Public Address | Cafe | Envirologue: Fool me Once: Lessons on the TPPA from Free-Trade History https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349347#post349347 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349347#post349347 Tracey Watkins is running the same Clark backs Key angle

Gallery journos running the same angle? Say it isn't so.

]]> Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:55:31 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349341#post349341 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349341#post349341 "What always haunts one as the New Zealand Prime Minister is 'will there be a series of trade blocs you're not part of?'. Because that's unthinkable for New Zealand, an exporter and small trading nation. So of course New Zealand has to be in on the action with the TPP… ]]> Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:57:58 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349338#post349338 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349338#post349338 I'm not so sure. Tracey Watkins is running the same Clark backs Key angle, including this quote from Andrew Little.
She's the former Prime Minister for nine years, so she's not going to lose interest in what happens in New Zealand – it's her home country.
Provided that the quotes…

]]> Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:26:14 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349295#post349295 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349295#post349295 Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:19:39 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349290#post349290 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=349290#post349290 back John Key over the TPPA after meeting with him in New York today? Or am I missing something? ]]> Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:29:46 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=347039#post347039 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=347039#post347039 here's what we're up against — the latest Herald-DigiPoll shows mainly confusion and/or apathy. Sure, the sample size is only 750 but a staggering 45% of respondents still "don't know"? WTF? ]]> Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:32:49 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342007#post342007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342007#post342007 And will the TPPA really force open the agricultural markets of America and Japan, as its most ardent defenders claim?

Yeah, sure, in about 10 years they promise to start opening them up. Just like they did with most of the other fre trade agreements. But there are always get-out…

]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:13:04 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342002#post342002 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342002#post342002 It's heartening to see that a lot of Americans don't want the TPPA either. A group of conservatives have set up an anti-TPPA website encouraging voters to contact congress and fight the bill.
Obamatrade would subject the U.S. to the jurisdiction of two systems of foreign tribunals, including World Bank…

]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2015 08:42:20 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342000#post342000 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=342000#post342000 In this case, for TPPA supporters :) ]]> Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:07:49 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341996#post341996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341996#post341996 America and Japan, as its most ardent defenders claim? ]]> Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:19:51 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341993#post341993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341993#post341993 Who gets the upside?

Multinational corporations.If you look at this as an agreement between TNCs and a bunch of nation-states it makes more sense.

When I was younger I foolishly thought that one day a TNC would outright buy a small country like, I dunno, Nauru or Kiribati, and use…

]]> Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:51:43 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341955#post341955 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341955#post341955 Finally. John Key has admitted that Pharmac may be phucked under the TPPA.
Mr Key made his comments to reporters in Christchurch yesterday when questioned about the latest leak of TPP text by Wikileaks, which suggests there will be greater requirements on Pharmac for transparency in its decision-making and potential…

]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:39:33 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341340#post341340 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341340#post341340 True dat. :-/

(Sorry, in reply to Matthew)

]]> Sat, 30 May 2015 13:38:43 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341219#post341219 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341219#post341219 http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1503/S00313/new-tppa-investment-leak-confirms-nz-surrender-to-us.htm
More leaks via Jane Kelsey and Scoop

]]> Thu, 28 May 2015 20:33:15 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341204#post341204 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341204#post341204 Turns out Democrats are far cheaper to purchase

FTFY :P

]]> Thu, 28 May 2015 15:50:02 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341184#post341184 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341184#post341184 Thu, 28 May 2015 10:55:11 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341071#post341071 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341071#post341071 The last Labour govt was negotiating quite happily for this. Let's not subscribe to the fallacy this was invented by National. Maybe Labour was negotiating a more limited scope, but who knows?

Started in 2005, the TPP was NZ negotiating with Chile, Brunei and Singapore; the original four countries. It…

]]> Wed, 27 May 2015 10:53:59 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341067#post341067 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341067#post341067 Australia was able to export its cars to the States under the USAUFTA, but they didn’t sell in big numbers over there

Because they only appealed to people who wanted a great big sedan with a 1960s pushrod V8, which the US auto industry also made. (In fact, the Aussie…

]]> Wed, 27 May 2015 09:25:01 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341064#post341064 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341064#post341064 I do remember reading the government led assessments of the US-Australia FTA deal a decade ago at uni and they were short on actual detail, with the benefits generally flowing from the "invisibles" side of thing, that being the liberalisation on investment, copyright or the like. All of which was… ]]> Wed, 27 May 2015 00:01:16 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341057#post341057 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341057#post341057 https://youtu.be/y2lhkTZgLkE ]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 21:57:33 +1200 Ben Austin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341054#post341054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341054#post341054 Tue, 26 May 2015 21:16:46 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341049#post341049 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341049#post341049 Tue, 26 May 2015 20:15:57 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341042#post341042 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341042#post341042 Tue, 26 May 2015 17:33:47 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341029#post341029 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341029#post341029 where’s Labour gone?

Bloody quiet :(
Labour’s Te Tai Tokerau victory has effectively meant one less voice opposing the TPPA.

]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 12:53:56 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341026#post341026 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341026#post341026 where’s Labour gone?
Bloody quiet :(
On past record, they too tend to roll over and bark whenever Washington glances our way.
Lots of people here fighting it – the indomitable Jane Kelsey, and Bryan Bruce is doing some good stuff.

]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 12:38:40 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341025#post341025 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341025#post341025 but where's Labour gone?

Very good question.

]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 12:26:25 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341023#post341023 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341023#post341023 Thanks for a good piece Dave.

Every time the TPPA gets mentioned I find myself asking, 'What's in it for NZ?' and I've yet to receive a single worthwhile answer. While Grosser and Key froth on about an unspecified increase in access to foreign markets, none of the documents leaked…

]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 12:04:42 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341021#post341021 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341021#post341021 The American public doesn't want it either. It's large corporations that don't have any allegiance to any national laws, trying to refashion the world in their own image.

Maybe one day the "one world govt" won't be such a bad thing, but not at the behest of the mega-corporations, thanks.

]]> Tue, 26 May 2015 11:49:53 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341018#post341018 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341018#post341018 Tue, 26 May 2015 10:14:58 +1200 Barnaby Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341007#post341007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=341007#post341007 Mon, 25 May 2015 21:57:23 +1200 Morgan Nichol https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=340997#post340997 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=340997#post340997 Who gets the upside? It seems like TPPA was originally a pretty ordinary deal, but then the Americans got involved and it went crazy. I see why they want it, but why do we still want it?

Can it just be about Groser wanting a sweet job once he finally…

]]> Mon, 25 May 2015 16:54:24 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=340996#post340996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa/?p=340996#post340996 Discussion from blog post.

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