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chris

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 21:18:50 +1200

Damn the 15 minutes...

And please excuse this omission, but it's not limited to technology companies, As I watch my nightly movie on one of the free Chinese movie sites, exposed to ads by Hyundai, Acer, Apple, Maybelline and for a while there even the NZ company Zespri, knowing that…

chris

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:53:59 +1200

Certainly Stephen, my words are often picked from the pantry willy-nilly I apologize if I misrepresent. I use armament and crimes specifically in reference to the recently implemented NZ legislation which I feel is remarkably hard line compared to the relative freedom accorded to citizens, by other governments.

With regards…

Stephen Judd

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:34:02 +1200

I don't think words like crimes, armament or anti-artist are really very helpful here. Even you Chris seem to be ambivalent about the "crime" label.

One might look at the old slogan that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Apple doesn't share files, users of Apple devices share files.…

chris

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:17:32 +1200

This doesn’t make much sense given that Apple are a leader in the legal digital music market.

As well as making copious amounts of money selling hardware in markets with massive IPR issues, with an awareness of how these products will be used. To be fair I'm not singling out…

Stephen Judd

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:48:48 +1200

I learned recently that in Brazil, things revert to the public domain IF they haven’t been published in a long time. So I am merrily downloading Brazilian music that’s out of copyright there because the holders can’t be arsed making it available.

That strikes me as sound. The publishing cost…

Russell Brown

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:57:23 +1200

Russell, while you deeply dislike these people, you (and correct me if I’m wrong here) do seem to hold a great deal of respect for hardware and software companies such as Apple and Microsoft that have facilitated this sea change, companies who make billions of dollars of profit facilitating people’s…

Kyle Matthews

Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:54:16 +1200

chris

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:29:14 +1200

I deeply dislike the phenomenon of people who can damn well afford to pay for work grabbing artists’ entire catalogues in one torrent.

Russell, while you deeply dislike these people, you (and correct me if I’m wrong here) do seem to hold a great deal of respect for hardware and…

Paul Williams

Mon, 16 May 2011 17:23:40 +1200

Dale, although it's sometime after the discussion, I finally found the photo I took at an '80s exhibition recently – initial/original lyrics for what I think is a damn fine INXS song, Kiss the Dirt.

Moz

Sat, 14 May 2011 18:08:09 +1200

For $20-odd you can get better ones that you can adjust by pulling in and out. Stuff sounds a lot better. I'd be interested in anyone else's recommendations.

I use industrial safety ones that look a lot like the alpine ones but cost about $10 and last about 10 years.…

recordari

Tue, 10 May 2011 14:19:07 +1200

a selection of '80s gig posters from Sydney *

I see Big Pig in there who were going to be my next choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCcnazy88U

Simon Grigg

Tue, 10 May 2011 13:20:58 +1200

its hard to find a Keith Monks machine, They were usually bought by radio stations for record cleaning duties.

Not that hard it seems.

There is a second hand vinyl shop in Singapore that I've spent too much money in, which has a machine that washes each record you've bought…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 10 May 2011 10:34:07 +1200

up against the wall...
a selection of '80s gig posters from Sydney *
for your edification... more here

*some interesting ephemera on links, too.

I'm still trying to find a trace of The Sheiks
they were a real fun Sydney band,
a good night out as I recall...
(Memories may…

Rob Hosking

Tue, 10 May 2011 09:10:38 +1200

Its a cover but they do it justice. And Tex gets to show his best features.

Indeed. As he does on this marvellous infomercial which, I believe, was for a genuine album he had to make for contractual reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqzLXxhHR2c

andin

Tue, 10 May 2011 06:32:54 +1200

Probably the best option. its hard to find a Keith Monks machine, They were usually bought by radio stations for record cleaning duties. And are now probably in garages and basements, those that survived the switch to CDs.

Its a cover but they do it justice. And Tex gets to…

Rob Stowell

Mon, 09 May 2011 22:37:37 +1200

I had a friend and flatmate with a huge record collection. Never did the dishes, but he used to come into the kitchen and wash his records. Always cracked me up, seeing this big stack of records lined up like plates in the drying rack.
Works quite well on dirty…

Simon Grigg

Mon, 09 May 2011 19:21:00 +1200

Recommended for cleaning up the vinyls was warm water and a squirt of detergent.

As the owner of a silly number of bits of vinyl, I'd agree Jacqui. All the fancy sprays in the world won't get your record as clean as water and detergent – the latter used very…

Rich Lock

Mon, 09 May 2011 19:20:05 +1200

Wow, thanks. I can use them for both concerts and while hooning around on my 2-stroke scooter.

Yep, I use them at gigs and on my motorbike. I find they work well for both.

Jacqui Dunn

Mon, 09 May 2011 18:58:19 +1200

Back in the day, I worked at an ad agency that used to do the Lever Hit Parade (with Ted Thorpe). Recommended for cleaning up the vinyls was warm water and a squirt of detergent. It loosens up the dirt and gets rid of the grease. Rinse, and dry with…

andin

Mon, 09 May 2011 16:29:07 +1200

Sadly I also discovered that old scratched up records sound old and scratched :(.

If you have the patience and the time, getting hold of a good record cleaning machine – a nitty gritty or Keith Monks – and give your records a clean, it is well worth it.
the…

recordari

Mon, 09 May 2011 14:56:18 +1200

Alpine earplugs are the most comfortable and effective ones I've found. And they're not expensive.

Wow, thanks. I can use them for both concerts and while hooning around on my 2-stroke scooter.

Russell Brown

Mon, 09 May 2011 13:48:29 +1200

Alpine earplugs are the most comfortable and effective ones I've found. And they're not expensive.

They're a step up from the ones I have at the moment. Might investigate before Saturday.

Russell Brown

Mon, 09 May 2011 13:47:37 +1200

Yeah, apparently he suddenly got a load of free money from somewhere......:)

Heh. If only I could get my money from Paypal that easily ...

Rich Lock

Mon, 09 May 2011 13:39:05 +1200

Righto. Bought a new turntable.

that was quick.

Yeah, apparently he suddenly got a load of free money from somewhere......:)

Rich Lock

Mon, 09 May 2011 13:34:25 +1200

I take earplugs to any show I think is going to be loud, and certainly to anything at the Powerstation. There have been gigs I simply couldn't have enjoyed without them — like, for example, Shayne Carter's retrospective set at the Stroke launch. That was loud.
I would advise not…

Bart Janssen

Mon, 09 May 2011 09:55:42 +1200

Looking forward to it arriving now ...

If you're like me you'll spend the first week with it discovering things in your vinyl collection that you'd forgotten. I spent some time going back and forth between vinyl and CD to get a sense of the difference, my ears aren't as…

recordari

Mon, 09 May 2011 07:45:42 +1200

More ponies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsjseK5BktA

and no word from China?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KofUP7jPkMc&feature=related

They're behind the Great Wall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu1CI9bbQ9s

andin

Mon, 09 May 2011 07:27:53 +1200

Easy peasy to gnarled old rockers giving the crowd what they want.
A lyric to sing along with?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMM77ldrfV4

And bubblegum, one of those great forgotten fads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLX70bFdVU

Kumara Republic

Mon, 09 May 2011 02:19:31 +1200

Another one to add – the vocals of Ian and Jimmy surprisingly mesh quite well. I'm tempted to do a Warcraft machinima to this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsFFBc7dhD0

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 08 May 2011 21:50:45 +1200

more ocker pallor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JYeYfQiWVs

Easy peasy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idS9P2OeYLU&feature=related

here there be Dragons...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSCiJofGhk&feature=related

Mental elf warning!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSGtg26-TpU

n-n-n-not Paul Hardcastle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

Kyle Matthews

Sun, 08 May 2011 21:35:00 +1200

Our plan is a 20Gb per month plan, which is absolutely fine most of the time. IN that 20Gb though, there is also a 2Gb daily restriction which, if breached, knocks us back to dial-up speed for the day afterwards. So buying a game through Steam takes planning and foresight…

Tim H.

Sun, 08 May 2011 19:57:13 +1200

When Napster was about I revelled in it. It was astonishing, the depth of the catalogue was unlike anything we've seen before.

After that I didn't really get into any of the other sharing networks, too hard, too seedy.

Now YouTube more or less fills that gap. Great place to…

andin

Sun, 08 May 2011 16:29:17 +1200

I read it with increasing horror. I hope a libel action is really seriously looked at.

Thanks again. I figured out what the problem was.

ChrisW

Sun, 08 May 2011 12:13:40 +1200

Holy crapIn the off-Key case, I reckon that would be 'unholy crap'

andin

Sun, 08 May 2011 11:09:08 +1200

Thanks. Dont know why I couldnt load it.

Holy crap

My thoughts exactly.

Peter Darlington

Sun, 08 May 2011 10:52:08 +1200

With infinite patience a friend over years of visiting flea markets in AK has lucked onto a few things. Including the turntable I use, a Rega Planar for $25.

$25?? Holy crap, paid $1000 for mine in 1989. :(

recordari

Sun, 08 May 2011 09:04:50 +1200

Rega Planar for $25.

Nice. Got mine for nothing, although I had to manufacture a counter weight, which I used for 15 years before replacing the whole tone arm for $265. Glass plate Planar 2. Manual as hell, but love it's sound. Have been a bit of a tin-arse with…

ChrisW

Sun, 08 May 2011 08:14:22 +1200

Manning on Key on Jon Stephenson – try this.

andin

Sun, 08 May 2011 07:25:10 +1200

Been trying for two days now to read Selwyn Manning's story on Scoop about Key's dissing of Jon Stephenson. I just cant get that page to load which seems odd, everything else loads. Just not that page. Can someone who can open it put a link here, please.

andin

Sun, 08 May 2011 06:42:07 +1200

Righto. Bought a new turntable,
that was quick. I had thought I’d quiz a few friends and might have scared up an older english made turntable for you.

With infinite patience a friend over years of visiting flea markets in AK has lucked onto a few things. Including the turntable…

R A Hurley

Sun, 08 May 2011 02:21:22 +1200

Oops. I actually came in here to post some Australian music videos. Here are two of my favourites. One from the actual, sun-blasted Australia where everything is poisonous... Venom P. Stinger's classic "Walking About"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlgFbgK1rw

And one from the more mythic Australia of Dave Graney. Somehow, this song seems to…

R A Hurley

Sun, 08 May 2011 02:07:08 +1200

Oh wow. I LOVE this thread. I just watched the video for James Reyne's 'Motor's Too Fast.' What a lift! I knew the song well enough, but the video is stone cold brilliant... While it's ostensibly a bog-standard entry in the Corey Hart 'Sunglasses At Night' oeuvre (enigmatic women, immaculate…

Kumara Republic

Sun, 08 May 2011 00:26:56 +1200

Starter for 10 anyone, what's the kiwi link with Midnight Oil ?

I was tempted to say, this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_7Z1dePC5A

Peter Darlington

Sat, 07 May 2011 21:08:26 +1200

I love Amplifier for what they do for NZ offerings, and think that's a model that could stand to be deployed more widely.

Word up. Love what Amplifier do and a key message is their interest in and devotion to NZ music. Their d/l system is actually really basic, they…

Rob S

Sat, 07 May 2011 20:38:14 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIrUqsB-0vw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GueNOKolo

JP Hansen

Sat, 07 May 2011 19:00:49 +1200

I want to a James Reyne gig at the Powerstation in the early 90s – it was bloody amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opejf7SfKto

And then I remembered this ridiculous cover from the Andrew Denton radio show (Wuthering Heights).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fg-zPKeI9U

Better Reyne cover (April Sun with Mark Seymour)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcggXv_SlA

Oh, and another two from…

JP Hansen

Sat, 07 May 2011 18:31:25 +1200

Hi Paul,

I assume you're talking Reckless, not Gimme Shelter? :-P

Yeah, Spicks & Specks started again this week, thank goodness. I’m am huge fan – brilliant show. I only found Adam Hills talk / guest show while searching to see when S&S was due to start again.

I have been watching…

Dale Griffiths

Sat, 07 May 2011 18:23:48 +1200

Thanks – the technology is getting too hard, I remember 78s

TracyMac

Sat, 07 May 2011 17:58:44 +1200

Going way upstream to the discussion on download limits and large game files, Internode here in Oz act as a mirror for Steam (and other) game content, and it doesn't come off your download quota. I've only got a 30GB plan, and I've never exceeded it. It's certainly in their…

TracyMac

Sat, 07 May 2011 17:39:59 +1200

All those tracks – the Church, Midnight Oil, Icehouse, etc are awesome. And chalk me up for another who loved that Do Re Mi anthem. :-)

Paul Williams

Sat, 07 May 2011 17:15:01 +1200

JP, thanks so much for that link. I love that song and this is a wonderful version.

Re Adam Hills, his show is good – he's very good; he's got the right mix of larrikin and charming bloke. His music quiz show, Spicks and Specks is very good and includes…

Glenn Pearce

Sat, 07 May 2011 17:04:52 +1200

That was quick. The bonus for 5 was going to be where is he now, but Wikipedia lists it there anyway.

Something of a contrast from Suburban Reptiles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpxFqMhTx2E

Dave Patrick

Sat, 07 May 2011 16:24:59 +1200

That looks like a nice turntable – this may be a silly question, but have you checked your amp has a "ground" connector for the turntable (I'm assuming it has, if you've already checked that it's got a phono input).

The USB-direct turntables I've seen invariably look a bit tinny…

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 07 May 2011 15:43:48 +1200

T = starter for 10...
... what's the kiwi link with Midnight Oil ?
I got the Mondo Rock one wrong,
but this time I'm pretty sure the answer
is that noted Masochist, Suburban
Lounge Lizard and Swinger:
Wayne Stevens

Russell Brown

Sat, 07 May 2011 15:34:28 +1200

Are you using an old amp – I didn't think modern amps had phono ins

A not-too-old JVC receiver, which does have phono input. Pre-amps are expensive!

Rich of Observationz

Sat, 07 May 2011 15:23:38 +1200

That sounds very reasonable. The USB recording turntables I have seen have been the low-end Numark with a phono-preamp / USB card inside.

Are you using an old amp – I didn't think modern amps had phono ins? Or have you got a DJ-oriented soundcard like the Native Instruments Audio…

Russell Brown

Sat, 07 May 2011 15:15:59 +1200

Righto. Bought a new turntable, the Sherwood PM-9805, $199 from the JB HiFi online store — $250 less than the list price on the Sherwood NZ website, $100 less than it was instore at the local JB and about $60 cheaper than on the Australian JB online store. No built-in USB…

Glenn Pearce

Sat, 07 May 2011 15:05:57 +1200

Music videos never did Midnight Oil justice. Live and loud is how they were to be enjoyed.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/RO7n2m8O_og

Starter for 10 anyone, what's the kiwi link with Midnight Oil ?

andin

Sat, 07 May 2011 13:14:21 +1200

And the driving.............lots of driving....
That drummer looks familiar...of course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oIo3614uZg&feature=related

Peter Darlington

Sat, 07 May 2011 12:56:24 +1200

Yes. And that goes for legitimately free content as well. With Kindle-like products (and possibly the Kindle as well) you can download thousands of out-of-copyright classics for free and a friend was just telling me the other day he had done so. Good on him, but... how is he ever…

Peter Darlington

Sat, 07 May 2011 12:51:03 +1200

Cool! At the risk of (justifiably) being labelled a skite, I was lucky to see him perform it on Tuesday at the recording of this week's Later with Jools Holland. You could hear a pin drop in the studio – it was great.

Thanks for that, yes I'm jealous. I…

recordari

Sat, 07 May 2011 11:49:45 +1200

Here's a brief write-up; I'm looking forward to seeing the full-length hour tonight.

What struck me most about that article from Jools Holland was the 'Adele (305,000 followers)' etc. So, if you're not basically a religion, you're not there yet? Actually, I think Adele is worthy of some of the…

Scott A

Sat, 07 May 2011 11:42:40 +1200

Oooh, a H&C thread! And combined with copyright too! And, that's convenient, 'cos they sorta merge for me. I was a huge Hunters and Collectors fan back in the 80s / 90s, but over time the only CD left in my collection were "Collected Works" and a couple of later ones…

Rob Hosking

Sat, 07 May 2011 10:38:08 +1200

"Throw Your Arms Around Me" is the "Ke Sahn" for a generation of Aussies. Hearing every person in a packed, drunken train trip from the races at Flemington singing it word perfect, strangers singing the harmonies together – made me a bit (for a moment) jealous that Australians have such…

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 07 May 2011 09:56:45 +1200

Gig legs, giggles...
Newcastle RSLfucking stairs, Leagues clubs, the Tivoli, Dee Why pub, Frenchs
The Hopetoun. Des Truction playing C&W. Balmain on a sunday Selinas
Rollerskating Disco oh dear.....
...Bondi Lifesaver, The Civic, Blacktown RSL, some bar in The Cross...
– weirdest lug – packing into the Newcastle RSL (oh the…

andin

Sat, 07 May 2011 07:54:41 +1200

The Slaughtermen?

That was it. And yes they were great live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAaShR-v2rA&feature=related

Tamsin6

Sat, 07 May 2011 03:17:34 +1200

Love this thread! Will have to read it again when I am home from work so I can see some of the You Tube stuff blocked here...

A few interesting developments with Spotify in the past few weeks –

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2011/tc2011055_645076.htm

Be interesting to see what happens next.

DexterX

Sat, 07 May 2011 01:16:02 +1200

I endorse earplugs and if they fall out or you forget them then compressed tissue paper, provided you have them, create an adequate substitute.

Either way your ears make the adjustment and you get to enjoy the music without the damage.

DexterX

Sat, 07 May 2011 01:05:28 +1200

Yeah that happened Brewster did the whole gig – shit it used to make me cringe – you would go see a gig and some out of his mind cock head would throw a can of beer at the act – I saw it happen to Lou Reed in Auckland.…

Simon Grigg

Sat, 07 May 2011 00:58:57 +1200

Des Truction playing C&W.

The Slaughtermen? I didn't ever get to see them but I'm told they were great.

kiwicmc

Sat, 07 May 2011 00:29:25 +1200

One of my Aussie faves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAE8jLi_hI

I have it on vinyl somewhere in a box in my dad's garage – probably now a warped, cracked mess. Everytime I go home I look at the boxes but daren't open them...

On the H&C front it has taken me about 25 years to…

andin

Fri, 06 May 2011 22:16:57 +1200

As good as it gets.

Yeah but a lot of it went over the general populace's head. And CC were populist.
Fuck listen to me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dDRQRFDbu8

It was odd but a wonderful collision of artistic endeavour and....a population looking for a good time. As its said Woohoo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cepSg0HswdE

Ethan Tucker

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:57:57 +1200

On a side note, I was at a friends 50th party a few weeks ago. He had his decks set out and when he dropped the new James Blake single (Limit to your love) on brand new shiny vinyl and that big bass drop kicked in, we all fell about…

Richard Llewellyn

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:50:45 +1200

Although Gary Steel mentioned a digital-to-analog converter that you can buy as an iDevice accessory — it bypasses the built-in converter and the results are apparently very good

What is this wonderful sounding device? If there is a magic box available to make ipod music sound better – do tell!

Rickai

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:45:16 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILd1O44BDqc

As good as it gets.

JP Hansen

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:28:50 +1200

Oh, one more given Finn & McGlashan covering Throw Your Arms.... This is fun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jW8Xmoif54

And Adam Hills' talk show was great. Finally fills that Rove gap. Or so my Aunty in Australia tells me.

JP Hansen

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:23:17 +1200

Aussie Rock, eh?

Ocker Rocker royalty (plus N Finn and apparently D Dobbyn) cover Gimme Shelter at some 80s Live Aid type thing – hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHPM4A42h7w

Islander

Fri, 06 May 2011 21:09:05 +1200

This is a matter that truly interests me- when the Kobo came stacked with a hundred free books (mainly from Guttenberg) *which couldnt be deleted* – I perused the titles…some I had; all I didnt have, I didnt crave- so, why would I bother to buy such a thing? If…

giovanni tiso

Fri, 06 May 2011 20:47:16 +1200

I also have a theory that it destroys music for the grabber. If you nabbed the 70GBs of music off one of my hard drives you'd have an instant ridiculously good (ahem) music collection but it would be a hard thing to penetrate. Gems would be lost, whole back catalogues…

andin

Fri, 06 May 2011 20:26:52 +1200

the sound of chugging riffing guitars, stop it you taking me back.
And its only flash's now.
Newcastle RSLfucking stairs, Leagues clubs, the Tivoli, Dee Why pub, Frenchs
The Hopetoun. Des Truction playing C&W. Balmain on a sunday Selinas
Rollerskating Disco oh dear.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMSyumchMWA&feature=related

Hamish.MacEwan

Fri, 06 May 2011 18:36:52 +1200

> But, by the same token, it does irk me when people who'd scream blue murder about someone breaching the letter of the GPL seem to act as if the creator's right is valueless.

The GPL is a public good, IPR is a private monopoly.

I'd react differently to them…

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 18:36:10 +1200

I was being ironic. No tag for that.

Apologies for missing it, glad we agree.

Aidan

Fri, 06 May 2011 18:32:52 +1200

Aidan, the Church had an ok song? Under the Milky Way is brilliant.

I was being ironic. No tag for that.

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 18:05:57 +1200

The band was Mondo Rock – I remeber that Eagle Rock 'event" it was classic.

The Angels played on the Friday as I recall.

Mondo Rock – that was them.

Was that the Angels gig where someone chucked a (full) can at Rick Brewster, and he just carried on playing,…

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 17:42:37 +1200

I grew up in Sydney and was lucky enough to be exposed as a teenager to 2JJJ/TripleJay during

TripleJ is still a fine institution and although I think highly of student radio, I still think NZ missed out on the opportunity for a national network... I'm sure this is a…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 17:35:53 +1200

The solution to your problem at concerts is pretty simple, but makes you look slightly naff. Earpulgs. Trust me. Wear them once to a concert and you'll swear the sound is miles miles better and clearer. It is. Because earplugs tend to block out reverberating loudness, and absorb sound levels…

Christopher Dempsey

Fri, 06 May 2011 17:23:52 +1200

I also lost my hearing at Mainstreet for Midnight Oil. They started playing and I couldn't actually hear what they were playing for about 20 seconds because my ears were just squealing. That, and all that other abusive listening, is why I have the permanent high pitched friend (tinnitus) now.…

RaggedJoe

Fri, 06 May 2011 17:10:17 +1200

The Angels – playing a stange slightly hippy festival sometime late '80's near Hamilton – Mystrey Creek perhaps?. Heavy thunderstorm, rain, sleeping in a Kombi van on site, ah the memories (what's left of 'em).

Luke Williamson

Fri, 06 May 2011 17:06:29 +1200

I also meant to say that I purchased Bannerman album from Amplifier today (round of applause). Lovely album and happy to part with my $$ but got to Bannerman by two free tracks from other sources. Free downloads is also a good way to find out if that album you…

DexterX

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:56:12 +1200

The band was Mondo Rock – I remeber that Eagle Rock 'event" it was classic.

The Angels played on the Friday as I recall.

recordari

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:55:31 +1200

#nostalgia

That's the problem with this kind of thing. You get all caught up in the flow, and next thing you know you're out the back in the 3000s hunting for this.

Crime & The City Solution – Six Bells Chime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LyANVY1fwg

Luke Williamson

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:50:36 +1200

I saw H&C at Powerstation twice – once with brass section and then just bass, guitar and drums 3 piece. Both spectacularly good but I think the 3-piece was just that little bit better for the sheer raw beauty of it. Seymour was outstanding. I also lost my hearing at Mainstreet…

Rob Stowell

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:40:20 +1200

Just ’cos noones giving him the nod: Ed Keupper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL8V_sqoLNk&feature=related
Sooo love the electrical storm album: not a dud track. For me, very evocative of arriving in Sydney (in something of an emotional storm) in 1987.

Bart Janssen

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:22:36 +1200

oh! it did it automatically! Wunderbar!

Dude that's what we paying for :)

octopusgrrl

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:22:24 +1200

I'm enjoying the 80s Oz music love going on here – I grew up in Sydney and was lucky enough to be exposed as a teenager to 2JJJ/TripleJay during what I would consider to be the best period of Australian music #nostalgia

Sacha

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:16:15 +1200

used to love playing that Do Re Mi track #nostalgia

Bart Janssen

Fri, 06 May 2011 16:03:16 +1200

So how do I get around it?

Just fill in your address with a US address. I use a real one of a friend but I've heard of people using fast food outlets as their address

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:35:09 +1200

Can someone please e-mail me and explain in very simple terms, how to post 1) a youtube clip and 2) a link ? Sorry for my dumb-arseness. (I realise there’s the basic explanation below, but I’ve tried with it and failed).

Paste in the URL with the http:// and www…

recordari

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:28:17 +1200

Ooohh, ponies...

Wow, this thread has been train spotting heaven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTV3wj3ry2w&annotation_id=annotation_510578&feature=iv

Towtruck
ETA: Me too. I have the EP, but couldn't find it online to play.

One more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbf5gD6S2W8

Simon Grigg

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:21:30 +1200

So much great stuff from Australia over this period is online – a couple more that work for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I2vEcVC_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJNM_fS_DiE

The last one (with the great headgear) is pretty obscure but I was was lucky enough to get boxes of Australian 7"s in the early to mid 1980s and…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:20:40 +1200

the Band back in the day
I've always harboured a soft spot for 'Towtruck' off the Payload EP
and the Toni Collette version of Throw your arms around me in the movie Cosi was nice too

Tim Michie

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:17:09 +1200

Such verve. Such taste. I don't suppose anybody remembers this? Perhaps not troubled by either, I liked it.

Paul Rowe

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:08:21 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tY98T-6tdw&feature=related

A bit of broetherly love. And I could never understand why the 'guest' is playing a guitar tuned to a chord, when the chords couldn't be simpler.

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:06:54 +1200

Aidan, the Church had an ok song? Under the Milky Way is brilliant. I'd thought it was a NZ song as I first heard it performed by Strawpeople – I still like both versions.

For a more recent rock/pop/slightly glam track, how's Silverchair's Straight Lines?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47P3bzefCVI

Rob, I was very…

Aidan

Fri, 06 May 2011 15:02:24 +1200

Icehouse ... GSL was pretty big when I were a kiddie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkidP2OUCk

The Oils ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pKPNnk-JhE

My memory of that song is being a lot heavier. Sounds sort of pussy now.

The Church had another sort of ok song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-mQyRuHIuA

Aus did produce a bunch of pretty bland pub rock…

Peter Darlington

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:57:39 +1200

I've got a great pair of Wharfdales that I got ages ago for 25% of original retail. They were hopeless TV room speakers — apart from anything else, they're rear-vented and shouldn't be placed against walls — but they have now been liberated as our deck speakers. A bit heavy…

Rob S

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:53:08 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnHoqHscTKE

Andre Alessi

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:52:14 +1200

Completely off topic, but...Cry havoc and let slip the cats of war!

Grant McDougall

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:50:21 +1200

Russell, did you ever get your leather jacket back ? I seem to recall your H&C story ending with a plea for it to be returned.

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:40:33 +1200

Christopher, True Tears is brilliant, love it.

Every Hunters discussion must include a reference to the Holy Grail... reckon this could be for the All Blacks... but it's more likely for the Saints

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQI5fdVCvlU

Anyone remember the Finn/Sports Cafe RWC song circa 2003? I love it, it reminds me of…

Grant McDougall

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:37:14 +1200

Can someone please e-mail me and explain in very simple terms, how to post 1) a youtube clip and 2) a link ? Sorry for my dumb-arseness. (I realise there's the basic explanation below, but I've tried with it and failed).

Christopher Dempsey

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:37:04 +1200

A bit heavy to move around, but gee they sound fine outdoors.

I'm glad that you're in Albert-Eden Ward and not Waitemata. :)

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:29:32 +1200

A lot of the MP3s in my personal collection are rarities that have long since gone out of print, or were otherwise released only in a couple of markets.

Hipster.

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:29:02 +1200

Turntable's all good but it's speakers for me, sounding loose and aged. Was embarrassed just how good Rob's setup sounded at his party.

I've got a great pair of Wharfdales that I got ages ago for 25% of original retail. They were hopeless TV room speakers — apart from anything…

Peter Darlington

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:25:02 +1200

And that James Blake anecdote make me even more determined to replace the turntable that broke a while ago. I’ve still got quite a lot of vinyl, just nothing to play it on at the moment.

Turntable's all good but it's speakers for me, sounding loose and aged. Was embarrassed…

Christopher Dempsey

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:24:35 +1200

oh! it did it automatically! Wunderbar!

Christopher Dempsey

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:24:05 +1200

I went through a H&C spell a while back. Is it very wrong of me to like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrfHz-PfBM

Err, how does one embedded again? This is the first time I've tried to do this...

Kumara Republic

Fri, 06 May 2011 14:05:02 +1200

Is it me, or does this Icehouse gem feel very... Wellingtonian?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS31iCcCxeA

A lot of the MP3s in my personal collection are rarities that have long since gone out of print, or were otherwise released only in a couple of markets.

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:57:02 +1200

Can I play a flat rate and get access to a media companies categloue all month?

I'd chuck sony or warners 50 bucks a month each if i could listen to or watch all i wanted during that month. Is this business model not enough money or are they just…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:51:20 +1200

Try this: http://youtu.be/XvQHlE9QF_4

Unfortunately, the YouTube short URLs don't work with our auto-embedding. You have to use the youtube.com ones. But I fixed you t'other one.

Dale Griffiths

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:48:30 +1200

Try this: http://youtu.be/XvQHlE9QF_4

Dale Griffiths

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:47:23 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvQHlE9QF_4

I think this might be the reference to Karen Hay. The only INXS song I like and I still remember Karen’s comment when this video finished “I never knew Australians’ had so much class!”
I was on iTunes playing around the other week when the Hoodoos popped up, that…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:46:15 +1200

Ross McA.

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:33:08 +1200

I love the immediacy of downloads (legal), cos I can hear or think of a track I want and get it there and then. Latest and top of my pops is Left By Soft by David Kilgour. Layers of yummy guitars.

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:27:34 +1200

Gary Young was in Jo Jo Zep after Daddy Cool
I think their big hit here was Walk on By

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbngYPU1jus

(added) and looking at the other clips available – who knew that Jane Clifton sang with them?
I thought she was reporting in Wellington back then, I remember her…

Anonymous Author

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:21:14 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBcVS16_XM&feature=related
What is it with the 80s and horns in Australia?
'Cacophony' was surely coined around 1983 to describe the incongruous wind section of a rock band.

Andre Alessi

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:19:51 +1200

Like Melissa Lee, I enjoy a good mixtape...

Boom! Roasted.

Michael Higgins

Fri, 06 May 2011 13:13:12 +1200

So many versions of "Throw Your Arms Around Me'. A good guide
here

st ephen

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:58:08 +1200

Back in the day I bought a Hunters and Collectors album specifically to get Throw Your Arms... – but it was a studio version, not the live version that student radio had been thrashing. So if I ever get around to illegally downloading the live version, that's my justification.
I…

nzlemming

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:47:40 +1200

Oooh! Oooh! A copyright thread!! :-D

I don't download anything I can buy and bugger all that I can't. I have more CDs than I can listen to and plenty of DVDs that I bought to watch "someday" already – I don't really need that many more. Maybe I'm a…

Gareth Davidson

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:45:33 +1200

H&C's last official gig before breaking up was in Hagley Park, Christchurch, as part of the City Council's Summertimes program. It must have been about 1996 or 97 I think. My flatmate at the time did a interview for TV with them and asked me to write some of the questions…

Tristan

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:43:00 +1200

The thing about living in this itunes world is that you have sooo much music you can forget about some favrouite artists for some time and then rediscover them all over again… So Missy Higgins welcome back to my play list!

On topic...

Can I play a flat rate and…

Grant McDougall

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:42:51 +1200

Russell, I remember reading your H & C cover story for RIU, really enjoyed it. I liked H&C's '80s stuff, but not their latter stuff. I eventually saw them in Dunedin in '92 or so and thought they were bloody dreadful, just this very bland, overly-slick upbeat pop / rock act. There…

Hadyn Green

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:42:31 +1200

WAAAAAaayyy off-topic but I really like the new beer-based economy you set up.
one third the price of a Ponsonby Road beer... one fifth of the price of a Sydney beer

Peter Darlington

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:41:42 +1200

I deeply dislike the phenomenon of people who can damn well afford to pay for work grabbing artists' entire catalogues in one torrent. I get a bit embarrassed if people, meaning well, give me copies of contemporary albums that I could buy if I wanted to.

I also have a…

Michael Higgins

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:39:51 +1200

Mark Seymour's book about H&C – '13 Tonne Theory' – is one of the best music books I've read in a long time (and I'm not their biggest fan). Great insight into the workings of a far from conventionally structured band. Very funny too... 'Throw Your Arms...' was the final straw…

3410

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:39:48 +1200

I really wish the major labels could get their shit sorted on regional licensing.

So how do I get around it?

Not too thrilled at the idea of sending credit card details through a proxy (and it's too obscure – hipster alert! – to be otherwise found on the web).

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:37:19 +1200

I have a favourite "Sweetwaters moment" memory of the guy from Daddy Cool in his new band (can't remember their name, can't remember the name of the song that made them briefly famous) – at the end of their set, every member of the band (there were about 7) except…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:27:39 +1200

Man, the Chev gots the fibre!

Duh.

Martin Lindberg

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:26:46 +1200

...upped out Telecom DSL to 80Gbit/s

Man, the Chev gots the fibre!

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:26:30 +1200

Speaking of buying mp3s, I tried to buy an mp3-only album on Amazon yesterday and was informed that it was only available to US customers.

What's up with that?

I really wish the major labels could get their shit sorted on regional licensing.

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:24:49 +1200

One of my favorite Hunter's memories was them encoring at the Powerstation with the Saints Aussie classic " Know your Product"....brass section at full blast. Sensational !

OMG. I'd forgotten that!

'Know Your Product' is, as I have noted here previously, one of the greatest rock 'n' roll songs ever.…

Nigel Russell

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:19:49 +1200

One of my favorite Hunter's memories was them encoring at the Powerstation with the Saints Aussie classic " Know your Product"....brass section at full blast. Sensational !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLbyaNbhHdU

3410

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:19:35 +1200

Speaking of buying mp3s, I tried to buy an mp3-only album on Amazon yesterday and was informed that it was only available to US customers.

What's up with that?

LIISA

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:15:47 +1200

I'm totally keen and committed to paying artsists and their investors who help get the music made and out there – I spend a lot of my time (far too much, because it is actually very hard to do) trying to make sure artists might what is due to them.…

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:15:07 +1200

I'm in the middle of a major Paul Kelly bro'mance. He supported Dylan last week, doing a small acoustic set with his nephew Dan Kelly. I also saw him at a book signing. Sadly I missed his concert series, A – Z, each and every song. Cool.

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:14:00 +1200

and essentially the entire pub was singing along to an acoustic duo.

That's such a nice story.

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:12:16 +1200

Another blast from the 80s past – and yet more paisley :D

Great song. And Kilbey was such a fop.

Rob S

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:12:00 +1200

Karen Hay,Radio with Pictures late on Sunday around '85

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:09:54 +1200

Another blast from the 80s past – and yet more paisley :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osz-GQbX37o

recordari

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:08:05 +1200

Ok, so back on the Australian script. Missy H and Paul Kelly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fm27zZ4psw

and Missy doing my favourite Paul Kelly song, which doesn't seem to be on YT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqB9SXMo8g

Calcio

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:04:34 +1200

A small donation just made to your account as appreciation of your great work. Keep it going...

Matthew Littlewood

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:02:57 +1200

Now this, on the Mutton Birds fansite, is how free music should be done:
This page hosts rare or otherwise unavailable audio, mostly live recordings that aren't commercially available. The Mutton Birds' and Don McGlashan's studio albums can be bought online from Marbecks, Smoke CDs and Real Groovy among others.…

Damian Christie

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:02:23 +1200

Also, I know many of you will hate this man, but I don't, and I quite like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkRNz0tR7tc

(also, he sings it with Mark Seymour, so that kinda counts)

Damian Christie

Fri, 06 May 2011 12:01:28 +1200

Yeah, me too. The internet revived and reinvented my relationship with music.

I had this argument on friendbook the other day, re Jon Bon Jovi's comments that Steve Jobs killed music. I think the iPod, the MP3 etc, has not only revived, but actually created an interest in music for…

Katita

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:59:15 +1200

I was lucky eough to see the Hoodoos in Melbourne 2009 (I was heavily pregnant at the time, which made bopping a bit precarious). They all looked SO old. Whereas I'm sure I looked as fresh-faced as I did when I first saw them an age ago at the Powerstation.…

Paul Williams

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:55:14 +1200

I love Throw Your Arms, it is one of my favourite Aussie songs... Where I used to live, in Newtown (Sydney), I once was walking down King St and could hear it being sung but couldn't work out where. As I walked I realised it was a local pub, the…

Damian Christie

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:54:02 +1200

Ha, I was round at your floor manager's house the other day, digging through exactly that box – it's gems aplenty, and yes, I too dragged out Throw Your Arms Around Me and remembered my first flat on The Terrace...

I also managed to snaffle one of three copies in…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:53:36 +1200

So buying a game through Steam takes planning and foresight and a close eye on the download speed and meter, so I can pause it when we’re close to 2Gb and the resume it the next day. It annoys me.

I can see why!

I’ve just given up a Wired…

recordari

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:46:59 +1200

Yeah, me too. The internet revived and reinvented my relationship with music.
Yes indeed, and speaking of which, here's new Echo and The Bunnymen for free on rcrdlbl.com. What's it like? Still listening.

ETA: Life of 1,000 Crimes on first listening? Like.

Scungo

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:45:55 +1200

bloody hell Rob – hearing that opening after probably 20 years.... I'm digging the vinyl out as soon as I get home from the desk job! I vividly remember the first time I saw the video for "Talking to a Stranger" on Radio With Pictures – Sunday nights in Dargaville…

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:43:07 +1200

The complicating factor here is data usage caps. I'm on a plan that lets me use about 100-150 GB per month without blowing my budget, but I imagine that most people wanting to buy and download a 20+ GB game (World of Warcraft, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II, etc)…

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:40:15 +1200

That would have been about the right year, yep it was a brilliant concert, one of the best I've been to

Andre Alessi

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:39:28 +1200

FYI, for those among you who like the odd old game or two – GOG.com sells official, downloadable, Windows-compatible, DRM-free old games. I've bought Descent / Descent 2 / Total Annihilation – Kingdoms and a few others from there – ridiculously priced at mostly less than $10 each (US, but…

Andre Alessi

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:38:34 +1200

I think Steam deserves a lot of credit for making it possible to buy and use games in a reasonable fashion.

Steam has been great for me personally, as have other channels like D2D, etc The way in which old school and indie games are starting to show up in…

nothingelseon

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:38:10 +1200

Heh, was that the one when between bands they were playing the Violent Femmes album over the PA & everyone was singing along & dancing? I think it was 1984. Awesome night

nothingelseon

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:35:57 +1200

Surely this is the NZ equivalent of Throw Your Arms...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7HQ9lYGZG4

Jordan Luck surely one of NZ's best songwritwers

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:35:50 +1200

I blame the Hoodoos for my tinnitus, specifically one concert at the Gluepot where I spent the night squashed against the barrier in front of the stage, and couldn't hear anything for two days afterwards.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9JjwWhAoY

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:34:05 +1200

first time I’ve tried to do this. I’m a total computer noob

You nearly got it. It just needs to have the "http://" part in order to embed. Fixed now.

Rob S

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:30:25 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsAq9cA1OJ8

first time I’ve tried to do this. I’m a total computer noob

Jackie Clark

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:27:51 +1200

Yeah, me too. The internet revived and reinvented my relationship with music.

This. Absolutely.

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:27:29 +1200

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:25:11 +1200

The thing that annoys me about the copyright "debate" is the automatic assumption on the part of the representatives of the rights holders that every (illegal) download of an mp3 is a lost sale. I have bought WAY more CDs than I ever would have had I never downloaded a…

Dave Patrick

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:24:05 +1200

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:23:00 +1200

* I should clarify, I have downloaded three PC games in my time. Two of them, I downloaded free copies of because the publishers offered no demo versions and I didn’t know enough about the games to want to invest without trying them out.

My younger boy downloads the odd…

Andre Alessi

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:20:01 +1200

I’m generally happy to pay what’s asked for a given song (or movie, or TV series, or whatever) as long as the process for doing so isn’t too onerous. It’s seldom a question of price, although if I’ve decided I only want one song off an album, but my only…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:19:24 +1200

“Throw Your Arms Around Me” is the “Ke Sahn” for a generation of Aussies. Hearing every person in a packed, drunken train trip from the races at Flemington singing it word perfect, strangers singing the harmonies together – made me a bit (for a moment) jealous that Australians have such…

Scungo

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:17:24 +1200

heh – member since Jan 2007 and my first post! – so thought I'd double down!

recordari

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:16:41 +1200

Well, having posted Talking To A Stranger within living memory (so the last month or so) I'll go with some compatriots. Great for those 2am Karaoke sessions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cepSg0HswdE&feature=related

ETA
Notable for a lovely Finn-McGlashan version of 'Throw Your Arms Around Me' that you can just, like, have.
Thanks for reminding…

Russell Brown

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:16:15 +1200

Now this, on the Mutton Birds fansite, is how free music should be done:

This page hosts rare or otherwise unavailable audio, mostly live recordings that aren't commercially available. The Mutton Birds' and Don McGlashan's studio albums can be bought online from Marbecks, Smoke CDs and Real Groovy among others.…

Scungo

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:14:42 +1200

Donald Reid

Fri, 06 May 2011 11:13:10 +1200

Along with 'Shivers' and 'I'm Stranded' for Oz Rock's finest moment? (sorry, forgot the Go-Betweens and the Triffids)

Joanna

Fri, 06 May 2011 10:53:48 +1200

'Throw your arms around me' always makes me think of Shane on a rock, dying of tetnus in Angel's arms. Amiright? #homeandaway

Paul Campbell

Fri, 06 May 2011 10:49:41 +1200

Wish I could buy stuff from iTunes – when is that linux client coming? or at least Apple could make in not crash in wine

Public Address

Fri, 06 May 2011 10:49:41 +1200

Discussion from blog post.