Public Address | Cafe | Envirologue: The Cry of the Indignados – Forcing Change https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340225#post340225 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340225#post340225 The "tweaked capitalism" version of most of that involves relatively few steps.

1) Externalities must be taxed, and very heavily, such that not having any is always profitable. Which is to say, always clean up your own mess, or pay much more than is needed for someone else to at…

]]> Sun, 10 May 2015 17:55:14 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340073#post340073 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340073#post340073 Good article in the main, but boy, am I amazingly tired of 3D printers being held up as a liberating force. They do not scale, yet. What they can make is limited (although some people have great ideas).

But even when their limits are solved, I fail to see how…

]]> Fri, 08 May 2015 02:24:54 +1200 Ross Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340026#post340026 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=340026#post340026 Thu, 07 May 2015 14:13:46 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339971#post339971 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339971#post339971 I think in the US anyway – this is the lady who will make the difference;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-05/why-elizabeth-warren-makes-wall-street-tremble

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 21:56:21 +1200 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339966#post339966 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339966#post339966 Wed, 06 May 2015 21:06:11 +1200 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339958#post339958 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339958#post339958 where they know only too well what it's like to be invaded, to be oppressed, to be violated.
I think you'll find that they did quite a lot of that themselves. You just have to delve further back in history.
insular, parochial, but what we mistake for arrogance is just…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 20:19:34 +1200 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339953#post339953 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339953#post339953 I despair that here in NZ some dont take this as seriously as it should be

You got this excruciatingly right.

I don't pretend for a moment to any greater knowledge than anyone else, Andin. But I notice things, and they tend to get stuck... If I have any acute…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 19:47:59 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339948#post339948 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339948#post339948 Maimai Vice...
a new understanding that Nature must be more than a vending machine – we must enter a respectful partnership
and then there's pricks like this:
What about the shooting of animals?
Tipple's faith keeps him from worrying too much about the ethics.
**"I'm a Christian and I think…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 19:13:54 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339944#post339944 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339944#post339944 I bow to your greater knowledge on the subject. Many thanks
I despair that here in NZ some dont take this as seriously as it should be.

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 18:59:49 +1200 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339940#post339940 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339940#post339940 Whether enmasse we can change course is doubtful

Andin: whether en masse we can change course is in no doubt whatsoever. Indeed: it's the power elite's greatest fear. As I said: we just have to want it badly enough... I've lately returned from living in France, where they know only…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 18:31:51 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339938#post339938 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339938#post339938 Fullerton says the answers lie among an open appraisal of them all, drawing on the best elements of each.

Great post, it's the sort of post that needs to be read widely. But before we get to this point of open appraisal...
Humanity is drowning in its own centuries old…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 17:18:06 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339927#post339927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339927#post339927 Wed, 06 May 2015 12:38:18 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339909#post339909 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339909#post339909 The highest-paid director at MC can earn, by regulation, no more than 6.5 times what the lowest-paid workers take home.

Last time our PSA agreement came up for renegotiation I suggested we ask that no employee be paid more than 15 times the salary of the lowest paid staff member.…

]]> Wed, 06 May 2015 09:57:22 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339908#post339908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-cry-of-the-indignados-forcing/?p=339908#post339908 Discussion from blog post.

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