For instance we now have to build everything with terrorists in mind, then of course there are tsunami, North Korea's nuclear capability, dog attacks, home invasions (whops sorry they were yesterdays media…

It's a nice thought about the Waka, but it really doesn't work for something like a stadium. Stadia are broad and roundish, while waka are long and thin, so you have to extend the prow a long way out into the water to make the proportions even vaguely right.

Well…

ps – nice ideas there side78

Eden Park is owned by a trust isn't it so all the money will go back to them.

The "iconic bridge" you point out would be in the…

We could play a lot of hands with $800 mill.

;)

I'm…

Adding a big stadium to the mix is another example of short sighted vision.

Day after day more crap building go up down…

There are some questions that haven't been adequately answered by the proponents of the Waterfront Stadium in my opinion.

1. Safety considerations of having only one side as an exit point. What happens if this is blocked off by fire, damaged in an earthquake,…

I'm…

But I would have presumed that if there were concerns about a new stadium blocking views, you'd sink the whole thing down

Putting a stadium below water level would have all sorts of issues. the stadium could leak, float, be flooded during storms etc etc. you'd have build a big…

That is quite some cost multiplier Bob's working on.

Lets say, though, that 60,000 seats are three times the…

What about a Rangitoto homage? A satdium that looks like a giant volcano rising from the seabed with maori designs all over it.

Oooo then you could have "rock" walls at ground level and how…

But I would have presumed that if there were concerns about a new stadium blocking views, you'd sink the whole thing down. Such a thing would be tremendously expensive if you had to…

OK, I'll try again:

Bob Clarkson story

Do you think you could get the Pythons to do it as a huge musical number?

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Like that, only with square brackets.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3862121a10,00.html

According to the instructions on the side, it should be:

link text

So....

Stuff link to Bob Clarkson story

Does that work?

Does now – RB

I'm actually quite excited by the thought of catching a train from out west to Britomart for a Saturday S14 game or test match and making a day trip…

Where's the precedent? The MCG ...

Exactly. The MCG and, not, as some people have suggested, Stadium Australia, which isn't in the CBD and is close to bugger-all.

Bob Clarkson is an idiot who makes me more ashamed of Tauranga than Winston ever did. He built his frikkin stadium on a swamp for goodness sake! So of course it cost a lot of money.

(Side note:…

That's that, surely? No more stadium alreddie!

along with Cath Tizard poo pooing resistance to the waterfront with "its just like the comments against the aotea cetre when it was proposed" doean't exactly fill me with confidence given the cost overruns and current state of the carpark.

Yeah, right. Bearing in mind that the Aotea Centre is…

– Time
– Quality
– Cost,

You can only ever fix two of them, given that we have already said that Time is fixed ( must be built for RWC2011), then in the case of anything not going to plan, either Quality or…

NZ Herald article

That's the nail in the stadium coffin then.

"The ability for people with high disposable incomes who work in the CBD to wander down to the stadium for the final session of a cricket test, followed by a drink or dinner nearby, or to spend less than 10 minutes walking to a Friday."

What a fantastic idea,…

My understanding is that the front layer of seats can be removed to make room for a cricket oval (available…

OMG, who does that ass Brash think he is? Like, wanting to actually…

Err, that's SkyscraperCity. What's wrong with good old fashioned HTML?

If we let people use any old HTML they want, the terrorists would win ...

I'm all for it – more [quality] inner-city living is exactly what Auckland needs. But aside from whether you like it or not, it's a private investment in the central city.

Exactly. It's not Gordon's best work, but the height doesn't bother me because it makes for better proportions. There…

ps.…

Why has the nation been suckered into this dumb competition by the IRB?

Heh, first time I've heard someone actually come out against the whole concept of a rugby world cup.

Lets be fair, having the rugby world cup here will be a huge boom time for business. The company…

Another thing, a 67 floor tower block is just about to be dumped into Auckland's city centre, no doubt blocking off plenty sky, space and having a lot of other impacts.

I'm all for it – more [quality] inner-city living is exactly what Auckland needs. But aside from whether you…

When are are going to see some scale drawings of the waterfront stadium ? The "artists" impressions appear to show a building that is the same height as the power poles on Quay St – these are not 9 stories tall, the stadium is…

I go to Eden Park all the time (season ticket holder) and am close enough to walk. I know, prior to living closer, what a pain…

A trip up to the Arsenal is best enjoyed by…

There is also enough room along there to do the "green-space" thing – let's put a park on the tank-farm.

+waterfront up there of course. Gah. EDIT FUNCTION PLEASE!

It's number one on the list, honest ...

I mean, it is. Really, it could very nice indeed, all the way up to Orewa or wherever.

Look around though. What do you see? A disjointed collection of suburbia without any real…

The stadium will be a perfect locale for jet-boat sprints.

Let me see you do that at Eden Park.

Ugh... I really shouldn't try and write – let alone proof read – through a shracking migraine. I think you're missing my point – or I'm not making it clearl (which is more likely)y: No amount of process is going to produce and outcome that totally satisfies everyone. I…

Are the designs for the waterfront on the council link posted by Sam (above) the final ones or is there a range of ones to choose from?

Because even for a stadium it is slightly boring.

Tom, what'dya reckon?

Here, where a hero fell, a column falls!
Here, where the mimic eagle glared in gold,
A midnight vigil holds both…

here were also a number of really interesting options from some great designers (such Frank Gehry, designer of the risky and amazingly successful Balboa Guggenheim... I'd hate to see what Don Brash would have compared the designs for THAT to

Probably a feather or a fern, because that's what it…

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/stadium/default.asp

Cant guarentee that they will listen.....but its called 'consultation' for a reason I guess.

I was present at some of the Better By Design sessions, and nothing I heard there is in the same solar system as this cut-and-paste "woah, we gotta do…

As a Wellingtonian I am obviously out of touch with real NZ (spending so much time soaking in…

With all due respect, Russell, do you think it might just be possible that then 'Build. It. Now. Brigade' have nobody but…

Actually, you came for an entertainment experience. And you're assuming that the only use the stadium will be rugby. There'll be one-day cricket, conferences, cultural events – all the things that already go on in the middle of a suburb at Eden Park...

Of course. I accept that. From the…

Stadium NZ has to be run by an elected board (not appointed by the blazer and tie brigade), and it has to be looking to book events across the spectrum – even (whisper it) arts and culture!

Which is effectively an argument against rates and taxes going into Eden Park,…

The most obvious architectural precedent of the proposed waterfront stadium is Te Papa, which in spite of any of its other merits is truly uninspired in its external design.

slightly off topic, but I don't think that Te Papa is entirely uninspired, but that it does not address the street…

It's not as if there's no corporate support for the sport is it?

This is a business, and it makes money – otherwise it would be back to…

I lived in the US for a long time,…

it's used for these gigantic university graduation ceremonies for example. we took a break while we waited for our mate to graduate by…

I remember when their apartments were going up – folk I knew living in apartments on Anzac Ave were unimpressed to be losing…

Think about what you might want from a stadium. You want to get there, watch the game, and get far away as quickly as possible.

Not really. You actually don't want to get in your car and drive home immediately – you might want a drink or a meal or…

There is no accurate costing of the project.…

Sigh. That's exactly the sort of comment we keep getting about Wellington waterfront. How dare they propose replacing our beautiful carparks and tin sheds with something people might actually use!

Point taken. Just think a step further: if you are going to develop the place for public use then why…

The most obvious architectural precedent of the proposed waterfront stadium is Te Papa, which in spite of any of its other merits is truly uninspired in its external design. Invariably, a rushed time frame and the historical cultual cringe of NZ architecture will combine to…

If it…

Has Keith Locke actually seen the area he describes as "Auckland's beautiful waterfront"?

Sigh. That's exactly the sort of comment we keep getting about Wellington waterfront. How dare they propose replacing our beautiful carparks and tin sheds with something people might actually use!

Having said that, a stadium of that…

Sure, it is an ugly area now: containers and other countries' scrap cars, but the argument that "a…

Eden Park is privately owned (by a trust fund??)---so why would the tax payer be happy to, presumably, swell the coffers of a trust? Do we know (can we know?) who the beneficiaries would be?

Basically, Auckland cricket and rugby. And it won't be their own pockets those two sports…

We elected you buggers to do stuff for us, and yet you seem incapable of making a decision without spending squillions asking us if it's ok.

As Don pointed out in the other thread, it's become clear the political capital lies in being a naysayer on this. The angry brigade…