Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: A wretched editorial

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:21:28 +1200

To demonstrate that facts are irrelevant, or perhaps that they feel safe with a great deal of hypocrisy. The whole "did she dislike National before they shat in her breakfast" question is one that's hard to answer.

It would make as much sense to make claims that the National Party…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:41:10 +1200

So kind of Rodney Hide to "reluctantly" acknowledge "New Zealand does suffer a rape culture" today, shame it hasn't stopped him from concern-trolling Maggie Barry again.

Sacha

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:20:14 +1200

perfectly happy

like Mike Hosking, you mean

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:47:33 +1200

I’m perfectly happy to hear from the subject of the story herself. It offers another perspective.It doesn't offer "another perspective". It offers the only perspective (other than that of the accused, and he's not talking) that is of any weight at all.

Lilith __

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:58:55 +1200

David, this is an international political scandal.
And it highlights a systemic lack of justice suffered by many thousands of NZers.

Nothing to see here.

David MacGregor

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:09:55 +1200

My point was simple:
The interview seemed hasty – per Russell's editorial comment on various media outlets homing in for the 'scoop'. There were various threads and agendas going on and, as I said, I was left baffled by the item's purpose.

As for 'trolling', or having some pro-rape culture…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:02:40 +1200

More counter-Roastbusting of the Oily One on the Twitterverse. It's a hopeful start.

Kumara Republic

Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:25:12 +1200

This XKCD strip comes to mind.

Lilith __

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:38:41 +1200

Wow, I'm wondering how Canon's feeling about that Canon Media Award.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:31:02 +1200

Someone's already doing a Tiso and contacting companies advertising on the Oily One's blog. Not surprisingly, he's already whingeing about censorship, which rings hollow when he was perfectly OK with an ad boycott against Willie & JT during the Roastbusters controversy.

It only reinforces suspicions that he operates by the mantra,…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:10:43 +1200

I actually didn’t realise Gavin Ellis had made such a complete ass of himself.

Eh... this is the former editor of a newspaper that has a long and shabby history of rape culture enforcement. I wish it surprised me even a little bit, but it doesn't.

Sacha

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:49:49 +1200

immediately adopting the position that he's the victim

you can see why him and Collins get on

Russell Brown

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:45:16 +1200

A great column by Paula Penfold, defending the decision to interview Billingsley and pinpointing yet more hypocrisy from men in the media. I actually didn't realise Gavin Ellis had made such a complete ass of himself.

Russell Brown

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:42:23 +1200

The Ruminator ventures into the whale’s den… and gets both barrels ad hominem.

The sadly predictable (if grimly amusing) part about that conversation is Slater immediately adopting the position that he's the victim.

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:54:57 +1200

Every time he says “what are the odds” it becomes clearer that he has no grasp at all on what “odds” actually mean.

Well, what are the odds that Mr. Muhammad Rizalman bin Ismail would have long since had an appointment to mount a defense against the prosecution's case if…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:48:10 +1200

The Ruminator ventures into the whale's den... and gets both barrels ad hominem.

Russell Brown

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:35:07 +1200

After I swallow my sick…the problem with WO’s batshit conspiracy theory is that even if he were right, the conspiracy would never have worked IF THE GOVERNMENT HADN’T BEEN INCOMPETENT.

Well, it was Murray McCully's department ...

Kumara Republic

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:27:59 +1200

As ever, Judith Collins’ pet pup is vile and also unfathomably stupid. Every time he says “what are the odds” it becomes clearer that he has no grasp at all on what “odds” actually mean.

And in another post – I read it so you don't have to, but it…

Lilith __

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:54:05 +1200

Whaleoil has put up a post strongly implying that Tania Billingsley’s rape complaint was a set-up engineered by her and her friends at Rape Crisis and the Green Party.

After I swallow my sick…the problem with WO’s batshit conspiracy theory is that even if he were right, the conspiracy would…

Kim_Wright

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:29:07 +1200

I feel sick reading that whaleoil excerpt posted by Toby Manhire. What the hell does Slater mean by the "hallmarks of an attempted rape?"

I occasionally browse the trademe messageboards to see how Joe Public think and there is some very strong victim-bashing and slut-shaming rhetoric on there at the…

Russell Brown

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:06:31 +1200

Okay, here we go … Whaleoil has put up a post strongly implying that Tania Billingsley’s rape complaint was a set-up engineered by her and her friends at Rape Crisis and the Green Party.

I won’t link to it from here, but Toby Manhire has capped the key paragraph [[https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/489212675092541440/photo/1|here…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:55:31 +1200

I can roughly tag openly racist talk being cut to the Satchi “racists have smaller brains” billboard campaign, that was about the time that these guys clicked that it was no longer acceptable.

It's still around, but it's gone crypto, courtesy of professional turd polishers like Lee Atwater:

__"You start…

Pete

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:52:01 +1200

Sacha, you have been fortunate.
the sort of shit that a lot of men say when no women are present can be eye-wateringly misogynist. Their primary defense is usually "I was only joking" to which I say "but it's what you choose to joke about"
I can roughly tag openly…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:17:36 +1200

Rodney Hide pulled a spectacularly gross and ill-conceived concern troll on Maggie Barry in his Herald on Sunday column this week.

Does anyone still take him seriously after he became the perk-feeder he railed against?

Hebe

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:23:15 +1200

I'm not feeling that I'm being picky in expecting the police to investigate an allegation of a home invasion and rape against a clearly identified suspect, and in expecting my representatives in government to assist that investigation. Or at the very least not to actively block the investigation by colluding…

B Jones

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:14:59 +1200

Roger Douglas famously and apparently sincerely offered his resignation for some printed copies of the Budget getting accidentally released early. That's a very broad interpretation of ministerial responsibility. Most subsequent resignations have been over their personal actions, although Denis Marshall's resignation over Cave Creek is a classic example of real…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:16:36 +1200

That editorial made me feel ill, it was cynical and totally insulting to Tania – so what if she’s a leftie, would they have been so critical if she was a member of the Young Nats?

Rodney Hide pulled a spectacularly gross and ill-conceived concern troll on Maggie Barry in his…

B Jones

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:15:16 +1200

Yeah. The reason I can't quite credit it is that even the misogynist crowd accept that in some limited circumstances, breaking into someone's house and assaulting them is probably worth prosecuting, if the complainant isn't going around being all feminist about it, which she wasn't until it all went wrong.

Joe Wylie

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 19:23:34 +1200

I can only wonder if Mccully’s views on feminist issues played a role, but even that seems hard to credit.
McCully certainly has a track record of playing to the misogynist constituency. Back at the end of the 80s he issued a press release mocking a grant to women's rugby,…

Russell Brown

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:56:30 +1200

And I don’t think I was the only person more than a little… disquieted by how sharply the victim of a crime got elbowed out of the way so media commentators could get to the “real issue” – how it affected the political interests of an awful lot of men…

Suzanne McNamara

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:52:33 +1200

That editorial made me feel ill, it was cynical and totally insulting to Tania – so what if she's a leftie, would they have been so critical if she was a member of the Young Nats? Now the Malaysian government probably has a case to say he would not be…

Samuel Buckman

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:46:26 +1200

Just to put this in context though, a woman whose alleged attacker has been allowed to flee the country by government minsters is attacked FOR BEING CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNMENT?...The victim’s political views really have no relevance here, while the government has a case to answer.

I'm not sure what…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:11:38 +1200

Ugh. Perhaps Billingsley simply and understandably felt that she was due a personal contribution to a political debate that had been going on around her for a week and a half.

And I don't think I was the only person more than a little... disquieted by how sharply the victim…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 17:38:51 +1200

Ministers do a lot more than their parliamentary duties.

Of course they do. But key amongst all those duties is – being responsible for the successes and failures of their ministries. It's a bitch but if you accept the job and the salary then you accept the risk with the…

B Jones

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:47:37 +1200

Bart, Ministers do a lot more than their parliamentary duties. It's their job to sort the vast pile of reports they get presented with into those they can safely tick off, those they'll need to issue directions over, those that should have appeared but didn't, and those whose writers should…

Lilith __

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:22:55 +1200

Just to put this in context though, a woman whose alleged attacker has been allowed to flee the country by government minsters is attacked FOR BEING CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNMENT?

It’s remarkable how often that argument has been advance in the past week. Also, creepy.

Very creepy if citizens are…

Sacha

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:01:05 +1200

.. especially if they belong to political parties fond of espousing ‘personal responsibility’.

Bart Janssen

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:59:11 +1200

can we please put some heat on the authorities who are supposed to keep us safe

But but but but John Key is such a nice man – sigh.

What really Fs me off about the politician's behaviour is that they are very quick to explain how hard they work…

Russell Brown

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:43:15 +1200

Just to put this in context though, a woman whose alleged attacker has been allowed to flee the country by government minsters is attacked FOR BEING CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNMENT?

It’s remarkable how often that argument has been advanced in the past week. Also, creepy.

Lilith __

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:37:43 +1200

A conflict of interest is a motive to act in a biased manner, in the case of speech to use incorrect facts or invalid arguments, or to ignore facts and arguments that support the other side.

Just to put this in context though, a woman whose alleged attacker has been…

Deborah

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:36:46 +1200

Lewis' law: the comments on any article about feminism justify feminism.

B Jones

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:31:35 +1200

Rape culture = the tide of stupid shit that rape etc complainants face that other crime victims do not, including nitpicking over their appearance, motives, behaviour and so on, that conspire to make it that much less likely for a complaint to be lodged.

It's certainly ironic to provide such…

Samuel Buckman

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:15:27 +1200

Why do people talk about political affiliations the same way we would talk about financial conflicts of interest?

Broadly speaking, they should be – and for much the same reasons.

Okay, I think maybe the issue is partially how we treat any sort of conflict of interest. A conflict of…

Danielle

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:03:19 +1200

I’m not sure which of part of David’s post I find more amusing: the implication that the media shouldn’t have talked to the victim of an extremely newsworthy sexual assault *because she’s pretty*, or his low opinion of the “data” used in support of a feminist theoretical term he had…

Isabel Hitchings

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:48:17 +1200

True, the number of men who publically voice utterly hateful opinions about women may be similar to the number of men who hold those extreme opinions, but beneath them is a titanic-sinking iceberg of 'unreconstructed blokes' who think that women have it pretty good these days. The kind of guys…

Lilith __

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:39:57 +1200

You are assaulted in your home. The suspected attacker flees the country. He is allowed to do so by government ministers.

How is it possible to not take the side of the victim here?

Joe Wylie

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:39:53 +1200

It seems an hysterical term applied in New Zealand
__hysterical
1610s, from L. hystericus "of the womb," from Gk. hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of…

Lilith __

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:37:05 +1200

Just to rehash the blindingly obvious, rape is what rapists do. Rape culture is what allows them to get away with it, typically by blaming the victim.

Sacha

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:32:06 +1200

David I really do not like your response. What do you feel like you are defending?

Bart Janssen

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:30:35 +1200

I'm really not sure what the point of your posting is. I could simply dismiss it as standard trolling but I kind of feel like you have a real point you are trying to make.

From your first post it seems as though you feel allowing the victim of an…

BenWilson

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:23:55 +1200

I can think of no reason that she, of all people, should not be allowed to speak her mind.

Nor can I think of any reason why a big news outlet shouldn't cover it, since it was actually a very popular news item, something watched and rewatched by a lot…

A C Young

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:22:53 +1200

It seems an hysterical term applied in New Zealand.

Seriously?

There are more offensive words to use regarding issues that concern women, but "hysterical" is definitely up there.

Hebe

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:19:29 +1200

I can think of no reason that she, of all people, should not be allowed to speak her mind.

Yes.

Hebe

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:18:45 +1200

So eager to get the woman on camera were TV3 that anything she had to say would be ok. No doubt it helped that she was telegenic.

Why I don't comment on rape/abuse postings right here.

Russell Brown

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:11:43 +1200

It seems an hysterical term applied in New Zealand – spurious correlationships being drawn from sketchy data.

Really? I'll occasionally feel the phrase is mis-applied — and you could say the same about many useful and important concepts — but I've no doubt it has meaning and relevance in a…

David MacGregor

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:02:13 +1200

Thanks for referring me to the Wikipedia. I now understand that the term 'rape culture' has been in use since the 70's. Delving deeper I feel the criticisms of users of the expression is applicable in New Zealand "Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions,…

Danielle

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:45:16 +1200

My wife is fond of quoting Germaine Greer: “Women have very little idea of how much men hate them.”

That's what's – excellent? Terrifying? Both? – about the internet: it gives women great insight into how much (some) men hate them. Or dismiss them, or patronise them, or shame them,…

kevinM

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:44:56 +1200

I though the telling sentence was: "the time for her to speak out publicly on this case was after any trial was concluded, not before"

In some cases this might actually be valid, but a key issue here (pardon the pun) is that there might not be a trial. Apart…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:32:15 +1200

I guess I'm getting old. I actually remember when newspapers tried to be non-partisan. I also remember when editorials were reasoned, logical, well thought out essays.

The genuinely disgusting, yes at time physically revolting, diatribes that get into newspapers as editorials today makes me wonder what on earth is the…

Sacha

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:55:28 +1200

I doubt there's a man on this forum who hasn't had this or a similar experience many, many times.

Not that it proves anything, but no, really, I haven't. Maybe I've been fortunate.

Rich Lock

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 02:49:39 +1200

I reckon that’s a group who are noisier than their numbers might indicate

There's been discussion on here before of 'things men say about women when women aren't around'. Can't remember the thread, unfortunately. One poster had a male partner who didn't voluntarily hang around with certain men from his…

linger

Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:30:35 +1200

Possibly so. In most online fora, it’s people with extreme opinions on a topic who are more likely to respond, and those showing extreme disagreement, most of all.
Ben Goldacre calls this distribution the “bell-end curve” :-)

B Jones

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:28:34 +1200

I dunno – I reckon that's a group who are noisier than their numbers might indicate.

Sacha

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:04:45 +1200

brrrrr

Danielle

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:04:28 +1200

Call it the iceberg theory.

Sacha

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:59:21 +1200

"large" group though?

Danielle

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:53:57 +1200

Yes Rich, evocatively put.

(I have certain PAS threads in mind. One had to be closed late last year, IIRC.)

Lilith __

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:32:23 +1200

When a victim waives her right to name suppression so she can help other victims speak out. And her character is assassinated for doing so. This is rape culture.

Rich Lock

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:27:18 +1200

tend to assume that there is a large group of lurking Guys Who Don’t Get It rolling their eyes at everything feminist I post.

Really? How come?

Because, even here, there is the occasional methane belch from the depths of the swamp that indicates lurking horrors and that the ground…

Lilith __

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:22:21 +1200

she went public to point out the lack of respect victims have. She was then re victimised for being too young, too pretty, too naive and too political. She proved her point. It was an ugly week.

The response to feminist speech shows why the speech is necessary.

AndrewD

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:38:33 +1200

On ZB I said 2 things. Its her complaint. And she went public to point out the lack of respect victims have. She was then re victimised for being too young, too pretty, too naive and too political. She proved her point. It was an ugly week.

Sacha

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:26:47 +1200

I tend to assume that there is a large group of lurking Guys Who Don't Get It rolling their eyes at everything feminist I post. (Here.

Really? How come?

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:25:17 +1200

Why do people talk about political affiliations the same way we would talk about financial conflicts of interest?

Broadly speaking, they should be – and for much the same reasons. If Helen Kelly wrote an op-ed about how John Key eats babies and anyone who isn’t a total monster should…

Danielle

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:24:27 +1200

Tag team represent!

I tend to assume that there is a large group of lurking Guys Who Don't Get It rolling their eyes at everything feminist I post. (Here. Anywhere.) On the other hand, I am quite heartened by how rapidly the consent conversation has changed in the last few…

B Jones

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:01:03 +1200

The feminine absence feels ominous to me, rather like how the water rapidly disappearing from a beach does.

I remember reading about East Timor, when it was first independent, and the way the peacekeepers would judge whether a neighbourhood was a safe or about to blow up, and the presence…

Moz

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:40:37 +1200

Why do people talk about political affiliations the same way we would talk about financial conflicts of interest?

To demonstrate that facts are irrelevant, or perhaps that they feel safe with a great deal of hypocrisy. The whole "did she dislike National before they shat in her breakfast" question is…

BenWilson

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:34:32 +1200

Also in the spirit of observation rather than criticism, when one party to a dispute stops engaging on it, things tend to go downhill.

That's my fear, but I'm not sure it's always true. Sometimes walking away from a dispute is the thing to do. Especially if the dispute is…

izogi

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:16:30 +1200

Why do people talk about political affiliations the same way we would talk about financial conflicts of interest?

I can't add much but I completely agree.

B Jones

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:07:42 +1200

I didn't read any criticism there. Also in the spirit of observation rather than criticism, when one party to a dispute stops engaging on it, things tend to go downhill. I doubt the walls are going to go up around Women's Country any time soon, but I'm sensing a lot…

BenWilson

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:39:26 +1200

That was my thinking, and I'm making no criticism of such a withdrawal, which seems more than understandable.

Moz

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:45:11 +1200

Feminist theorists have been talking about rape culture for about 40 years now. Susan Brownmiller's Against Our Will came out in 1975

thank you. I had a foamy reply on its way but that's very polite and succint.

B Jones

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:36:21 +1200

It's an issue I feel strongly about but have lost all interest in discussing with men, and they seemed to be the only ones talking

I suspect that's because many women can relate to the first half of that sentence.

Danielle

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:01:51 +1200

Was it to promote the interview subjects views about ‘rape culture’ (whatever that neologism really means)?

Feminist theorists have been talking about rape culture for about 40 years now. Susan Brownmiller's Against Our Will came out in 1975. Also, if you're actually interested in what it means, it has a…

steve black

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:53:24 +1200

My wife bought the SST and I saw it this morning. I started to read the editorial but soon stopped. I did not like what I was reading in terms of content or writing style.

Look left and the snipped extracted is "The interview smacked of political opportunism". I say…

Samuel Buckman

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:43:44 +1200

such as whether she had any political affiliations
Why do people talk about political affiliations the same way we would talk about financial conflicts of interest?
Firstly, it get the causation the wrong way round – it implies that one's political affiliations are influencing one's opinions. Hmm.
Secondly, even if…

Russell Brown

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:36:50 +1200

I’m not sure how that is worse. It shows 1. that they didn’t front-page the interview, and 2. that their news team thought the story was on the speaking out, which was also the focus of the editorial.

Yeah, sorta. My original point was that they if they'd got the…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:33:44 +1200

had the Star Times ... secured an interview with Billingsley, the paper would have been all over it. It would have been yesterday’s lead story.

But it actually gets worse ... Fairfax reporter Kim Knight eventually did get an interview. It’s there in the Sunday Star Times, where she explains…

BenWilson

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:09:11 +1200

That was an extremely welcome column by Toby at the time. I was feeling pretty bummed out by what the internet I mostly use had to offer. It's an issue I feel strongly about but have lost all interest in discussing with men, and they seemed to be the only…

Russell Brown

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:51:57 +1200

I've amended the post to reflect the fact that the Star Times did in fact eventually get an interview with Billingsley.

David MacGregor

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:40:53 +1200

As a layperson – not a journo or a poli or jurist – I saw the interview and wondered a couple of things:

a) what is the point here?
Was it an item about the 'diplomat' (who seemed to be a functionary, rather than an envoy) and his flight from…

Martin Connelly

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:22:13 +1200

Indeed – that is what quotation marks often do. Well said.

Dean Wallis

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:15:01 +1200

Seriously, do we think that anyone actually read the SST? They were too busy catching up with the really important news over in the Herald:

John Key's holiday selfie

Russell Brown

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:10:47 +1200

And just to throw some crazy reality-based supposition into the pot, wouldn’t it be a fair assumption that Three had lawyers running the proverbial fine-tooth nit-pick over every second of that interview before it aired?

That appears to have been precisely the case.

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:00:43 +1200

The facts of the case itself were not traversed in the 3rd Degree programme that featured her interview. There have been any number of high-profile news stories that have run far closer to the line of sub judice.

And just to throw some crazy reality-based supposition into the pot, wouldn't…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:51:46 +1200

That would be covered by the "self confessed" surely?

You can confess to something that is reported as a paraphrase.

TracyMac

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:45:47 +1200

So they can get to relay any juicy details and innuendo, with a healthy side dish of "we told you so, already"?

I can sure as hell guarantee there will be no mea culpa statements if the innuendo in this piece is unfounded.

:-\

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:28:22 +1200

Well, lord forbid any mere slip of a girl should criticise the goverment and its ministers over their handling of a matter of direct importance to her. The nerve!

You can argue that it’s a perfectly legitimate question to ask (though I’d come down on the “yeah, but… nah” side),…

Alex Coleman

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:27:25 +1200

That would be covered by the "self confessed" surely?

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:08:15 +1200

I’m not sure what that the quotation marks around “activist” are meant to signify

I assumed they were meant to signify that the word was a quote.

Public Address

Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:08:15 +1200

Discussion from blog post.