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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Speaking of international relations</strong> <br />&ndash; a reminder about Nicky Hager's public meeting in Chchch on Monday night.<br />7.30pm at the cardboard/transitional cathedral, Latimer Square.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sept 2018 11:05:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>That one's been going around for a while, and it's really a bit too conspiracy theory for me to take it seriously.</p><p>The EU has offered a range of options, up to and including the Norway-and-virtual-border-in-the-Irish-Sea option.</p><p>Which would basically solve the NI land border issue, and leave the UK…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sept 2018 23:34:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p>Nice wee <a href="https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@pro/2018/09/25/252322/spotlight-on-europe-brexit-an-experiment-in-game-theory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">article in Newsroom</a> about how it is in the EU's interest to make Brexit a mess, to disuade other countries from trying it on.</p><p>It sums up with :<br /><q><br />Seen this way, the EU would be foolish to make Brexit easy for the Brits. It would only encourage…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sept 2018 11:23:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>At least it seems like the Government are doing their damnedest to crank out housing. It's long overdue, and Ardern has showed just how easily solved it really is, it only involves having a will to actually do it. I think it's going to take a long sustained bipartisan effort…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sept 2018 03:41:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>The Met police have cancelled all leave around the end of March next year, as they anticipate severe civil unrest (potential food riots, basically). ….<br />So. I’m quietly laying in extra tins, batteries, candles, and so on, because nothing that’s happened so far fills me with any confidence that this…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sept 2018 09:07:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Maybe a little holiday in Europe or down in the land of plenty while it's going on?*</p><p>The world is watching in steadily increasing astonishment at a formerly prosperous and powerful country imploding. It's not pretty. The worst part is that it's <em>entirely</em> an own goal. No external party can…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sept 2018 08:47:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Well, let's put it this way: I have started stockpiling food.  That's not a joke.</p><p>Pretty much zero progress has been made in over two years.  The 'best' that the government has managed to achieve in that time is the so-called Chequers 'deal'.</p><p>It's not actually a 'deal' because the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sept 2018 22:00:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						Thanks for your summary Rich. I haven't heard much about Brexit of late and assumed that progress was being made.  Somewhat scary that it isn't.  Glad it doesn't directly affect me.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sept 2018 13:42:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>She's 48, slightly older than me. She grew up during the conflict. I can remember bombs going off in the UK. I can remember mortars being fired at Downing Street. I can remember riots during marching season. I've probably heard or read the word 'sectarian' (as in: 'sectarian violence in…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sept 2018 22:52:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>(not) making plans for Nigel?</strong><br />Not so much Brexit <br />as a Farage-go?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sept 2018 11:08:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>For anyone on your side of the world still interested in Brexit:</p><p>1) Here are the main upcoming dates for your calendars:</p><p>&ndash; EU leaders meeting Sept 20th.  It's likely that they will simply rubber-stamp a 'carry on on the present course' arrangement, with perhaps minor alterations.</p><p>&ndash; UK Conservative…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sept 2018 03:35:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Theresa May could well become this century's Anthony Eden.</q></p><p>Neville Chamberlain, maybe?</p><p>Scene: an airport in London.  Prime Minister Teresa May climbs out of aeroplane just landed from mainland Europe.</p><p>TM: I have in my hand a piece of paper...</p><p>Arlene Foster: Not so feckin' fast there, Teresa, ye wee…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2017 07:59:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>And this approach to Northern Ireland has also got the Scots &ndash; including the Scottish Tories, I think &ndash; interested in the same sort of deal, despite there being a land border and all that. It's a mess that almost everyone wants to back away from, and noone can. <br />David…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2017 21:41:35 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>For those who want an update, the British Prime Minister Teresa May has just had her legs kicked out from under her by the DUP, a bunch of swivel-eyed religious loons who would rather cut out their own tongues than think the word 'compromise'.</q></p><p>Theresa May could well become this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:17:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						and we worry about Winston ..
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2017 12:04:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						For those who want an update, the British Prime Minister Teresa May has just had her legs kicked out from under her by the DUP, a bunch of swivel-eyed religious loons who would rather cut out their own tongues than think the word 'compromise'.  These are the same nutcases she…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2017 10:50:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						Much like "Make America Great Again"
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				<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:55:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>"Take back control" sounds such a powerful slogan, <br />until you realise that the MPs telling you that's the goal <br />are the ones hoping <em>they</em> will be taking control, <br />and you see what a bunch of cockwombles they are.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:05:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Greece came up on the campaign trail all the time by Leavers and the Brexiteers. Still does &ndash; to this day I get lectured about youth unemployment in Greece by earnest middle aged or retired men who are fanatical Brexit supporters. So I agree with Tom that it was and…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2017 01:19:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I love how you're attributing such a level of analytical thought to the UK electors, who've mostly been through an education system that equips them to ask and answer deep questions such as <em>"would you like fries with that"</em>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:46:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/23/uk-no-earnings-growth-budget-brexit-productivity-ifs?" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/23/uk-no-earnings-growth-budget-brexit-productivity-ifs?</a><br /><q>UK faces two decades of no earnings growth and more austerity, says IFS<br />Thinktank’s budget analysis says forecasts for lower productivity, earnings and growth until 2022 were ‘pretty grim reading’<br /></q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 20:51:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>According to the <a href="https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Political Compass</a>, there are 3 major types of Brexiteers (the same goes for Trumpniks, with my additions in boldface):</p><p><q>Like The Political Compass itself, the EU comprises a social dimension and an economic dimension.<br />...</p><p>D. Those rejecting the EU's prevailing economics but accepting, at least to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 17:58:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						My belief is that it will be similar (if obviously different in nature) to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">73/74 coal dispute</a>. That ended with a Labour government being elected with a mandate to settle &ndash; not because the electorate particularly favoured Labour  or the miners cause, but due to a desire to restore…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:04:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Will England lose its marbles?</strong><br /><q>A large section of the Oxbridge British elite are still liberally educated and they carry a big soft spot for the Greeks. </q><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgiX5Las3KE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgiX5Las3KE</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 09:15:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>No, far earlier than that. The notorious ‘bendy banana’ stories first appeared in 1994, for example, and the Murdoch press’s antipathy was well established by that point.</q></p><p>Oh yeah, that a bigger proportion of the British public than was ever suspected were susceptible to anti-EU propaganda from the crackpot right…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:55:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						I've been watching the Brexit fiasco from the inside, as a contributor to a UK photography blog. One of the posters there suggested that the anti Europe sentiment whipped up by the gutter press, was done to preserve the influence of the press owners . They can lean on Whitehall,…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2017 07:46:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Unemployment will increase, probably to the point where the government will be no longer able to pay benefits. </q></p><p>My 'best case' thinking at the moment is that we'll get a return to something like the '80's &ndash; mass unemployment, sporadic inner city unrest, etc.</p><p>However, I suspect a more realistic…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>the path to Brexit started ten years ago </q></p><p>No, far earlier than that.  The notorious 'bendy banana' stories first appeared in 1994, for example, and the Murdoch press's antipathy was well established by that point.  I personally remember a TV ad for The Sun which ran around the same time…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>While pragmatism may mean that the whole of Kent doesn't actually get turned into a lorry park with traffic backing up the M20 all the way to London, there are multiple other issues that are nowhere near being resolved.</p><p>For example, the open skies agreement will lapse when the UK…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:31:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Brexit won because the UK is in the middle of a gigantic identity crisis and as part of that a majority in deep England decided they just wanted out of Europe. They want their country back – whatever that means – and as right or wrong or as delusional as…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The EU is a huge chunk of the world economy. It's an even bigger chunk of the bit (e.g. not Trump's US) that care about the WTO. If the WTO rules trouble them, then in realpolitik terms, they get to change the rules.</p><p>And the EU has, as a minimum,…</p>
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				<title>Asinius</title>
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						<p><q> The most likely situation is a cliff edge exit. As of 29 March 2019, all freight leaving the UK will be unpacked and examined. Taxes (maybe 30%, or 60% if the EU decided to recoup the UKs debts through import tariffs) will need to be paid. </q></p><p>Are the Dutch, French,…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Toynbee is a Blairite apologist who rode point in the spiteful "liberal" media's assault on Corbyn for daring to challenge their cosy New Labour club. If you believe she has any insights into Corbyn's inner circle and his thinking on anything then I've got some magic beans for sale you…
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						<p>The government and a large number of people in the UK are delusional.</p><p>All 27 EU states need to approve any deal, transitional or otherwise. They won't do anything against their real or imagined interests (Irish border, status of Gibraltar, French aircraft manufacturers, German and Czech car manufacturers, etc).</p><p>Britain's…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>It seems rather a shame he didn't have his journey when it might have mattered.</q></p><p>What has been forgotten, now that the battle lines have hardened into absolutism on both sides, is that there are plenty of very good reasons to think the EU is not a shining beacon of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:59:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>I see that <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/23/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-tories-labour-eu?CMP=share_btn_fb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jeremy Corbyn has spotted there's a problem</a>:</p><p><q>Where has Corbyn been? On a journey, say those close by. A lifetime of instinctive “capitalist club” Euroscepticism has been shed. Passionate distress over Brexit from his young supporters and his trade union allies has brought him round. Besides, the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:50:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The whole thing is just…..fuck.</q></p><p>Oh, man.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:38:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>"Is it as bad as it seems from this far away?"</p><p>Yeah, it really is.  I have only realised at quite an advanced stage in life that the metaphor 'jaw-dropping' is actually taken from a literal physical effect that can happen when spectacular what-the-fuckery occurs.  It is currently happening to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:45:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:45:08 +1300</pubDate>
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