The Cuba Street carnival is on every two years... Its not a matter of one vs the other, but the Cuba street carnival will run again. The rugby…

I do hope he stands for the Auckland Mayoralty

Gee thanks – not like we have enough problems already. Swap you for Rodney Hide?

His 1st move was to attacked the old and poor, by raising CCC-Housing rents. This was reversed by the Court. CCC has the 2nd largest assisted housing after Housing NZ.

Side-show has lost alot of the Blue & Blue Rinse support…

-I have a revered old old family receit for "dolphin pie" (and we aint talking mahimahi here. Or a French princeling.)
It may resolve argument...

Sod the T-shirts, I'm holding out for the PAS cookbook.

Apart from that, it's all the crowd control and enforcement that send the costs up.

Which was a sizeable factor in Montreal 76's cost overruns, but an understandable one after the tragedies of the Munich '72 Massacre.

1. price-gouging
2. bureaucrats.

both of which this council seems to be very, very good at.

Basically, the carnival needs to provide organisation (telling people where to go for the parade) and stages for the bands. None of that is very expensive, especially if you get volunteers to help out.…

Carnival's fate 'not council's fault':

She also retracted the council's earlier suggestion that Mr Morley-Hall had requested $500,000 for next year's carnival.

Instead, she said that no formal request for funding had…

But the council insist on cones, bouncers, fences around any area where kids might come into contact with the Evil Drink, etc.

Cost of putting on Carnival: $50k
Cost of nanny state: $450k

This carnival has run successfully previously with some council funding. It would be pretty presumptuous to say…

As an aside how much was the Hero Parade costing to put on if anybody can remember?

Not much. I attended an Auckland City Council meeting in the newly opened Town Hall in the late 90s, where the agenda item was how much was Council going to support the Hero…

What is this trust exactly? Is it the same as the old Carnival Collective? What is the role of Chris MH, and of the other people quoted? Why are there such big discrepancies…

chris is one, and he's the man with the vision and who i thought was the voice and force of the carnival

however now there is this new uber trust to look after carnival and fringe and becuase…

If you just announced the roads were closed and anyone trying to drive them would be blocked by 150,000…

especially if chris is still wanting to stage it (as suggested by his required $500k)?

all a bit strange really. i say less council, more party.

soooo... anyone believe her?

Any particular reason not to, except that she's an evil Tory bitch?

OTOH... has the Dominion Post ever been right about anything?

If Phil Kitchen wasn't in the habit of getting things right, he'd have put every paper he'd have single-handedly destroyed the media in this…

Having been involved with The Gathering for a few years by that point I knew how much effort, blood, sweat and tears it took to create a "happening" out of nothing…

Maybe if it didn't consist of council officers with a middle-class, suburbanite agenda, a mayor with a middle-class, suburbanite agenda, and a couple of allegedly Green councillors who've been "assimilated" into the "constructive" side of council, then we wouldn't.

We won't be funding Carnival next year. But we're happy to spend $75k on setting up a pointless bureaucracy that will totally fail to hold a carnival.
Way to go.

Then I ask, is that the fault of the council or the trust?

As for the DomPost, is there ever…

For those not wishing to read the full version, I have a summary.

We won't be funding Carnival next year. But we're happy to spend $75k on setting up a pointless bureaucracy that will totally fail to hold a carnival.

Way to go.

OTOH... has the Dominion Post ever been right about anything?

Fair call.

I’m just amazed they failed to bring Seripisos into the story somehow

Cuba Street Carnival – clarification
Wellington Mayor Kerry Prendergast has denied as “absolutely untrue” reports that the 2011 Cuba St Carnival has been cancelled because the Council is not committed to funding it and is spending money on the Rugby World Cup instead.

The Council has been working with the…

She runs Wellington as a shopping mall for her suburban constituency.

Who are a lot more into rugby than half-naked samba dancers. Yup, we could afford a carnival, rugby (though the rugby is happening anyway, charging $$$ a ticket and making fucktonnes of money for…

but when my employees are spraying around corporate welfare — and too often doing it without proper scrutiny or due process — I've got a very big problem indeed.

Yes it's a problem. It's actually quite well known; rush-of-blood-to-the-headitis is its name. Happens every time when something 'big' and 'worldclass'…

However, Mayor Kerry Prendergast says the council has been in talks about creating an umbrella organisation to run both the Cuba Street Carnival and the Fringe Festival.

@Giovanni: I meant it sounded more like the organiser's…

"Organisers of the Cuba Sreet Carnival in Wellington claim Wellington City Council will no longer fund it because they won't hold the street party during the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

However, the council says that's not the case and it has not yet been formally asked for…

here's the thing sponsorship from anywhere at…

that said, i stand by the youtube link above.

From what I understand it might be the other way around.

It's the Dominion's version as reported by the council? Seriously, I don't understand.

Yes, except this is the council's version as reported by the Dominion Post. Two things that make me a bit skeptic.

From what I understand it might be the other way around.

i'm suspicious that the organisers were lacking sponsorship, and went to the council with cap in hand.

Actually…

things are pretty tough here in the GFC.

unless you're spending tax on bullshit.

For whatever reason, the carnival organisers decided they needed more than twice the amount of money from the…

it'll be glad-hand-a-rama in the city council for those weeks – and who'll that benefit? not wee ratepaying me.

meanwhile, no shows…

Cuba Street Carnival – CCC.

Your posts make much more sense now that I know you're not talking about the Christchurch City Council!

Not to mention facilities such as public toilets

party central for those in the the essentially upright position.

This is not really working is it. Oh well!!

And Cuba St for that matter

what?

you would think that the CCC was the business-as-usual activity and the RWC would be some kind of "exception" funding, but apparently we're all so swept up in seeing minnows playing at the cake tin that we we should all just STFU.

you can't even argue "it brings $$ into…

incantation that compels everyone to stop asking uppity questions about what the hell they're doing with public money

this is the thing, innit?

you would think that the CCC was the business-as-usual activity and the RWC would be some kind of "exception" funding, but apparently we're all so swept up…

Isn't the last line of the article that Hadyn linked to just adorable?

Joe Lindsay, trombonist for Fat Freddy's Drop, which played some of the earliest carnivals, said the cancellation was a "stink buzz" as the carnival was "choice".

How nice…

It's also about art v public libraries, etc. Why is the Cuba carnival more important than books for all?

Not to mention facilities such as public toilets.

The erection of those horrid photo-frames on Courtenay Place – well, not so much the frames, but what they have been filled with…

It's going to be a long year-and-a-bit if people spend it complaining about the Rugby World Cup. It's weird how reflexively negative some of my friends are about it.

Russell: I'm in a state of Zen-like indifference about the Rugby World Cup itself. (And if that makes me a bad…

LOLnui.

And don't forget, the WCC are still backing…

If it's not going to the Cuba Street carnival where is it going? The RWC is a good assumption.

my suspicion is the WCC is concerned about cost-blow-out for the RWC. a ciy councillor used to be my land-lady and she indicated pretty clearly that rates would be increasing in the near future to fund "stuff".

In much the same way every ratepayer in Auckland city is paying an…

but $3m for artistic paving seems somewhat rich. Nice work if you can get it. Would be good to see the concept, but can't find any reference to it, apart from briefly in AkCity meeting minutes.

I don't have actual numbers, but the actual art work component would cost around…

Why is the Cuba carnival more important than books for all?

because at the CCC, people walk around in the nude.

my suspicion is the WCC is concerned about cost-blow-out for the RWC. a ciy councillor used to be my land-lady and she indicated pretty clearly that rates would be…

And in that sense, it's an easy target for blame in this case.

But the proposed fugly statue doesn't have any…

So, $350,000 for an artwork celebrating sport? It is about art v sport. But it's not art or sport that started the argument, is it, publicly elected officials?

If it really is about a statue vs a carnival, then I suspect it's about art vs art (ignoring an earlier thread).…

Though, to be fair, $3m of that is for two Billy Apple in situ artworks.

I can think of a lot more art (in quantity) and a lot better artists (in quality) (IMhO) than B Apple to spend $3m on. And possibly better places for it to be.

That's a…

as well as $100,000 for a cup village.

Some Mad Hatters’ Tea Party theme?

In mind it is too soon to cast this as carnival vs anything without more information about how much money is going elsewhere.

And what the extra $300,000 was for. I think it can be presented as Event A and Event B. Event A has $450k against it and Event…

Mmmm, dolphin pie.

戴きます!

pastry versus dolphins ... you can have both.

Mmmm, dolphin pie.

In mind it is too soon to…

But I do think RWC 2011 could potentially end up as our Montreal '76. An ego trip that took 30 years to break even.

So, $350,000 for an artwork celebrating sport? It is about art v sport.

It's also about art v public libraries, etc. Why is the Cuba carnival more important than books for all?

Though, to be fair, $3m of that is for two Billy Apple in situ artworks.

I found the DomPost article very frustrating. Why did the carnival organisers want more? What does the council typically spend…

so to ask for an extra $300k in that same year might have been excessive.

True, although it is an 'off' year for the NZ Arts Festival, which usually frees up a few council funds... so where are they going?

So, $350,000 for an artwork celebrating sport? It is about art v sport. But it's not art or sport that started the argument, is it, publicly elected officials?

But with no extra information, when was the Carnival bid for extra money put in? It would be unusual to think that…

So, $350,000 for an artwork celebrating sport? It…

And I certainly remember being rubbished for suggesting…