Bit of a problem really.

maybe we need drug trainers, who manage a clients needs based on their target creativity, but I think we have those already, doctor and dealers I think they're called, neither of which have the patients creative productivity in mind though.

you're right, it is a…

a few troubled souls take the latter path

a few is being a bit generous to your argument. I assume you're only accounting for the fatalities as being a casualty.

I'd count the incredible music and art that didn't make it to the real world through the bottomless void that…

The one that really doesn't seem to produce good music is cocaine.

Damn. Bowie made his best records on that ....

I mainly blame racquetball at 4am followed by a mighty bathroom visit for Elvis' demise, though. :)

perhaps visual art works differently with drugs but its pretty well documented the effect it has on the creativity and productivity of ones career. There are exceptions, but not many.

The counterpoint is the list of artists of various sorts who have had their talented careers cut short through drug…

judgmental assumptions, about people recovering from addiction/alcoholism or any-other life threatening illness.

read that as partly evening the aren't drugs cool vibe of this thread, and partly anger at said burnouts who throw away their talent. you love these people but at the same time its hard not to be…

(Actually, I think my entire argument can basically be boiled down to one Flaming Lips compilation title:…

His stance was drugs were for hippies (but apparently cigarettes and alcohol don't come into his definition of that), and as you know all hippies must die by…

daniellle says she's got a list of drug taking successfuls, Id be interested in her opinion on whether the drug taking impacted positively on their creativity. but then again, how would she know.

Oh, I wouldn't. I'm not creative at all. And I couldn't say that the drugs caused the…

Enquiring minds, do tend to survey there options.

:) no I'm just waiting for clarification before I ask them to back up their vague assertions.

I've seen a lot of creative minds silence by substance induced stupors, but I can't say I've actually seen anyone getting more creative from said…

or do they take drugs because their talented?

and further to that are you asserting that their drug consumption is what makes them talented?

(I started listing all the talented and successful drug-taking musicians, but then realised that my post was going to be so long that no one would read it...)

Its not about our achievements or not, its about theirs before, during and after drugs.

perhaps visual art works differently with drugs but its pretty well documented the effect it has on the creativity and productivity of ones career. There are exceptions, but not many.

I think the exceptions would…

But this is the good stuff

How right you are !
Interactive art – Len Lye would've loved it.
I especially enjoyed the river with the rubber duckies

Cheers,
Brent.

I'm having difficulty interpreting the projection of this paragraph. robbery, are you talking about yourself.

maybe I was confused about your original point which I took to mean don't critise the artist unless you can prove you have fare better.

Its not about our achievements or not, its about theirs…

There's an old saying, most appropriate to that "when you point the finger, there's nine pointing back"

I don't see the relevance of that in this case. general public looking at the creative output of their artist elite. its irrelevant what the person making no creative claims has or hasn't…

most artists creative peaks come when they're not tripping off…

(The Supergrass version is good, too.)

I had coffee with an old buddy that was into copious amounts of hallucinogenic drugs and also some amphetamines thru-out his teens. He was back in New Zealand to attend the university graduation ceremony, and officially collect his PHD. He is a star gazer.

The brilliant Carl Sagan was also…

This reminds me of our own Philip Clairmont and his attempts to galvanize his LSD experience's

Indeed. Funny how Clairmont went off the radar the last 20 years as far as establishment art circles are concerned. I still think he was one of our best painters – I've got a…

I would estimate around 40% NZ music content and local bands live on breakfast with havoc.

I miss listening to the B in the mornings (as opposed to at work on the net). Active breakfast is ok, but it ain't the same as the mighty Havo.

Also, they provide free…

I've got a copy of an old interview he did where he explained his process and he was alot more rational & orderly in his painting process than what one might think.

LSD is a great way to find the order in total confusion.(maybe, sorta.)innit ;)

How would you people who are parents feel about your kids using LSD etc if it were legal and available?

Indeed. Funny how Clairmont went off the radar the last 20 years as far as establishment art circles are concerned. I still think he was one of our best painters – I've got a…

I can't for eg have got the idea to buy all those LPs from the Dunedin sound from seeing all those bands in Dunedin at…

i can think of a lot worse things for young people to get up to than taking LSD and going to the art gallery or park.

I had a friend in the US who used to go and watch greyhound racing on acid. Yep. LSD + dog track = guaranteed…

I should qualify that by adding 'at appropriate times' LOL

How would you people who are parents feel about your kids using LSD etc if it were legal and available?

look, when my offspring are old enough to do all the (currently)LEGAL drugs of their own volition, then i hope they have the maturity and advice under their belts to…

Jeez, if only someone could take Jim Anderton tripping some time... Matter of fact, make LSD compulsory for MP induction as part of their oath to…

For all I know Steve Hill "has" had some sort of NZ music support. With those sort of numbers though, he maybe doesn't…

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I must get that album, maybe. Is it available in unmixed?

My fave NZ musician is Steve Hill but I bet they won't play any of his stuff in NZ music month.

Who's "they"?

Do you have to still live here to be an "NZ musician"?

No, not for NZ On Air support, which is largely radio-focused and includes radio plugging,…

Perhaps I`ll link to some of his mixes on my blog during the month to give…

Do you have to still live here to be an "NZ musician"? Or does your music have to be in a supported genre – downbeat, dub, indy, maybe psytrance…

But the classic quote in the "gotcha" story is from Tizard herself.

When the reporter advised her of her sucess rate, she said: "I don't know the details honey, I just write the policy and ask for the…

Mr Anderton just released a speech
in which he puts the social cost of illict drug use at $1.31 billion, in which he says that

"Over a third of the social costs of illicit drug use…

FYI from…

Re that Stuff (via SMH) article about Lindsay McDougall – since when has the…

That Dom Post article is interesting,…

New Zealand Music Month: I remember lo those many years ago when local bands were scorned and…

Lobby group pops up on Morning Report to confirm the sky is falling and they are unfunded.

Minister in charge gravely agrees it's a crisis and something must be done, but money is short.

It must be…