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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Guilty 2: Taito Philip Field</title>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						We have one auditioning for the job..
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes but... a "real" leader wouldn't see that as an obstacle.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed.  Doesn't the US have a Prime Minister?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:24:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>  If a candidate was English, that wouldn't affect my vote &ndash; although if they went under the name of The Honourable Montague Smyth-Smithson-Smithe, Hereditary Margrave of Little Funtingdon that would probably count against.</blockquote>Or if his name were Bill.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:02:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But you are aware that Bill Clinton couldn't run in 2000 because of term limits;</p></blockquote><p>Yes but... a "real" leader wouldn't see that as an obstacle.<br />;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:58:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If a candidate was English, that wouldn't affect my vote &ndash; although if they went under the name of The Honourable Montague Smyth-Smithson-Smithe, Hereditary Margrave of Little Funtingdon that would probably count against.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, you see &ndash; personally, if I had a chance to vote for the heriditary [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Haden-Guest|Baron Haden-Guest…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:55:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's almost a form of racism to insist that we must have an MP that "represents" an ethnic group</p></blockquote><p>Wouldn't go that far, Rich, but it certainly seems to speak to a certain laziness in the media-political complex. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:48:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						If you are the only MP ever from a particular population group, the pressure to "represent" them seems understandable. Wealthy white men, not so much.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:45:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>If Prime Ministers sacked their Ministers the moment a cloud began to gather, they'd have a revolving door and a cabinet filled with the surviving nonentities. There'd be a feeding frenzy anytime someone suggested that Minister X had queuejumped in Woolworths sometime in '92.</p><p>However, I'd question why Taito Philip…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:39:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Clinton would, more than likely, still be president. Think about it.</p></blockquote><p>No GW Bush, No Afghan or Iraq wars, maybe no bank crash. Not a bad idea.</p><p>But you are aware that Bill Clinton couldn't run in 2000 because of term limits; he was *acquitted* by the Senate?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:28:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						If you haven't see it already, Tapu Misa <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10589679" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">calls bullshit (again)</a> on the 'Pacific Way' defence. (Compare and contrast to this week's  more than usually strained effort at wilful perversity by Rosemary McLeod in the SST &mdash; not online, yet.)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:23:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote>Scotty: I've got a sneaking suspicion Ingram could have racked in a damn sight more in nine months of billable hours as a QC specializing in commercial law &mdash; and without the gallons of virtual froth spat in his direction by both wings of the wingnutter-tariat. Also, if he was…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:59:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I agree. He's hardly going to get any time off for remorse.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:50:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and be sent to Coventry (or whatever the Aotearoian equivelent is, Timaru?)</p></blockquote><p>Shades of an old Fifties radio skit I heard once about a British couple moving into a new house &ndash; naturally the place needed a suitable name, but nothing seemed to fit. In desperation the lady of the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and be sent to Coventry (or whatever the Aotearoian equivelent is, Timaru?)</p></blockquote><p>I'm hoping that in Field's case, "the Aotearoian eqivalent" will be the full stretch of jail time &mdash; seven years, I believe.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:17:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And yet I'm sure Ingram found some consolation in the $479K he charged.</p></blockquote><p>Scotty: I've got a sneaking suspicion Ingram could have racked in a damn sight more in nine months of billable hours as a QC specializing in commercial law &mdash; and without the gallons of virtual froth spat…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:15:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thanks, Islander.
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						Having mana doesnt necessarily mean you have to be humble &ndash; or arrogant. I've met people of great mana who were (and are) humble, kind, and considerate whoever they're with, and I've met a couple who were downright haughty in public (and thoroughly charming when not.) I've also met one…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:20:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>@Sacha.<br />Ferzactley.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Self-assurance is one thing but being a tosser crosses cultures.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> I always understood mana to include humility.</blockquote>What I understood from his explanation was that it didn't, but if you didn't retain the respect of your people then you would be regarded as being arrogant (can't remember the right expression, help?) and be sent to Coventry (or whatever the Aotearoian equivelent…
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						I always understood mana to include humility.
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<em><blockquote> |There was no transparency in the decision to dump Field either.</blockquote></em><blockquote>At least when Field was shifted quietly out the back door we had a basic understanding of the reason why, even if it was not absolutely transparent. With Worth we've heard lots of rumours, but still have no clear…</blockquote>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Excuse the typos and spelling. I seem to be a little foggy today.<br />;-)</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> the one time I met him, in the early 90s, he struck me as a remarkably arrogant man.</blockquote>The concept of Mana, as  explained to me by the late Matiu Rata, touched on this point. I can't quote directly because I didn't write it down but irc a simple explaination was…
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						The thing is, not for the first time has nickle and diming corruption been vigorously dealt with, whilst no one is asking if it amounts to corrupt practice to buy a political parties <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/the-price-of-a-policy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">climate change policy</a>.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:19:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We all now know that some normalised Pacific Island practices are &ndash; rightly &ndash; judged as corrupt in this country.</p></blockquote><p>I wonder if it actually might not have been so bad for Field without all the obstruction of justice stuff. You could argue custom on the "help" and subsequent recompense,…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> And yet I'm sure Ingram found some consolation in the $479K he charged.</blockquote> Now, that is real Class.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> We all now know that some normalised Pacific Island practices are &ndash; rightly &ndash; judged as corrupt in this country.</blockquote>Valid point, one I have been espousing since day one. This had every opportunity to become a "Racist" issue, or more correctly, a "culturalist" issue. Had these Pacific Island norms been…
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Personally, I suspect the poor bastard isn't going to be taking any more calls from the Beehive. :)</p></blockquote><p>And yet I'm sure Ingram found some consolation in the $479K he charged.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not sure that's limited to any particular end of the political spectrum either:</p></blockquote><p>No it isn't &mdash; and while I'm not holding my breath waiting, Noel Ingram is owed apologies after being accused of &mdash; depending on which direction the froth was coming from &mdash; drawing things out to…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And, personally, what really pissed me off was the people who ran a frankly disgraceful play of the racist card (you bigots just don't understand the "Pacific way" of doing things).</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure that's limited to any particular end of the political spectrum <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/law-expert-expects-long-jail-term-field-2889311" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">either</a>:</p><blockquote><p>However there has also been…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The likes of DPF are now feigning righteous indignation</p></blockquote><p>At the moment, I think DPF is rather pissed off about being accused by The Standard of fabricating a quote &mdash; and I don't blame him, but that's by the bye.</p><p>And, personally, what really pissed me off was the people…</p>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There was no transparency in the decision to dump Field either.</p></blockquote><p>At least when Field was shifted quietly out the back door we had a basic understanding of the reason why, even if it was not absolutely transparent. With Worth we've heard lots of rumours, but still have no clear…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>TomS<br />You are doing a great job of diversion Tom, keep it up<br />Quick look over here........</p><p>Meanwhile any person who thought Labour was for the small man can...</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						In the light of the self-righteous gloating by the white bread over at kiwiblog at the the Philip Field verdict, I give you this story via Hot Topic. It raises interesting questions about what constitutes "corruption." We all now know that some normalised Pacific Island practices are &ndash; rightly -…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The likes of DPF are now feigning righteous indignation, which doesn't surprise but isn't justified. At least there was an enquiry over Field's behaviour. How about Richard Worth's? I'm not suggesting Worth's done anything criminal. But there was no transparency in the decision to dump Worth.</p></blockquote><p>There was no transparency…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Lew over at kiwipolitico has a good perspective, excising the quote of the day from kiwiblog so the rest of us don't have wade through the gloating racist dross to find the one interesting nugget.
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<p>I agree. Ask around any family group after a member has been found guilty, and you'll find at least one juicy quote or soundbite.</p><p>I don't think Labour's guilty of anything other than political expediency in not dumping Field immediately. They no doubt hoped there was nothing to the allegations…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This morning's Herald article on the Field family's reaction made me cringe</p></blockquote><p>Depressing but not surprising, don't you think?  Still, one might think if Labour was running a vast white conspiracy to do the man in, Noel Ingram wouldn't have been hobbled from the start (and found what was supposed…</p>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<p>This morning's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10588712" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald</a> article on the Field family's reaction made me cringe:</p><blockquote><p>"We were good to them, we let them stay and look what they have done," she said.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, look at all the tiling work they have done. Isn't it fabulous?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						No, I didn't do that deliberately..
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Admirably quick response, but you might want to do some proofreading, David, to maintian your usual standards.
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				<title>DPF</title>
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						<p>My take on it is here &ndash; <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/fields_guilt_and_labours_shame.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/fields_guilt_and_labours_shame.html</a></p><p>Dr Cullen especially should be feeling very very sorry about the comments he made after the Ingram report came out.</p>
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				<title>David Slack</title>
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						<p>A jury in the long running Taito Phillip Field trial has found him guilty of most of the corruption and obstruction charges laid against him.</p><p>He has been found guilty of eleven corruption charges and not guilty of one other corruption charge.</p><p>The former MP was also convicted of 26…</p>
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