Public Address | Cafe | Envirologue: Multi-no-choice – National’s Idea of Climate Consultation

Katharine Moody

Fri, 22 May 2015 11:20:00 +1200

Easy way to make a submission – great initiative by Generation Zero;

http://www.fixourfuture.nz/

Spread the word :-).

Katharine Moody

Mon, 18 May 2015 23:42:22 +1200

Point is though, this is the work of the Ministry for the Environment. They are supposed to provide the Minister (and the nation, as this is a public consultation paper) with apolitical, objective advice regarding options. Not multi-no-choice, as the title so aptly suggests.

I would like to see the…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 18 May 2015 23:36:31 +1200

Yeah – we'd love to kiss the 16 lead-acid beasties in the garage g'bye. But sadly the 'powerwall' seems more wall than power.

So effectively it's an extra large UPS.

As for our old friend Stamper, I'm calling it. That he's a Big Oil shill.

Stamper Stamp

Mon, 18 May 2015 23:11:45 +1200

Hi Dan
Re: http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2015/05/15/nz-climate-attitudes-survey-expert-reaction/

“....why has there has been a shift in opinion (a drop from 75% of New Zealanders thinking climate change an urgent or immediate problem in 2008 to only 53% in 2012)? “

Because, 30 years of crying wolf continues to sound more and more hollow.

For…

Steve Rowe

Mon, 18 May 2015 22:14:29 +1200

I've been involved in this climate change stuff in one form or another since 1990 and I can't believe it's taken me so long to realise that the politicians are going to do Jack. Nothing, nada, nought. Everyone just needs to make the changes for themselves and maybe the early…

Rob Stowell

Mon, 18 May 2015 20:25:12 +1200

Yeah – we'd love to kiss the 16 lead-acid beasties in the garage g'bye. But sadly the 'powerwall' seems more wall than power.

Dan Salmon

Mon, 18 May 2015 19:24:37 +1200

Sadly, I don't think New Zealanders are really worried about Climate Change:

"Just over half (53%) agree that there is a scientific consensus on climate change."

http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2015/05/15/nz-climate-attitudes-survey-expert-reaction/

Amanda Wreckonwith

Mon, 18 May 2015 19:00:31 +1200

immediate action is needed to prevent catastrophic climate change.
Catastrophic?
Yikes! Stomper will be stirring from his fossil fuelled slumber as we speak...

Amanda Wreckonwith

Mon, 18 May 2015 18:54:35 +1200

…. Missing the point that not responding is likely to cost us more (even in the short term).
I didn't miss the point. I just find that many people have no idea of the step change we have to make in order to actually make a difference in the long…

Alfie

Mon, 18 May 2015 18:05:37 +1200

Sadly, until everyone reading this post accepts that responding to climate change IS going to 'cost us', we are pretty much cooked.

I'd like to think that most PA readers (with the notable exception of Stomper) accept that immediate action is needed to prevent catastrophic climate change.

Powerwall
However welcome…

linger

Mon, 18 May 2015 17:57:30 +1200

.... Missing the point that not responding is likely to cost us more (even in the short term).

Amanda Wreckonwith

Mon, 18 May 2015 17:09:37 +1200

The same old thinly-veiled “this is going to cost ya” threats

Sadly, until everyone reading this post accepts that responding to climate change IS going to 'cost us', we are pretty much cooked.

st ephen

Mon, 18 May 2015 14:20:54 +1200

places like the EU will be able to use our foot-dragging to block our exports

Sure, they'll use that as an excuse, while they continue to subsidise their own agriculture regardless of its greenhouse gas efficiency. Whereas if we were part of the EU they'd be right beside us pleading…

Bart Janssen

Mon, 18 May 2015 13:56:45 +1200

You really think National are quite that fruitbat?

It's a difficult question. Certainly National and the PMs office seem to have an uncertain relationship with facts. Whether that would extend to blaming a whole continent for their own inactions is up for debate.

However, the lack of attachment to the…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 18 May 2015 13:52:29 +1200

*raised eyebrow* You really think National are quite that fruitbat?

I'm not just talking about political leaders, but also the wider denialist movement. If Owen McShane was still around, he'd definitely fit the bill. And has anyone noticed that many denialists also happen to have a Huntington-ian Clash of Civilisations…

linger

Mon, 18 May 2015 13:07:26 +1200

*raised eyebrow* You really think National are quite that fruitbat?

Kumara Republic

Mon, 18 May 2015 12:44:47 +1200

if we continue behaving like we are, places like the EU will be able to use our foot-dragging to block our exports.

And I suspect that it may not force the guilty parties’ arse into gear. More likely they’d go Tea Party on anything and anyone that looks European. And…

Sacha

Mon, 18 May 2015 12:32:38 +1200

if we continue behaving like we are, places like the EU will be able to use our foot-dragging to block our exports.

st ephen

Mon, 18 May 2015 12:13:09 +1200

I agree that the Consultation document is a bit of a joke, presumably designed to generate a public mandate for the current government's do-nothing policy.
And yet... There is still some truth in what the document says, and perhaps we shouldn't beat ourselves up too much in comparisons with the…

Sacha

Mon, 18 May 2015 11:48:21 +1200

except the joint research into agri emissions which buys time before farmers need to get off their chuffs.

Simon Johnson

Mon, 18 May 2015 11:39:24 +1200

Also the Government has no intention of reducing GHG emissions in it's 5% by 2020 target. They intend to "meet" the target through creative accounting with dubious carbon credits.
See NZ’s emissions target scam – Groser & Co’s creative accounting exposed

Bart Janssen

Mon, 18 May 2015 10:54:49 +1200

It's also interesting that for a government so quick to tout it's innovation (snort) policies they are clearly don't believe New Zealand could contribute at all to global innovation in the energy and global warming fields.

Hilary Stace

Mon, 18 May 2015 10:50:41 +1200

Meanwhile Simon Bridges is in Australia encouraging oil and petroleum companies to come to NZ to explore as much as they want

Sacha

Mon, 18 May 2015 10:24:12 +1200

and to transfer NZ farming knowledge to vertically-integrated Chinese corporate agri-businesses.

Mick Buckley

Mon, 18 May 2015 10:13:10 +1200

Meanwhile, government owned Landcorp continues to convert carbon absorbing forests into methane belching dairy farms.

Public Address

Mon, 18 May 2015 10:13:10 +1200

Discussion from blog post.