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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6729532/Union-says-Port-intimidating-wharfies" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pinkerton 2.0, much</a>?</p><p>And Mayor Len has <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10798466" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sent a strongly worded letter from Beijing</a>... but has the horse already bolted?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:01:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>Hello Every Body I want to address you all publicly so I go to Public Address but of course I am clever. </p><p>First Citizen John Key the First bloging here &ndash; I sat down with it _ I so down with it &ndash; I been planking for very much ages…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:22:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10798338 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Port 'crawling' with security guards</a><br />Now this could be handy...<br /><q>He claimed the wharfies had been forbidden from wearing t-shirts or any other items affiliated with the union.</p><p> "There is nowhere in the world where they put security cameras inside crane cabs. We don't mind security but we don't…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:07:36 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Is he a scapegoat or does he actually have moral fibre?</q></p><p>All that's been said so far is a <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10795535" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"difference in views on board strategies"</a>. No indication of which way he's jumped.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:24:52 +1300</pubDate>
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						Is he a scapegoat or does he actually have moral fibre?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:10:42 +1300</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6666246/Director-quits-Auckland-port-board" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bedlam in the boardroom...</a>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:01:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>It is spelt “Malignorance”</q></p><p><q>Noun	1.	malignance &ndash; (medicine) a malignant state; progressive and resistant to treatment and tending to cause death.</p><p>2.	malignance &ndash; quality of being disposed to evil; intense ill will</q><br />Think that's about right.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:48 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>It is spelt “Malignorance”.</q></p><p>Or maybe it's spelt "fiddling while Rome burns".</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:54:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						It is spelt "Malignorance".
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:44:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I’m undecided if that’s through malice or ignorance.</q></p><p>A mixture of the two? Malignance?.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:46:05 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>An injunction has been granted to stop contracting out until Mid May but does not guarantee a return to work &ndash; the Health &amp; Safety Barrier to a return to work and other matters will be considered on 30th March 2012.</p><p>The injuinction is here:<br /><a href="http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/employment-court/documents/2012-judgments/2012-%20NZEmpC%2052-%20MUNZ%20V%20POAL%20LTD%20-%20Oral%20Judgment.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/employment-court/documents/2012-judgments/2012-%20NZEmpC%2052-%20MUNZ%20V%20POAL%20LTD%20-%20Oral%20Judgment.pdf</a></p><p>Time is hopefully running out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:38:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						It wasn't a pun, I was inventing my own language &ndash; just making shit up and stuff.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:46:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>If you already know the answer, there's no point in asking the question.</q></p><p>that is the Jukp to the right Nats answer &ndash; it is still worth asking the question and looking at the range of possible solutions that extends well past the mixed ownership PPP model.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:44:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>The answer to everything is Mixed Ownership and PPP – no matter what question.</q><br /><random prediction alert> Except that when it all turns to nasty-coloured custard (and it will) it'll be because we got 'the worst of both worlds'  and full privatisation will be touted as the only way forward. <br />If you already…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:56:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						What really slacks me off is that the economy will contract as a result &ndash; it starts to turn around and this dispute become entrenched &ndash; everytime the domestic economy starts to show signs of recover it is slammed into recession/down turn  &ndash; last time it was tag teamed by…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:02:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						I suspect so too. If anything, busting the MUNZ will merely win PoAL the battle. The port-of-convenience war could be quite another thing.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:15:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>eply to DexterX, about an hour ago Email Web Twitter<br />The POAL are just deficating on everyone</q></p><p>I was trying to work out whether you making a strange double pun &ndash; deficit + defecate = I guess that's still a possibility...</p><p>Steve B &ndash; the Union wont be finished until…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:09:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I was talking to an old friend the other day, a lawyer who used to do a lot of work for the Maritime Union, he told me that the Union is as good as finished, the H&S stance taken by the company may be dishonest, deceptive and total shit but it…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:22:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>The POAL are just deficating on everyone – it is nonsense H&amp; S is something they will already have done to a degree that it would not be a barrier for a return to work.</q></p><p>PoAL can save their face or their arse &ndash; but they can't save both at once.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:35:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>From the stuff article:</p><p> <q>The latest impasse comes after the workers were locked out last week due to health and safety concerns. </p><p>In a press release, a Ports of Auckland spokeswoman said it is unrealistic for union members to retain to work until all health and safety requirements are met.…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:29:28 +1300</pubDate>
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						And getting back on topic, mediation talks have <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6641007/Ports-of-Auckland-union-mediation-fails" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">broken down... again</a>. Looks like it's up to the Employment Court. I'd say it's looking more and more like the Aussie dispute in 1998.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:11:06 +1300</pubDate>
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						I am concerned the role of Govt is being reduced to collecting the funding stream (Taxes) for the privileged private sector elite &ndash; through PPP &ndash; and that preferred bidders get to tie up that funding streams for 25 years and do not have to bid competitively – so that…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:32:50 +1300</pubDate>
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						<q>I’m undecided if that’s through malice or ignorance. The latter seems more likely to me – to not know that what you’re doing is wrong because it doesn’t hurt you enough. In that case you can sincerely think you are doing the right thing. The outcome is much the same…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:37:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>whoever has the treasury benches has scant concern for the good of the nation.</q></p><p>I'm undecided if that's through malice or ignorance. The latter seems more likely to me &ndash; to not know that what you're doing is wrong because it doesn't hurt you enough. In that case you can…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:02:09 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>What's difficult about the idea that it's in a narrow set of interests, those of the people in charge? </q></p><p>That is what I can't get my head around whether it is Labour or National &ndash; it is a narrow set of interests that rule and lobby the govt and continually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:40:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What I can't get my head around is that overall the thrust of the policy the administration is pursuing, asset sales and all, isn't in what I would call in the best interests of NZ</q></p><p>What's difficult about the idea that it's in a narrow set of interests, those of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:13:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I would call that arrogance</q></p><p>I would call that, Mr Brownlee's response, part of the (massive) leap to the right (away from the centre) that the Nats are now driving towards &ndash; realising they effectively have a one seat margin they are going hard out making mayhem while they still…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:39:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>I would call that arrogance</q></p><p>I would call that a complaint to the Ombudsman.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:19:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Apparently it is not in our interest to know what our govt. thinks about all this...<br /><a href="http://business.scoop.co.nz/2012/03/23/brownlee-wont-yet-divulge-govt-interest-in-port-stoush/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Transport Minister Brownlee won’t divulge government interest in Auckland port dispute</a><br /><q>The CTU wrote to the minister in February requesting, “all information and advice that has been prepared by the Ministry of…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:54:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Don't do friendbook.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 23:00:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>The POAL contact page is here:</p><p><a href="http://www.poal.co.nz/contact_us/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.poal.co.nz/contact_us/</a></p><p>They have a facebook page &ndash; <br /><a href="http://www.facebook.com/AKLPort?ref=ts" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.facebook.com/AKLPort?ref=ts</a></p><p>I attempted to post this to their wall.</p><p><q>I feel it is time to initate a mass letter writing campaign to the Directors of ACIL and POAL and also the Mayor expressing disgust at what is…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:29:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> and also the Mayor expressing disgust at what is going on and the damage that is being done to the Auckland (and National) Economy by the behaviour of POAL</q></p><p>Went looking to email him a week ago to do just that. Went around in circles on the Council website and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:04:12 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>The directors of both ACIL &amp; POAL were initially appointments made as part of the super city process.</p><p>What the process has done, (setting up the Super City and appointing the Directorships) is to remove the control of both ACIL and POAL from the elected representatives.</p><p>So when these appointments were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:49:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Busy today, but the nature of the ownership/control arrangements linking the government, Auckland Transition Agency, Auckland Council, ACIL and POAL has been discussed elsewhere. Yes, they are unusual.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:44:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						Do you have any kind of link that shows what the nature of these organizations is, because you're describing a very unusual kind of company &ndash; it's hard to understand how you could even call people shareholders if, holding a majority of shares, they have no influence whatsoever over the…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:20:05 +1300</pubDate>
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						Control is transmitted through Directors. In this case, by law the shareholder did not get to appoint them.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 12:40:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Interesting summary of recent proceedings <a href="http://waitakerenews.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/poal-saner-heads-should-prevail.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>We seriously have to be asking how much money is this dispute costing, now? The lockout is a really bizarre twist. Len Brown might be getting his A into G, though, finally.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 12:16:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Especially when Auckland Council only holds 1000 shares and Auckland Council Investments Limited owns 156005192 shares.</q></p><p>Auckland Council own all the shares (1,000 of them) in ACIL &ndash; ACIL own all the shares (156005192  of them) in POAL.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:53:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Shareholding doesn't equal control, unfortunately </q></p><p>For a company held by individuals, it does.</p><p>If I own a chain of dairies, and hire a CEO to run them, I can still mandate that they don't sell tobacco, for instance, even though it makes them generate less money. As the sole shareholder,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:15:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						Recommended listen: employment law professor discusses good faith, tells Radio NZ that the Judge had ordered POAL not to continue contracting out process &ndash; which the Port Chair has blithely said they are doing (10 mins, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2513444/the-latest-in-the-ports-of-auckland-dispute" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">listening options</a>).
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:59:30 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Shareholding doesn’t equal control, unfortunately – and the supercity and earlier SOE and port law changes were set up that way deliberately.</q></p><p>If there's one SOE that's usually worked well, it's NZ Post, which has retained the best of both public and private worlds with minimal state interference, and has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:57:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						...3,2,1...timing may depend on coin offered.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:48:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						How long before Paul Holmes et al come out defending POAL and blaming the wharfies for being locked out?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:47:32 +1300</pubDate>
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						POAL serves <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10793793" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">lockout notice</a>. Good faith clearly a very foreign concept.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:44:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Smoking gun, from No Right Turn,<br /><a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/psychopathic-management-in-action.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/psychopathic-management-in-action.html</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:38:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Shareholding doesn’t equal control, unfortunately – and the supercity and earlier SOE and port law changes were set up that way deliberately.</q></p><p>Especially when Auckland Council only holds 1000 shares and Auckland Council Investments Limited owns 156005192 shares.<br />However, the constitution of ACIL must be reviewed before 30 June 2012…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:30:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Hubris yes, because they are prepared to destroy all profits for the sake of power, utter stupidity and hubris, yes.<br />Auckland loses, again.<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10793793" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10793793</a><br />I don't think they are running this port very well at all.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:23:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>Working for us, POAL managers</q><br />"Good faith bargaining"- anything that relates to intentions and attitudes- what's in your head- is hard work in law. But if this "Kirk Richardson" was truly one of the POA negotiators, that he was busy setting up a stevedore contracting company while negotiations were underway…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:14:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I'd like clarity on the documented chain of command. Then I'd like to have exactly what Key is proposing for privatisation in terms of who answers to the owners.<br />It's all in the contract as these goons know, shareholding or not. I see Treasury has had another winner pick on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:07:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Shareholding doesn't equal control, unfortunately &ndash; and the supercity and earlier SOE and port law changes were set up that way deliberately.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:02:14 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Working for us, POAL managers,<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&amp;objectid=10793727" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&amp;objectid=10793727</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:56:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I wish I could understand the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10793725 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Herald article...</a><br /><q>Nearly 300 sacked port workers have won back their jobs after Ports of Auckland's u-turn decision to drop moves to replace them with contractors and re-enter collective agreement talks with the Maritime Union.</q>So, the Wharfies all have their jobs back and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:46:14 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>In reply to Sacha and Merc &ndash; there is also no democracy in democracy.</p><p>The holdings are:  </p><p>The POAL Shareholding:<br /><a href="http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/400910/shareholdings" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/400910/shareholdings</a></p><p>The ACIL Shareholding<br /><a href="http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3089629/shareholdings" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3089629/shareholdings</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:39:49 +1300</pubDate>
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						This news made my night last night.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:24:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						You may be overstating 'owned by' in both those cases.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:41:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						I agree, I wish, we can't, it's not ours, it's theirs :-(
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:17:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>So there’s no democracy in corporatism then.</q></p><p>I can find rortism, (from management) and poortism.(for stevedores).<br /> Sack the Board, Sack Smith from Parliament, Save our Assetts, Save our Port!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:10:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						So there's no democracy in corporatism then.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:58:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						Where a majority of shareholders have no confidence in the Board or a Board Member they can organsie a special meeting and pass a resolution to dismiss the Board or Board Member and appoint others &ndash; the new Board can go about teh process of putting in place a new…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:01:40 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>The POAL may be learning that their position is not as bullet proof as they thought.</q></p><p>It also goes to show that thinking globally and acting locally seemed to work for the MUNZ.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>how?</q></p><p>Scandal?<br />There must be something dodgy to chuck at the fan, a letter from a Minister or something like that.</p>
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						<p><q>dismiss the CEO and appoint a new board</q></p><p>how?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:32:10 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>It may be opportune if a new CEA is negotiated to dismiss the CEO and appoint a new board – thus enabling the future of the Port to be secured without the bad residue of incompetence.</q><br /><crickets></p><p></crickets></p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><a href="http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8439046/ports-of-auckland-puts-plans-on-hold" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8439046/ports-of-auckland-puts-plans-on-hold</a></p><p>POAL have put the redundancy and contracting out bizzo on hold &ndash; as a result of judicial mediation.</p><p>I would like to think that The POAL may perhaps have had in the judicial mediation the matter explained to them by Judge Travis, who may have had to advise them…</p>
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						<p><q>It would also set a precedent for other workplaces,</q></p><p>Which is what the bastards want.<br />Why can't we be more like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_formula " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Canadia</a> <q>In Canadian labour law, the Rand formula (also referred to as automatic check-off) is a workplace situation where the payment of trade union dues is mandatory…</q></p>
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						<q>Should the MUNZ case fail and contracting out prevail at the Auckland Port there will workplace accidents that result from the nature of the change of the working conditions and to my mind there will be blood on a the hands of a lot of people who have effectively washed…</q>
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						<p>This is cool:</p><p><a href="http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8436838/aussie-league-players-support-port-workers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8436838/aussie-league-players-support-port-workers</a></p>
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						<p><q>I did enjoy the show- but having watched it now it doesn't tally with Simon Wilson's editorial.</p><p>He says in that editorial "It seems plain in this dispute that the port does not want to reach a settlement...It suggests the negotiations were a pretext in a plan to destroy the…</q></p>
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						<p>I did enjoy the show- but having watched it now it doesn't tally with Simon Wilson's editorial.</p><p>He says in that editorial "It seems plain in this dispute that the port does not want to reach a settlement...It suggests the negotiations were a pretext in a plan to destroy the…</p>
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						<p><q> but if the port workers jobs are contracted out, would they be contractors or employees?</q></p><p>Like I said back on <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3393/?p=251537#post251537 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Page 3</a><br /><q>So, there is a difference between “Who you work for” and “Who pays you” so who looks after your rights? You got it , nobody.</p><p>The…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:45:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Done deal save the council and Port Tauranga,<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10792502" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10792502</a><br />Auckland and Tauranga have no land available, North Port has heaps. The only reason this would not make sense is...personal stake.</p>
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						<p>Very pertinent because this question has pulled NZ from pillar to post. When Labour are in charge it's best to be an employee, when NACT are in charge, a contractor.<br />All is confusion and pain if you are a Sole Trader but.<br />Ideologically NACT hate on staff, fact. We also…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:43:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<p>Possibly a side-track, but if the port workers jobs are contracted out, would they be contractors or employees?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-supreme-court/news/article.cfm?o_id=403&amp;objectid=10333990" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to tell a contractor from an employee</a></p>
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						Sadly yes. For us the voters there is no coming back from a privatised publicly owned company. I wish more voters knew this. By the time the company has been asset stripped and necessarily re-nationalised, we the voters have to pay for it all over again.
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						<p><q>democratic epic fail</q></p><p>exactly as intended</p>
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						<q>But the mayor said the council could not intervene because legislation which set up the port ownership under a limited company prevented it doing so. He likened the case to a 2004 industrial dispute involving Air New Zealand where the government of the day, as shareholder representative, said it couldn't…</q>
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						<p><q>Sounds like the Councillors have decided today they are legal leaders not moral ones. This situation desperately needs some ethical leadership from Council.</q></p><p>If anything, it’s being <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6582308/Ports-of-Auckland-pauses-redundancy-plan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">left to the courts</a>, as was also the case in the 1998 Aussie dispute. The articles on the councillors’ decisions didn’t name which…</p>
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						Sounds like the Councillors have decided today they are legal leaders not moral ones. This situation desperately needs some ethical leadership from Council.
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6578874/Auckland-Council-defends-port-profit-target" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ACIL defends</a> the 12% target for the Port they own on behalf of Auckland Council.
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						I also theorise that it's a symptom of a weakening middle class &ndash; if they start going downwardly mobile, they'll either deny it, or they'll blame others for their worsening position. Robert Reich's The Truth About The Economy once again comes to mind.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:10:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						Yeah that.
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>Apolitical in the sense that they will unbiasedly accept patronage from any and all governments / elected officials.</q><br />Or in the sense of suckarse with a lot of tongue action.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>link is far more fun</q><br />Still giggling, much to the annoyance of my trying-to-sleep beloved. I'm blaming you, DexterX, and your 666 posts :)</p>
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						<p>Tis link is far more fun than what I intedned to post &ndash; I love Tuesday and dinner with Key.</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/opinion/steve-braunias/6560746/The-Secret-Diary-Of-Len-Brown" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/opinion/steve-braunias/6560746/The-Secret-Diary-Of-Len-Brown</a></p><p>I was going to post on why facilitation hadn't tkane place and Prof Howarth morning  report thang &ndash; along the lines that the MUNZ didn't see the dismissal bombshell…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>Speaking as a Dunedin resident, and looking at the cost benefit to the city of our rugby purpose built stadium, they are most definitely political.</q> </p><p>Apolitical in the sense that they will unbiasedly accept patronage from any and all governments / elected officials.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:22:14 +1300</pubDate>
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						Apolitical == quietly supporting the National Party
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>Professional sports unions are apolitical and respected for it</q></p><p>Speaking as a Dunedin resident, and looking at the cost benefit to the city of our rugby purpose built stadium, they are most definitely political. It is just they do not specifically endorse a particular political party.</p>
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						<p><q>Nice phrase. Might appeal to those who get all antsy if you use the words “false consciousness”.</q></p><p>Here’s another one that comes to mind… “<a href="http://www.diebrokeblog.com/?p=1281" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Joneses are bankrupt</a>”.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe they're considered to be honorary CEOs?</q></p><p>Except not many people like CEOs who are generally known to be right wing political BS artists.  </p><p>Professional sports unions are apolitical and respected for it.</p>
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						<p><q>aspiration delusion</q></p><p>Nice phrase. Might appeal to those who get all antsy if you use the words "false consciousness".</p>
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						<q>Something that has intrigued me for some time – despite the general antipathy towards unions there is one that gets very deferential treatment – the professional rugby players’ one. They get everything (and more) that ordinary workers could desire and seemingly no management issues. Maybe they’re considered to be honorary…</q>
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						<p><q>And it looks like someone within PoAL has handed the union’s PR team a headline of their own</q></p><p>Guessing it has come via one of the PR companies paid by POAL, although perhaps not directly to the blogger concerned.</p><p>It doesn't stop there, though: the wider port wrangle is a…</p>
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						I surfed it breaking off the back of the groyne, perfect A frames breaking left and right, 1979, 3 of us out. Some days you just remember. The days 1973-76 were Whangamata and Raglan and Piha days for me, interesting what's happened there...wherever there are great breaks on the East…
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						<p><q>and on to the Sawmill for concerts</q></p><p>Heck no &ndash; it would just encourage subdivision all along the route. Like Joyce's highway..</p>
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						priests of a nostalgic national religion
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						The halcyon days of the Omaha bar &ndash; 1973-76 approx &ndash; were the result of dredging in the nearby channel in the mid- to late-60s, i.e. man made. The groyne just hastened the return to slightly more "normal" contours of the beach post-dredging. I can flick you the whole story…
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						Something that has intrigued me for some time &ndash; despite the general antipathy towards unions there is one that gets very deferential treatment &ndash; the professional rugby players' one. They get everything (and more) that ordinary workers could desire and seemingly no management issues. Maybe they're considered to be honorary…
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						<p><q>Willie Jackson has handed POAL’s PR team tomorrow’s headline.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10791918" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">And it looks like someone within PoAL has handed the union's PR team a headline of their own</a>.</p>
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						Surely, this is on the wrong thread. Emma's thread is over there ===>
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						<p><q>Oh dear, I meant to write groyne, naturally…</q></p><p>I missed a line in my MSc thesis... "the river is stabilized by a groin on either side of its mouth".</p>
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						<p>Here is how you convince folk to privatise any (already) efficient business.</p><p>1} Fire the workers and contract the place out.<br />2} Convince the organisation to increase it's levies so that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10789225 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> private business can compete</a>.</p><p>ACC Chairman appears to be surprised as well:</p><blockquote><p>Mr Judge was also scathing about…</p></blockquote>
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						<p><q>Oh dear, I meant to write groyne, naturally…</q></p><p>Of course you did... Otherwise it would be nuts anat, eh. <br />;-)</p>
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						Oh dear, I meant to write groyne, naturally...
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>So, a waste of ratepayers money then.</q></p><p>There's a whole thread, or at least a hashtag worth of speculation into what the hell that structure is for. So far, the only really plausible one is that it's been purpose built for a James Bond movie.</p><p>It's not quite high enough…</p>
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						<p>It would be worthwhile to go and sit in the Employment Court and hear the arguments for and against the injunction being sought by the union to stop the permanent contracting out &ndash; any one interested should get along if they can.</p><p>If an inunction is granted it may be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:02:53 +1300</pubDate>
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						Omaha was used a practice run for the D Day Normandy landings, similar contour to Normandy. Before the groin a really good break too.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:37:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Through Omaha? Oh, yes, I like it.</q></p><p>Trouble is it won't run through there. If we are talking Puhoi to Welsford, then we are talking about removing those annoying trucks from the Holiday Highway from Auckland to Omaha (who the fuck called it Omaha? what is it? a WWII beach…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:31:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>As a long-time resident of both Warkworth and Waikanae I think the former’s roading problems could be fixed by a rail link. Imagine the number of tourists who’d be keen on a Matakana day trip by train?</q></p><p>Do you mind if I refer to you as a visionary who’s ideas…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:21:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>And how come there is no connection being made between the dock workers and the Mfat employees? Surely exactly the same principles are at stake in both cases?</q></p><p>Indeed. I advise everybody still breathing an honest breath to join a Union. If you think Unions are a bad thing then…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:14:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I thought it was a temporary structure to hide the tanks until the rest of the Tank Farm redevelopment can occur</q></p><p>So, a waste of ratepayers money then.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:11:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I was recently reading up on the 1951 Waterfront Dispute. Scary how much of what is written up there is still true today.</q></p><p>Not scary really, those with power have always abused it and when the workers apear to have any power whatsoever it is seen as a threat to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:10:04 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>In short, I don't think this would be solved if the Council said "oh don't worry, just get us 6%"</q></p><p>What I meant to say earlier was  &ndash; That 6% is the return, by admission of the Mayor and POAL, that they were getting and this return was above parity…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:49:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						<p>Not sure if anyone mentioned this &ndash; interviews with ex-Northland Port Director and more importantly, CEO of Mainfreight of the need for a port in Auckland &ndash; there are business imperatives to having the port close to the main population centre and neither Tauranga or Northland can replace this...<br />[[http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2512001/the-call-for-auckland's-port-to-be-moved-north.asx…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:39:13 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>In short, I don't think this would be solved if the Council said "oh don't worry, just get us 6%"</q></p><p>That is what the return they were getting and it was above aprity with most other ports.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:17:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6566882/Union-tries-to-block-wharfies-dismissal" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Let litigation commence...</a>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:56:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Francis</title>
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						Through Omaha? Oh, yes, I like it.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:24:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						<p><strong><em>99.9% of those I spoke to had no idea about the proposals...</em></strong></p><p><q>‘There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:17:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Would that train go through Kumeu?<br />I love the things you describe here BTW.</p>
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						I worked for Heart of the City canvassing ratepayers about their thoughts on the propsed District plan changes in October and found that 99.9% of those I spoke to had no idea about the proposals. The only residents that agreed with the port expansion &ndash; about a dozen people out…
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						Unions are in a bind, fewer members = less income = decreased ability to achieve results = less interest in people joining and so on in an ever decreasing spiral. The connection between the human side of our society and the practice of capitalism is disregarded to our detriment. As…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:41:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						I found this proposal to move the <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2512001/the-call-for-auckland&#039;s-port-to-be-moved-north" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">port to Northland</a> interesting.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:11:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew r</title>
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						Seriously lols, just massive massive lols. Franks .....
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:08:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p><q>It was not only misleading ,it was a downright lie.<br />A stevedore at 40 hrs a week at 53 weeks, $56,187.00 before tax, by my math.</q></p><p>The $91,000 is (partly) explained <a href="http://needforchange.poal.co.nz/News/Other/120309_Stevedore_Remuneration.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.    Not shown in those figures, but I believe this to be the case, is that the figure also…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:07:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p><q>don't think that the 'market model' is the real culprit </q></p><p>Maybe not, but the opposite (state controlled) might well be a solution, creating benefits for the economic viability of POA, for the ports network as a whole, and as a fundamental piece of macro-economic infrastructure.</p><p>Maybe it's less about ownership,…</p>
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				<title>steve black</title>
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						I was recently reading up on the 1951 Waterfront Dispute. Scary how much of what is written up there is still true today.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:40:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Political scientists might just call that "fascism"...</q></p><p>Godwin's law was invented to block objecting to fascism.</p>
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						I could say but I wont ;-) The tide went out on us when they hired their first CEO.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:29:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q> too much institutionalized power via corporatism </q></p><p>Political scientists might just call that "fascism"...</p>
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						<p>No longer prescient, headline change <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6562626/Auckland-Council-to-vote-on-port" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6562626/Auckland-Council-to-vote-on-port</a><br />Sadly I think too much institutionalized power via corporatism means that this struggle is one-sided. The hiring has been done, the contracts offered.</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						It's very difficult to gather enough reliable information to form an opinion on this, but it seems clear that this is a battle in a larger war, and that it could very easily turn to custard for current political incumbents.
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						There's no me in solidarity ;-)
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Mai FM were running advertising for contractors for the port, and appealing directly to the workers on strike to come in to negotiate. In the 40 mins I was in the car this morning, I heard the advertisement about 8 times.</p><p><q>I don't think anyone really cares anymore (outside of…</q></p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>links upthread have some details</q><br />Some but not quite the specifics (unless I've missed them as usual) &ndash; the "12%" seems to be used quite differently across reports.  It sounds like McKay gave ACIL the high-level financial target though &ndash; which makes the Mayor and Council even further removed from…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>Aside from that. Can someone, anyone, explain this monstrosity that we paid for down in Slimepool Park?</q><br />I thought it was a temporary structure to hide the tanks until the rest of the Tank Farm redevelopment can occur</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> “leaking like a sieve with massive holes in it” </q></p><p>Oh I do love the smell of a good tautology in the morning.</p><p>Aside from that. Can someone, anyone, explain this monstrosity that we paid for down in Slimepool Park?<br /><q><a href="http://www.elchzone.de/2011/09/08/wynyard-quarter-city-development-in-auckland/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> The Bridge into the void:</a> This picture shows the…</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>really keen to see where/how this occurred</q></p><p>links upthread have some details</p>
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						<p>It seems to me if you were preparing POAL for sale, you'd get all employees on contract first. Who owns the land the ports operate from?<br />Oh my, is Auckland Council going to be asset stripped? (go Rodders). I write this because this is not the first attempt, I must…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:17:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>But the Council are the ones who insisted on that level of return in the first place.</q></p><p>I'm really keen to see where/how this occurred &ndash; I believe it, I just want to see the mechanism that was used.  </p><p>But I also think that's a bit of a red herring…</p>
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						<p>I think the wharfies are screwed. I don't want it to be so but I suspect it will be.<br />I don't think anyone really cares anymore (outside of Public Address and a few sundry others) and what would have happened in the good old days &ndash; every port in NZ…</p>
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						But the Council are the ones who insisted on that level of return in the first place. Only public pressure will force a backdown and as you note the levers are highly politicised at each level &ndash; including the various right-wing attachments of those put in place by the governement…
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						<p>This makes for an interesting read: &ndash; CMP ANZCO Lock out fact sheet</p><p><a href="http://union.org.nz/sites/union.org.nz/files/CMP%20ANZCO%20Lock%20out%20fact%20sheet%20_2_.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://union.org.nz/sites/union.org.nz/files/CMP%20ANZCO%20Lock%20out%20fact%20sheet%20_2_.pdf</a></p>
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						<p>An insight into Council's relationship with central Govt.<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/6563273/Councils-hit-back-at-central-govt" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/6563273/Councils-hit-back-at-central-govt</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:37:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>It's not so much the inaction that is Brown's problem &ndash; rather that he campaigned as the Mayor to counter the ideological constructs of the SuperCity creation.  He's now been shown up as completely constricted by them and either unwilling or unable to go around them. <br />As far as I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:35:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						Prescience <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6562626/Auckland-Council-to-support-port" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6562626/Auckland-Council-to-support-port</a>
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						<p><q>I think we will see similar things happening here. With jonkey’s latest offering of Steven Joyce, CEO of NZ, as the head of a “Super Ministry” I can see a lack of interest in supporting the “Powers That Be” coming to a Town near you soon.<br />With Police expenditure on…</q></p>
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						Regarding international solidarity precedents, I was referring to NZ-based industrial disputes. But yeah, global solidarity isn't new.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>One of the most memorable aspects of the Australian dispute was the restraint shown by state police.</q></p><p>I think we will see similar things happening here. With jonkey’s latest offering of Steven Joyce, CEO of NZ, as the head of a “Super Ministry” I can see a lack of interest…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:17:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>To the best of my knowledge, the Aussie dispute was largely domestic.</q><br />That's my best recollection, though the International Transport Workers Federation did organise a boycott of Australian produce in the US, for which they were condemned by then ALP leader Kim Beazley.</p><p> <q>Britain in 1984, where Thatcher threw the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:06:29 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Well, we could look at the <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUdockers.htm " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> London Dockers’ Strike</a>of 1889, or even the Match Strike. And no I do not jest…<br /><a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUmatchgirls.htm " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> The Matchgirls Strike</a> and the work of one <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUwebbB.htm " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Beatrice Potter</a> (not to be confused with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrix_Potter " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Beatrix Potter</a> How do ya mime…</p>
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						<p>Comparing the ongoing Auckland dispute with the 1998 Aussie one, which is probably the closest precedent...</p><p>&ndash; Patrick Corp was unconditionally backed by the Howard Lib-Nat Govt during the Aussie dispute.<br />&ndash; The Key Govt is largely sitting back and letting PoAL do most of the dirty work, although Key…</p>
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						<p>Willie Jackson is as big a patsy as Len Brown &ndash; they are both stupid people out of their depth, they do however show that the witless can prevail &ndash; never overlook the power of stupidity coupled with determination and self-interest.</p><p>Len Brown if he had gonads &ndash; which we…</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p>Russell &ndash; there is no doubt at all that they do, in fact, work together.</p><p>Read this document: <a href="http://www.waterfrontauckland.co.nz/aucklandwaterfront/media/PDFfiles/waterfrontPlan/05WP_Port.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.waterfrontauckland.co.nz/aucklandwaterfront/media/PDFfiles/waterfrontPlan/05WP_Port.pdf</a> </p><p>If you don't have time for the whole thing, here are some highlights:</p><p>"This strategy sets out Waterfront Auckland’s support for POAL’s local and international port and logistics activities. Auckland’s Port…</p>
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						<p>Yes we see this a lot with contracting out. Remember when phone technicians at telecom disputed their pay and conditions telecom said it was an issue with their contracted  company and nothing to do with them. Even though telecom was the one <br />screwing down the contract to visionstream which passed…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6559219/Jackson-pulls-back-from-port-comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Backpedalling</a>.</p><p><q>"I want to make it clear that when I say 'militant action', I'm talking about taking a stance on an issue in a strong but non-violent manner, in the way that Lucy Lawless took a stance recently with Greenpeace," Jackson said.</p><p>"As I said very clearly in today's broadcast,…</q></p>
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						<p><q>I'm just not convinced that the nature of the owner (i.e. public or private) is the primary factor in good or bad organisational performance.</q></p><p>Well put.</p>
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						<p>AND!!!<br />Sometimes <a href="http://www.employmenttoday.co.nz/case-notes/cn147.asp " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> It's hard to know who you work for</a><br /><q>Allied was a labour hire company that had a casual employment agreement with McDonald. He was sent on his first placement by Allied in September 2006 and he worked for various clients thereafter. In March 2007, McDonald was…</q></p>
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						<p>Ok, who gains here?<br />The Port may, or may not, gain some efficiency in terms of stuff moved for cash spent. You still need people to move that stuff.  Now, where do I get to be buyin’ me some people?</p><p><strong>Who Ya Gonna Call?</strong><br /><a href="http://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthread.php?2362-Allied-Work-Force-IPO/page2 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Allied Work Force</a>,   that’s…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Willie Jackson has <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10791570" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">handed POAL's PR team tomorrow's headline</a>.</p><p>Helen Kelly et al have been consistent and disciplined on picket-line behaviour. Now he's calling for some biffo.</p><p>The tragic thing is, he undoubtedly believes he's helping.</p>
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						<p>Just revisiting Fran O'Sullivan's January column in which she <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10777949" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">greets the dispute as foreshadowing privatisation</a>. She seems to find it intolerable that democratically elected councils should have a view on the use of public assets.</p><p>But I think it's most interesting for the fact that it channels the case these people…</p>
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						<p><q>Are there ever substantial traffic delays between Puhoi and Wellsford outside holiday periods?</q></p><p>That's a very significant point. Here in Kapiti, we face another of these Roads of National Party Significance, and the issue is similar. The problem used to be holidays and evening rush hour between Paraparaumu and Waikanae…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Are there ever substantial traffic delays between Puhoi and Wellsford outside holiday periods?</q></p><p>As long as one doesn't go on the Friday avo of a long weekend I have no problems. The Dome is the bitch if we encounter any road accident. When I used to commute from Warkworth back…</p>
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						<p>Indeed. Fixing blackspots doesn’t have to cost billions. The real issues are about palace-building, cronyism, and the interests of the few at the expense of the many.</p><p>Sacha:<q>and what more reason for reducing those charges does the govt need?</q><br />For the same reasons no one in Britain dared challenge Rupert…</p>
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						Are there ever substantial traffic delays between Puhoi and Wellsford outside holiday periods?
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						<p><q>When Hooton’s damning Rodney Hide’s Super City design as anti-democratic, you really do know there’s a problem.</q></p><p>Indeed. Although with iPredict I can't tell if these guys haven't all just turned into degenerate gamblers, losing all real interest in the outcome except in so far as having picked it is…</p>
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						<p><q> Beefing up Northport and rail links on the other hand..</q><br />and we already own Northport. Plus the rail line has always been there just severely neglected now and, out to Northport would be cost beneficial. Actually I have to agree with the term being a frequent driver myself,and it is…</p>
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						Don't disagree with some of your points at all James, but personally don't think that the 'market model' is the real culprit here. There are good examples of well-run privately owned infrastructure organisations (Ports of Tauranga, Auckland Airport), and examples of well run publicly owned infrastructure organisations (Mighty River Power,…
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						@merc  Better than arterial hemmorhaging.
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						<p>Well if Mr Key says so, make it so &ndash; will never happen, what would we do with all those ex harbour tsars?<br />It seems to me there is just too much power in the hands of a very few, and that is crushing us &ndash; /wind whistles, tumbleweeds flow/.…</p>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p><q>the market model seems to be working fine for Tauranga</q></p><p>Maybe. But aren't people getting injured &ndash; or worse &ndash; at that workplace?</p><p>Also, I think Tauranga is a larger port with greater capacity. Lucky them. No Aucklander in its right mind wants our port extended, and Ak Council has…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Lordy, I appear to be almost <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/why-i-think-that-auckland-is-getting-scammed/comment-page-1/#comment-446241" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">agreeing with</a> Hooten:</p><p><q>The container terminal should be closed, the land developed and Marsden Point and Tauranga expanded, together with rail links to Auckland.</p><p>The good news is that the Prime Minister now appears to be moving towards this position. See <a href="http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/296948005-NZ-may-have-too-many-ports" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/296948005-NZ-may-have-too-many-ports</a>—Key</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:48:46 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Post at Te Standard picks up on the still-not-online SST story about whose rear the 12% target was <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/why-i-think-that-auckland-is-getting-scammed/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">plucked from</a>.</p><p><q>- The 12% that someone assured the council could be achieved was based purely on cherry picking from specialised ports that bear no relationship to the Ports of Auckland operations.…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:43:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>because the RUCs make them unprofitable</q></p><p>and what more reason for reducing those charges does the govt need?</p>
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						We've discussed the Puhoi-Wellsford lunacy in depth before and I won't resile from ridiculing what seems to be more about faster access to Orewa holiday homes and expanding Auckland's development north in the interests of rapacious property developers than any rational influence on Northland's economy. Beefing up Northport and rail…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The other day, someone from Whangarei described the proposed highway as Northland’s lifeline. If Northland is not allowed a rail connection or a highway, then they are being consigned to years more of being an economic backwater.</q></p><p>I confess, my view on the issue was refined somewhat by driving the…</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Can we not use the term "Holiday Highway" please. Happy for the relative merits of roads versus rail versus roads somewhere else to be discussed but that term, coined by an Aucklander, is so patronising for Northlanders. The other day, someone from Whangarei described the proposed highway as Northland's lifeline.…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:30:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Just been listening to Stephen Franks on the POAL dispute. He seems to regard the impending crushing of the union as a human rights victory on a par with the end of apartheid.
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>not including Mr Joyce's proposed super heavy trucks.</q></p><p>Gossip from the trucking industry has it that no-one is going to use the new super trucks, because the RUCs make them unprofitable.  O.o</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:17:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>From <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/stalemate-in-last-ditch-port-talks-4771250" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a TVNZ news story</a>:</p><p><q>Amid the talks came a claim by the Council of Trade Unions (CTU) that major shipping line Maersk will not be stopping at Ports of Auckland while industrial action continues.</p><p>CTU president Helen Kelly said the ongoing employment dispute had become an international issue.</p><p>“Maersk…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:09:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The relationship between the Port and the Waterfront Auckland development CCO chaired by Bob Harvey would be interesting to hear more about as well.</q></p><p>Apparently Waterfront Auckland's major beef with Hooton's column was his scandalous assumption that they, y'know, worked together.</p><p>Which, lest I too receive a letter from a…</p>
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						The relationship between the Port and the Waterfront Auckland development CCO chaired by Bob Harvey would be interesting to hear more about as well.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:04:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Just got Hooton's “apology” from behind the NBR paywall. Final paragraph:</p><p><q>Interestingly, my column attracted an overwhelmingly positive response. While words like “mafia-like” apparently risk misinterpretation, the fact is  Aucklanders have very good reasons not to trust the council’s un-elected waterfront tsars with custodianship of their harbour, management of billions…</q></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						And there's one aspect that's been seldom touched upon that also happens to be a well-worn busting tactic. The 19th-century American railways robber baron Jay Gould reputedly summed it up best: "I can always hire half the working class to kill the other half." Back in those days, such robber…
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						<p>Those inland transfer ports mean the container wharf does not need to get larger to be able to handle more volume on and off ships. Storing containers and cars on prime waterfront land is ridiculous and wasteful.</p><p>I've heard somewhere over the last month a suggestion to keep Tauranga as…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And I'm not being silly about this but I'm just aware that sometime the obvious answer (closest port) is not the best answer.</q></p><p>I'd agree. The transportation cost might not be the biggest cost, not by a long shot. I don't actually know the answer, but the expensive real estate…</p>
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				<title>llew 40</title>
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						Well .... I certainly don't know anywhere enough about exactly why the Ports finds itself in this position, but I would hesitate to argue that it proves the market model has been found wanting .... the market model seems to be working fine for Tauranga.
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				<title>Peter Martin</title>
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						<p><q> I still think Auckland should have a working port, especially if the alternative is yet more luxury apartments. </q></p><p>A recent article in Salon...'That dock would make a great park. The water view is perfect for a new loft. Will gentrification kill shipping?'</p><p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/on_the_waterfront_the_battle_rages_on/singleton/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/on_the_waterfront_the_battle_rages_on/singleton/</a></p>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>Here's an irrelevant but related joke: they turned the old customs house into a duty free store.</p><p>Only, it's true. That's Auckland forya.</p>
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						There is almost certainly some glide time happening at the port.  I remember chatting to several workers at a POAL Americas Cup function a few years ago who laughed at how "we get paid for sitting around with our thumbs up our arses half the time".  I'm not doubting the…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>What about all the stuff being trucked from Tauranga to and from Auckland?</q></p><p>Port of Tauranga already own and operate MetroPort in South Auckland &ndash; it's linked directly via rail to Tauranga and operates as an "in-Auckland" port for both inbound and outbound (POAL has the same thing at Wiri).…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:26:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p><q>the various ports are trying to cut each other's throats</q></p><p>Exactly. The market model has been tested and shown wanting, yet again. This time, it's for something as seemingly purely commercial as shipping ports.</p><p>Why can't Auckland let Whangarei or Tauranga or whoever wants to run its port do so,…</p>
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						<p>Yeah I've been Sth and noticed those odd buildings and had no clue what ...</p><p>nah too much sarcasm for one day</p><p>The point is "is it more efficient to ship those goods to and from the Auckland port through the heart of the city or more efficient to use…</p>
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						<p>What Bart said<br />But think about it, bulk of NZ population lives in Auckland, all the stuff it uses (apart from food) comes from off shore, dragging it from another port seems........trying to think of the word here......stupid</p>
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						<q>Personally I’d shut down PoAL altogether and move the North Island’s main port to Tauranga. Currently they simply compete with each other, we duplicate the costs for little gain and could use the money from the sale of the land on the waterfront to pay for a harbour crossing/light rail…</q>
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						<p>Well, yeah. You'd notice, if you ever drive south, a whole lot of big sheds where they make and store stuff. These are a remnant of the 20th century and are called "factories" and "warehouses".</p><p>I would guess that they have some need for a port to ship stuff overseas.…</p>
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						<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Old acronym, old problem</a>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>Presumedly it’s somewhere in the middle…</q><br />POA management don't seem the sort to seek a happy middle ground. It probably includes a pro rata management fee :)</p>
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						<p><q>    Why? What is the real figure and what are the assumptions? I’m guessing the median is lower and I’m also guessing it includes an assumption of overtime which is also unreasonable.</p><p>I understand it includes the cost of non-cash remuneration such as health insurance provided by the employer.</q></p><p>Yes the…</p>
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						<p>Perhaps more relevant questions might be<br />How much of what comes into Auckland actually stays in Auckland as opposed to being sent elsewhere<br />and<br />How much of what goes out of Auckland actually comes from Auckland as opposed to being made elsewhere</p>
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						I don't get the question.
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