_2100" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> you can watch the guys from the Chaser pop round to Kevin's place with a few of his Facebook friends. </p><p>He copes very, very well indeed. I hear a rumour he was some kind of diplomat...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:42:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>As far as I can see all Preferential Voting (aka instant run-off voting) allows is for voters to "make a statement" by ranking their preferred candidate first, then listing the candidate who actually has a chance.</p><p>STV (which is the same but with multi-member constituencies) does provide proportionality and is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:41:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>Earlier I said:</p><blockquote><p>Funnily enough, they're "fans" not "friends". Facebook lets "public figures" create pages that are halfway between a personal profile and a group.</p></blockquote><p>It looks like this is a brand new Facebook feature, cos when I just logged in now, I found this notice:</p><blockquote><p>Your favorite bands, businesses,…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:18:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						Multi-seat STV is far better, and roughly proportional within constituencies (though disproportionate overall due to the threshold effect). But I still prefer MMP, with the crufts of no threshold and possibly PV for electorate votes.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Australian soil is only a boat ride away from Indonesia.</p></blockquote><p>agreed, but generally the asylum seekers, who don't seem to be in vast numbers, are from further afield. Australia is far more obsessed with Indonesia than the other way around and there seems little desire here to migrate south (the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:10:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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						<p>The is more than one flavour of STV, The single seat constituency version used in Australia is never going to do the smaller parties any favours, however the multi seat (min 3, maximum 5) version as practised in Ireland is more conducive to small party’s getting a seat.</p><p>It should…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:07:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Given the history of factionalism in the ALP I would think the greatest threat to Rudd at the moment is Julia Gillard. Lets face it, her and Kevin Rudd don't exactly share the same agenda.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:42:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Actually I suspect that the Greens would do better under MMP. Watching the results come in on Saturday night, it was noticeable that the Greens were polling well but in third place in most electorates which means they will have no elected MPs in the House of Representatives. </p><p>It appears…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:21:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p>Moz: it's worth remembering that Australia's House doesn't use STV, but PV, which isn't a proportional system at all.</p><p>As for the Senate,that is much better, but at the same time it has some quirks &ndash; notably that they've fixed the system to encourage party ticket voting by having "above…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:21:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd predict the Greens would do a lot better in NZ under STV if that were the case.</p></blockquote><p>Um... how? The Greens got seven percent of the House of Reps vote, and no seats. STV isn't proportional, and it hasn't switched Aus off being a two-party state.</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><em>What a pity we ended up with MMP and not STV here in NZ. I mean, really, if you want to be truly democratic</em></p><p>Unfortunately in practice STV turns out to be anything but democratic &ndash; it is just a polite way to enforce the two party system. It's rare…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:09:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						It's quite the hobby in Oz to literally write "Informal" on ones voting paper before boxing it; a bit of a rebellion against compulsory voting in races where only the norms can be represented.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:03:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>LegBreak</title>
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						Has there ever been a more spectacular dummy-spit than that performed by Costello over the last couple of days?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:01:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>The Greens did preference Labor in Bennelong.</p><p>Here's a simple explanation of the STV system as it applies to HoR seats: </p><p><a href="http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/Voting_HOR.htm." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/Voting_HOR.htm.</a> </p><p>The Senate is the same, however because of the number of candidates and parties, you can vote "above the line" which means your preferences are distributed according to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:50:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It probably isn't very clear but it is kind of simple. Just hard to explain.</p></blockquote><p>It's very clear to me Charles! What a pity we ended up with MMP and not STV here in NZ. I mean, really, if you want to be <em>truly</em> democratic ...</p><p>STV allows people to vote…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:42:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>Another few comments...</p><p>The "Work Choice" legislation went down like a cup of cold sick, just like the ECA did here. People didn't like it, so they spat it out. This has been a major factor in the Aussie public turning against the Liberals.</p><p>Also, as an Aussie commentator said…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:41:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Under the Single Transferable Vote system the Greens would be -generally speaking, being on the left of the political spectrum &ndash; be urging their voters to place Labor above the Liberal Party in their list of preferences on the ballot paper. </p><p>Commentators on election night made the point repeatedly that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:33:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>Back in Bennelong, <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/guide/benn.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here's a detailed breakdown</a> of the votes.</p><p>With 79% counted (about 77,000 votes) Howard is trailing by about 340 votes. It appears the Green vote collapsed and fell in behind the Labor candidate.</p><p>Although quite how that works in terms of Preferential Voting I'm not too sure.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:24:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						The Howard/Costello dynamic has been intriguing. I have been wondering if Howard had heeded concerns within his own party about his leadership going into this election and stepped aside, if Costello would have made a difference and the conclusion I've come to is that it wouldn't have. The Coalition would…
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Can't say I'm sorry to see The Rodent leave &ndash;  he has left more than a few morally repugnant stains on the Aussie national conscience that will take a while to fade.</p><p>Interesting how Howard, in that last 12 months at least, lost his golden touch with regards to 'middle'…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Anyway, the most interesting post-election item is that Rudd is not letting the caucus have any say whatsoever in choosing the front bench. Now, that's definitely Bliar-ite, and only time will tell whether it ultimately has the same outcome.</p></blockquote><p>It's superficially Blair-ite and I can't see Rudd making the same…</p>
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						<blockquote>Now that's Bennelong, long time coming.</blockquote><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpyWrNNifo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bennelong, long time</a>
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						<p>Robyn said</p><blockquote><p>This is a good idea, but I can't find anything official from any NZ politicians. Not even my local MP &ndash; a blogger &ndash; is on Facebook.</p><p>As long as I don't get "Click here to be a pirate/ninja/vampire" spam, I'd be happy to have a political Facebook…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						These are the two cases in particular I'm thinking of &ndash; Cornelia Rau, a German born Australian who was mistakenly imprisoned as a suspected illegal immigrant and another Australian, Vivian Alvarez Solon, who was mistakenly deported, wheelchair-bound, to the Philippines.
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						<p>oh. looks like i'm agreeing with both kyle and i/o.</p><p>re: aboriginal people. i put a couple of great youtube videos <a href="http://objectdart.wordpress.com/2007/11/25/about-time/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">over on my own blog</a>.</p><p>howard's ignoring reconciliation in favour of a pastoralist-led agenda to undermine native title is yet another reason to find the little rat reprehensible.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Russell, Rudd's no old-style shit-kicker but the ALP campaign was his &ndash; he drove and directed it and he ensured it stayed on message (or got errant spokespeople back on message). He'll probably get the Cabinet he wants and will hopefully not give into the states. I think he could…
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						<p>Ditto, Kyle. Well said.</p><p>Also there's been the years of incarceration in detention centres in places like Curtin and Nauru. Remember that these have included children.</p><p>And lately there have been a few cases unearthed of Australian citizens being mistakenly held in detention centres for years.</p><p>Off topic but as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:11:46 +1300</pubDate>
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						yup, can't argue with you there Kyle ...
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						<p>"This isn't to say that Kevin Rudd won't be a success. He is just by no stretch of the imagination a shitkicker."</p><p>Perhaps not, but I saw Rudd on 'Rove Live' last week and he certainly held his own there. He also seems to have an affinity with the 25…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But looking at Australia, they're quite a way behind us. What a difference a couple of women Prime Ministers makes.</p></blockquote><p>in fact, there were strongly implied messages during the leadership debate that stated a woman would never be prime minister. it is an issue that aussies will need to face.…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>That is such a tough issue. If you take in boat people on humanitarian grounds then you just encourage more people to spend their life savings (or more ie debt) on a seat in some shonky boat run by people smugglers who don't really care if the boat makes it…</blockquote>
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				<title>Chockasunday</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I want the old style ocker politician back.</p><p>That is like asking to live in Interesting Times.</p><p>Uninteresting times may be boring, but they're a hell of a lot safer.</p></blockquote><p>Our politicians hardly ever say anything fun these days, I miss getting a laugh from politics.</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>SMH: It's Bennelong, long time coming.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/11/09/1194329425200.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The subs at the SMH have been on a bit of a roll recently.</a></p>
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						<blockquote><p>Uninteresting times may be boring, but they're a hell of a lot safer</p></blockquote><p>Agreed; but it is Australia we’re talking about here.</p>
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						</off topic><blockquote>There was not much liberty for the boat people</blockquote>That is <em>such</em> a tough issue. If you take in boat people on humanitarian grounds then you just encourage more people to spend their life savings (or more ie debt) on a seat in some shonky boat run by people smugglers who…
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						<blockquote><p>I want the old style ocker politician back.</p></blockquote><p>That is like asking to live in Interesting Times.</p><p>Uninteresting times may be boring, but they're a hell of a lot safer.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As I said, Idiot/Savant, I think reasonable people in this country don't regard women in politics as some delightful novelty. Dare I say it, perhaps we even take women seriously enough to judge them on their performance rather than their gender?</p></blockquote><p>Over here, yes.  But looking at Australia, they're quite…</p>
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						<p>I think there’s something a bit sad about what’s happened in Australian politics.</p><p>There has always been something colourful about them. Having a prime minister being picked up by a Chinese submarine started my fascination with them, followed in the next decade by the drama of the Whitlam sacking (“Malcolm…</p>
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						<p>Charles &ndash; thanks for the update on Bennelong.</p><p>Craig &ndash; yeah, the stick was definitely humorous/demeaning rather than hard-hitting/journalistic. But then <em>Rove</em> is comedy/entertainment. I haven't detected any pretensions to serious current affairs. </p><p>Come to think of it, the script for the whole episode was significantly above the usual offering…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I watched Rudd on Rove on Friday night in anticipation of the election. I thought his calmness and composure was perfect for the occasion, and Rove gave him a fair amount of stick</p></blockquote><p>Meh... that's akin to saying Larry King asks difficult questions... like whether you can remember the title…</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>SMH: It's Bennelong, long time coming.</p><p>ALP sources suggest the expatriate vote from London and Hong Kong is likely to strongly favour her, since the McKew campaign succeeded in targeting the large group of voters in the electorate of Chinese and Korean backgrounds &ndash; who have traditionally favoured Mr Howard…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:26:47 +1300</pubDate>
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						About 8000-9000 absentee and expatriate votes to be counted but Maxine McKew has a razor thin majority and her lead appears to be holding. We'll probably know tomorrow or Wednesday.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And predictably we saw the same sort of nasty misogynist smears directed at her that some still direct at female politicians over here.</p></blockquote><p>And interesting see Gillard herself very carefully <strong>not</strong> playing the 'gender card' &ndash; which is very smart, consider that the presumptive next President of the United States…</p>
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						<p>Ha ha ha &ndash; that's hilarious.  I can just imagine how it looked on people's Facebook threads.</p><p>My leaving was more on grounds of factual accuracy than political expediency but I can very much appreciate the smile on Russell's face when he saw it.</p>
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						I watched Rudd on Rove on Friday night in anticipation of the election. I thought his calmness and composure was perfect for the occasion, and Rove gave him a fair amount of stick. He remained thoughtful and on-message and at times was vaguely funny which is about the best that…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:19:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Another feature of the new government will be the performance of of the deputy leader Julia Gillard. Isn't it great to see a woman close to the apex of federal leadershp in Australia? I think it may even be a first. They've had women state leaders but not in federal…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:11:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sorry, Russell, but anyone who would describe either the Coalition or Labour as fiscally conservative is just not speaking any reality-based language I'm familiar with.</p></blockquote><p>Quite. I guess it helps when you're awash in mining money the way Australia is. I think I read one column pointing out that both…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Surely you mean to say Hawke and Keating?</p></blockquote><p>I did. Fixed now.</p>
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						<blockquote>It's no accident that both Howard and Keating (having apparently settled a 16-year feud) provided what fire there was in the Labor campaign (which also, remarkably, saw the rehabilitation of Gough Whitlam). Both men wrote what can only be regarded as typewritten assassinations of Howard in the last week of…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>It's no accident that both Howard and Keating</p></blockquote><p>Surely you mean to say Hawke and Keating?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Facebook lets "public figures" create pages that are halfway between a personal profile and a group.</p></blockquote><p>How do they judge a "public figure"? Wiki page that hasn't been deleted for non-noteworthyness?</p>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kevin Rudd, famously, has 20,000 friends on Facebook</p></blockquote><p>Funnily enough, they're "fans" not "friends". Facebook lets "public figures" create pages that are halfway between a personal profile and a group.</p><p>This is a good idea, but I can't find anything official from any NZ politicians. Not even my local MP…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Another feature of the new government will be the performance of of the deputy leader Julia Gillard. Isn't it great to see a woman close to the apex of federal leadershp in Australia?</p></blockquote><p>Don't know about you, Charles, but you'd think this is one country where folks with vaginas in…</p>
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						<p>I was going to stop posting but I have to include this fabulous quote from same story:</p><p>"I vomited when I found out," said a 16-year Liberal member, Wendy Anderson. "It was just such an incredibly stupid and unthinkable thing to do, and the fact that Jackie's husband was involved…</p>
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						<p>Here's a little bit of Home And Away as reported in the Sydney MH today:</p><p>A broken home in a broken party</p><p>THE Liberal Party is in the doghouse &ndash; and so is the husband of the defeated Liberal Party candidate Karen Chijoff.</p><p>Days after Greg Chijoff was caught red-handed…</p>
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						Yeah but Russell you must remember that Rudd's appointment &ndash; as relatively colourless as he is &ndash; as Labor leader is a reaction to the previous larger than life personalities Simon Crean and Mark Latham (he of the infamous 'conga line of suckholes' quote). They lined up like roadkill to…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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