"He's young and brown, he's probably stoned", isn't really how our Force should be thinking.

he's middle aged and still has dreadlocks...stoner for sure?

Ehmm what repair place will do it for "peanuts"?
Standard minimum charge is often as high as $70.

Its just another sort of three pin plug. Init?

Stoners do usually realize this and drive slower

You make that sound like a deliberate decision. :)

Chop it off, get a new jack... any repair place will be able to do that for peanuts. [quote]
Ehmm what repair place will do it for "peanuts"?
Standard minimum charge is often as high as $70.

Thanks for all the helpful advice. Our local Tiscos have repaired it, for…

I've always felt pretty safe being driven by someone who has only imbibed THC than those either sleep deprived or drunk.

I really share this opinion.

The problem with THC is that it is hard to tell which dose actually makes it insecure to drive. So I think it is…

If that sounds like more trouble than it's worth, any repair place will be able to do that for peanuts. [quote]

Ehmm what repair…

but that was after a car crash where my mate was frozen solid and white as ash, hands grasping the dash and refusing to acknowledge us or our request to exit the vehicle...

...so i slapped him real…

Seems the powers that be are mixing their demographics.

Currently late night road traffic is probably either boyracers, stoners or workers. Forcing the stoners to stay home and microwave, the boy racers will simply gain more late night road space, leaving the…

doesn't really confer much confidence that it's about public safety rather than being Seen to Be Doing Things.

I've always felt pretty safe being driven by someone who has only imbibed THC than those either sleep deprived or drunk.

Hard to feel much danger when you're going km/h in a…

Look, it's not ok for anyone to beat up on anyone else. In our…

Assertive retreats are where it's at. First, you need to leave, and you need to be as assertive about it as…

Yes and threw in The joker, from "Batman,

Ok mixed 2 threads again. Sorry It should have been on the March for Democracy but then this comment probably doesn't work but there is a trend in the Dubmugga approach but so what..
Here is that comment anyhow.

Only one 'person' introduced this into a discussion about the legal defense of provocation:

damn...so if my lady comes at me with a pair of scissors, i cant stab her 216 times and mutilate her corpse then claim provocation?

Hardly "restraining and calming" is it?
And if you don't see…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_jyXJTlrH0

By 'not getting the benefit of the defence', I would guess you mean his lawyer was unable to run that as a defence stategy at the trial.

Oh, wait....

Weatherston's lawyer did as she was instructed as any agent should. The defence, if I recall correctly, failed.

Why don't they reinforce this point with a protective sleeve, or something?

That is fairly easy for an electrician to fix. This reply is hella late but hey...

also my dad left his Bose noise cancelling headphones on a tree (he was using them for chain sawing. He then left…

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTQ4NTkxNDA=.html

The only answer I felt unsatisfied with was Gary Gotlieb's response to your question

"In the age of the…

The most charitable thing I can say about dubmuggas comment is that it was a joke in extremely poor taste, so poor it wasn't even clear if it was a joke.

Eh, I'll grant that it was a poorly-worded joke. It's the continued defence that's trollish.

Time for beddy byes now.

if you don't see what a cock that type of talk makes you, then I pity your family

oh no you didnt...

damn...so if my lady comes at me with a pair of scissors, i cant stab her 216 times and mutilate her corpse then claim provocation?

Hardly "restraining and calming" is it?
And if you don't see…

and scotty, no ones talking bout beating a woman up, i'm talking about hypothetically restraining…

I reckon the target market for the advert is middle-aged voters who want to be reassured that the police are "doing something about yoof".

In much the same way that military recruitment ads are about inspiring patriotic old codgers and making them feel Safe From the Japs (who own their…

Off Topic, but good to see the provocation defense has gone.
Anyone know who/why five MPs voted to keep it?

ACT, of course. Why would they vote for the law to regard gays as human beings?

However, I don't like the way laws like this are developed. Usually there's some…

That is exactly what the Central Christchurch Liquor ban has increased.
It is legal to drive through with alcohol in your car.
But cops are stopping kids, searching their cars and pouring the priviously unopened piss into the Avon.

Isn't that called theft?

If you think it's better to give someone a bash, rather than walk away, then I pity those around you.

You should get help.

so you'd disarm the person then run away...

...and you think i'm making stupid statements ?

Please note the "more seriously", and, yeah, it's about equally as logical as your hypothetical situation.

This is the most ridiculous song I have heard all year. And I love it.

And it reminded me of this, same kinda feel, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91WgM6dNLTE
And I just noticed the first Yuotube comment, quite apt i thought.

This was one of the songs that got me through rehab ........ respect…

...and you think i'm making stupid statements ?

Reminds me of my saying I dined out on during the early 90s.

The Army was the cheapest discipline I'ld ever had.

turn your back on an able bodied distressed person who just tried to stab you ?

Then do it at a run.

More seriously, there's a difference between "defend yourself" and "slap some sense into", espeically considering the misogynistic overtones of the latter. Stop constructing tenuous hypothetical scenarios in defence…

So. Hot.

y'all should see me on the dance floor...DAMN !!!

Interesting take, Craig. You're worried this makes it hard for the cops?

Hey, cops are human too — and we've all got enough unavoidable crap to carry though the day without making any more. :)

it was clear what they were trying to say to women

My interpretation of the Lisa ad:

"Dear Ladies,

Our culture is insistent that you are in charge of other people's penises whether you are drunk, sober, promiscuous, celibate, in trackies, or in a corset. But we just wanted to…

I reckon the target market for the advert is middle-aged voters who want to be reassured that the police are "doing something about yoof".

No lose all round then.

Disarm her, then walk away.

turn your back on an able bodied distressed person who just tried to stab you ?...not bloody likely. its not OK to try and stab someone with scissors and it certainly wouldn't be OK with me if, while walking away i get clocked with a…

OK so if my lady comes at me with some scissors, i should disarm her and restrain her but not try to slap some sense into her...not even once as a shock tactic to snap her out of it ?

Disarm her, then walk away. How hard is that? Does…

Similarly with these ads – it's fairly clear what they're saying to the kids, not so clear what they're saying to the cops.

Well, as Russell observed:

I wonder if its target market will also take the message that the cops can do what they want, and whether that's healthy…

It would have been nice if killing gays raised the same levels of public outrage and political urgency as the savage murder of a pretty young woman...

i reckon it would have if the defendent had been a smarmy white educated…

What if Sophie's dad had come in the room, found his dead daughter and then killed Weatherston? No more provocation for him! Think about it. I haven't.

We don't have mandatory life sentences for murder any more. Had the event you described occurred and the father been found guilty of…

if you are really serious about putting some focus into raising your children right then think a bit about how this adolescent attitude helps.

it helps by showing my kids that you cant get away with provocation so dont kill anyone unless its in real self defense, a case of…

The law was changed in a rush, but that doesn't mean the change is a bad one. The Law Commission report offers some pretty compelling reasons to do away with the partial defence.

And may I add that the gay community has been talking about how seriously fucked up the…

Being "provocative and hard-hitting" doesn't give ad industry creatives or their clients a pass for sending out mixed message that are, at best, just incoherent.

I thought it was clear what they were trying to say to women, but I agree with you, men could easily get the wrong idea,…

Oh, wait....

It's true that the Weatherston case brought the partial defence of provocation to the fore, but it's not as if the matter hadn't been debated before then.

Which is retarded because Weatherston didn't get the benefit of the defence. The homosexual panic defence was that crappest part of provocation. I…

ummm..so would it then be OK in that instance to just slap her round a bit as maybe clayton shoulda done...if that were the case ?

No.

Sorry, but advocating domestic violence, even in jest, isn't very funny.

It's true that the Weatherston case brought the partial defence of provocation to the fore, but it's not as if the matter hadn't been debated before then.

damn...so if my lady comes at me with a pair of scissors, i cant stab her 216 times and mutilate her corpse then…

The law was changed in a rush, but that doesn't mean the change is a bad one. The Law Commission report offers some…

Russell, now look what you've done!

Just another day in the life of a super hero...

It does appear to have been removed.

Works for me.

EDIT: Argh, embed fail. try here for the most awesome music video you'll ever see.

Am I missing something? LTSA seem to have removed the ad from their site.

It does appear to have been removed. The radio ads too.

Russell, now look what you've done!

There's a quick rundown on their website (I was going to quote it, but it's worth reading in full.)

And the NZLS submission (.pdf) itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l2AblgHy1w

Can I ask what those were?

There's a quick rundown on their website (I was going to quote it, but it's worth reading in full.)

It's scary that I can agree with a party (ACT) whose typical supporter would quite happily abolish a large number of the services I rely…

"ACT, which basically adopted the New Zealand Law Society's concerns."

Can I ask what those were?

I hate it when ACT take a reasoned or pricipled position (whether I agree or disagree with it). Thankfully this is becoming less and less as time goes bye.

My understanding from workplace drug testing regimes is that there is no way to actually test for impairment with cannabis. They can tell how much is swimming around in your system but not what it is doing to your brain.

They're not undertaking clinical tests for impairment.

The test for…

My concern is that this will result in an additional offence on top of the Misuse of Drugs Act

[[http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0017/40.0/link.aspx?id=DLM2014941#DLM2014941 | S73a of the Act – Evidence of controlled drug in blood sample taken under section 72 or 73 may not be used as evidence of use of controlled drugs…

The problem isn't in the law, it is in its application.

When I talk to politicians, they think of them laws as being applied reasonably. Thus, laws themselves seem perfectly reasonable, even when the outcomes are perverse.

The section 58 offence only related to any class A drug.

The section 11A offence is any drug (including prescription medication), but requires proof of impairment.

Interesting. You've answered my questions.

...so cannabis isn't in there. Just having THC in your bloodstream isn't automatically an offense, although before they could…

The section 58 offence only related to any class A drug.

The section 11A offence is any drug (including prescription medication), but requires proof of impairment.

Sorry, poor phrasing on my part. That's the point I wanted to get across too. My concern is that this will result in an…

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction – "So if your mates are eating burgers and acting like dicks, the cops will think you're on drugs?" There's no indication (that I could see) that the guy did anything to warrant getting tested.

You must have been watching a different ad.…

good to see the provocation defense has gone.
Anyone know who/why five MPs voted to keep it?

ACT, which basically adopted the New Zealand Law Society's concerns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdQuWPj0J0

This is the most ridiculous song I have heard all year. And I love it.

Just yer standard minijack. I am getting sound through the left ear and occasionally through the right, so it obviously something to do with the connection. Do you know if they can be repaired?

Yep. Chop it off, get a new jack from Dick Smith for ... $5.95?, solder it…

Queen St probably wasn't too different back in the day....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NINOxRxze9k

But Section 58 indicates that actually any indication at all of a controlled substance in your blood test is an offence in itself:
...
(b) if the person’s blood, as ascertained from an analysis of a blood specimen subsequently taken under section 73, contains evidence of the use of a…

Geoff, do the noise-cancelling models have a standard minijack

Just yer standard minijack. I am getting sound through the left ear and occasionally through the right, so it obviously something to do with the connection. Do you know if they can be repaired?

Summer is on its way--the birds are…

Off Topic, but good to see the provocation defense has gone.
Anyone know who/why five MPs voted to keep it?

No idea, I agree that it should be disposed of, now that a life sentence for murder is no longer mandatory, it should be considered in mitigation, rather than as…

If it had insufficient THC levels, then he might well have had a good argument.

That's a point! Although I imagine that the legal system in Texas is a little less amenable to good arguments than the legal system in NZ might be.

ETA: For example, another friend was arrested…

A stoner friend of ours in Texas got busted for marijuana in his glovebox, and his indignant defence was 'but officer, it's shitty pot!' He honestly thought the lack of quality would be reason enough to get him off. Heh.

If it had insufficient THC levels, then he might well…

15 seeds in a matchbox in the glovebox he didnt know was there

A stoner friend of ours in Texas got busted for marijuana in his glovebox, and his indignant defence was 'but officer, it's shitty pot!' He honestly thought the lack of quality would be reason enough to get…

I'd say that the "the ad's purpose is to scare" line is highly plausible.

Like ALAC's "it's not the drinking, it's the getting trollied, acting like a dirty flirty whore and just asking to get raped' one? I recall that going down around here (and out in the Kiwi femi-sphere)…

But cops are stopping kids, searching their cars and pouring the priviously unopened piss into the Avon. They do this because the cops got caught drinking it themselves a few years back.

...they used to make us pour it out ourselves under threat of arrest

But Section 58 indicates that actually any indication at all of a controlled substance in your blood test is an offence in itself:

The section 58 offence only related to any class A drug.

The section 11A offence is any drug (including prescription medication), but requires proof of impairment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MytfhzcSF-Y

:-P

If we start seeing cases that look like "We stopped them because drive-thru BK at 3 on a Saturday morning is indicative behaviour", I can see some court rulings to the effect of unlawful detention.

sometimes they have no intention to arrest, its just some power tripping bullshit to inconvenience…

Perhaps the ad would have been better if the cop sniffed the air or something to indicate the smell of cannabis.

I'd say that the "the ad's purpose is to scare" line is highly plausible. The police sometimes do want to convey that they're arbitrary, fickle, clever and devious. That…

...but officer you're hardly likely…

I've found that iPod earphones fit neatly into a "Jols" (sugar-free sweets) tin.

I just wrap 'em around the iPod, and have never had any trouble.

Sony headphones give you pretty incredible bang for your buck on a cost/fidelity basis, but the build these days (headphones, as opposed to earphones)…

And if you do go down to get tested, what constitutes a failed test? Are there established limits? And, if so, does being below said limit but still guilty of having measureable traces leave me liable for a charge of 'being high at some stage recently'?

There's a good factsheet…

Anyway, here's bullet time in lego.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDe4v318f64

the purpose of the campaign is to scare young men, and the fewer of them there are on the road on drugs, the better

Chicks on speed and 40 year olds on acid are fine to drive however. They won't crash....

And if you do go down to get tested, what constitutes a failed test? Are there established limits? And, if so, does being below said limit but still guilty of having measureable traces leave me liable for a charge of 'being high at some stage recently'?

Enquiring minds want to.........what…

Invoking the Misuse of Drugs act was always a pain in the tit for anyone innocent, but at least a roadside search is relatively quick.

Quite. I went through a few of those with my mates when we were in the demographic of the people in the ad, but at…

All young people are on drugs... apparently.

Enquiring minds want to.........what…

My advice is, if you're a peckish poly in the backseat, hide that shit before the police pull you over.

Or dine-in?

But why? Is the LTSA actually trying to give the impression that the new law will be used by police officers in an arbitrary and capricious fashion? That officers just will enact what amounts to an arrest without the bother of arresting someone because they feel like it?

If the…

http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2179,discussion-uncivil-rights.sm?p=138418#post138418

its the arbitrary nature with which the cop in the ad decides these younguns need drug testing and the threat of arrest by which it can be applied which worries me.

'either come down to the station and submit to a blood test or…

Young people + late at night + vomiting + acting like dickheads + beating people up =

A night at Jesse's place?

Young people + late at night + vomiting + acting like dickheads + beating people up = that's alright, they're "on the piss".

I'm over LTSA's ad strategy. Way past time for a change.

Because if you're not one of the over 3.5 million people who have viewed this in the last 3 days, you damn well should be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY

^
I recommend it be watched it in widescreen and…

And they are, well, happy (which is not, so far as I am aware, against the law).

Just give the bastards time, RB.

Gary Gotlieb and Jock Anderson duel over name suppression;

While I've been tempted to slap both men on other occasions, they both contributed to a useful discussion rather than a migraine-inducing shouting match. WTF do you put in the green room coffee, Russell? :)

But why? Is the LTSA actually trying to give the impression that the new law will be used by police officers in an arbitrary and capricious fashion?

And illegal...

Section 71A of the Land Transport Act makes clear that:

__An enforcement officer may require [a driver] to undergo a compulsory…