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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>I strongly and passionately disagree with this. In my personal experience, an ordinary citizen, with command of the full facts and able to mount a cogent and comprehensive arguement, can effect change.</q></p><p>Tried that.  Seriously...you should see the reams of paperwork we put together....reams of the stuff. And by God…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 21:13:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>as an ordinary individual citizen would effect any change</q></p><p>I strongly and passionately disagree with this. In my personal experience, an ordinary citizen, with command of the full facts and able to mount a cogent and comprehensive  arguement, can effect change.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 20:29:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Note that anyone can apply for a reassessment or review of a hazardous substance if you believe there are valid grounds for this.</q></p><p>Oh my goodness!  Its already on the <a href="http://www.epa.govt.nz/hazardous-substances/reassessments-reviews/Pages/Chief%20Executive%20Initiated%20Reassessment%20list.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Cheif Executive Initiated Reassessment List!</a></p><p>And has been for years.  As well as the two substances I linked to earlier,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:46:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Back in 2010 I tried to find out on what basis the Food Safety Authority approved for use a certain agrichemical </q></p><p>Instead of hinting darkly, why not just state what it is, post a few links to the relevant documentation, and then it might be possible to have an informed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:48:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>It’s not necessary to be a qualified scientist to actually do useful science, and verifiable measurement is something that’s sorely needed in support of most anti-1080 claims I’ve seen.</q></p><p>Nicely said, Izogi.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:32:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>It’s standard for people make statements about what scientific studies said, which often turn out to be incorrect or opposite if the study is actually checked. </q></p><p>Back in 2010 I tried to find out on what basis the Food Safety Authority approved for use a certain agrichemical and how it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 10:15:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>Oh, but of course....this is anecdote...not real hard core science.</q></p><p>Just being able to provide good references is helpful, though.  Anecdote provides nothing verifiable which can actually be talked about in a useful way, and so trying to make strong arguments with just anecdote is really only going to build…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2016 09:24:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I did read this , which of course was ‘discredited’ by the establishment.</q><br /> 'This' refers to a critique of the PCE's report by Jo Pollard. Sure it was discredited. This was because it's mostly scientifically illiterate. For instance, Pollard claims that __Because 1080 poison is highly soluble it spreads very…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:56:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I am coming from the point of view of someone who tried,  and ultimately failed, to protect her little patch of paradise from the adverse effects of her neighbours' indiscriminate use of pesticides.</p><p>This was 2010.  By 2012,  and after many hours spent researching,  reading, talking on the phone and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:24:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						I went to the Wellington launch of Vincent O'Malley's monumental new book <em>The Great War for New Zealand</em> a couple of weeks ago, and it was very heartening to hear that a copy is being provided to every secondary school library in the country. Sorry I can't remember who's providing…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:18:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>I’ll read the book…maybe when it lands in the discount bin</q></p><p>I'll put in a plug for the countries public libraries here, and if you want to read it checking through that route.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 15:07:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/22/big-kill" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This</a> is an interesting read &ndash; Elizabeth Kolbert in the New Yorker, explaining NZ's crusade against mammalian pests to bemused onlookers from other countries.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:27:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Good on you for reading the PCE’s report. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the PCE is an enthusiastic lobbyist for pesticide use in general; it’s more that given the magnitude of the problem we’re facing with native bird species threatened with extinction, this particular pesticide seems to…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 14:15:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Rosemary, your comments are a bit unfair. </q></p><p>I'll read the book...maybe when it lands in the discount bin. No disrespect here...just pecuniary disadvantage.  So...I listened to Dave's interview on Natrad...to get a feel of what the book is about. My critique above is based on that interview.</p><p>If there is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:51:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Rosemary, your comments are a bit unfair. The book is very balanced and even handed in my opinion (I’m about a third of the way through). Note that Hansford’s conclusions are very similar to those reached by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.<a href="http://www.pce.parliament.nz/media/1294/evaluating-the-use-of-1080.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here’s her report</a>. Ball’s in your court if…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:15:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I'm guessing here that Michael Hood heard the Natrad <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201822697/dave-hansford-1080-a-poisonous-debate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interview with Dave Hansford</a> on Sunday.</p><p>Dave Hansford may be correct and 1080 is the only hope for New Zealand's flora and fauna.</p><p>Nothing else,  no other pest control measure, could possible measure up to the truly awesomeness of sodium flouroacetate…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 11:45:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Wow that blog is straight out of Protecting Parasites, the non-scientific book!</q></p><p>Pardon Michael? Which blog? Do you have any particular point to make?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 10:49:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Sigh. It's hard to know where to start with such an ill-informed rant. Go away and read Dave Hansford's excellent book then come back for a more informed discussion.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 10:47:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Hood</title>
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						Wow that blog is straight out of Protecting Parasites, the non-scientific book! Yes it's from March last year. And unhappily for all those who wrote at length about how awful those opposed to this 1080 poison are and how violent, partially illiterate and downright nasty they must be to to…
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						Kerr has been sentenced to an additional <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/308212/1080-threat-man&#039;s-sentence-increased" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">15 months</a> for possessing and selling party pills.
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>The Herald has <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11648775" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">more details</a> which suggest Kerr was running a serious operation &mdash; they found 32,000 BZP tabs and five pill-press machines. </p><p>They've also revealed that he was busted back in 2004 for operating a hydroponic setup with 450 plants. </p><p><q>The plants were inside shipping containers equipped with extraction fans,…</q></p>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						This morning <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11648589" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jeremy Kerr has pleaded guilty</a> to five additional charges which had been suppressed during his blackmail trial. Four counts of possessing BZP for the purpose of supply and one of selling the drug.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:45:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						A former business partner who invented the possum belts talks about <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11611855" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kerr cheating him</a> and stealing his ideas.
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						Thanks for that!
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:38:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Or you could read the judge's full sentencing report (<a href="https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/from/decisions/judgments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">available here, R v Kerr</a>).</p><p>It amazes me that people feel themselves able to decide on matters of guilt and sentencing on the basis of a few hundred words of (often biased and sensationalised) summary in a newspaper when the actual…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:24:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>Actually harming people physically, probably.</q></p><p>As I read <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM330263" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Blackmail description in the Crimes Act (237, 238)</a>, it doesn't seem to cover the act of actually carrying out the threat.  Blackmail in NZ seems to be specifically about making the threat in order to obtain an act or a benefit…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Put in rental accommodation, and paid NZ Superannuation, after you’ve confiscated their savings.</q></p><p>Don’t be stupid…<br />Its not like he's Maori or anything…..<br />/sarc</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:38:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						<p>"sentence of perpetual bankruptcy for greed based cases"</p><p>Put in rental accommodation, and paid NZ Superannuation, after you've confiscated their savings.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>If it affects farming then surely it is Terraism?…<br />/coat</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Actually harming people physically, probably.</p><p>I don’t know what good filling the jails does. Maybe there should be some sort of sentence of perpetual bankruptcy for greed based cases like this.</p>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>8.5 years prison.</q></p><p>Which seems light, given the gravity of the offence and the estimated $37m cost to the country. It makes you wonder what you'd have to do to receive the maximum 14 years the offence carries? </p><p>Phil Taylor has an <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11610125" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">in-depth review of the case</a> in the Herald.</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/78180409/1080-blackmailer-jeremy-kerr-sentenced-to-eight-years-six-months-jail" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">8.5 years prison</a>.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:01:46 +1300</pubDate>
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						The 1080 case has progressed to a pre-sentence <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/77737918/1080-blackmailers-motivation-not-financial-according-to-accountant" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">disputed facts hearing</a> in the Auckland High Court to determine whether the offending was financially motivated.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2016 14:57:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						Indeed. The Herald report states that the DNA sample was "260 times more likely to belong to Kerr than any other random male". In forensic terms that's actually a very low match, but it was enough to convince Kerr that the Police had him dead to rights.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:21:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Kerr doesn't exactly sound like a criminal mastermind. Good police work to nab him, all the same.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:50:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						While the timeline is unclear, Kerr apparently changed his mind and sent <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11594135" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a retraction letter</a> to Police saying he’d destroyed the 1080. However this time he left a sample of his DNA on the letter, which led to his eventual downfall.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:40:42 +1300</pubDate>
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						Is it possible to have a discussion around here without inevitably being dragged back to labels of 'left' and 'right'?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:48:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						It must be reassuring for the right, to know that the threat was just capitalism in action.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:23:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						Stuff is reporting that from his police interview, <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/77148346/1080-blackmailer-made-100k-per-year-off-his-poison-feratox" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">he was making about $100k/year on royalties for Feratox since 1993</a>, but it'd tailed off lots more recently, and no longer supported his lifestyle.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:52:04 +1300</pubDate>
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						I think the next interesting thing to find out will be how he obtained he 1080 samples he used, and what sort of auditing for access was in place.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:09:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>The man behind the 1080 threat has finally been named as <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11593570" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jeremy Hamish Kerr.</a> He earned royalties from a product called <a href="http://www.connovation.co.nz/pest-id-and-resource-possum" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Feratox</a>, an encapsulated form of cyanide. Kerr has pleaded guilty to all charges but denies his actions were financially motivated, as alleged by the crown. </p><p><q>Crown prosecutor Christine Gordon, QC,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:18:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						At the time Media were looking at the changes from their point of view. I kept saying under the misuse of drugs act, Police could enter if they  suspected misuse then they could discover other illegal activity which is what used to happen.  The [[http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2012/0024/latest/DLM2136536.html|changes reprinted in '15 are some…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:12:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Thanks.  So it seems that this really <em>is</em> a new thing, unless the previous law also allowed secret searches.</p><p>It'd be interesting to know how frequently Police are using it.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Have these provisions from sections 134 and 135 always been there, or were they introduced with terrorism changes, despite not requiring anything resembling terrorism?</q></p><p>Back in 2012<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10837641" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> National with Act and Dunne changed the law</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/national/5697236/Merit-in-surveillance-legislation-but-concerns-too" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dominion post ran this</a> at the time also.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:16:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I've been searching the law as best as I can, and I can't find a requirement for a terrorism threat.  I'll happily submit to someone who's actually qualified to interpret law.</p><p>As I can see, in the <a href="http://legislation.co.nz/act/public/2012/0024/latest/whole.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Search and Surveillance Act</a>, all of Part 4 seems to be about search…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:39:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>If I were running the investigation I’d start with those people</q></p><p>What if you just wanted to look at a specific group of people, who'd be first?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:34:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I wonder if all those who had official access to the 'white powder' form of 1080 were searched,  in secret?</p><p>If I were running the investigation I'd start with those people....then search their email and phone records....contact all their contacts....</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:54:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>How frequently are secret search warrants used? Is it only available when there’s an alleged terrorism threat?</q></p><p>this seems to meet that description, to be fair</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:11:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>We now know that the blackmail had a purely financial motive.</q><br /><conspiracytheory><br />Well that's nice and tidy eh? No other motive need be sought, no need to look any further then.<br />Now, if you were going to do this as a "False Flag" operation, what would you do?. <br /></conspiracytheory></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:20:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>So just like politics then…</q></p><p>Yes and no.  I don’t think there’s so much in the way of high level personal agendas and ulterior motives as often seems to happen in politics.</p><p>The 1080 argument is largely a fight directly about stuff people strongly believe, and as Rosemary said it’s…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:05:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Clickbait!</p><p>Yet this old machine needs an update (according to the three messages that popped up!) and I fear loading more onto the hard drive just might push it over the edge. (If left on for more than half an hour...the cooling fan makes more noise than the washing machine…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:15:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Not.<br />Any<br />More</q></p><p><a href="http://www.veoh.com/watch/v18706041g8fS9nAj" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.veoh.com/watch/v18706041g8fS9nAj</a></p><p><strong> <em>Sleeping Dogs</em> </strong> &ndash; pull up a couch...</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:41:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>So just like politics then…</q></p><p>And the'type' of person you are depends on what side you are on.</p><p>And,  quite often,  you're <strong>forced</strong> into choosing a side.</p><p>If you are the person who looks at the evidence about a substance,  looks at the reasons given for distributing that substance in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:52:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>...but there are certainly a few involved who are hardly decent in their actions, but can present themselves as such. Who these people are will depend on who you ask.</q><br />So just like politics then...</p>
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						<p><q>The Kleines strike me as the kind of decent New Zealanders who</q></p><p>Yes, probably. Though from what I've seen of the 1080 debate in the last few years, and some of the people involved, I'm reluctant to draw conclusions about people based solely on how they're presented in a media…</p>
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						<p>When this story originally broke I thought, <em>'Somebody is out to discredit the anti-1080 brigade.'</em> It was something the SIS might have dreamed up... send one little envelope containing white powder and everyone involved with the anti-1080 campaign is immediately discredited as a terrorist. Effective. And evil.</p><p>We now know…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:29:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>stirring up a surveil ants nest...</strong><br /><q>secret search of their home</q><br />The Kleines strike me as the kind of decent New Zealanders who would have happily supplied DNA samples had they been extended the civilised courtesy of being asked and had the situation explained to them, maybe it's the cyber…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:29:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Never</p><p>Trust</p><p>Anybody</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:58:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/75908951/Secret-police-search-in-1080-blackmail-case-leaves-Golden-Bay-couple-in-shock" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">From Stuff, today</a>:</p><p><q>A Golden Bay couple already reeling after a police raid last March were shocked to learn of an earlier secret search of their home.</p><p>Rolf and Ute Kleine, who run teahouse and bakery Takaka Infusion, received an email last week from Detective Senior Sergeant Aaron Pascoe that…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:16:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						We know that the man is (was?) involved with a pest control business and I'd imagine that people working in that area would have access to raw 1080. However the list of people with that level of access to the pure version of the chemical would be extremely limited, and…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:40:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>It’ll be interesting to learn about where the raw 1080 was sourced.</q></p><p>Stolen? Reverse-engineered? Fraudulently purchased?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:12:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						Thanks for the updates.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:27:58 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Also, in yesterday’ news, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&amp;objectid=11563373" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Animal Control Products (1080 importer and bait manufacturer) has reportedly been cleared of involvement</a>.</p><p>It’ll be interesting to learn about where the raw 1080 was sourced.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:57:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/75203893/1080-blackmailer-pleads-guilty" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">There's now a guilty plea</a>.  The name remains suppressed.
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						<q>According to court documents, the man “threatened expressly to endanger the safety of any person, namely infants, by releasing infant milk formula into the Chinese market contaminated with traces of 1080, <strong>with intent</strong> to cause Federated Farmers Incorporated to act in accordance with the will of [the man] **to cause…</q>
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						The case has been <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11539838" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">moved to the High Court</a> with pleas due in December. Virtually all the facts are still suppressed.
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/73431659/1080-threat-accused-in-court" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">In court</a>.  There's not much new published here yet, though.
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						<p>Yep,  we have one of these....<a href="https://store.nzfarmsource.co.nz/catalog/pestoff-departure-lounge-bait-station/205161" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://store.nzfarmsource.co.nz/catalog/pestoff-departure-lounge-bait-station/205161</a></p><p>The name got our attention. A nice touch of rodenticidal whimsy.</p><p>Before the advent of bait stations,  we used the good old length of drainflo pipe,  with the bait held in the middle by number eight wire.</p><p>It still uses poison,  and the rats…</p>
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						<p>Rats? No problem. I bought one of these <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/outdoor-garden-conservatory/gardening-landscaping-supplies/pest-weed-control/auction-964924590.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nifty little bait stations</a> on TradeMe. A bargain at $25 but make sure you buy some extra bait blocks at the same time. </p><p>These dehydrate the rat and it wanders off to die somewhere else. There's no reason why you couldn't set…</p>
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						<p>I suspect i have the same feelings towards rats and stoats as you have for possums.</p><p>I hate the buggers.</p><p>We have chooks.  Chooks attract rats.  Some years in huge numbers. (Like the year the neighbour got those plug in pest deterrers. )</p><p>We have used various methods to reduce…</p>
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						<p><q>Seriously effective looking beastie….I am saving up for the rat version…</q></p><p>Maybe think twice about that Rosemary. I mentioned <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-1080-eco-terrorism-and-agendas/?p=349911#post349911" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">above</a>  (without referring to the brand) that my neighbour has one of those new-fangled <em>Good Nature</em> possum traps. Both traps are in similar areas and are positioned only 20 metres apart.…</p>
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						<p><q>Maybe more money will be allocated for some kind of trap research,</q></p><p>Like this!!!  <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife#audio-201774976" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife#audio-201774976</a></p><p><a href="http://goodnature.co.nz/index.php?pageID=products&amp;productId=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://goodnature.co.nz/index.php?pageID=products&amp;productId=3</a></p><p>Seriously effective looking beastie....I am saving up for the rat version...</p><p>The programme is well worth a listen.</p>
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						<p><q>SHOT’s Laurie Collins doesn’t let the issue’s importance distract him from keeping things narrowly partisan: “Only NZ First has had the guts to stand up on behalf of the increasing numbers of Kiwis opposed to the destruction 1080 causes the ecosystem.” </q></p><p>NZ First is also highly opportunist and has spotted…</p>
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						<p>Cool, thanks.  I was thinking of news bulletins rather than Morning Report.  :)</p><p>Also I'm not trying to apologise for the PM and friends playing politics with the immediate eco-terrorism label.  That was just dumb.</p>
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						<p><q>Hi Rosemary. Do you know which day he was quoted on the 7am news bulletin?</q></p><p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/20170407" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/20170407</a><br /><a href="http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20150311-0717-anti_1080_protesters_distancing_themselves_from_person-048.mp3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20150311-0717-anti_1080_protesters_distancing_themselves_from_person-048.mp3</a></p><p>and while finding that,  i stumbled across this site....</p><p><a href="http://www.postmanproductions.org/?p=3119" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.postmanproductions.org/?p=3119</a></p><p>(11 March,  Morning Report search...natrad has the broadcast dates under the heading, I just kept clicking back until I reached the right day.…</p>
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						Hi Rosemary.  Do you know which day he was quoted on the 7am news bulletin?  If I can figure out how to browse Radio NZ's old news bulletins, annoyingly I can't find a nice index, I'd not mind going back to listen to what he said.  I don't share the…
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						<p><q>What Ben Benfield says is correct. </q></p><p>Whatever the merits of Benfield's track record as an anti-1080 campaigner, he's not judge and jury on this case. If there was good reason to expect the pending court case to repeat the murky machinations of the media he might be the best we…</p>
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						<p>What Ben Benfield says is correct.  There was the early mention of an inside job....then that angle totally disappeared.  We thought we had misheard.</p><p>That has happened on more that one occasion on Natrad.  A particular story will get aired....you expect more...it never comes.</p><p>I guess the security of their…</p>
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						It’s more Scoop publishing a press release from the <em>Sporting Hunters’ Outdoor Trust</em>.  It makes Bill Benfield wonder if there’s a conspiracy of the government controlling National Radio, I imagine.
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						<p>Scoop's scoop....<a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1510/S00279/1080-baby-food-scare-seems-on-inside.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1510/S00279/1080-baby-food-scare-seems-on-inside.htm</a></p><p><q>“As it turned out, it was an inside job, i.e. someone within the poison pest control business.”</p><p>Bill Benfield who has written two conservation-based books exposing the 1080 fraud, was interviewed by National Radio at the time the blackmail threat was made to Fonterra. **His view of an…</q></p>
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						<p><q>This warrants an exposé – the spread of Rural Terrierists and their effect on the terroir…</q></p><p>Which reminds me wordsmith...,  clink clink. :)</p>
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						<p><strong>The War on Terroir...</strong><br /><q>...but the neighbours terriers are doing a great job...</q><br />This warrants an exposé &ndash; the spread of Rural Terrierists and their effect on the terroir...</p>
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						We got one too Alfie :) Not catching any at the mo but the neighbours terriers are doing a great job for us.
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						<p><q>Not to mention that they don’t actually *want* to eradicate mammals, as they’d have nothing left to hunt</q></p><p>Plenty of pigs and goats in the bush too. And your hippy reference. I know one hippy with a gun ,the rest are farmers and locals at the pub. all of them…</p>
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						<p><q>I get the feeling that many of the vocal anti-1080 people are pikie/hippy types who like nothing better than scrambling around bush, probably with a gun.</q></p><p>Not exclusively, from what I’ve seen.  I think that’s more of a stereotype.  Plus there are hunters out there who don’t have much of…</p>
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						<p><q>... the likes of the one you have is the reason there are so many 3 legged possum limping around the bush. </q></p><p>I think gin or leg-hold traps are mainly to blame for leg-loss and can honestly say that not a single possum has escaped from my Timms trap. As…</p>
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						<p><q>I get the feeling that many of the vocal anti-1080 people are pikie/hippy types who like nothing better than scrambling around bush, probably with a gun.</q></p><p>Some,  but not all.</p><p>Pragmatically,  we are not able to turn back time and restore NZ to how she was before the human invasion.…</p>
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						<p>I get the feeling that many of the vocal anti-1080 people are pikie/hippy types who like nothing better than scrambling around bush, probably with a gun.</p><p>Which has two problems: what about the bush that they can't get to and the possums and rats can (and the damage they do…</p>
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						<p><q>Silence. There wasn’t a single bird call. Not one.</q></p><p>And yet,  when visiting Auckland and Tauranga over the past few weeks....tui,  bellbirds, parakeets, kereru loud to the point of "Where's my blunderbuss,  so I can hear the conversation?"</p><p>Number of possible reasons...and maybe this will be the salvation of our…</p>
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						<p><q>Birds are poisoned too you know.</q></p><p>Not when they've all been wiped out by rats and stoats, which was sort of the point of my Fiordland story. Don't get me wrong &mdash; I certainly wouldn't want to be anywhere near a 1080 drop and I'd love to see DoC being…</p>
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						<p><q>There is also a little gas-powered trap on the market which attaches to trees, automatically drops the possum and resets after each kill. That sounds like a good idea but my neighbour has one and hasn’t killed a single possum in four years.</q></p><p>I do hear about them but have…</p>
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						<p><q>Other solutions can be the likes of the Trapinator...</q></p><p>I haven't seen that one before but anything which wipes out possums must be applauded. I can proudly say that my trusty little <a href="http://kiwimana.co.nz/how-to-use-a-timms-trap/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Timms trap</a> has killed 58 possums to date. <em>Yesssss!</em></p><p>There is also a little gas-powered trap on the…</p>
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						<p><q>1080 is a cruel poison which should not be used anywhere near people. </q></p><p>Actually, Alfie, the EPA review concluded that there was a greater public health hazard associated with the use of the alternatives such as cyanide.</p>
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						<p><q>But until there’s a viable alternative</q></p><p>A viable alternative is not cutting doc spending and trapping/ shooting. People who live around here.Many go trapping and many ask permission to wander over private land doing this.Many shoot possum, the fur is worth money.There are alternatives. the situation you mention may be…</p>
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						<p><q>To be fair, though,</q></p><p>I have afriend who took it upon himself to eradicate rats ,stoats and possum from the hillside near his place by the Orakei basin. He has gone out and trapped for some time but has now saved the hillside and birdlife and native bush is flourishing.…</p>
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						<p><q>We are told we need 1080 to save the feathered forest inhabitants from decimation by the furry foreigners. Its all about the birds.</p><p>When in reality, it is predominantly about keeping TB out of the dairy herds that are inexorably encroaching into the marginal lands adjoining the forests.</q></p><p>I'm not…</p>
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						<p><q>There are better methods, but these are labour intensive and hence more expensive</q></p><p>Other solutions can be  the likes of <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=961777745" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Trapinator</a> and with the sale of 2 of these <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/clothing-fashion/men/shoes/auction-961380247.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">babies</a>, the trap has then paid for itself so it is actually a job creator also and somebody gets comfort…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:24:26 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Aerial drops of 1080 bait is a clumsy and unsophisticated method of pest control. There are better methods, but these are labour intensive and hence more expensive. </q></p><p>To be fair, though, the presence of better methods, even if at more expense, is a claim of great dispute between the proponents…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>So now everyone involved in that field gets tainted with guilt by association until they finally get round to having a trial and lifting name suppression?</q></p><p>It's a small field.  They probably know this guy.</p>
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						<p><q>The accused ... developed an alternative poison to control possum populations</q></p><p>So now everyone involved in that field gets tainted with guilt by association until they finally get round to having a trial and lifting name suppression?</p>
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						<p><q>Imagine his mindset for a moment. The blackmail attempt succeeds, NZ stops using 1080. What do we use to control possums? Hey… Mr X has developed a viable but costly alternative… let’s use that. Mr X gets rich and lives happily ever after. The end.</q></p><p>That could be the scenario...but…</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t totally get it either, but it might be a reference to the claim that he developed an alternative poison for possum control.</q></p><p>Aha… with greed as the motive, suddenly this case <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/72964934/infant-milk-formula-1080-scare-man-in-court" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">starts to make sense.</a> We learned earlier that the 1080 sample sent to Fonterra was lab quality,…</p>
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						<p>Just the day before this story broke(belatedly) back in February, I'd had a lovely chat with fellow camper at a remote doc camp about alternatives to 1080.  There was a less indiscriminate method in the pipeline...but was unlikely to get the govt tick because it would cost more.  </p><p>And look....you…</p>
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						I don’t totally get it either, but it might be a reference to the claim that he developed an alternative poison for possum control. Perhaps he had some insane plan in mind to get DOC’s and the AHB’s 1080 use reduced (in favour of alternatives) by threatening to kill babies.…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I see according to the charge sheet, the businessman charged (who John Key putatively labelled an eco-terrorist at the time of the threats) had a financial motivation.</q></p><p>There are echoes of the <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/apr/08/duncancampbell.marksellman" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rodney Whitchelo case</a> in Britain in the late 1980s. The guy thought his Scotland Yard expertise would make…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>what a prick</q></p><p>I'm holding fire on snap judgments on this one.</p><p>Doesn't quite add up somehow.</p><p>No mention of $$$ when the story broke earlier in the year....</p><p>I wonder why the name suppression?  </p><p>Unless....</p>
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						<p><q>had a financial motivation</q></p><p>what a prick</p>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						Key might recognise a fellow traveller.
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						I see according to the charge sheet, the businessman charged (who John Key putatively labelled an eco-terrorist at the time of the threats) had a financial motivation.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>"The New Zealand Police periscope account."  <br />Heh.</p>
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						Police executed search warrants in Auckland and Rangitikei District this morning. A 60-year-old businessman has been <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11528344" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">arrested and charged</a> with two counts of criminal blackmail. He'll appear in Manukau District Court this afternoon.
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						<a href="http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/urgent-media-advisory-press-conference-harlech-house-1pm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Police have called an urgent media conference on the 1080 milk poisoning thing at 1pm today</a>.
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				<title>wahooman</title>
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						Can't let this blog pass without making comment. I am one of those people, derisively dismissed throughout as Looney extreme left greenies that detest 1080. Unlike the writer I have, as an ex-DoC and NZ Forest Service employee, had a lot of first hand experience with this particularly cruel poison.…
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						I pretty much disagree with Josie Pagani's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11418192" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">take</a> on this episode. I'm not usually one to give this government much credit for anything, but I don't really see them as the main villains of this particular piece as she seems to.
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				<title>Dave Hansford</title>
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						Thanks Bart: you're very welcome to plagiarise, if it gets the notion out there...
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>lobby groups keep rolling Trojan horses up to the doors of the newspapers, ramshackle constructions of tin foil and tape dressed to look like science, but packed tight inside with self-interest and agendas.</q></p><p>Just wanted to compliment you on this phrase and notify you that I fully intend to steal…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:56:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Which depends on how much of those accompanying tax cuts shift overseas</q></p><p>Not just those tax cuts but all imports, overseas investors repatriating profits, re-insurance. All those things effectively mean borrowing to support "Unsustainable Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" maybe there's a TV show in that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:52:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>eco echoes...</strong><br />I think that the 'eco'* in this particular <br />'act of eco-terrorism' <br />is 'economic' not ecological...</p><p>Putting all our 'eco's in the one dairy basket<br />may be a little short sighted!</p><p><aside> Gawd forbid that John Key (with his Min of Tourism hat on) ever has to verbally promote eco-tourism,…</p>
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						Debt clocks are silly. Sovereignty and stuff, so long as the cost of rolling it over is less than the cost of ignoring it, we'll keep rolling it over without ever paying any of it back. Unless inflation gets up, as we can control inflation by having the state pay…
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						Does NZ have "a growth problem, not a debt problem", or is NZ "borrowing $300m a week"? I suspect it depends on which audience is being dog-whistled to.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>Really can’t figure this</q></p><p>neither can I &ndash; dollar bills?</p>
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						<p>But then... Its not about the nail...<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg</a></p>
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						<p>I hadn't seen this 'till today...<br /><a href="http://imgur.com/9M2KqSs " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like the bit of wood next to a nail.</a></p>
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						<p>This is the second time I have broken PAS<br />The last time I managed to set the entire site to <em>ITALICS</em><br />Can't remember how now, just as well I suppose. ;-)</p>
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						<p><q>Ian wins.</q><br />My serve(r)?<br />;-  )</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:38:19 +1300</pubDate>
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						Ian wins. It appears all those dots confused the poor server. wooops
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:16:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						Really can't figure this
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Grrrrrrrrrr….<br />Won’t take a 56kb jpeg</q><br />It breaks down at the same scan/line point in the graphic, hmmm<br />Just wondering if the server doesn't like the extra full stops in the file name?<br />Try renaming it with no stops other than before the 'JPG'...</p>
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						<p>Grrrrrrrrrr....<br />Won't take a 56kb jpeg?<br />I am not beaten.....<br />Have a <a href="http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/newzealand " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> link to the Debt Clock instead.</a><br /> ;-(</p>
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						<p><strong>Fade to grey &ndash; pt II</strong><br />Oh My God Steve's corrupted posts are replicating faster than Tribbles! <br />Before we know it the internet will be swamped, <br />the modern world will grind to a halt, <br />as the upload implodes...<br />;-  )</p>
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						Pretty sure our debt topped NZ$100b recently, before exchange rates brought it back a few bills. Is your graphic in US$ ?
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						<p>Our national debt, if piled up in $1 bills would reach a height of 7,117 km.<br />But by the time Winston wins it will be really really tall. As tall as a John Key story.</p>
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						You seem to underestimate National's desperation. They are hoping the scare will drop the dollar enough to make the farmgate price go up just enough to keep the wolf from the door. It matters little that this will increase our national debt to 70 billion because debt is good, right?.…
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						<p><q>No matter how much this may hurt the already struggling dairy farmers, National is prepared to do anything to win in Northland.</q></p><p>The scale of this 1080 scare seems an unlikely fit though &ndash; could cause real harm to the income of their voters and our reputation with those all-important…</p>
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						Hi Steve. I can’t speak for them, but I believe they still agreed with National policy, or whatever it is they perceive National policy as being.  The whole “all politicians are idiots and this total bastard level of undeground crap goes on everywhere all the time anyway” attitude was more…
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						<p><q> It's who they always vote for, and it's justified by declaring that everyone's at least as bad.</q></p><p>That is the bit I don't get, why bother voting? It must be a case of "They are all bad but the others are worse"<br />Up here in Northland I suspect National are…</p>
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						<p><q>In Chchch we call that passive acceptance: Martin van Beynenism</q></p><p>As a commenter on that old curtain-twitcher Van Beynen's column noted a while back, if the Dirty Politics revelations had landed in his lap instead of Hager's they'd have been swiftly passed on to the potentially embarassed, with the public…</p>
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						<p><q>“Hager was only telling us stuff that we already know obviously goes on”, etc.</q><br />In Chchch we call that passive acceptance: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/67354405/We-re-snooping-on-the-Pacific-so-what" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Martin van Beynenism</a></p>
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						<p><q>Most likely to me is still just a looney who either didn’t think about the likely reception and repurcussions</q></p><p>I don't know about that, seems to me that the intended consequences &ndash; ie to create a big scare about 1080 and get it into the headlines, see this weekend's DomPost…</p>
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						<p><q>No matter how much this may hurt the already struggling dairy farmers, National is prepared to do anything to win in Northland.</q></p><p>From my own limited experience with the dairy farming family I've married into, National still seems to have <em>lots</em> of slack with dairy farmers and many of those…</p>
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						<p>It is the timing that got me. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11416373 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> They have known about this for months,</a> longer than John Key claims to have known about Mike Sabin.<br />After the, suspected, botulism fiasco it would seem that Fonterror (sic) would have loved to keep this latest threat away from us ignorant plebs…</p>
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						<p><q>I thought both of those were obvious?</q></p><p>Not enough, hence the Nats using that public ignorance to smear environmentalists instead of their own voters.</p>
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						<p><q> I don’t see how calling the Priminister names, is going to help. Its just childish behavior.</q><br />He started it!<br />;- )</p>
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						<p><q>it might even be a paid member of the right wing PR team</q></p><p>Hi Moz.  If you mean of a Dirty Politics style thing, it’d have to be an incredibly stupid PR team to put New Zealand’s entire dairy export economy at risk as a side effect of scoring political…</p>
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						<p><q>"Environmentalists are the strongest advocates for 1080. It will be a rabid red-neck hunter that has done it"[made the threat, etc].</q></p><p>I thought both of those were obvious? It is to me, anyway. Following on from the NFA "bomb on the chopper" debacle, it might even be a paid member…</p>
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						Rich: thank you for the toxin/toxic substance correction. I honestly had no idea of the distinction, but it’s lodged in my subconscious spellcheck now.
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						Hi Lilith: In that passage, I meant that there are certain issues that excite intense conviction, sharply polarised alignment and strident views. These issues are often debated heedless of, or to the conscious rejection of, any conflicting evidence, much as they would be in conservative religion. Psychologists, incidentally, recognise this…
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						not so keen on tap-water you can set fire to in some of the clips of fracked towns in the US.
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						<q>Hell, at moments of diminishing lucidity I think it wouldn’t have been hard for some rabid National supporter to do this, to cement Key’s place as a hardliner – I mean making a threat is easy, especially if you aren’t going to carry it out, but just want to generate…</q>
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						<q>At the other, far-right, end of the lobby lurks a paramilitary element that has routinely resorted to “eco-terrorism” to try to force conservation and policy backdowns to protect “their resource”. In 2004, memos orbited the fraternity urging hunters to release stoats onto Stewart Island in reprisal for 1080 pest control…</q>
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						<p><strong>Hunters and collectors...</strong><br /><q> The fact that this person has threatened public health when presumably they oppose 1080 on the same grounds is confusing, and hints that it is not the considered action of anybody in good mental health.</q><br />That's what gets me too, I can't see people who want to…</p>
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						Well at least in spinning these morons as Eco- terrorists the Government are unlikely to be seen to be 'backing down to terrorist threats', so the use of 10 80 for ecological purposes can continue for the time being. Assuming that there is a functioning Department of Conservation to manage…
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>You'd think the attempt to link "terrorism" and "Greens" was so clumsy it would be met with derision. But no, not when there are journalists all too willing to play along.</p><p>Here's <a href="https://twitter.com/kiwidaveg/status/575146618397196289" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">TV 3 reporter Dave Goosselink</a>, whose hashtag and Twitter profile proclaim him to be "greenfree". He's a Judith…</p>
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						A good friend of mine is highish-up at one of the eight regional DOC officers and is a long-term DOC staffer. I can't name him for obvious reasons, but as he said in a text to me a few days' ago: "Environmentalists are the strongest advocates for 1080. It will…
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						<p><q> (like fracking-induced earthquakes) likely to be imaginary.</q></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Humans cause (mostly very small) earthquakes all the time</a> . I don’t think this is controversial. The linking of x quake with human activity is obviously subject to debate, but not the principle.</p>
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						<p>Also, I should make my usual and unheard plea for correct usage of words: a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">toxin</a> is <em>a poisonous substance produced within living cells or organisms</em>.</p><p>It is not a general synonym for "toxic substance", into which category 1080 (apart from that produced in plants as a defence mechanism) falls.…</p>
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						<p>Well it does, but the important, unavoidable pollution is because it allows more oil and gas to be extracted, producing more CO2 and causing climate change. Localised pollution is largely avoidable or (like fracking-induced earthquakes) likely to be imaginary.</p><p>However, people are a bit thick, so it’s easier to scare…</p>
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						My thoughts exactly when I heard about this on the radio.
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						<p>Great story, thanks.</p><p>Just one thing, what did you mean here?<br /><q>We all understand that toxins – like fracking, like alien activity, like contrails, like bar codes – can and do attract a certain type of personality –</q></p><p>Don't we all agree that fracking causes horrible pollution?</p>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						Great piece, Dave! It's a depressing outcome of the Dirty Politics revelations that I instantly found myself wondering about the timing of the public announcement of these threats. A very convenient distraction from Hager's most recent investigations.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Good summary.</p><p>The trouble is, self-entitled rednecks are one species of introduced mammal that's protected in NZ, at least by a lot of the cops who are meant to keep them under control. It's questionable how effectively they'll pursue any leads they come across.</p><p>(See also the Atiamuri stop-go man…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Angela, the fact that other than bats there are no other indigenous mammals makes it a good way of hitting introduced mammals <br />It is used in Australia and  in the US it may only be used in chemical collars on domestic herbivores, to kill coyotes.</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						Other countries have native mammals they don't want to kill, surely.
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Great post Dave, you've covered it thoroughly and I find I agree totally. The only question I have is why has 1080 been so widely banned overseas, when it suits our needs here so well? Is it down to the desire to sell more expensive, newer pesticides?
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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