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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>So, Prime Minister…you’re talking coalition with the Conservative Party, along with their “bottom line,” binding citizens referenda. And yet, your government wants the rest of us to believe that the centre-right is the epitome of “fiscal responsibility” and limited government spending.</p><p>Do I spot a contradiction here?<br />“Blue Elephant: The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:37:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						I'll renege on the "polling must be crap". Beloved tells me  National has risen. I  am astounded by John Key's attack, even more so if  they are popular. What does this guy not get about MMP: that it is a collaborative system designed to encourage co-operation rather than conflict?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:47:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p>The Nats' polling must be crap to go on this suicide mission so early in the year. Smacks of desperation if it's part of the grand plan.  Or John Key losing his patience and the plot if it's unscripted.</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11193679" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11193679</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:40:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mr Mark</title>
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						Good God !!!! I've been away too long. Craig party-voted Green at the last Election ???? Last I remember he was proclaiming himself the very, very proudest of proud Tories. It's like the world's suddenly turned upside-down and now, much like Baldrick, I have no idea what my name is…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:33:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						All excellent points, of course. Still, the fundamental structure of the system doesn't seem to have changed much at all &ndash; and one could say the same about many, if not most countries, China and NZ included.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:06:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What, beyond fashions and technologies, has changed?</q></p><p>Just a few things off the top of my head, particular to America:</p><p>-Women got the vote<br />-Blacks got the vote<br />-Homosexuality is allowed<br />-Education is near universal<br />-There is a welfare state</p><p>These are pretty big things to the people who got…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:58:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						That's a great read :)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:15:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<a href="http://homeschoolingwithdad.blog.co.nz/2014/01/26/election-year/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">What, beyond fashions and technologies, has changed</a>?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:27:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>This Election will, of course, be very tight indeed and there are a number of scenarios (like the one above) where Right Bloc support slightly eclipses the Left Bloc’s vote, but where the Left win a 1-3 seat majority in Parliament. Undemocratic ? Maybe. Upsetting to Craig Ranapia ? Absolutely.</q>…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:12:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>(And of course there’s the ongoing damage to the parties reputations, the basic principle that Labour stands in every seat and offers to represent every New Zealander etc.)</q></p><p>Plus the whole 2 wrongs don't make a right and why should the ugly gutter politics manipulation have to win .MMP doesn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:01:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p>Would it have given the seat to Goldsmith? I think that's something that needs to be proven.</p><p>Also, would it have caused an anti-Lab/Greens backlash that loses them a seat on the party vote? Because if so it's not a win.</p><p>(And of course there's the ongoing damage to the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:10:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Best bet would be for Labour and Greens to withdraw their nominations (at 11am on the morning they are due, leaving the National cndidate on the ballot paper). If they'd done that in 2011 it could have given the seat to Paul Goldsmith.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:48:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>where the Left win a 1-3 seat majority in Parliament. Undemocratic ? Maybe. Upsetting to Craig Ranapia ? Absolutely.</q></p><p>Don't count on that. Craig would rather campaign to limit a Labour/Green government to a single term than campaign for another term of a National/Winston government. I don't think he's too…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:37:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mr Mark</title>
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						<p>Personally, I'm hoping against hope that both NZ First and the Cons each receive 3-4 % of the Party-Vote, but no Electorate seat. </p><p>This Election will, of course, be very tight indeed and there are a number of scenarios (like the one above) where Right Bloc support slightly eclipses the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 01:11:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						Seeing more or less every western leader clustered tightly up towards the top right  corner in stark black and white was....informative.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:48:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I am still having trouble understanding my left from my right in politics. Is the mass murdering psychopath Stalin a lefty ?</q></p><p>The <a href="http://politicalcompass.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Political Compass</a> answers many of those questions:</p><p>__On the standard left-right scale, how do you distinguish leftists like Stalin and Gandhi? It's not sufficient to say that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:38:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Now, had Michael Joseph Savage managed to squeeze in a game of golf on said holiday, would that be a holiday? ;)</q></p><p>Only if he'd been invited by Stalin.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:31:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> and regularly holidayed at his Black Sea dacha.</q></p><p>Now, had Michael Joseph Savage managed to squeeze in a game of golf on said holiday, would that be a holiday? ;)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:01:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						In his time as PM, Michael Joseph Savage actively shared intelligence with the KGB, ran a wildly unpopular program of collectivisation with the help of Soviet advisors, pushed for a  trade pact with Stalin that would have undermined NZ’s sovereignty, and regularly holidayed at his Black Sea dacha. Assuming any…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:45:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						<p>@Bart and Craig</p><p>Not what I said- I said their political instincts were far-right. Really would expect better of Public Address. ( edit- actually I said they were far right, but having to temper their ambitions to what they thought would retain them power.)</p><p>In their own terms- they are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:47:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ethan Tucker</title>
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						In the discussion about Peter Dunne's reinstatement to ministerial status I've been disappointed (but not particularly surprised) that no-one in the media seems to have noticed or care that Internal Affairs was made available for Peter Dunne by sacking Chris Tremain from Cabinet. Tremain had only been in Cabinet since…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:24:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						If we have to have a centre-right government, better that the Maori Party hold the balance of power than the alternative...which is Colin Craig and the sectarian, camoflagued, issue-driven populist fruitcakes of the Conservative Party.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 08:57:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If Winston is going after Maori, rather than refugees or Asians, he must think he’s got a better shot with National than Labour.</q></p><p>When did going after the Maori Party stop being a fashionable blood sport in the Labour Party, and has anyone c.c.’d Shane Jones in on that memo?…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:32:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=11191570" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Meanwhile</a>:</p><p><q>Dr Sharples said some of the process of building closer links with Labour had begun, and he believed it was time to consider Labour as an alternative.</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:59:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						No worries. I thought it was a good enough piece of writing to want to push it out to like-minded friends. I felt as though there was a decent cadre of people out there who see things more as I do than is generally acknowledged in teh good old kiwi…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:12:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>National won’t overtly do anything to slag off Maori-specific policies to keep the Maori Party happy, but I doubt anyone in the party will be unhappy that Winston is taking this track. </q><br />Certainly not publically. One has only to recall Georgina Te Heuheu's stoicism when doused with a bucket of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:13:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I certainly don't think that Labour's front bench is that much more Maori-friendly than National, but in terms of the calculus of MMP, Winston has more to gain from attacking Maori in general, and the Maori Party in particular, if he intends to side with National. If (and it's a…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:45:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						Thanks for the link to the David Simon piece.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:40:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>If Winston is going after Maori, rather than refugees or Asians, he must think he’s got a better shot with National than Labour.</q><br />Maybe the patrician condescension of Labour rangatiras such as Clark and Palmer towards uppity natives is all in the past, but it still seems a grey enough…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:24:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>Well, <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/maori-party-policies-apartheid-winston-peters-5806840" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">that didn’t take long</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Nw Zealand First leader Winston Peters has described Maori Party policies as akin to apartheid.</p><p>Mr Peters, speaking at celebrations at Ratana Pa, said his party would never support separatist Maori Party policies such as having separate Maori units in prison and the separate Maori…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:01:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						I am disheartened by the fact that 'both sides' (the major parties National & Labour who would dominate after the election) seem to be happy to carry on with all the old parameters and paradigms that I see as having no benefit. To carry on along the 'accepted' economic and fiscal…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:56:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve spent all of 10 days in NZ, but I certainly get the impression you’re a much friendlier, more reasonable kind of right wing than our current government.</q></p><p>That's very kind, and flattering, but I assure you I can be spectacularly unfriendly and unreasonable with no prompting whatsoever. :)</p>
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						Well put. In a New Zealand context this government is right-wing, very. Globally, not so much but they're trying. And NZ is where we are, with one of the most workable of Western democracies, so why do we need to go down the path others have taken? They could learn…
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						My theory is that the biggest unspoken assumption/misconception/fallacy in modern politics is that the 'left'/'right' line or axis around which parties argue, and around which the voters group accordingly, doesn't move.  Ever.  So supposedly 'central' parties (Labour, National) trim their policies year-to-year leftwards or rightwards on the economy (and 'up'…
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				<title>Holly Grover</title>
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						<p>I've been reading this whole convo thinking 'political compass'</p><p>And also, that we need all to think about the way we think, as shown in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql3Jp3ydfE8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this old, yet very fantastic RSA animate</a>... and anything from the RSA about <strong>EMPATHY</strong>.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2011" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The political compass</a> certainly locates National fairly far-rightwards.</p><p>I've not dived too deeply into their methodology, but <a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the chart at the bottom of the analysis page</a> shows that relative to other parties globally, they're fairly central.  However, relative to the central vertical axis, they're pretty far rightwards.  Compared to where…</p>
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						<q>But we’ve had times and I tend to think this is one of those periods where those in the house feel they can do whatever the hell they like and to hell with what the party thinks, let alone what the people of the country want … usually because they…</q>
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						<p><q> you’re a much friendlier, more reasonable kind of right wing than our current government</q></p><p>My impression is there is a huge gap between what The National Party sees as the way to make NZ better and what this caucus is happy to do. It is one of the issues with…</p>
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						It seems to me that Craig is talking about the place of the Key Government (or more correctly, the National Party as a whole) on the spectrum of global left/right, in which case centrist is dead right. This is because left and right around the world (with a few exceptions…
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						<p><q>Um, yes, as am I?</q></p><p>I dunno, Craig. All I know of you is what you post here, and for the whole time John Key has been PM, I've spent all of 10 days in NZ, but I certainly get the impression you're a much friendlier, more reasonable kind of…</p>
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						<p><q>A third term will see a right-wards path that will be very hard to reverse or halt</q></p><p>Yep, and that worries me because we're hoping to get back to NZ in time for such a government. But the opinion polls I've been reading about have me hoping there's a chance…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I disagree Craig: the Key government is ideologically driven out of the very-definitely-right school of thought.</q></p><p>Um, yes, as am I?  But if that consititues "far-right" in any sense other than the kind of hyperbole where, according to DPF's resident trolls, the New Zealand Labour Party is downright Stalinist (even…</p>
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						I disagree Craig: the Key government  is ideologically driven out of the very-definitely-right school of thought. It's present actions and programme are set at the pragmatic  "what the electorate can be persuaded to accept" level of right wing; that will deepen next term as systemic changes wrought over the last…
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						<p><strong>Easily LED...</strong><br /><q>a ”light bulb ban”, effective 1 Jan 2014.</q><br />Was there no incandescent rage?</p>
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						<p><q>Disagree dude. They are far right</q></p><p>OK, martin, I guess it all depends on where your political center of gravity is but if you think this government is "far-right" I'd sincerely recommend you get out of the house more and check your premises.</p>
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						<p><q>We still have a fairly progressive tax system.</q><br />Yeah but nah. <br />Not by historical standards in NZ. 15-33% isn't a great range, and GST is flat-to-regressive.<br />And not by international standards (no estate tax and no CGT means the wealth of many of us wealthy bastards tax doesn't even touch).…</p>
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						<p><q>Interestingly, the Harper Government (tm) did get away with a ”light bulb ban”, effective 1 Jan 2014. Bravely going where the Clark Government was ultimately unable to tread…</q></p><p>And Dubbyah, of all people, signed off on an efficiency standard for light-bulbs in the US market.</p>
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						Interestingly, the Harper Government (tm) did get away with a "<a href="http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/regulations-codes-standards/7281#g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">light bulb ban</a>", effective 1 Jan 2014. Bravely going where the Clark Government was ultimately unable to tread...
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						<p><q>Disagree dude. They are far right</q></p><p>And I disagree with your disagreement. Seriously The National party are not really very right wing in world terms. Somewhat right leaning for NZ but in Texas they would be considered raving communist/socialist/looney left wing nutjobs.</p><p>But what this particular group in power do…</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						Elections in NZ have devolved into a contest between "Me" and "We" factions. The split is too close for my liking. I thought NZ had more regard for "We" than recent elections demonstrate.
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						<p>Sometimes we behave better than we want to.</p><p>.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<q>The correct incantation...</q>
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						unleash teh hounds
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:13:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Flame war did not commence like I thought. You’re all very mature.</q></p><p>The correct incantation is: 'on my command, unleash hell', not 'flame war: commence.'</p>
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						<p><q>Well kudos to you all. Flame war did not commence </q></p><p>Yes. Respec.</p>
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						Got to give English credit for not slashing welfare in 2009 when they had every opportunity. Still pretty stupid since.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>We still have a welfare state. We still have a fairly progressive tax system.</q></p><p>So far. It would seem fairly clear that the government is keen to dismantle as much of that as they can get away with. NZ isn't crazy right wing, but the political centre has definitely been…</p>
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						<p>Disagree dude. They are far right (Key more than English perhaps) who take what they can get by stealth. If they thought they could get away with abolishing the welfare system they would.</p><p>They have been tacking to the right in lots of little small chunks, removing rights here and…</p>
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						<p>Well kudos to you all. Flame war did not commence like I thought. You're all very mature.</p><p>I have to disagree with a few commenters who think National have "drifted" to the right. Key is fairly centrist. English is small c Conservative. We still have a welfare state. We still…</p>
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						<p><q>That’s such BS, though. Labour slid towards the right in the 1980s and remains uneasy about its unionist origins; National has continued to drift rightwards towards wingnut ACT territory. The Greens in general occupy the left where Labour used to be.</q><br />The pattern is just the same in much of…</p>
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				<title>Myles Thomas</title>
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						That's a good point about keeping Winston closer. But I wonder if Labour should declare they will NOT form a coalition with NZFirst. It would certainly destroy NZFirst as any kind of soft vote for change and compel voters to vote Labour/green or national. It'd make Cunliffe look staunch and…
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>On RNZ Nat's 10 o'clock news last night Colin Craig said he'd have "six MPs, maybe double digits". <br />That's the sort of thing you'd say if you thought man never landed on the moon. Er, hang on...</p>
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						I guess that's what I meant.
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						<p>BUT!</p><p>They are business people. All of Epsom and no other electorate in the country!They are hallowed. They have amazing decision making abilities. They could even vote for Winston if necessary! These are not your weak-willed, morally hog-tied professionals, your doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, policemen, firemen and other lily livered…</p>
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						<p><q>This comes in part from an environment where some journalists print press releases without question.</q></p><p>FTFY. <br />The practice of churnalism, aka press-release-as-reportage, is not something confined to uncritical repetition of National's releases. It just so happens, though, that National are the ones implementing policy so it's their releases that are…</p>
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						<p>This comes in part from an environment where some journalists print press releases or accept National’s framing without question.</p><p>It’d be interesting to ask those people a follow up question along the lines of what makes the Greens far left. </p><p>Another anecdote- I had a conversation with a young voter…</p>
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						<p><q>    More of note than what JK is saying is the way he’s framing it: Green as radical left, Labour as Left, National as centre. That line clearly shows the results of their recent polling and the strategy this year.</p><p>That’s such BS, though. Labour slid towards the right in the…</q></p>
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						<p><q>More of note than what JK is saying is the way he's framing it: Green as radical left, Labour as Left, National as centre. That line clearly shows the results of their recent polling and the strategy this year.</q></p><p>That's such BS, though. Labour slid towards the right in the…</p>
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						<p><strong>we wish you a Merry Isthmus…</strong> <br /><q>…from Epsom</q><br />Epsodomites?<br />Epsom Salts?<br />Epitomes...<br />or bellwethers?</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						I wonder if Winston will go for the cross benches rather than a coalition , he seems to love stirring shit in the house ,the noble warrior of ordinary folk, and Key won't be handing him many baubles.
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						<p><q>I’d be surprised if ACT don’t get Epsom again, though. They could put a bald dancing monkey in there and Epsom would vote for it.</q></p><p>I know a few people in Epsom who feel kinda dirty now. Not so sure they would sully themselves again.</p>
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						<p><q>Good move. They’d already said they’d do this, and doing it now gets them in on the news cycle.</q></p><p>And I already know of three areas a Cunliffe-led Govt can start cutting back:<br />&ndash; replacing the Puhoi-Wellsford Holiday Highway with Operation Lifesaver, which achieves the same purpose at a fraction…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:05:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>True dat, how many are from Epsom is the question.</q></p><p>And, with apologies to a French electoral predicament from a few years back, how many Epsomites would think it "better to vote for a crook than a socialist"?</p>
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						<p><q>Have Labour and National learned nothing from their previous marriages of convenience with that toxic bigot and his merry band of blithering ninny-hammers? Apparently not…</q><br />I suspect that in private they both regard Winnie as a necessary evil at best.</p><p>When Winnie retires, there’s the possibility of Richard Prosser taking…</p>
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				<title>llew40</title>
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						<p><q>That only matters if they're in Epsom.</q></p><p>True dat, how many are from Epsom is the question.</p>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p><q>Anyone who would put that man’s feet back under the Cabinet table, where he can do real and lasting damage, is unfit to govern.</q></p><p>For a moment there, he was the only person capable of stopping asset sales. So much for that. But what manner of hell does "the merry…</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p><q> Have Labour and National learned nothing from their previous marriages of convenience with that toxic bigot and his merry band of blithering ninny-hammers? Apparently not…</q></p><p>They absolutely have "learned", they just don't care. Winston in government, even in coalition, is a moderately competent, quiet minister with few overt demands on…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I’m aware of a lot of Auckland based conservative voters who hate the tactical voting aspect of Epsom</q></p><p>That only matters if they're in Epsom.</p>
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						<p><q>I'd be surprised if ACT don't get Epsom again, though. They could put a bald dancing monkey in there and Epsom would vote for it.</q></p><p>Will be an interesting aspect of the election, I'm not so sure, I'm aware of a lot of Auckland based conservative voters who hate the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I could almost see you preferring Labour/Green over National/Winston/whoever-else-cobbles-together-a-majority</q></p><p>It wouldn't require much squinting.  To paraphrase Winston Churchill, if Winston Peters stood to become the MP for Hell I would at least make a complimentary reference to Satan here. Anyone who would put that man's feet back under the Cabinet…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'm hoping that the social conservative vote is split between Coalition and NZF, wasting all 10% of their vote. They do need to go head to head since they directly compete demographically. I'd be surprised if ACT don't get Epsom again, though. They could put a bald dancing monkey in…
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						<p><q>More of note than what JK is saying is the way he's framing it: Green as radical left, Labour as Left, National as centre. </q></p><p>It may not be a popular view here, but a <em>lot</em> of people in NZ share this perception, and to a huge number of the business…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Bryce Edwards has a <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11190341" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">useful round-up</a> of relevant stories and links.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>And I doubt my dear friend Tom…</q></p><p>Dude, it is election year. </p><p>Imagine all our politicians as being in a political St. Patricks day parade, with a particularly drunk crowd of Orangemen and Irish Catholics watching from either side of the street.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						I could almost see you preferring Labour/Green over National/Winston/whoever-else-cobbles-together-a-majority.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Yep, batshit-crazy all right, but so long as it keeps Labour from forming a government it will all be worth it.</q></p><p>And I doubt my dear friend Tom is the only Labour type who’d flip that and make me equally want to take a long holiday in the Slough of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>And <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9637111/Labour-axes-tax-break-policies" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">meanwhile</a> ...</p><p><q>Labour has finally dumped two flagship tax policies of former leader Phil Goff that would have taken GST off fresh fruit and vegetables and set a tax-free band on income below $5000.</p><p>Leader David Cunliffe said the changes, signalled as likely by David Shearer when he was…</q></p>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						Speaking of politicians and stuff, is it just me, or has David Cunliffe come over all sort of meek and mild ever since his ascension? As an orator, he was always kind of from the Jim Anderton school: "Point 1, point 2, point 3 and THAT'S a FACT!" kind of…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Burning books?</strong><br /><q>Flame war: commence.<br />Oh god.</q><br />Which reminds me... &ndash; <em>segue... </em> I just finished a fun novel on a 'flame war of the  gods' of sorts set in Wellington &ndash; <a href="http://www.steampress.co.nz/wind.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em>The Wind City</em></a> by Summer Wigmore (Steam Press books).<br />Confidently wrought by a fast talking young…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Win King as good as a nod...</strong><br /><q>If Winston Peters does end up the King maker I hope he goes with Labour, because that would mean he recognises that he should count himself very, very lucky that he can leave parliament gracefully...</q><br />... and it's always a good legacy to…</p>
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						<p><q>    <em>Flame war: commence. </em></p><p>Oh god.</q></p><p>You're saying Oh god? I'm not sure your message mentioned you'd be lobbing a hand grenade, and then swanning off! :-)</p><p>Anyway, I like multi-tasking, so this, the cricket and work should max out the entertainment for the afternoon. Anyone got popcorn?</p>
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						Hard not to see both ACT and the Maori Party as dead ducks. The Maori Party has made such compromises in order to be in government that it's alienated many supporters. John Banks is standing down regardless of the outcome of his court case; it remains to be seen if…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Pretty easy for Labour to paint Key as an irresponsibly desperate man willing to do deals with any chem trail crank (the so-called Conservative party), Potemkin party (Peter Dunne’s joke United Future) re-tread or front for crazies and criminals (the ACT party) who offers him hope of a chance to…
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						<p>More of note than what JK is saying is the way he's framing it: Green as radical left, Labour as Left, National as centre. That line clearly shows the results of their recent polling and the strategy this year.<br />The key predicted  driver of the economy for this year -…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Flame war: commence.</q></p><p>Oh god.</p>
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						Thank you for that &ndash; I didn't realise my opinion made me a "troll". Happy 2014!
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						I've got a great mental image of Winston standing on Whananaki South Beach, staring out at the Poor Knights, cell phone in one hand, durry in his other, slightly hungover from a session with the whanau last night, talking to breakfast tv with a huge grin on his face.  He'll…
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						<p>OoOoOoOOOH first response: troll.</p><p>Flame war: commence.</p>
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						Yep, batshit-crazy all right, but so long as it keeps Labour from forming a government it will all be worth it.
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