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Barry -

Tue, 13 Sept 2016 13:14:21 +1200

Surely a “formal caution” is a yellow card? In a rugby game that is 10 minutes in the sin bin (or up to full time). Would the next offence be a red card and being banned for a season?

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 13 Sept 2016 11:08:18 +1200

Strewth to 'power'...
Does Mike Hosking think only men are qualified to talk about rugby league?
You'd be forgiven for thinking that after a radio segment this morning which caused a brief walkout by Newstalk ZB newsreader Bernardine Oliver-Kerby from an otherwise all-male panel debating the future of the…

nzlemming

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 18:32:37 +1200

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201815599/steve-tew-says-chiefs-investigation-was-flawed

Hmm. John says that at the outset, and plays a recording of him questioning Tew earlier in the afternoon. I dunno.

nzlemming

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 18:14:40 +1200

From that NewsHub link
A NZR spokesperson says they weren't aware Laura was prepared to speak to them and they had tried to make contact with her through the police. They said they assumed a Newshub journalist would not disclose their source.

Is it just me, or is that self…

Bart Janssen

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 16:00:17 +1200

I'm sorry but I don't think a competition point is a suitable punishment. And much as I am in favour of donations to women's refuge I don't think money can negate the crime. Neither of those things actually acknowledges the harm done.

A woman was abused and assaulted. I think…

Euan Mason

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 15:04:59 +1200

Who were the “independent” witnesses who claimed that the stripper was not groped by Chiefs players?

As if there was anyone there who was not connected to them. #pffft

Agreed. I’m amazed that NZR thought they could get away with this bankrupt exercise, but maybe they thought that rugby gods…

izogi

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 09:03:11 +1200

Also as RNZ has pointed out this morning, some of the allegations of Scarlette were never actually aired by media.

Consequently if NZR's lawyer didn't even interview her until after everyone else, it's hardly possible they could have quizzed other witnesses about all of the allegations. If it were not…

Hadyn Green

Fri, 09 Sept 2016 08:44:22 +1200

Update: NZR got back to me and said the formal citation “goes on their record – so is counted if anything similar happens again”. I have asked what ‘similar’ means

Bevan

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 22:52:50 +1200

They might call themselves the Chiefs, but they sure don't act like it ..

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 20:19:59 +1200

Jesus.

Laura, the woman who came forward to say she'd suffered similar treatment to Scarlette at the Chiefs' function last year asked to speak to the internal inquiry and was ignored.

Sacha

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 18:36:08 +1200

Who were the “independent” witnesses who claimed that the stripper was not groped by Chiefs players?

As if there was anyone there who was not connected to them. #pffft

Sacha

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 18:33:56 +1200

Good luck getting female-focused sponsorship like My Food Bag for unrepentant thugby, writes Dita De Boni.

Euan Mason

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 16:14:30 +1200

Who were the “independent” witnesses who claimed that the stripper was not groped by Chiefs players? In what sense were they “independent”? Did they observe her the entire time? Why would a professional stripper tell stories about groping if it did not happen? She would have everything to lose by…

linger

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 13:14:22 +1200

Deciding not to act is an action.Which was my point, too. There wouldn't be a need for after-the-fact "collective responsibility" PR (extending well beyond those present, which I think was your criticism of it?), or "not like us" messaging, if anyone had just sent a more timely "Don't be a…

izogi

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 13:07:41 +1200

“Collective responsibility” doesn’t mean they all actively participated – more that nobody in the room spoke out and stopped this.

Yah. It's the refined term for "we'll all band together and protect each other so they can't assume any of us were clearly responsible". But I suppose they're "officially" talking…

simon g

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 12:19:12 +1200

Many of the comments on this Stuff piece make for unpleasant reading, but they also illustrate why the rugby authorities have acted as they have. In short, they believe they know their audience:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/84023421/the-chiefs-stripper-saga-is-over-but-what-next-for-scarlette

As with all matters of spin (political, corporate, etc), the "shut down, move on" tactic relies…

Hadyn Green

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 11:54:15 +1200

“Collective responsibility” doesn’t mean they all actively participated – more that nobody in the room spoke out and stopped this.

By taking inaction they all did something. Deciding not to act is an action.

linger

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 10:44:29 +1200

“Collective responsibility” doesn’t mean they all actively participated – more that nobody in the room spoke out and stopped this.

Hadyn Green

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 08:53:10 +1200

The Chiefs’ self-serving, point-avoiding statement.

“the players have collectively accepted responsibility” – why? There are some big name players in the Chiefs who can, quite rightly, say they don’t want to be part of this. Sam Cane, Sonny Bill Williams, Brodie Retallick all now have a “black mark” on their…

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 08:17:28 +1200

The Chiefs' self-serving, point-avoiding statement.

Russell Brown

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 08:16:48 +1200

Is that actually true? All I’ve noticed reported directly, and in the press conference, is the word “unsubstantiated” or similar. To me there’s a significant difference between “unsubstantiated” and “contradicted”.

Yes, that distinction was made clear on Morning Report today. The whole thing reeks.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 07:12:29 +1200

difference between “unsubstantiated” and “contradicted”.
I suspect the problem also lies with the apparent 'transubstantiation' that occurs when immature dickheads are elevated to Super Rugby franchises...

izogi

Thu, 08 Sept 2016 06:45:25 +1200

This morning, RNZ seems to be reporting "the New Zealand Rugby said those claims were contradicted by independent witnesses not connected to the team".

Is that actually true? All I've noticed reported directly, and in the press conference, is the word "unsubstantiated" or similar. To me there's a significant difference…

Russell Brown

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 19:42:44 +1200

John Campbell conducted a very good interview with NZ Rugby CEO Steve Tew, from which Tew did not emerge well.

Ben Cragg

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 18:53:46 +1200

It maddens me that this seems to have been reduced to "they shouldn't have hired a stripper" and "how else would you expect them to behave". They should be able to hire a stripper, and treat them like a human being. I see nothing wrong with them hiring a stripper…

Moz

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 17:10:40 +1200

team hiring the stripper

Kinda saddens me that she still has to talk about all the amazing non-stripping things strippers do, in the hope that more people might agree that stripping is a job people do. Perhaps if those people also agreed that playing sport is also a job people…

simon g

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 16:40:27 +1200

I have a vague memory of Auckland or the Blues having some connection or appeal alongside Women's Refuge in the 1990's. Google hasn't helped, as it was back in the Lost Time before t'internet.

Hadyn Green

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 16:24:01 +1200

When New Zealanders realise that David Pocock is a better man than any of the All Blacks

Deborah

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 16:19:52 +1200

Because in New Zealand two things are at the top of the stats: rugby and domestic violence. This is NZR’s chance to start defeating one with the other.

We will know that the wider New Zealand community is starting to treat domestic violence as serious crime when an All Blacks…

Public Address

Wed, 07 Sept 2016 16:19:51 +1200

Discussion from blog post.