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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>If it helps- </p><p>Court proceedings are covered by privilege.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Yeah. I think parliamentary privilege has some useful purposes (the ability of elected representatives to speak out without fear that they will be squashed by legal gargantuans), but some MPs just use it for political gain, dropping muck and then moving on without fear of it catching up with them,…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 13:00:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sure privilege would extend in such circumstances, otherwise Ministers would be dragged into court everytime someone was upset with what they said in the House.</p></blockquote><p>And what would be the downside of that, exactly?  As I don't enjoy a near blanket immunity from defamation, I'll just say there are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:47:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Nobody Important</title>
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						<p>I'm sure privilege would extend in such circumstances, otherwise Ministers would be dragged into court everytime someone was upset with what they said in the House.<br />In any case, MP's would argue that a reading of Hansard in court should suffice, if that is all you're trying to prove (that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:16:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael  Fitzgerald</title>
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						If they can they'll soon change the laws retrospectively so they don't have too.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:03:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ministers might need to give evidence</p></blockquote><p>Can MPs be compelled to repeat statements made in the House under parliamentary privaledge in court?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>I'm not so sure. People have certainly been speculating that Ministers might need to give evidence, and while we don't know the exact nature of the charges, I'm not particularly sure what they could add to the case for either prosecution or defence &ndash; perhaps importantly, I don't recall any…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 12:02:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>David Lange, of course, famously despised him and opposed him getting the nomination</p></blockquote><p>I had thought (with little understanding why, but still) that Lange had opposed Field's nomination for 'his' Mangere in 1996. Field first entering Parliament under FPP as the member for Otara the previous election.</p><blockquote><p>this prosecution is…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 01:38:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Massive call.</p></blockquote><p>And complete bollocks. He's losing his mind.</p><p>Field was on his way out quite some time ago; he was removed as a minister as soon as there was an opportunity, and the leadership jumped at the chance of expelling him from caucus without appearance to deny him natural…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 21:23:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Nobody Important:</p><p>I wouldn't be in the least srurprised if Police prosecutors were very careful about, shall we say, embarassing the folks who (effectively) are going to have to go into the next Budget round and argue about how big a slice of the pie gets labelled VOTE POLICE.  And…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 09:40:33 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Felix is right about the 'word in the ear' but I'm also sure the 'Top Brass' <em>(does anyone use that word anymore? It's right up there with "Guv'nor")</em> wouldn't have made this move (to prosecute) without a wink and a nod from The PM's Office.<br />Ralston's theory is all well…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 07:51:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>I agree &ndash; huge.</p><p>As for it's accuracy that's another matter. I'm not sure NZ has got quite that conspiratorial just yet. I'm positive there'd be plenty of people within the Police who'd have a quiet word in a friendly journo's ear if politicians were putting the squeeze on them…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 19:17:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>at the same time as National is bagging Clark for not rushing to the police the day after the story broke, Act's two MPs are alleging a conspiracy to influence the police <em>in favour</em> of prosecuting the MP because Clark wanted to see him dealt to.</p></blockquote><p>Not just Act. Bill…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 18:13:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>You know I almost feel bad about writing that Destiny story now.</p><p>Though I must emphasise the word "almost".</p><p>Interviewing Brian Tamaki is always an interesting experience</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Thanks for the Hansard link Malcolm &ndash; some great stuff in there.</p><p>From Russel Fairbrother:</p><blockquote><p>This is a report that Mr Field can wave around as a tribute to his integrity, and it suggests he will continue to be a profitable and good member of the House.</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:21:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Malcolm</title>
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						BTW, great subbing RB.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:07:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Malcolm</title>
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						<p>Helen Clark stood by Philip Field while he claimed to have been exonerated by the Ingram report.   <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10391911" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here</a> is the picture and story.</p><p>After the Ingram report was released, Michael Cullen continued to say __"After all, the fundamental fault Mr Field committed was to work too hard on behalf of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:43:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>why do politicians feel necessary to downplay or ignore their Christianity in the public arena? Perhaps it is because they know the electorate/nation won't have a bar of it?</p></blockquote><p>Because they at least sense that the electorate knows that, after country music and patriotism, religion is the third-to-last refuge of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:06:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>Well whether or not its morally ambiguous or not the timing will add significantly to Field's case for martyrdom.</p><p><br />Oh and Brian, if NZ really was a Christian based nation why do politicians feel necessary to downplay or ignore their Christianity in the public arena? Perhaps it is because they…</p>
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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>Note the 14 bribery charges aren't representative, or at least they don't appear to be.</p><p>That suggests multiple instances &ndash; though we'll have to wait until a Court hearing to know more. Even Simativa Perese seemed surprised at the number according to the way he's been quoted.</p><p>Still if it…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And I apolgise for letting Brian The Bish jack this thread any further, but why doesn't he go the whole hog and suggest we follow the example of our head of state?  Since the Act of Settlement became British law in 1701,  no person who did not "join in communion…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><em>I don't have any comment on the validity of that card, though I'd be curious to see how other people in similar positions (Polynesians in position of authority) comment on it.</em></p><p>Yes, and let's hear from some of the immigrants who came to this country to get as far away…</p>
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				<title>Leigh Kennaway</title>
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						<p><em> Perhaps if they all wore something yellow, so the rest of us can know who "they" are. Not racist, just, you know, to be on the safe side. You can't be too careful nowadays. </em></p><p><br />Fortunately a lot of the blighters wear towels on their heads, which helps. The…</p>
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				<title>Nobody Important</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also I note Section 103 states it's an offence to both accept and offer a bribe. Isn't it interesting that the police only want to lay charges against Field and no-one else?</p></blockquote><p>Well, maybe the people 'offerring' the bribe weren't so much 'offerring' them as having a cap waved in…</p>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						A cross-post there, obviously!
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						Perhaps if they all wore something yellow, so the rest of us can know who "they" are. Not racist, just, you know, to be on the safe side. You can't be too careful nowadays.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em> I note Section 103 states it's an offence to both accept and offer a bribe</em></p><p>It might be that whilst Field knew that the help with tiling his house amounted to a corrupt payment the tiler did not. </p><p>For instance: a corrupt overseas policeman stops you on the road…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bishop Brian Tamaki says members of other faiths should enter New Zealand on the basis they are entering a Christian country and have to conform to certain standards.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, my aching Indignation Gland...</p>
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				<title>Leigh Kennaway</title>
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						<p><em> Could the Taito Phillip Field thing just be over, sometime? </em></p><p>Amen to that!! Especially if he takes his mate Brian the Bish with him, ideally to somewhere very, very, very,very far away.</p><p>__ Destiny Church is calling for restrictions on the religious practices of non-Christian faiths.</p><p>Bishop Brian…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I suspect his martyrdom or lack thereof will come down to whether he tries to play the "it's my culture!" card, as he did early on, and how much traction that gets him with Polynesian voters.</p></blockquote><p>I don't have any comment on the validity of that card, though I'd be…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also I note Section 103 states it's an offence to both accept and offer a bribe. Isn't it interesting that the police only want to lay charges against Field and no-one else?</p><p>Can we assume from that the Crown has offered immunity in exchange for testimony? I'll be interested to…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Ben:</p><p>I'm sure that's the 'depends on what the definition of <em>is</em> is' argument various parties will try and run in the months ahead.  But to risk getting all Pollyanna-ish here, I think MPs of all stripes and their staff take their ethical responsibilities to their constituents a wee bit…</p>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but it doesn't seem to have occurred to Field.</p></blockquote><p>I suspect his martyrdom or lack thereof will come down to whether he tries to play the "it's my culture!" card, as he did early on, and how much traction that gets him with Polynesian voters.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the alleged corruption is small scale or at least morally ambiguous and this goes to court it risks making Field into a martyr of sorts, sort of what happened to Pauline Hanson a couple of years back I believe.</p></blockquote><p>Which would be ironic, because I'm personally in no doubt…</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						If the alleged corruption is small scale or at least  morally ambiguous and this goes to court it risks making Field into a martyr of sorts, sort of what happened to Pauline Hanson a couple of years back I believe.
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				<title>Felix Marwick</title>
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						<p>If he goes to trial it isn't over by a long shot.</p><p>Can you imagine what will happen if he goes to Court in election year? You can all but guarantee there will be intense scrutiny of his political activities and that means there'll be a fair chance the actions…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Could the Taito Phillip Field thing just be over, sometime?</p></blockquote><p>Well, we <em>could</em> declare the thread closed now.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><em>Could the Taito Phillip Field thing just be over, sometime?</em></p><p>Hey, I'd be happy if Noel Ingram, QC would get a few very public apologies for the vocal and hideously unfair ballocking he got from all sides.  </p><p>As for the rest of it, I await with interest to see what's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:49:09 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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