Art is because I say so and that is what really matters.

BAH ...pomo relativism. Theres nothing more pathetic than a junkie justifying an addiction.

accounts of “being in the zone” or “flow” and you get the sense that our artists and sportsfolk can and sometimes do occupy the same…

I wonder how many fans saw some passion and expression today from Wade McKinnon...…

Valerie did all those things in the pursuit of hurling a metal object further than anyone else and thereby winning a competition. Sport, not Art.
Beatrice, on the other hand, did something else – something that seemed quite disconnected with the purpose of her event and left sports reporters open-mouthed…

Regarding the cursed question of how to define art, I always say that art is defined as "something that is designed or created to be exhibited for the viewing pleasure of others".

Like a well rehearsed backline move that befuddles the defence and results in a try under the sticks…

What Neko Case video? Where? (despite owning all her albums I've yet to see a video...except her live in Texas dvd)

Well a bunch of live clips, but only one music video (but I'm not really a fan of the song) I'm aware of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qclxx4uO0ac

Fox Confessor Brings the Flood…

To Paul Litterick, anyone who can post a Neko Case video, has already proved his worth as a blogeur.

What Neko Case video? Where? (despite owning all her albums I've yet to see a video...except her live in Texas dvd)

Haydn, even for a philistine as myself,this is a marvelous…

...I got nothing, that is pretty awesome.

Second that. Except I should say third I guess.

Compare Picasso’s Guernica with Jesse Owens performances at the 1936 Olympics, you cannot separate these actions from the politics and complexity that surrounded them. Each in its own way was beautiful, profound, historical and dare I say it misunderstood at times.

Mr/Ms 81, that is amongst the most beautiful things…

Depends on whether Art is solely in the eye of the beholder, or the intent of the performer counts for something.

I can get with that and I would qualify it with this misquote from someone whom I can’t fully recall.

Art…

Some call tragedy as fictionalised human sacrifice; we might suggest that drama and gladiatorial combat share something too. Not that I've seen the latter, but what I'm heading for is that this would also apply to sport.

Of course that doesn't necessarily, logically, mean they're all…

Art (capital A): An abstraction of actual experience that seeks to present some truth about that experience.

Sport: An actual experience.

art (little a): A sly little word that bends to fit context. Strip off its black turtleneck and it just means…

Sport is so much more, sport is the human interaction. Sport is variable, unscripted and always surprising. As such it is profoundly more alive than any mere art.

ROTFLOL
Winner takes all* slurp*

Art is an order of magnitude less profound than sport. To classify sport as art is to…

Sport is not art, cos as the esteemed Dr Litterick says, it is not intended to be so.

Not yet a Dr but it is nice to see it in writing; not likely to be a Dr if I spend too much time on forums as compelling as this one.

Yes,…

Paul said comedy wasn't art

Paul L not Paul R, just to clarify

Sport is not art, cos as the esteemed Dr Litterick says, it is not intended to be so.

Yes, but (with all due respect) Paul said comedy wasn't art. And if comedy isn't art then I'm really not sure what is.

but the patterns tend to be similar game to…

Art is scripted, controlled and predetermined at the behest of the artist. Art is like wall paper, you choose the pattern you want to your preference. Art at its absolute best is can be a catalyst around which human interaction may occur.

Come off it Angus, art is different for…

Art is scripted, controlled and predetermined at the behest of the artist. Art is like wall paper, you choose the pattern you want to your preference. Art at its absolute best…

After all, the medium of film has been used for many things besides art cinema: comedies, westerns, instruction films etc

What?

Comedy isn't art now?

...I'd say the art arises from the person doing the framing rather than the original thing.

Exactly. Sport is now packaged and delivered as entertainment, with an eye to the 'viewing pleasure of others'. Sometimes that deliberately veers into the art world. But the game itself is just a game.…

And yet I promise you I can get a lot more people to watch Ronaldinho perform than Jackson Pollock. Fancy.

Shouldn't be any trouble seeing as Pollock's dead. ;)

I said "exhibiting" not "performing". I agree with you, however. Fitba is popular around the world through all socio-economic classes. Art,…

Two words: Professional Wrestling.

in such a case I'd say the art arises from the person doing the framing rather than the original thing.

Totally, like Paul said about trees (above). A pretty photo of sport doesn't make the sport into art, just the picture.

So if it is intention, does that mean the…

something that is designed or created to be exhibited for the viewing pleasure of others

Also when I watch sport I marvel at the physical ability of the athlete. Their ability to control their body and/or apparatus with precision. I'm doing…

As far academic credentials go, if you have a look you may find the 'performance' field has gotten quite broad. I recall my theatre lecturer remarking that some journals were as likely to include papers on the logistics of stadium events (including sporting) a…

I move in both circles and the very notion is just spastic to the nth degree.

Is what now?

Sport is a competitive event, in which people seek to achieve the fastest or most of something...

I always say that art is defined as "something that is designed or created…

I would hope that someone would come along and say "no, fuck off, sport is not art".

Well, y'know, if I must...

Is sport art? Don't be so bloody silly. I move in both circles and the very notion is just spastic to the nth degree.

I was at an…

Off the top of my head a lot of what you mention would be mroe closely analagous to 'craft' rather…

can art be like sport too? the set pieces, the rules, the structures of play, yes they do have elements of creativity and spirit about them that liken them to art, however bound by the same over-riding goal: a result and the…

Cut me some slack dude, I had a flu :)

You had flu and you spent time thinking "when is sport art?". *peers*

Danny Lee? Going to be NZ's best ever golfer, or just flash in the pan kids stuff?

Not sure Danny Lee will be the best NZ golfer. More likely to be the best golfer Korea ever had (if they let him on the US tour).

I liked the Waikato jibe…

Wot, no analysis of the points table of the tri-nations with predictions for the ...

What sort of pansy-arsed 'sport/art' sports blog is this anyway? Man...

Cut me some slack dude, I had a flu :)

Depends on whether Art is solely in the eye of the beholder, or the intent of the performer counts for something.

I quite agree. Though I think the Usain Bolt is a good example of athlete as artist.

World records and medals seemed to be second to him enjoying running…

No, not the wrong place at all. I would hope that someone would come along and say "no, fuck off, sport is not art".

Wot, no analysis of the points table of the tri-nations with predictions for the weekend and thoughts on what needs to happen for the ABs to…

On the one hand, the great events can occasionally reach such a level of high drama that the whole thing becomes more than the sum of it's sporting parts. The one that stands out for me in recent…

Kapa haka competitions? Dance offs? People competing to be more artistic than each other, while retaining technical skill.

Dancing with the Stars...? Neither art nor sport. Merely spectacle.

I only stated that sports/games as we understand them are not art. If you partake in artistic activities for competitive purposes, you…

To me, sports/games cannot be art because they involve direct competition.

Kapa haka competitions? Dance offs? People competing to be more artistic than each other, while retaining technical skill.

*eyes dart around the room*
thinks......am I in the wrong place
*takes a long pull on a tumbler of vodka martini*

…

What if he runs in an art gallery?

Thanks Ren, I wanted to find a link for that

What we call sports are actually activities the sporting crowd would refer to as games.

Games…

If a man runs the 100m in 9.69 seconds is that art? What if he does it in front of an audience?

What if he runs in an art gallery?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiZgrIpbcA

Sure if you sports guys want the now debased form of communal fun and exercise to now be considered art, hey go ahead.

But, how about, if you want…

Two factors to consider: the act of creation and intent.

that definition makes more sense.

Shane Warne’s flipper

his what?

And if Warne’s flipper is not enough, check out the first 3 minutes of the 1974 FIFA World Cup final.

youtube link?

rugby, although have set pieces, has great scope for creative actions in open running play.

There is arguably just as much scope for creativity at the lineout or in the front row of a scrum; certainly, there is more scope for creativity at the breakdown.

Two factors to consider: the act of creation and intent.

In many sports there is limited scope for creativity. Aside from variations of regulating body function that much of an audience wouldn't noticea 200 metre race doesn't allow…

The delicate art of making a yacht go fast could…