chased quite some distance only suburban streets

err, "chased quite some distance along suburban streets". Not sure quite where that came from.

It's certainly massively different from the Emery tagger incident, and comparison between the two doesn't bring anything useful to the surface, to my mind.

The only comparison is that in each case a person died when it wasn't, in the glaring light of hindsight, necessary. Other than that, they have…

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If the dead gang member did have a gun, would that have made it ok?

Interesting point. It seems the potential existence of a gun affects our perception in a funny way, like some deadly Shrodinger-style thought experiment. If there had been a gun there…

the question for me is, what is legitimate "self defence"?

Try looking here. Short version, it's whatever the defendant can convince the jury was believably reasonable at the time. Which, given the recent attacks on the farmer and the circumstances of the victim's presence at the time, went as far…

the question for me is, what is legitimate "self defence"?

If you genuinely want to know, I suggest you read the relevant sections of the Crimes Act for a starter. There is also a whole raft of court decisions over the years that builds into a fairly comprehensive explanation of…

no conspiracies there, i'm afraid.

conspiracy where farmers are luring extortionists to their homes so they can go medieval on them

where did anyone say anything like that?
what a bizarre thing to say

there were no weapons...except for the one belonging to the killer...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If the dead gang member did have a gun, would that have made it ok?

shoot first, ask questions later. sound really nice. jury liked it. end of story, sounds like.

The odds of…

I'm aesthetically "brutalised" every time I look out of my living room window, only to have my eyeballs molested by the arse-ugly Sky Phallus. Can I go murder architect Gordon Moller now? Please...

Good point. Once the whole wide sky's been privatised, and if you happen to be a major…

one-side story, no?

there were no weapons...except for the one belonging to the killer...

shoot first, ask questions later. sound really nice. jury liked it. end…

Allen was not being attacked by Collier.
The report says Collier (the person killed) had walked back to his car.
He was then shot through the chest from 10 feet away by Allen standing on the woolshed landing. how the fcuk is that self defence? Allen had been beaten up…

done.

Rudman.…

... is or isn't entitled to stab someone to death

Or shoot them.

It is interesting to compare the two cases, since one resulted in conviction, and the other with a not-guilty verdict.

I'd say the major point of difference is that Emery had to chase the tagger in order…

I thought the hallmark of a civilized society, operating under the rule of law, is that we punish the minority of people who don't mitigate or repress their "brutal and heartless feelings" into socially acceptable channels?

One of the keynotes of the Sensible Sentencing mindset, as far as I can…

Rereading the letter, the author referred to Pihema's mother calling the killing "brutal and heartless" and responded: "How many people have had brutal and heartless feelings upon seeing her son's tag sprayed on their wall?"

And the point is, Murderous Slag of Mission Bay? I thought the hallmark of a…

I'm aesthetically "brutalised" every time I look out of my living room window, only to have my eyeballs molested by the arse-ugly Sky Phallus. Can I go murder architect Gordon Moller now? Please...

Rereading the letter, the author referred to Pihema's mother calling the killing "brutal and heartless" and responded:…

I wrote a note to Rudman thanking him and Tapu Misa, and pointing out that given how the Herald gives McVicar and Comesky such sympathetic coverage, and allows open slather on their forums, they are reaping as they have sowed.

Oh, snaps! Please share the response, if you receive one.

I think I was most disgusted by one response to Pihema's mum saying she was "brutalised" by the killing: "What about all the people who have been brutalised by coming home and seeing her son's tag?"

I'm aesthetically "brutalised" every time I look out of my living room window, only…

I think I was most disgusted by one response to Pihema's mum saying…

perhaps Brian Rudman has been reading PAS?

Perhaps. Of course, it's all very nice for Rudman to tut-tut at "the bile-filled and often racist support for the killer that erupted onto the Herald online 'your views'. It would have been a real profile in courage if Rudman had the testicular…

the Herald's own racist sewer must generate ooldes of ad revenue, eh? must be wonderful for the advertisers, for their ads to appear next to that bile. attracts the "target demographic", i'm sure...

I'll still browse the website first thing in the morning, but that seldom takes up more than five minutes, and it's much cheaper in this time of Global Economic Crisis (tm). :)

Cheaper still if you're running NoScript. ;D

Hang on, I hope I haven't blown my cover...

Remembering one of"his victims" the P manufacturer, I wonder what McVicar would think of that person.

Who knows? McVicar's brain is that abyss Nietzsche banged on about — gaze into it, it won't only gaze into you but become a metaphysical stalker.

Craig, I thought you didn't subscribe any more?

We don't — but that story I mentioned ran months back, and someone left yesterday's Sunday News on the table of the cafe we had lunch at, after a butch shopping trip to the Albany Mitre 10 Mega. For light fittings, since…

below the fold

Craig, I thought you didn't subscribe any more?

Where's McVicar and his outrage at parole for violent offenders? Oh, that's right. It's flip-flop man and his rubber "principles".

Of course, this was the man who got face time on Three (and probably One) to opine that Antoine Dixon deserved to die, and it was a "win for his…

Our rating is principally hurt by theft from cars and burglary. Spain and Portugal are at the other end of the scale, which might surprise anyone who's been pickpocketed on holiday.

Being a dozy pillock, I left my wallet with hundreds of Euros in on the counter top at the…

The killer saying "oh, you're putting that on, it's not that sad". Fuck off.

It certainly makes his claims of remorse less, shall we say, substantial. The whole "oh, let's all be sensible and focus on what the kid was doing out at night" – it smacks of an attempt…

peejaytoo (Auckland)

Taggers are like possums. They sleep by day, come out at night and cause mass destruction.

There is a bounty on possums.

Emery should be paid his bounty, not ostracised and thrown in jail.

Far out.

Perhaps you should have thought about that before you stabbed someone to death, ay Bruce? But I love that a newspaper that often reads like the Sensible Sentencing Trust newsletter has found a convicted killer they can get the hankies out for...

That article was particularly piss-me-off. What annoyed me…

But I love that a newspaper that often reads like the Sensible Sentencing Trust newsletter has found a convicted killer they can get the hankies out for...

It's all about the fair and balanced reporting, Craig. Bay for the blood of some, bring out the hankies for others, and it…

But I love that a newspaper that often reads like the Sensible Sentencing Trust newsletter has found a convicted killer they can get the hankies out for

Hands up he or she who, upon first hearing of the murder, didn't think "this man is going to get a whole lot…

Where's McVicar and his outrage at parole for violent offenders? Oh, that's right. It's flip-flop man and his rubber "principles".

I'd wager it's not so much flip-flopping, but rather bare-faced rankism.

Bruce Emery has told of his fears for his family as he began a prison sentence for the manslaughter of teen tagger Pihema Cameron.

Responding to questions submitted through his…

I had a look at the last survey:

For the basket of the 10 common crimes New Zealand does indeed fare…

Well they got these riots because they were soft on crime and cared more for the criminals than the victims

Soft on crime committed by white cops against black victims, you mean?

the number of European children killed by adults is significantly greater than those by polynesian.

If that's not…

The graph does not show exponential growth or anything like it. As you note on that page, it shows less crime.

We have a very high crime rate both relative to many other countries and relative to our own past.

We have a…

Err NZ is in the top 15 countries in the world for crime victimisation.

What does "crime victimisation" mean and what statistics do you have to back up your claim?

We have a very high crime rate, thats why it gets reported.

"Very high" in comparison to what, or who?…

I simply do not understand your comments apropos…

http://newzealandcrimewatch.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-are-world-leader-in-crime.html

http://www.neighbourhoodsupport.org/articles/UnderstandingCrimeRateStatistics.pdf

Both are from me but both referreence the original statistics (ingernational crime victimisation survey and Statitics NZ) so its all varifiable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhOS8Q2V1LY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkDcrwwQ8cU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBHByk6FkVI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTw-UHalZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quNEzN0_toc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRnGqfsAyI&feature=channel_page

http://newzealandcrimewatch.blogspot.com/2009/01/would-you-believe-this-politician.html

with links to the latest international comparison of victimisation carried out survey methods independently of the authorities so it doesn’t rely on reported crime rates. NZ figures in the top 15 for all crime and often in the…

By joke, did they mean Emery should have gotten a longer or shorter
sentence?

Longer. Not entirely convinced that the verdict would've been the same if the ethnicities had been reversed, either.

And McVicar has openly spoken out in Emery's favour; he also disses the Cameron family's grief as "misdirected…

Or yes, you wait goodness knows how long before it turns up here. Maybe the delay is not as bad as it used to be, but a delay all the same. If it does turn up, that is, and is not buried somewhere...Bah.

And no matter how keen the programming…

What would they have thought of the Bruce Emery verdict? It seems to have become some kind of litmus test on law and order politics.

Was discussing it with one of them last night, and he said the sentence is a joke. McVicar's remarkably silent on the topic. Bad case…

At such time as the copyright issues get resolved. Meaning, sometime between never and in a far-off distant future. Not that I'm cynical about the major TV labels and their negotiations or anything

Sigh, yes, I was afraid of that. And the tv labels wonder about why legitimate ways to…

I had quite an argument with a couple of friends at the height of the last summer murder wave about how murder is a very low risk here.

What would they have thought of the Bruce Emery verdict? It seems to have become some kind of litmus test on law…

What I want to know is...when is the rest of the world going to get access to hulu. Or amazon video on demand. Or shows via the local itunes???

At such time as the copyright issues get resolved. Meaning, sometime between never and in a far-off distant future. Not that…

Answer between 50 and 60.

Or even fewer. Wasn't it 2007 that had 47 murders? That was good for a whole short article in Granny at the start of 2008, and then it got pushed under the carpet.
I had quite an argument with a couple of friends at the…

But did I hear right, they're ALIENS! Why are you all laughing?! He said they're gonna eat our brains! Right on the TV!

What I want to know is...when is the rest of the world going to get access to hulu. Or amazon video on demand. Or shows via the…

Has it been reported what they paid to get that to air during the Super Bowl? A full minute.

$3M per 30secs so $6M

But did I hear right, they're ALIENS! Why are you all laughing?! He said they're gonna eat our brains! Right on the TV! Quick, everyone, to…

Crimewise in NZ the media are definitely heroes, and we would be a lot worse off without them and their freedom

I couldn't disagree more with the idea that the news media are heroes in their crime reporting.

While murders per head of population (a fairly reliable measure of violent…

I was just going to say (after watching episode 2 yesterday) how great it seemed to be going.

Also, I find it interesting that you are separating all these geeks from their lovers for Card And Flower Marketing Day. Is this based on a stereotype that no geek is in a relationship??

Crimewise in…

Yes it was a good show, but now you've done the "crusader's front row", how about a follow-up on the "crusader's hall of shame". I don't want to sound like I'm piling onto Donna Chisholm, but under her deputy editorship there were plenty of occasions where the Sunday Star-Times…

But a little off topic here is a link to new Green MP Catherine Delahunty's maiden speech in parliament this week.
As my friend in London says 'Wow. I was…