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Mark Harris

Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:32:29 +1200

Point. ;-)

Sacha

Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:40:00 +1200

Or that Barry Coleman will be their NZ agent.

Mark Harris

Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:35:39 +1200

My prediction is that either DRM on the Kindle will be dead before Xmas, or the Kindle will be.

Christopher Dempsey

Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:45:52 +1200

I suspect that hardware may come to the publishers' rescue, by which I mean that a really good post-Kindle mobile information product could work. Mobile communications services have always been able to sell the contents of their walled gardens, but the experience has largely sucked.

Word. Just back from o'seas…

Robyn Gallagher

Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:04:14 +1200

our crowd was a little intimidated by the studio setting for most of the show. We will work on ways to lessen their inhibitions.

The most uninhibited telly recording I've been to is Back Benches, filmed at the Backbencher pub. So it must be that having lots of politicians around…

Russell Brown

Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:13:13 +1200

MEDIA7 TONIGHT: Barry Colman and Bernard Hickey interviews; Jock Anderson on his PRINZ complaint against Glenda Hughes + more. 9.10pm, TVNZ 7 (Channel 97 Sky)

The recording went pretty well last night, although our crowd was a little intimidated by the studio setting for most of the show. We will…

Sam F

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:11:05 +1200

The point was neatly illustrated today with the DomPost publishing a facsimile of the "wrap-around supplement to The Dominion to mark man's greatest achievement"
16 pages. Content. Oh my, the content. As rich as Whittakers.

Wow, you weren't kidding. Remarkably broad and informed op-ed pieces, and so much more. Also,…

Sacha

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:24:14 +1200

Martin Taylor does not seem to understand that selling "access" is what has fundamentally changed. Old media's position as privileged gatekeeper is not coming back any time soon, though I note Taylor would like to "regulate" for that – which I guess puts him somewhere near the s92 US lackeys…

Russell Brown

Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:56:41 +1200

My old boss at IDG, Martin Taylor, makes the case that Barry Colman isn't as stupid as his critics say.

It's a good read.

Kyle Matthews

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:48:56 +1200

Anyone who is anywhere near a mac gave up on IE several years ago. Latest update we got was July 2003 – 5.2.3.

Which I suspect was a good thing really.

Steve Barnes

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:54:33 +1200

Way back someone said this.

Off topic: I cannot see the video in the post, its just a square with the pic icon, running the latest IE (v8). Any ideas?

A brief search reveals a host of problems with IE with regards to content handling. The only way that the…

Peter Darlington

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:03:31 +1200

I'd love to challenge Barry to a bike race up Parnell Rise...

@Bernard: If you do, make sure it's live blogged :)

Bernard Hickey

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:12:07 +1200

Proud to be cheap and nasty...

We do however take our guests and business partners around the corner for some great espresso at the Dellows cafe on Jervois Rd. That's our meeting room and corporate dining room. Very cheap.

And I ride my bike to work rather than drive the…

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:17:48 +1200

APs and Reuters do in this new world?

I believe that Reuters makes nearly all its revenue from finance professionals paying thousands a month for their market news/data service. The media wire, though a visible public face, is a bit of a sideline, commercially.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:10:49 +1200

Just that he's right that most bloggers are shrieking morons, who don't even notice that they haven't got two facts to rub together, 'cos they're so proud of their huge piles of useless opinion and unfounded speculation.
That's all. :)

And when I'm not the only person who is wondering…

Morgan Nichol

Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:04:22 +1200

And when the NBR is remotely comparable to the Wall Street Journal or The Economist, I'd be confident that the subscription model is going to work. Otherwise, if trad media are undergoing a crisis of viability and authority they've got nobody but themselves to blame.

Oh I don't mean to…

Rob Stowell

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:28:49 +1200

Great David Simon piece Matthew- thanks for linking to that. He has said it before, but the passion is still there.
It's interesting that Simon is just as adamant as Murdoch that content cannot be free (however much it might, sigh, 'want' to be- just as my left testicle wants…

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:50:36 +1200

@Craig- Fair enough. I was commenting more on the fact that TV 3 had to use Cameron Bloody Slater. Other than all the other stuff about him that's well documented, he doesn't even give good quote- which is why lazy hacks go to the commentators in the first place.

David Ritchie

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:53:48 +1200

"I thought by now, I'd be living like George Jetson [from the 1960s space age cartoon series]."

Oh right, *that* George Jetson. I was getting confused there. Thanks for the clarification, DomPost.

Phil Lyth

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:32:48 +1200

Don't suppose they digitised any of this for linkability?

Not that I can see at Stuff/Dom-Post. So I will do my good deed for the day (to quote I/S) and offer to source the supplement for those PASers who email me – see the nice little envelope beside my comment…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:20:21 +1200

Oh, shit. "Perhaps its time for lazy hacks on deadline to develop a few new rentaquotes."

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:19:22 +1200

Btw- just to avoid confusion, I was implying that when it comes to media, Mr Jim Tully is a sage and wise individual, unlike Mr Slater, who is....well....never mind.

And while Jim Tully might be a "sage and wise individual", perhaps some lits time to develop a new rentaquote. OK,…

Jose Barbosa

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:34:58 +1200

Didn't the Herald try subscriptions a while back before returning to free content?

Meanwhile, did anyone hear Mediawatch on Sunday? And does anyone really believe The News of the World is the only British paper that treats privacy with flat out contempt?

According toWensley Clarkson , who was a dirty…

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:13:50 +1200

Btw- just to avoid confusion, I was implying that when it comes to media, Mr Jim Tully is a sage and wise individual, unlike Mr Slater, who is....well....never mind.

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:08:39 +1200

Absolutely Rob- although, given my current employment, of course I would say that. There is something really egalitarian about a good newspaper, specifically because of its role as a journal of record.

Obviously there is a lot of give and take, and as Simon points out, in many cases, the…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:03:21 +1200

Is the elephant in the room that he's absolutely fucking right?
The good is a teeeeeeeny tiny minority of the vast churning oceans of shit that make up the blogosphere.

Morgan: And when the NBR is remotely comparable to the Wall Street Journal or The Economist, I'd be confident that…

Robert van Bakel

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:47:32 +1200

I'm deeply interested in this paper model, versus online model, of news presentation debate, as I'm in China and 'Youtube' has been, well, let us just say, 'normal service will be resumed shortly'. I prefer the grand paper model, for several reasons.

A paper has an address, a physical location,…

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:23:22 +1200

That vid from ABC – is that the smell of denial? At least, from Mr David Simon, of unverified fear. It's the same as the copyright argument – "Change is bad, fear change" "We're not making as much money as we did, so someone must be blamed. It's the damn…

3410

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:03:47 +1200

@ Heather W.

That is cool.

Landing time: approx 08:15 am tomorrow, NZ time.

Heather W.

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:26:50 +1200

The re-enactment website is still counting down to moon landing http://www.wechoosethemoon.org

Jarno van der Linden

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:24:24 +1200

Shockingly, Freeview has a listing of what's on freeview over there.

Sam F

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:05:59 +1200

Nor that of my youth. The point was neatly illustrated today with the DomPost publishing a facsimile of the "wrap-around supplement to The Dominion to mark man's greatest achievement"
16 pages. Content. Oh my, the content. As rich as Whittakers.

Don't suppose they digitised any of this for linkability? Otherwise…

Phil Lyth

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:43:21 +1200

But it won't be your grandfather's newspaper.

Nor that of my youth. The point was neatly illustrated today with the DomPost publishing a facsimile of the "wrap-around supplement to The Dominion to mark man's greatest achievement"

16 pages. Content. Oh my, the content. As rich as Whittakers.

And so different…

Morgan Nichol

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:21:19 +1200

a huge band of amateur, untrained, unqualified bloggers who have swarmed over the internet pouring out columns of unsubstantiated "facts" and hysterical opinion.

Is the elephant in the room that he's absolutely fucking right?

The good is a teeeeeeeny tiny minority of the vast churning oceans of shit that make…

81stcolumn

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:13 +1200

You may now be thinking that if Murdoch could manipulate his digital pages with the same ease with which Amazon can delete 1984 from your kindle, that's a bit scary.

And on a related line of thought. It struck me as strange that the cycle of media is complete when…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:46:07 +1200

Incidentally, does anyone publish the listings for TVNZ 6 and 7. Darned if I've been able to find them anywhere.
I believe TV Guide has them.

TV Guide certainly has them. And, as Phil notes, TVNZ.co.nz. And your Freeview decoder, of course :-)

Sacha

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:44 +1200

What more proof do we need that the business model is unsustainable. :)

Kumara Republic

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:18:30 +1200

We drink instant coffee.

There's cheap & cheerful, and then there's cheap & nasty.

3410

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:14:09 +1200

Will have to break the habit of a lifetime and buy the TV Guide, I suppose.

It's worth it just for the letters to the editor; hilarious!

Gareth Ward

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:06:56 +1200

Also, I wonder how the APs and Reuters do in this new world? That source-journalism continues to be necessary, I just wonder if the newspaper folk are the middle men aggregators that they claim to despise?
Source-journalism plus online-whatever-the-hell-flavour-you'd-like-it-opinioned-in seems like a leaner model.

Judy Callingham

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:04:59 +1200

Thanks for those listings. Will have to break the habit of a lifetime and buy the TV Guide, I suppose. I need hard copy!!

Gareth Ward

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:03:58 +1200

We drink instant coffee.
Well, fuck that

He's removing his very humanity just to survive in new-world journalism.

Andrew C

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:20:19 +1200

Off topic: I cannot see the video in the post, its just a square with the pic icon, running the latest IE (v8). Any ideas?

Mark Harris

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:10:24 +1200

That vid from ABC – is that the smell of denial? At least, from Mr David Simon, of unverified fear. It's the same as the copyright argument – "Change is bad, fear change" "We're not making as much money as we did, so someone must be blamed. It's the damn…

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:09:44 +1200

Oh, and I forgot this from Bernard's bit on keeping costs "brutally low":

We drink instant coffee.

Well, fuck that. Where's Murdoch? I'm signing up for the project.

(Perhaps I can help Bernard there ...)

3410

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:56:59 +1200

That sounds like the end of a sci-fi movie.

Sure, it's unexpected, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it Science fiction !

Phil Lyth

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:47:23 +1200

surprisingly there is also this

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:46:23 +1200

3410 knew.

That sounds like the end of a sci-fi movie.

Kyle Matthews

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:18:23 +1200

Holy crap. Who knew?

Ooh me! Pick me!

3410 knew.

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:59:42 +1200

See here.

Holy crap. Who knew?

3410

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:54:59 +1200

does anyone publish the listings for TVNZ 6 and 7?

See here.

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:43:27 +1200

Incidentally, does anyone publish the listings for TVNZ 6 and 7. Darned if I've been able to find them anywhere.
I feel a campaign to the Listener coming on.

The listings have been subject to an unfathomable commercial dispute between TVNZ and APN since the channels launched. But I believe…

Judy Callingham

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:37:01 +1200

Great to see that TVNZ7 is now on Sky (Channel 97). Must have happened while we were overseas. Will be watching on Wednesday night.

Incidentally, does anyone publish the listings for TVNZ 6 and 7. Darned if I've been able to find them anywhere.

I feel a campaign to the…

Paul Litterick

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:04:12 +1200

They are going to charge for satire.

That should work.

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:55:00 +1200

The ABC's recent report on the future of newspapers (which briefly mentions NZ) is interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYnax3hAmJg

Russell Brown

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:34:34 +1200

All ok to take a bunch of my students into the bowels of TVNZ on Aug 5, for a Media 7 record?

Yes.

Flying to Wellington tomorrow for the funeral for Rosie Jackson, which will be rather sad, A week or more on, it still is hard to take.

My…

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:26:42 +1200

Good thoughts here, Russell. They resonate with the paper I have written for The Future of Journalism conference in Cardiff later this year.

All ok to take a bunch of my students into the bowels of TVNZ on Aug 5, for a Media 7 record?

Flying to Wellington tomorrow for…

Public Address

Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:26:42 +1200

Discussion from blog post.