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				<title>Andrew Cooke</title>
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						<p>Of course, Tuhoe (and to a lesser extent) the taxpayer _are_ paying for a wireless network in the Ureweras...</p><p><br />We're helping build it, but are happy to help (relatively) wealthy urbanites who have a need too. Although while we play with a lot of mesh and other wifi here, I'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:37:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Swift</title>
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						<p>forgot to add...</p><p>I have a cassette of the 1983 Hillsborough Tavern show.........it's with me here in the UK...I will send it to you if you can get it put on a CD and do a copy for me also......I will check the quality....have not played it for 20-plus years.....</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:57:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Swift</title>
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						<p>Hey Russell....John Cale will be WELLl worth seeing. Trust me.</p><p>I caught him here in Glasgow just 8 months ago, a few weeks before my trip to NZ, and it was the first time I had seen him for 20 years.</p><p>He played to a half-full ABC (former cinema) on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:40:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>reece palmer</title>
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						<p>Hi Public Address, <br /> I haven't posted in ages which some of you may consider a great favour so,</p><p>*lodges cotton wool in cheek*</p><p>"Now maybe you can do me a favour"</p><p>The school I work at has entered and has made the final five  of a competition to create and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:41:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<p>Speaking of breakfast sausage...<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMCHi8SLrZs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMCHi8SLrZs</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:14:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is it so hard to just Google up Jimmy Dean Sausage?</p></blockquote><p>Not particularly, but it was more of an exclamation than a genuine question.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:29:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						I believe unauthorised use of wifi is a 500 pound fine in England and Wales, due to a slightly obscure 2003 law.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:58:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JulianPriest</title>
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						Thanks for the headsup Russel. There are lots of different models in use by different groups around the world. One of my favorites is <a href="http://freifunk.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> freifunk</a> in Berlin and a bunch of other cities in Germany. They have built a peer produced wireless mesh freenetwork there, which works well in…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:44:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Reeves</title>
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						I'm in the UK currently, and noticed this on <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/oct/05/internet" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BT and wi-fi</a> in Teh Grauniad a while ago:
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:20:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Is it so hard to just Google up <a href="http://www.jimmydean.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jimmy Dean Sausage</a>?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:02:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That was a great story Stephen, although I kind of wonder at why she was revealed so openly. I assume names / identifying data have been changed but still.</p></blockquote><p>Never mind that, what the hell is 'Jimmy Dean Sausage'???</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:56:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Rich, true. It would be virtually undetectable from outside of a few hundred meters (& therefore of little use in the bush). But anyone listening in would be able to capture the digital data and if they thought you were a terrorist then decrypting it might almost be justifiable. Ask the…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:44:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Somehow I think being on a wifi network would be the very last thing a serious terrorist would want to do. Especially not out in the bush when you're trying to keep radio silence.</p></blockquote><p>The WiFi protocol would be quite hard to do direction finding on, I think, certainly compared…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Cross</title>
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						<p>I am a resident of Pt Chevalier and a director of Kiwi Wirless providing Wi-Fi networks in the more progresive regions of NZ.<br />The free Wi-Fi model promoted in your article does'nt work in practice as someone has to support it and they need to be paid. Community Wi-Fi however…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:15:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>OTOH, all those immigrants and bludgers over in Mt Albert have a much shorter copper run than us. Bloody socialism</p></blockquote><p>Oye! &ndash; I'll cop to the immigrant part :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:29:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>Connecting people and giving them the opportunity to share and reinforce some very weird views to the point where they may act on them whereas in the past they might not.</em></p><p>I don't reckon. Yes, you hear some whack views online now. But the only difference between now and the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:13:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Connecting people and giving them the opportunity to share and reinforce some very weird views to the point where they may act on them whereas in the past they might not.</p></blockquote><p>Damn, he's onto us. Quick, close down the Te Qaeda facebook group and listed events!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:39:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.</em></p><p>Hey I've got your number pal &mdash; ya damn lousy commie! If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:09:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>You don't know how much it bugs the hell out of me that John Cale isn't playing Christchurch, other-wise I'd be there like a a shot.</p><p>His autobiography <em>What's Welsh For Zen?</em>  is one of the best-ever rock books; he takes a real warts 'n' all look at his life…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:36:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>That was a great story Stephen, although I kind of wonder at why she was revealed so openly. I assume names / identifying data have been changed but still.</p><p>Not long before I left NZ I heard about C1, the CCL/private sector cable network, which must be operational by now.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:47:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						It's ok Neil. It turns out that all those online terrorists are actually <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/15-11/ff_rossmiller?currentPage=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">suburban housewives from Montana</a>.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:39:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.</em></p><p>It would be good if it was even available there.</p><p><em>A joke but is there something in this?</em></p><p>Somehow I think being on a wifi network would be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:21:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to get a wireless network so they can hook up with Al Qaeda ...</p></blockquote><p>A joke but is there something in this? There's always been crazy people at both ends of the polical spectrum…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:14:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.</blockquote>Hey I've got <em>your</em> number pal &mdash; ya damn lousy commie!  If you think us taxpayers are going to pay for those dole bludging terrorists in Tuhoe to get…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:05:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can see such a network working well here in Point Chevalier: a contained, increasingly gentrified suburb</p></blockquote><p>But is it a good idea that cheap, fast net access is only available for (relatively) wealthy urbanites in smart inner suburbs.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:29:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Call me paranoid, but what is the law enforcement situation with opening up ones WAP and ISP account to all?</p></blockquote><p>That's not really how it would work. It wouldn't be your own ISP account being pillaged, but a matter of data being delivered from the edge of the network. Your…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:54:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jarno van der Linden</title>
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						Call me paranoid, but what is the law enforcement situation with opening up ones WAP and ISP account to all? Is the law refined enough, and do the police know enough, to not break down my door when some traffic that is of interest to them gets routed through my…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:37:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Tussock: I believe that was exactly the essence of what I wrote to the council when they were considering their planning for the coming year &ndash; fat lot of good it did &ndash; we did however just elect a council exactly none of whom said they were in favour of…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:15:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						Dear Dunedin: $190 million spent on teh internets would better reward your future residents than would a flammable rugby ground with no parking. TIA.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:45:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						It's Dennis from Accounts, not Trevor. Take more water with it...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:19:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Given the two major local telcos and their ISPs have been working to knobble peering exchanges, I really can't see them emulating their European peers.</p></blockquote><p>Which is where we might look for Mr Cunliffe to deliver on the rock-star image he earned himself at Foo Camp this year when he…</p>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The attraction for the telcos is in only having to deliver to a single point of entry for the network. In Europe, they compete quite strongly to deliver service.</p></blockquote><p>Given the two major local telcos and their ISPs have been working to knobble peering exchanges, I really can't see them…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:07:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						But he's so pretty when I'm drunk.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						And especially not with Trevor from Accounts...
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yes, I really should learn to appreciate the taste of vomit in moderation.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>my vomit has so often had alcohol</p></blockquote><p>"Its not the drinking, its <em>how</em> we're drinking."</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I actually find that all alcohol smells to me like vomit. But that is because my vomit has so often had alcohol in it that the association is very strong. I feel the same way about carrots in stew.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There's mega advantages to it. Local file sharing, offsite backups, local cache generally.</p></blockquote><p>Oh God. Imagine offsite backup at 54Mbps. That would be very handy.</p><p>And file-sharing &mdash; ironically, the person who told me about the Pt Chev internet consumer rebellion is the local boss of one of the major…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sure these problems are soluble, but ultimately the actual organization will not be an amateur affair. Whoever sets up the connection to the net must be a pro, and there will be tech support, you can take that as guaranteed.</p></blockquote><p>All good points. I've emailed Julian to see if…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's in Europe, Rus, where they have this bizarre thing known as, well, competition. It's a bit of a strange concept in this neck of the woods.</p></blockquote><p>Fer sure. That's where public and community fibre would come in handy. It's not about getting it to everyone's doorstep, just to every…</p>
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				<title>M adas</title>
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						<p>Hmmm syndication moment...</p><p>There was a brew I had the misfortune to secure as a sponsorship product in the early naughties, that had (to the best of my recollection)  Tequila and Guarana, went by the name of Mez and ... you guessed it... tatsed like vomit..... Didn't stop the crew…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Russell said:</p><blockquote><p>The attraction for the telcos is in only having to deliver to a single point of entry for the network. In Europe, they compete quite strongly to deliver service.</p></blockquote><p>That's in Europe, Rus, where they have this bizarre thing known as, well, competition. It's a bit of a…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>I can see advantages in having local data local too: a local cache for internet content from TVNZ/TV3/RNZ/etc would be pretty cool. And ping times for neighbourhood gaming would rock ...</em></p><p>There's mega advantages to it. Local file sharing, offsite backups, local cache generally.</p><p>__You're not talking about you, as…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						When I was at Wellington Airport the other week &mdash; and before I discovered the <em>free</em> wi-fi &mdash; I could see CafeNet Melrose East access point. Couldn't connect, but I thought that was quite impressive.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:02:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If he smiles once during the show that'll be more often than Lou Reed did when I saw him :)</p></blockquote><p>Dude, he's <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/~werksman/cale/live_reviews/2007_03_19.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">blowing kisses</a> this year ...</p>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My WiFi router's SID is my street address</p></blockquote><p>Same here. And same here. </p><p>Mesh doesn't need an Internet link in the first instance &ndash; it can simply grow up for gamers. I think there's certainly going to be gentle growth in terms of P2P and VOIP as kids realise what…</p>
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						Just guessing here, but I'd think mesh networks would suffer the other problem of abuse being very difficult to resolve. It totally depends on the network and what it allows, but I can see people sitting somewhere along the way using non-standard settings and basically rorting. They might refuse to…
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<p>I saw Cale at the ICA in London, must have been 99-00 something like that?</p><p>Not a standard gig though, it was him and a DJ and they were joined by a woman singer at the end for a song cycle about spies in WWII (or something).  He played a…</p>
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						<blockquote>The idea's been around for ages. I can see why it hasn't taken off here. I, for instance don't live within cooee of anyone else with a wireless router. If I wanted to be part of such a network, I couldn't. I'd be starting it up. Which means I need…</blockquote>
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						I saw John Cale at the gluepot both 83 and 86...he played twice each time and I saw both shows.  The Bruce Mason blurb says he last played here at the Gluepot.  He actually stopped back thru 2 weeks later from Aussie and played at the Windsor (or the bar…
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I think one of the main problems with wireless mesh networks (we were trying to design one in the early 90s) is that they need a certain access point density in order to 'jell' (they are pretty pointless unless most APS can see at least 3 others) &ndash; in Dunedin…
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						sigh &ndash; just the thought of Dunedin's old unused gas mains running up every street in my neighborhood and most of the city makes me sad &ndash; they were supposedly sold in their entirety to Telecom for $1 so that Clear wouldn't get them &ndash; selling the 'copper' back to…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						A friend of mine lives in LA. She gets her wireless internet through the telephone/light pole outside the apartment. Apparently the city/county council has them installed and they pay to have a login. Which made sense to me, one good wireless connection could do 50 people rather than 50 people…
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				<title>StephenR</title>
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						I have a wireless network point and a decent telstra fibre connection, but I have a 10GB monthly limit. Mostly that's not a big problem, except when a new Ubuntu release comes out, but it would be the main reason I'd be reluctant to leave it wide open to the…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:15:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						Are mesh networks what IndraNet (Christchurch based NZ company) have been doing for a while? <a href="http://www.indranet.co.nz/technology/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.indranet.co.nz/technology/</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:13:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						I'm still stuck with Woosh at home, since I've moved flat a few times and don't want to go through the hassle of installation and having to have a landline. It can grind down to dialup speeds at times, but can be acceptable at others. Nevertheless, things like streaming video…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:52:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote>It sounds like things here in Mt Eden are moderately better. I'm on holiday this week and I'm shocked at the novelty of having reasonably speedy DSL at home. Normally when I use it in the evenings it craaaawwwllls along (though mysteriously seems to jump back up to speedy at…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:48:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						My WiFi router's SID is my street address &ndash; sadly, no one's ever asked for a login. But I can see three other networks from home.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:44:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How I fucking hate it when my DSL connection goes slower than England v South Africa, or just bloody crashes and burns altogether</p></blockquote><p>It sounds like things here in Mt Eden are moderately better. I'm on holiday this week and I'm shocked at the novelty of having reasonably speedy DSL…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:34:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Brown</title>
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						<a href="http://log.lachstock.com.au/past/2007/10/15/meshing-with-meraki/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Meshing in Australia</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Does the government even need a strategy for mesh networks?</p><p>The idea's been around for ages. I can see why it hasn't taken off here. I, for instance don't live within cooee of anyone else with a wireless router. If I wanted to be part of such a network, I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:11:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Thom James</title>
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						Ah, the Chev, how I love thee. How I love havin brekkie on my deck overlooking Meola Creek on a lazy Sunday morning. How I love summer barbies & footie down in Coyle Park. How I love Sage's lamb madras. How I fucking hate it when my DSL connection goes slower…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Don't hold your breath over the John Cale concert &ndash; I was sorely disappointed in his 2002 concert at London's Festival Hall.</p></blockquote><p>The reviews have been great this year &mdash; see <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/~werksman/cale/live_reviews/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p>
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						Don't hold your breath over the John Cale concert &ndash; I was sorely disappointed in his 2002 concert at London's Festival Hall. I guess having the Boredoms warm up for him was a mistake in retrospect &ndash; they absolutely rocked the joint. Cale was actually so bad that we left…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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